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Pakistan and India confirm ceasefire ‘with immediate effect’

psyoptica said:
And what kind of flex is striking civilians across the border using long range artillery. Even puny Hamas can do that to israel. Flex when you’re actually able to fight within the Pakistani territory
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What makes you think that these were civilian sites? Don't tell me you believe sources from the Pakistani Government.

Look up the history of India-Pakistan warfare. India had marched into Lahore and partitioned Bangladesh, just for starters.

By all indicators, this was a "strategic" strike based on specific intel about terrorist bases in Pakistan. If India wanted to attack civilian sites, the attacks would have happened elsewhere.
 
Rajdeep said:
So those videos from Amritsar were SAM being fired from India to intercept Pak jets trying to cross LOC. If the news of 2 jets been shot down is true, then its massive.

However, nothing on Indian mainstream media yet. All of these are gathered from social media. So take this news with pinch of salt and wait for official confirmation.

The only thing I will say though, Amritsar is 40 km from Lahore. Any misadventure there meaning Lahore will be under danger. Surely Pak cant be that stupid.
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After all these years, you still have doubts?

:asif
 
Major said:
damn.... A country that takes loans from IMF, takes an old generation plane and ends up downing India top of the slot airline....

Must be really embarrassing.
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You can keep on harping about it. Your prerogative.

The question is, what's actually worse?
 
bunda_bindaas said:
What makes you think that these were civilian sites? Don't tell me you believe sources from the Pakistani Government.

Look up the history of India-Pakistan warfare. India had marched into Lahore and partitioned Bangladesh, just for starters.

By all indicators, this was a "strategic" strike based on specific intel about terrorist bases in Pakistan. If India wanted to attack civilian sites, the attacks would have happened elsewhere.
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I expected nothing less from a hyper nationalist indian who can’t keep his emotions in check. Your media was claiming 80-90 casualties immediately after the strike. You have to be extremely dumb or an indian to believe indian media. The list of people who became victims of the attacks are all civilians.

Partition of Bangladesh was inevitable and Pakistan’s own doing and india stepped in to make the transition easier. India doesn’t have the cajones to fight a conventional war with any country let alone Pakistan.
 
Amritsar and other punjab and haryana dont need to worry about it. Sikhs are brothers of ours
 
psyoptica said:
I expected nothing less from a hyper nationalist indian who can’t keep his emotions in check. Your media was claiming 80-90 casualties immediately after the strike. You have to be extremely dumb or an indian to believe indian media. The list of people who became victims of the attacks are all civilians.

Partition of Bangladesh was inevitable and Pakistan’s own doing and india stepped in to make the transition easier. India doesn’t have the cajones to fight a conventional war with any country let alone Pakistan.
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Apparently he and is ilk left due to the so called hate against indians, yet the sewer rats are still scurrying around.

They are masters at the propaganda machine.
 
guard said:
Apparently he and is ilk left due to the so called hate against indians, yet the sewer rats are still scurrying around.

They are masters at the propaganda machine.
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The chest thumping from these pajeets living in foreign lands cheering for bhaarat is hilarious. They forget what their auqaat is outside of their homeland
 
psyoptica said:
I expected nothing less from a hyper nationalist indian who can’t keep his emotions in check. Your media was claiming 80-90 casualties immediately after the strike. You have to be extremely dumb or an indian to believe indian media. The list of people who became victims of the attacks are all civilians.

Partition of Bangladesh was inevitable and Pakistan’s own doing and india stepped in to make the transition easier. India doesn’t have the cajones to fight a conventional war with any country let alone Pakistan.
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I'm a hyper nationalist Indian and you are a sober, phlegmatic Pakistani! Yeah, that's not even remotely funny, given your utterances against Indians in this very thread.

I did NOT quote any media or national outlets from India. You can go back and check the entire thread.

If you believe the victims of the attacks are all "civilians" I've got a bridge to sell to you.

Whether you like it or not, India is going to become the third biggest economy in the world, and it's going to act like one too -- especially when it comes to tackling cross-border terrorism.

The events that happened yesterday provide enough proof of that theory.
 
bunda_bindaas said:
I'm a hyper nationalist Indian and you are a sober, phlegmatic Pakistani! Yeah, that's not even remotely funny, given your utterances against Indians in this very thread.

