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bunda_bindaas said:
Genius, what does 'Citizen' inside OCI stand for?

You have essentially all the rights granted to an OCI card holder as an Indian. One can't buy agricultural land, which is fine. Can't hold a Government position, which makes sense as it's a conflict of interest.

And people choose to 'surrender' their passports for other legal reasons, in case they are not happy with the restrictions applied to a Green Card or an ILR in the UK.

It's a giant stretch to assume people who surrender their passport have given up on their motherland.

Moreover, there are talks going on to INCREASE the rights given to OCIs, so there's that.
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Indians after surrendering their nationality do not have the right to vote. Period. This doesn't seem to matter to Indians who happily get rid of their national identity.

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The European Union (EU) and its 27 Member States unequivocally condemn the heinous terrorist attack in Pahalgam, Jammu and Kashmir on 22 April and the murder of innocent civilians. Terrorism can never be justified.
Those responsible for the attack must be brought to justice. Every state has the duty and the right lawfully to protect its citizens from acts of terror

:kp.
 
IAJ said:
Rally don't understand the arrogance of the indian posters here. You haven't achieved anything so far. You have attacked civilians, mosques and sent in drones to civilian areas and in all this lost 5 jets. Honestly trying to understand where you guys are coming from. Pakistan haven't even taken any offensive measuers so far. What will you do when Pakistan attacks you and there is no dobut that attack will come..
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What so-called civilians were doing at terrorists HQs that too in the night?
 
IAJ said:
Rally don't understand the arrogance of the indian posters here. You haven't achieved anything so far. You have attacked civilians, mosques and sent in drones to civilian areas and in all this lost 5 jets. Honestly trying to understand where you guys are coming from. Pakistan haven't even taken any offensive measuers so far. What will you do when Pakistan attacks you and there is no dobut that attack will come..
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In the meanwhile they have tried to make contact with Pakistan defence Ministers to call things to a halt lol :ROFLMAO:

Nahi bhai, Ab Aaik dafa tou baja ke hi damm lenghe!
 
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Military operation in Pakistan reveals weaknesses of India's air force​


New Delhi has begun to acknowledge the loss of several fighter jets during 'Operation Sindoor.' Military experts suggest that at least one Rafale may be among the destroyed aircraft. This would mark the first loss in combat for the French aircraft.

By Sophie Landrin (New Delhi, India, correspondent) and Elise Vincent

Published today at 10:53 am (Paris)



In the streets of the Indian town of Guwahati on May 8, 2025, the day after the Indian army attacked Pakistan.


After "Operation Sindoor," conducted by India on the night of May 6 to 7 in Pakistan, as a retaliation for an attack in Pahalgam, in the Indian Kashmir region on April 22, the show of force intended by New Delhi is widely viewed by many military experts as a significant underperformance. Despite the bombing of nearly a dozen sites in Pakistan, with significant damage observed, India was forced to acknowledge the loss of at least three fighter jets during this operation. These major losses reveal the weaknesses of the Indian Air Force.


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Military operation in Pakistan reveals weaknesses of India's air force

New Delhi has begun to acknowledge the loss of several fighter jets during 'Operation Sindoor.' Military experts suggest that at least one Rafale may be among the destroyed aircraft. This would mark the first loss in combat for the French aircraft.
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bunda_bindaas said:
Genius, what does 'Citizen' inside OCI stand for?

You have essentially all the rights granted to an OCI card holder as an Indian. One can't buy agricultural land, which is fine. Can't hold a Government position, which makes sense as it's a conflict of interest.

And people choose to 'surrender' their passports for other legal reasons, in case they are not happy with the restrictions applied to a Green Card or an ILR in the UK.

It's a giant stretch to assume people who surrender their passport have given up on their motherland.

Moreover, there are talks going on to INCREASE the rights given to OCIs, so there's that.
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It's a giant stretch to assume people who surrender their passport have given up on their motherland.

We are generalising, not claiming that its universal and 1 to 1, obviously every human is different but generally people surrender their passports only if

A) The country doesnt allow dual citizenship and they have ti make a choice in which couhtry to settle in.

B) Their 100% done with their country.

Now about the Green Card and ILR thing, why do you think they wish to transition from Green card to USA citizenship or ILR towards UK citizenship? And not just call it quits for UK and USA and return to India?

Lastly we are talking about Legality, Legally you are no longer a citizen of a country if you do not have a passport. Theirs no point in playing semantics with the word citizen in OCI.

Aus takes it a step further by outright claiming that their citizens are PR holders of NZ. Unlike OCI, Australia quite literally turns you into a NZ pr holder yet you're not actually a citizen.

If you don't have full rights to a country then you're a citizen in which case oci has restrictions even if said restrictions are minor.
 
psyoptica said:
Indians after surrendering their nationality do not have the right to vote. Period. This doesn't seem to matter to Indians who happily get rid of their national identity.