I did NOT quote any media or national outlets from India. You can go back and check the entire thread.

If you believe the victims of the attacks are all "civilians" I've got a bridge to sell to you.

Whether you like it or not, India is going to become the third biggest economy in the world, and it's going to act like one too -- especially when it comes to tackling cross-border terrorism.

The events that happened yesterday provide enough proof of that theory.
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Dude i’m not a pakistani living in Pakistan who learned about indians through social media. I’m aware of the realities of india and you becoming the 3rd largest economy or whatever doesn’t mean anything. Fact of the matter is that the bulk of the indians don’t want to be in india and want to leave at any cost. The living conditions of indians outside of india is worse than the bangladeshi immigrants living in india yet tbey never wanna go back.
 
bunda_bindaas said:
I mean, they are only the CEOs of Microsoft, Google, Adobe etc. Nothing too major in terms of aukaat...
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Oh my God. You just have revealed something about you by giving that argument. I thought you were smarter than that but now i know what type of indian i’m dealing with here.
 
psyoptica said:
Dude i’m not a pakistani living in Pakistan who learned about indians through social media. I’m aware of the realities of india and you becoming the 3rd largest economy or whatever doesn’t mean anything. Fact of the matter is that the bulk of the indians don’t want to be in india and want to leave at any cost. The living conditions of indians outside of india is worse than the bangladeshi immigrants living in india yet tbey never wanna go back.
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Just out of curiosity, which place outside of India are you talking about?
 
Major said:
News coming in....

India shot its own IAF jet in Amritsar!!!!

This is just hilarious :yk
IAF is a meme itself
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Didn’t they do a similar stunt in 2019 aswell? Took down their own heli as far as I remember.

They are getting trolled mercilessly on Reddit by neutrals :yk
 
Indians got their butts kicked on day 1.

Well done, Pakistan. :inti

Indians should stick to nitpicking about Mughals and cows. Wars are not for them. :yk
 
Amritsar campaign wasn’t successful. Bharat was ready and unlike your Chinese maal, our defense systems actually work 💪🏻

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psyoptica said:
Oh my God. You just have revealed something about you by giving that argument. I thought you were smarter than that but now i know what type of indian i’m dealing with here.
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Given what you have written about Indians on this thread (bigotry of the highest kind) and given how I've responded to everything you've said, in good faith, the scales are not remotely tilted in your favor.
 
Few thoughts:

1) For years both countries were content to contain the theatre and spectrum of conflict to performative shelling along the LOC producing limited casualties. Some press releases and the choreographed WWEesque drama would end before you knew it began. Direct aerial warfare was unthinkable. Modi's actions in 2019 and this week means all bets are off.

It's easy to talk a big game but are the people who were screaming for war now prepared to accept mass casualty air strikes and/or indiscriminate shelling as part of a standard cycle of response and counter response after every terrorist incident or border skirmish with all the risks of miscalculation ? If so, do you think that'll make de-escalating future confrontations easier ?

2) Any self-respecting nation would've responded to India's airstrikes. I'm amazed some Indians are surprised that Pakistan simply didn't take the killings of dozens of its citizens lying down. Pakistan is polarised politically but like any nation rallies amidst an external threat. The state wouldn't have been spared had it failed to give an appropriate response.

3) Many Indians wrongly assume Pakistanis are completely aligned with the goals and strategies of its military establishment. False. While Pakistanis express rhetorical support for Kashmiri freedom (however you wish to define that), most are exhausted by Pakistani soil being used as a playing field for its generals and the various shadow armies they sponsor. There's little love for Hafiz Saeed or people of his ilk who've butchered countless Pakistanis. Most support peace with India - and there'd be fewer domestic political constraints to engaging with India than there would be in an increasingly radicalised India if a government wished to engage with Pakistan.

4) Modi is scarcely different to likes of Trump and Netanyahu who make unsubstantiated declarations of victory or impulsive, grandiose announcements with little planning or foresight. One example is demonetisation which was sprung on the nation with no consultation with advisors or Cabinet. Another is COVID. For years Modi's administrative acumen was touted by his fans yet horribly mishandled India's biggest crisis outside wartime causing untold deaths.

Balakot is another example where GOI bragging about dismantling terrorist infrastructure had no basis in reality. Soon after he claimed had India possessed Rafale jets the outcome would've different (implicitly admitting IAF's performance was underwhelming). I'm no military expert and will defer to @the Great Khan on this but what I've read recently - air warfare is far more complex than some COD-esque notion of an epic aircraft vs aircraft battle and depends on tactics, ground intelligence, geography etc not just technology.

Currently it's impossible amidst the fog of war and the avalanche of rubbish on social media to make a proper assessment, but there won't be any winners from this. The sooner both government find an off-ramp the better.
 
Markhor said:
Few thoughts:

1) For years both countries were content to contain the theatre and spectrum of conflict to performative shelling along the LOC producing limited casualties. Some press releases and the choreographed WWEesque drama would end before you knew it began. Direct aerial warfare was unthinkable. Modi's actions in 2019 and this week means all bets are off.

It's easy to talk a big game but are the people who were screaming for war now prepared to accept mass casualty air strikes and/or indiscriminate shelling as part of a standard cycle of response and counter response after every terrorist incident or border skirmish with all the risks of miscalculation ? If so, do you think that'll make de-escalating future confrontations easier ?

2) Any self-respecting nation would've responded to India's airstrikes. I'm amazed some Indians are surprised that Pakistan simply didn't take the killings of dozens of its citizens lying down. Pakistan is polarised politically but like any nation rallies amidst an external threat. The state wouldn't have been spared had it failed to give an appropriate response.

3) Many Indians wrongly assume Pakistanis are completely aligned with the goals and strategies of its military establishment. False. While Pakistanis express rhetorical support for Kashmiri freedom (however you wish to define that), most are exhausted by Pakistani soil being used as a playing field for its generals and the various shadow armies they sponsor. There's little love for Hafiz Saeed or people of his ilk who've butchered countless Pakistanis. Most support peace with India - and there'd be fewer domestic political constraints to engaging with India than there would be in an increasingly radicalised India if a government wished to engage with Pakistan.

4) Modi is scarcely different to likes of Trump and Netanyahu who make unsubstantiated declarations of victory or impulsive, grandiose announcements with little planning or foresight. One example is demonetisation which was sprung on the nation with no consultation with advisors or Cabinet. Another is COVID. For years Modi's administrative acumen was touted by his fans yet horribly mishandled India's biggest crisis outside wartime causing untold deaths.

Balakot is another example where GOI bragging about dismantling terrorist infrastructure had no basis in reality. Soon after he claimed had India possessed Rafale jets the outcome would've different (implicitly admitting IAF's performance was underwhelming). I'm no military expert and will defer to @the Great Khan on this but what I've read recently - air warfare is far more complex than some COD-esque notion of an epic aircraft vs aircraft battle and depends on tactics, ground intelligence, geography etc not just technology.

Currently it's impossible amidst the fog of war and the avalanche of rubbish on social media to make a proper assessment, but there won't be any winners from this. The sooner both government find an off-ramp the better.
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This is a well thought out post, and I have no disagreements as an Indian. Kudos!
 
Bhaijaan said:
Amritsar campaign wasn’t successful. Bharat was ready and unlike your Chinese maal, our defense systems actually work 💪🏻

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Ya that's why your jets went down like flies, that's why Hindutva terrorists walk in casually kill a dozen Indians and walk away easily in the most militarized section of IOK, you have a joke of a defense and army. Combat is not your forte, learn to fly jets first then perhaps you can think about a war
 
bunda_bindaas said:
Given what you have written about Indians on this thread (bigotry of the highest kind) and given how I've responded to everything you've said, in good faith, the scales are not remotely tilted in your favor.
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You are here defending the foolhardy actions of the GOI who essentially declared a war on Pakistan by carrying out those attacks just to satisfy the ego of war mongering hindus. No sensible country would do that. This will most likely fizzle down in a few days but the fact that indians here entertaining the idea of war and indian state flirting with the idea shows what kind of morons live in your country. There’s inly a handful of indians here who understand the consequence of war and not happy with the situation at hand. Only a handful of indians have condemned civilians deaths and most have justified it as collateral.

Do some reflection on why you and your countrymen have this lust for blood.
 