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I mean, will OCIs travel specially to India to vote in an election? Does that even make sense for a family that's settled abroad?

Have you voted in any Pakistani election?
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
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Bal Thackeray was a vile man, but he never set foot in another country, nor did he send suicide bombers. Whatever he was he did it openly on his own turf. All the covert stuff was from the LeT, JMM playbook.

Also BVB, you just proved to everyone here that you are no Indian, but a Pakistani masquerading as one.
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bunda_bindaas said:
I mean, will OCIs travel specially to India to vote in an election? Does that even make sense for a family that's settled abroad?

Have you voted in any Pakistani election?
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Bhai the screenshot outright claims that OCI are not citizens in India. It's stated right their. Idk what other sort of proof do you even require?

No point in arguing with a flat farther who cannot fathom the idea of the earth being round.
 
So some of them chest thumping here have actually surrendered their birth country for some neela peela card. In the words of JR Jim Ross, "The irony, Abhorrent ....."
 
Devadwal said:
The European Union (EU) and its 27 Member States unequivocally condemn the heinous terrorist attack in Pahalgam, Jammu and Kashmir on 22 April and the murder of innocent civilians. Terrorism can never be justified.
Those responsible for the attack must be brought to justice. Every state has the duty and the right lawfully to protect its citizens from acts of terror

:kp.
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Where is Pakistan mentioned here? Jawab day munafiq, bhaag na jai.
 
How could they even entered here? This is a huge failure of indian system.
Jammu city is under attack
 
globetrotter said:
What so-called civilians were doing at terrorists HQs that too in the night?
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Kashmir attackers asked the same question in Pahalgam. They asked the same things so called Hindus civilians were doing tourism in occupied Kashmir before shooting them.

Civilian is a civilian no matter where they are, you can't rationalise their deaths in the way you are attempting to do.
 
@Mockingbird Oh really? So just because I am not dancing over the corpses of Pakistani civilians, that makes me a Pakistani in your eyes? How will I ever survive your judgment?

Listen, JokingBird, I am not like you and that @Devadwal guy. I don't celebrate the deaths of enemies or try to score points over the loss of Indian lives. And if you still doubt my nationality, feel free to contact the mods. People like you always fall back on the 'nationality' card when they run out of arguments.By the way, can you prove you are Indian? :inti
 
ahsan17 said:
First Reuters, then NYT, now BBC. And BBC has done its own independent verification.

But the shameless Indians will still say Modi needs to certify this.

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Indians operate on a simple mantra of we are right and you are wrong that's why.

Argue 2 + 2 = 4 with an Indian who will claim 2 + 2 = 3. They'll still find a way to endlessly justify 2 + 2 = 3 by claiming that Modi needs to certify it.
 
mominsaigol said:
It's a giant stretch to assume people who surrender their passport have given up on their motherland.

We are generalising, not claiming that its universal and 1 to 1, obviously every human is different but generally people surrender their passports only if

A) The country doesnt allow dual citizenship and they have ti make a choice in which couhtry to settle in.

B) Their 100% done with their country.

Now about the Green Card and ILR thing, why do you think they wish to transition from Green card to USA citizenship or ILR towards UK citizenship? And not just call it quits for UK and USA and return to India?

Lastly we are talking about Legality, Legally you are no longer a citizen of a country if you do not have a passport. Theirs no point in playing semantics with the word citizen in OCI.

Aus takes it a step further by outright claiming that their citizens are PR holders of NZ. Unlike OCI, Australia quite literally turns you into a NZ pr holder yet you're not actually a citizen.

If you don't have full rights to a country then you're a citizen in which case oci has restrictions even if said restrictions are minor.
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The UK ILR does not allow you to leave UK for more than 2 years. Otherwise, the ILR lapses. If one happens to work in the EU, or anywhere else in the world, they would have to come back to the UK within that 2 year period. There are similar restrictions on the US green card.

Hence, it makes sense to actually get a UK/US citizenship. Plus, there's also the 'loyalty factor' towards your new home-away-from-home.

You can still have an OCI and enjoy virtually all the rights of being an Indian citizen. It is essentially dual citizenship.

Most Indians living abroad are as patriotic as Indians living in India.

And with the salaries in the tech sector in India rising, as they are, there's actually less of an incentive to leave India in the first place. At least for the current generation.

People who left India earlier are also coming back, especially in places like Bangalore.
 
India will claim its another mock drill

They will definitely become the boy that cried Wolf and cost a lot of lives with their lies.
 
mominsaigol said:
Indians operate on a simple mantra of we are right and you are wrong that's why.

Argue 2 + 2 = 4 with an Indian who will claim 2 + 2 = 3. They'll still find a way to endlessly justify 2 + 2 = 3 by claiming that Modi needs to certify it.
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One of their common strategies is to play dumb. I have started calling it out quite effectively recently and they usually have no response.
 