It is quite refreshing to see the West question the Hindutva narrative here by demanding evidence. Last time Modi's government refused, 5 eyes presented the counter evidence proving India was lying (India state sanctioned murder on Canadian soil).

Every move you see from Modi's government is straight out of the Zionist hand book.

PS: Anyone have the count on cult casualties? They've been awfully quiet of late!
 
Technics 1210 said:
It is quite refreshing to see the West question the Hindutva narrative here by demanding evidence. Last time Modi's government refused, 5 eyes presented the counter evidence proving India was lying (India state sanctioned murder on Canadian soil).

Every move you see from Modi's government is straight out of the Zionist hand book.

PS: Anyone have the count on cult casualties? They've been awfully quiet of late!
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Media blackout must be spreading outside of IOK and Amritsar :), those cowards turn networks off the moment they see a Pakistani jet and missiles.

Is IOK network back on yet or they still trying to put together their downed jets and patching up their army militant camps?
 
psyoptica said:
You are here defending the foolhardy actions of the GOI who essentially declared a war on Pakistan by carrying out those attacks just to satisfy the ego of war mongering hindus. No sensible country would do that. This will most likely fizzle down in a few days but the fact that indians here entertaining the idea of war and indian state flirting with the idea shows what kind of morons live in your country. There’s inly a handful of indians here who understand the consequence of war and not happy with the situation at hand. Only a handful of indians have condemned civilians deaths and most have justified it as collateral.

Do some reflection on why you and your countrymen have this lust for blood.
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You are completely wrong about war mongering coming only from Hindus. It's coming from everyone, not just Hindus. This includes Muslims, Sikhs, Christians, Buddhists etc.

You are right that it can be interpreted as an act of war. This is not what India wants -- the biggest concern for India (and Indians) has always been its economy, and if the war drags on, it's the economy that suffers.

But you have to understand the number of times these incidents have happened. Yesterday's actions are about drawing a line in the sand. It's a message to terrorist groups, stationed in Pakistan, that India won't take it lying down anymore. Even at the cost of its economy.

It's not exactly existential, but it's close. Very close. This is the Indian perspective.

And yes, any war will result in the death of innocent people. That's a given, and there's nothing to brag about it at all.
 
Finisher said:
Majority of the British pakistani groomers in England are actually from Azad Kashmir, from places like Dadyal, Mirpur and Kotli.
Are u admitting Kashmir belongs to Pakistan?

Second point is we seen the newly arrived BJP students in Leicester, they thought they'd have the same Hindutva effect here. They've been quiet since getting a good beating there by Birmingham Pakistanis
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Pak can keep their Kashmir.
 
Rana said:
What about Poonch though? Can we have that too?
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Naah.

That is just cope on your part.

That is cross border shelling. Pak must have incurred many losses too but then again your media is prolly not even allowed.
 
Major said:
damn.... A country that takes loans from IMF, takes an old generation plane and ends up downing India top of the slot airline....

Must be really embarrassing.
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Mungerilal ke haseen sapney…. Nobody in the world buying your story
 
Pakistanis making their own happiness.

This @natsecjeff was really adamant that India would do some symbolic strikes on empty buildings. The ferocity of the attacks has screwed his brain and making him cope.

India has absolutely no intention of "conquering" Pakistan or "hitting" Pakistan.

Unless Pakistanis retaliate militarily, India won't engage beyond the usual LOC skirmishes.

Pak prolly has de-escalated for now selling the 5-6-10 Rafales story to their public.
 
saimayubera said:
Pakistanis making their own happiness.

This @natsecjeff was really adamant that India would do some symbolic strikes on empty buildings. The ferocity of the attacks has screwed his brain and making him cope.

India has absolutely no intention of "conquering" Pakistan or "hitting" Pakistan.

Unless Pakistanis retaliate militarily, India won't engage beyond the usual LOC skirmishes.

Pak prolly has de-escalated for now selling the 5-6-10 Rafales story to their public.
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Wishing things out of existence won't happen, especially when there's articles like this.

 
ahsan17 said:
Wishing things out of existence won't happen, especially when there's articles like this.

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Yeah and have you read the article?

No mention if those jets were Indian or Pakistani or if they were even Rafales by some "local government sources" and the image of a fuel tank.

There is ZERO verifiable proof of any jets downed by Pak. Neither Pak has provided any proof nor has India or France officially made a statement.

Even your own minister Khwaja Asif couldn't give any proof and replied with "It's on social media lol"

https://twitter.com/x/status/1920204524142137357
 
saimayubera said:
Yeah and have you read the article?

No mention if those jets were Indian or Pakistani or if they were even Rafales by some "local government sources" and the image of a fuel tank.

There is ZERO verifiable proof of any jets downed by Pak. Neither Pak has provided any proof nor has India or France officially made a statement.

Even your own minister Khwaja Asif couldn't give any proof and replied with "It's on social media lol"

https://twitter.com/x/status/1920204524142137357
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Not even Modi that hard, he is sipping tea somewhere.
 
saimayubera said:
Yeah and have you read the article?

No mention if those jets were Indian or Pakistani or if they were even Rafales by some "local government sources" and the image of a fuel tank.

There is ZERO verifiable proof of any jets downed by Pak. Neither Pak has provided any proof nor has India or France officially made a statement.

Even your own minister Khwaja Asif couldn't give any proof and replied with "It's on social media lol"

https://twitter.com/x/status/1920204524142137357
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It’s nothing but false news of downing Indian planes. It was spread by pak government for its ppls, otherwise today there would have been civil unrest in Pakistan
 
globetrotter said:
Mungerilal ke haseen sapney…. Nobody in the world buying your story
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The Hindu posted 3 Rafael destruction, funny it was taken down but it was up for a while for many to read. Reuter posted as well. India has once again proved they have a joke of an airforce and have made a mockery out of Rafaels and out of India again. It really is down to tacticalities and courage which India commanders seems to be always lacking. Be it Rafael or Mig or magic carpet, your airforce is ridiculous at using the gadgets
 
Kriketer said:
The Hindu posted 3 Rafael destruction, funny it was taken down but it was up for a while for many to read. Reuter posted as well. India has once again proved they have a joke of an airforce and have made a mockery out of Rafaels and out of India again. It really is down to tacticalities and courage which India commanders seems to be always lacking. Be it Rafael or Mig or magic carpet, your airforce is ridiculous at using the gadgets
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They didn't post anything about "Rafale". They said 3 fighter jets which could have been Pakistani as well but retracted cause they were fuel tanks.

Pak has ZERO credible evidence of any Indian fighters downed.
 
saimayubera said:
Yeah and have you read the article?

No mention if those jets were Indian or Pakistani or if they were even Rafales by some "local government sources" and the image of a fuel tank.

There is ZERO verifiable proof of any jets downed by Pak. Neither Pak has provided any proof nor has India or France officially made a statement.

Even your own minister Khwaja Asif couldn't give any proof and replied with "It's on social media lol"

https://twitter.com/x/status/1920204524142137357
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Lmao, are you seriously telling me if they were Pakistani jets then Indian government wouldn't be placating it all over media? What an idiotic statement.

And it doesn't matter if it's Rafale or not.

The verifiable proof is the article and what it states. It may not be enough for you, since you want to hear it from Modi's mouth, but it has enough information to show at least 3 were shot down in Kashmir, and possibly 2 more elsewhere.
 
saimayubera said:
They didn't post anything about "Rafale". They said 3 fighter jets which could have been Pakistani as well but retracted cause they were fuel tanks.

Pak has ZERO credible evidence of any Indian fighters downed.
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Like I said, wishing it out of existence won't happen. French officials and Reuters both are claiming downed jets. The fact you want to ignore them because they don't fit your narrative is not something others have to entertain.
 
saimayubera said:
They didn't post anything about "Rafale". They said 3 fighter jets which could have been Pakistani as well but retracted cause they were fuel tanks.

Pak has ZERO credible evidence of any Indian fighters downed.
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The Hindu posted 3 Indian jets...."Indian" was specifically mentioned. Pakistan initially claimed downing 3 Indian choozays which an Indian source confirmed by stating "3 Indian jets destroyed" so it was confirmed from both sides. Even Rafaels turned into choozays when Indians fly it, no surprises, you all for years kept saying that if Abhinandan had a rapid jet instead of Mig, events would have been different.... Well thanks for proving events would have stayed the same regardless what you cowards fly :)
 
Kriketer said:
The Hindu posted 3 Indian jets...."Indian" was specifically mentioned. Pakistan initially claimed downing 3 Indian choozays which an Indian source confirmed by stating "3 Indian jets destroyed" so it was confirmed from both sides. Even Rafaels turned into choozays when Indians fly it, no surprises, you all for years kept saying that if Abhinandan had a rapid jet instead of Mig, events would have been different.... Well thanks for proving events would have stayed the same regardless what you cowards fly :)
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That was a mistake which they recalled.