Jammu Airport and in Samba 8 Pak missiles has been drowned by S 400

🇮🇳
 
Rana said:
India will claim its another mock drill

They will definitely become the boy that cried Wolf and cost a lot of lives with their lies.
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Rana bhai,
What to do now?

Shake hands?
 
IAJ said:
Yes and World knows very well who started this war.
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There can always be a going back yar.

We are still much lower in the escalatory ladder.

Why is everyone overreacting?

I just spent half an explaining the same to my overexcited family members
 
bunda_bindaas said:
The UK ILR does not allow you to leave UK for more than 2 years. Otherwise, the ILR lapses. If one happens to work in the EU, or anywhere else in the world, they would have to come back to the UK within that 2 year period. There are similar restrictions on the US green card.

Hence, it makes sense to actually get a UK/US citizenship. Plus, there's also the 'loyalty factor' towards your new home-away-from-home.

You can still have an OCI and enjoy virtually all the rights of being an Indian citizen. It is essentially dual citizenship.

Most Indians living abroad are as patriotic as Indians living in India.

And with the salaries in the tech sector in India rising, as they are, there's actually less of an incentive to leave India in the first place. At least for the current generation.

People who left India earlier are also coming back, especially in places like Bangalore.
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I'm asking why get UK citizenship at all and not just quit and work in India? Why showcase loyalty at all?

As I said every Human being is different and I'm sure their are Indians who are loyal to their country and would never leave + Indians who would wish to return home permanently. Theirs no point in outright claiming that every Human being who's an Indian has the exact same thought process but the statistics still do not lie.

Every year more and more Indians are migrating abroad, assuming the country allows it.

Idk about USA or UK primarily because the migration process is difficult but Australia's migration process is extremely easy depending on the state.

NSW, Queensland, Tasmania(Offshore) and WA is hard, but SA, ACT and VIC state Nomination is extremely easy to acquire for offshore applicants.

For ACT if you're young, you can study a degree from a uni and just apply for the PR graduate pathway which has a 100% success rate for PR assuming you don't have a criminal record.

For SA, you just need 3 years of work experience and pass a skills assessment that you can apply online to get Nominated and for Vic, you just need to write a ROI and any online immigration lawyer will write it for and ensure you get it.

^^ Case in Point, Aus has made it easy to Migrate to Adelaide, Melbourne and Canberra and India is currently the biggest benefactor of this.

India is now the 2nd largest migration population in Australia after English and English doesn't really count since they've always lived here, their hardly any aboriginals left.

Every year the migrant population is increasing and more and more people are applying so based of pure statistics and numbers, it's doesn't seem like More and more Indians are returning home.

The numbers show their more people migrating then actually returning home.

Can't speak for UK and USA as idk much about them from a migration perspective.
 
Rajdeep said:
Breaking - 8 Pak missiles has been drowned by India.

This is full fledged war now...no turning back from here one way or another.
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Whatever happened to the guy that was saying with confidence that Pakistan has taken the off ramp?
 
mominsaigol said:
Bhai the screenshot outright claims that OCI are not citizens in India. It's stated right their. Idk what other sort of proof do you even require?

No point in arguing with a flat farther who cannot fathom the idea of the earth being round.
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The OCI (Overseas Citizenship of India) card is a document issued by the Indian government to foreign nationals of Indian origin, granting them a lifetime multiple entry visa and various other benefits for living and working in India. It essentially provides a form of permanent residency status, allowing the holder to live and work in India indefinitely.

Which part of this statement do you fail to understand?
 
IAJ said:
Yes and World knows very well who started this war.
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Pak sponsored terrorists...any country will retaliate.

US did after 9/11, UK did after 7/7, Israel did after Oct 7 and so India is doing now after 23 Apr

Gangajaal now for Pak.
 
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Bhaijaan said:
Rana bhai,
What to do now?

Shake hands?
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I’m explaining to you the faults of the Indian information agencies.

It’s better to be transparent in times of war.

Doing black outs when you know your airspace has been infiltrated and claiming it was an internal mock drill will make the public lose seriousness if it doesn’t turn out to be a mock in reality. This will cause a loss of life at a much higher proportion.
 
It's getting very very scary here. My home is around 15 kilometres from Jammu.
We could hear the explosion multiple times.
 
bunda_bindaas said:
The OCI (Overseas Citizenship of India) card is a document issued by the Indian government to foreign nationals of Indian origin, granting them a lifetime multiple entry visa and various other benefits for living and working in India. It essentially provides a form of permanent residency status, allowing the holder to live and work in India indefinitely.

Which part of this statement do you fail to understand?
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I already told you it is no different from the UAE golden Visa or Aus's Exclusive Visa to Nz, Some parts of PNG and USA.

They allow you to do the exact same thing but you are never classified as a citizen.

Permanent residency is not citizen, legally you are not a citizen of india from a constitutional stand point in the same way a golden Visa holder in uae is not a UAE citizen.
 
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