Reuters had said "3 jets"

In all probability they are Pakistani jets which are being hidden for Pakistan to have an off-ramp and de-escalate as their awaam has been placated with the "20 Rafales down" thing.
 
saimayubera said:
That was a mistake which they recalled.

Reuters had said "3 jets"

In all probability they are Pakistani jets which are being hidden for Pakistan to have an off-ramp and de-escalate as their awaam has been placated with the "20 Rafales down" thing.
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LMAO, now you are really on something. Get some medicine brother.
 
saimayubera said:
How Pakistanis sound

https://twitter.com/x/status/1920118756086268097
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Not at all, no matter what Pakistan shouldn't bomb mainland until unless there are Indian militant army camps. Those should be the only target, which they have done so in IOK. Coward India is in bed with their Saar Ijjraeli Terrorists and have acted exactly the same vicious way by killing women and a child. Pakistan could send a few missiles and kill scores in your overpopulated mess of a country, you are cramped over each other in all your travel videos so hopefully Pakistan don't aim for such places
 
ahsan17 said:
Like I said, wishing it out of existence won't happen. French officials and Reuters both are claiming downed jets. The fact you want to ignore them because they don't fit your narrative is not something others have to entertain.
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Neither has.

They are all "unnamed French official", "unnamed officials say".

There is ZERO confirmation that there are Indian jets or that they are Rafales.

But Pakistanis need something to cope on I guess after getting bombed in the heartland like some third world backwater by a super power lol.

USA-Iraq vibes.
 
Hitman said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1920155413963551111

https://twitter.com/x/status/1920142337407156274

https://twitter.com/x/status/1920093169904947570
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What a tragic mess engineered by a man who rose to power not through vision, but through venom, selling hatred and illusions of grandeur to a population desperate for direction.

Now the same man, having failed on every front, seeks to weaponize water, as if regional peace can be bullied into submission.

And instead of holding him accountable, a nation of over a billion falls back on nostalgia, 90k POWs, IMF jabs, and hollow claims of wealth, anything to distract from the reality that they were sold lies and bought them willingly.
 
Kriketer said:
Not at all, no matter what Pakistan shouldn't bomb mainland until unless there are Indian militant army camps. Those should be the only target, which they have done so in IOK. Coward India is in bed with their Saar Ijjraeli Terrorists and have acted exactly the same vicious way by killing women and a child. Pakistan could send a few missiles and kill scores in your overpopulated mess of a country, you are cramped over each other in all your travel videos so hopefully Pakistan don't aim for such places
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https://twitter.com/x/status/1920125270721261667
 
saimayubera said:
That was a mistake which they recalled.

Reuters had said "3 jets"

In all probability they are Pakistani jets which are being hidden for Pakistan to have an off-ramp and de-escalate as their awaam has been placated with the "20 Rafales down" thing.
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So first you said they didn't post anything about indian jets and only mentioned 3 jets, and now you are saying they made a mistake when I reminded you they specifically mentioned "3 Indian jets decimated"..... Make up your mind as you are contradicting yourself which is completely understandable when faced with humiliating facts. I know you are crying inside as you made this blunder but it's all good, we get it that you Indians are used to seeing Indian airforce humiliations so just another one to make bollywood movies on for many years to come
 
saimayubera said:
Neither has.

They are all "unnamed French official", "unnamed officials say".

There is ZERO confirmation that there are Indian jets or that they are Rafales.

But Pakistanis need something to cope on I guess after getting bombed in the heartland like some third world backwater by a super power lol.

USA-Iraq vibes.
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That's called journalism, in case you aren't aware. A lot of cases are built on unnamed officials.

And you are seriously still going on about how they might be Pakistani planes? Use some common sense. It's not some advanced Jiu Jitsu. If they were Pakistani then Indian media and government would be placating it all over.
 
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