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Pakistan and India confirm ceasefire ‘with immediate effect’

Boyka said:
The damage caused by Pakistan was revealed by your own airforce in broken Hindi to avoid embarrassment before mysteriously disappearing. Meanwhile the PAF just sat and laughed at you through their conferences. Astounded by their unprofessional attitude but they must’ve been very confident of seeing the skies with Chinese satellites.


You lack critical thinking skills. You're just a bunch of brainwashed sheep.
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A pak journalist finally asked pm and establishment to show the hard proof but as usual everyone is pretending to be sleep.


https://twitter.com/x/status/1921788877989159139
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Indian MEA isn't a reliable source.
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Please tell me which is your reliable source..your Army?..your govt..? If you can deny it, your govt has the responsibility to deny it..

FYI, USA also have performed the following strikes in Pakistan.Your govt allowed it without any retaliation:

1. Drone Strikes in Tribal Areas (2004–2018)
The most well-known form of U.S. attacks in Pakistan were drone strikes conducted primarily in Pakistan’s Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA), near the Afghanistan border. These were part of the U.S. counterterrorism strategy targeting:

Al-Qaeda

Taliban factions

Haqqani Network and other militant groups

These drone strikes increased significantly under Presidents George W. Bush and Barack Obama. While they were intended to target militants, they also caused civilian casualties and were a point of major political and public controversy in Pakistan.

2. Operation Neptune Spear (2011)
This was the covert raid that killed Osama bin Laden in Abbottabad, Pakistan. While not a bombing mission, it involved U.S. Navy SEALs entering Pakistani airspace without prior approval, which was seen as a violation of sovereignty.

3. Airstrikes in the 2000s (e.g., Damadola and Chenagai Strikes)
There were a few direct airstrikes early in the drone campaign that used conventional aircraft or missiles to target militants. For example:

Damadola airstrike (2006): Targeted Al-Qaeda operatives; caused civilian deaths.

Chenagai airstrike (2006): Targeted a a madrasa; dozens were killed.

Where was your Army, your govt and so called Pakistan awams when these happened..why didnt you retaliate.

You give voice when Israel attacked Gaza..but where were you when USA attacked so many Arab countries and Afganistan and used your land with support of your govt against your own brotherhood..
 
Next time it kicks off we will sink their aircraft carrier, just putting in my 2 cent, India will be the first country to have its aircraft carrier sunk.
 
speed said:
Next time it kicks off we will sink their aircraft carrier, just putting in my 2 cent, India will be the first country to have its aircraft carrier sunk.
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Pretty sure, Karachi port and many airbases will be completely flattened before that.

We built INS Vikrant and we will build another one. No need to worry. How many loans would Pak need to build anything of this scale? Leave money, does it even have the technology to build it?

Such delusional people😂
 
ahsan17 said:
You probably need to go to first grade to learn English again. He's obviously referring to Rafale, not even referring to Su30 MKI or mirage.
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You lot have been giving random numbers from 1-6 since these clashes started. Your defence minister gives Social media as his source of information.

No thanks My English is fine .
 
It's blackout here in samba. Explosion were heard and drones were seen.

Why does this modi praise himself so much.
He is such a loser.
Just stay quiet and let us Live in peace.
 
Buzzinga said:
You lot have been giving random numbers from 1-6 since these clashes started. Your defence minister gives Social media as his source of information.

No thanks My English is fine .
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Lack of specificity doesn't negate the argument or claim. Lack of specificity comes from the fact that the planes crashed in Indian territory.
 
Theanonymousone said:
Pretty sure, Karachi port and many airbases will be completely flattened before that.

We built INS Vikrant and we will build another one. No need to worry. How many loans would Pak need to build anything of this scale? Leave money, does it even have the technology to build it?

Such delusional people😂
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we don't need it, we Don't have Aspirations to be a superpower like India, couple of hypersonic missiles will sink it.
 
ahsan17 said:
Lack of specificity doesn't negate the argument or claim. Lack of specificity comes from the fact that the planes crashed in Indian territory.
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Its not about lack of specificity. Its about vague and fake claims.

Some examples -

1. We shot down 1/2/3/4/5/6 jets. You know what debris were shown? A footage from Ukraine war.
2. We have captured an Indian female pilot. Some poster(Don't remember his name) claimed her name was Shivani Singh turned out to be another fake claim.
3. We destroyed S-400 installation.
4. Pictures of A kid with cake were shared in multiple threads as a casualty caused by Indian attack, turned out to be fake again. That kid is from India.

These are just few examples that came to my mind. There probably 100 claims like this in this thread. Sorry buddy if i have a hard time believing anything thats coming out from Pakistan and even India.

Cherry on the cake- Pakistan's victory claim. We got bombed as near as our national capital, but we won.
 
Theanonymousone said:
Navy ships are likely the least vulnerable to supersonic missiles because these missiles lack maneuverability due to high speeds of Mach 5+. Stayed away?

They are near enough to hit you Karachi port dude. Navy ships have layers of defenses on board and off board through ADSs, aircrafts, and submarines supporting it. Compared to Indian Navy strength, Pak is minuscule
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Ballistic missiles, swarm attacks, electronic interference can do it. China, Iran, Pakistan, India, Russia have these capabilities.
 
Buzzinga said:
@Romali_rotti Bhai 6 se ab 2 ho gaya 🤣
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Why did you initially engage our aircraft in the air and then send missiles from land? You were outclassed in the air. You have to accept this, the same way Pakistanis accept our airbases were damaged and hit.

Unless you have shares in the Indian military, come down from the clouds.
 
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The melodrama should stop and let both countries focus on economy and development. As Master Trump there will be no trade
 
Direct message given to Modi here.

We begged for ceasefire and you can attack whenever you want?

Here are some drones, go and look your public in the eye and say that again
 
Pakpak said:
Isn't it funny, all these countless Pakistani drones sent over and seemingly all shot down by the valiant Indian defenders yet not a single proof? Over the border countless social media videos of wrecked Indian drones but here nothing. No wreckages, nothing.
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Firstly there is a difference in public. Our guys when they here of drones rush out to take pictures whereas Indians hide in their homes. Secondly they have an iron grip on the media and don't allow images to be published.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Firstly there is a difference in public. Our guys when they here of drones rush out to take pictures whereas Indians hide in their homes. Secondly they have an iron grip on the media and don't allow images to be published.
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This says a lot about India.

No Indian here or elsewhere has been able to provide a non Indian source to support their claims, just echoing state approved talking points.

And no, Indian sources don’t count when the government is busy banning journalists, silencing critics, and censoring social media for questioning the official narrative.

If your version of the truth can’t survive outside your borders, it’s not credible.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Firstly there is a difference in public. Our guys when they here of drones rush out to take pictures whereas Indians hide in their homes. Secondly they have an iron grip on the media and don't allow images to be published.
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HalBass9 said:
This says a lot about India.

No Indian here or elsewhere has been able to provide a non Indian source to support their claims, just echoing state approved talking points.

And no, Indian sources don’t count when the government is busy banning journalists, silencing critics, and censoring social media for questioning the official narrative.

If your version of the truth can’t survive outside your borders, it’s not credible.
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Yes I mean that's what I mean. 2 things:

a) Indians are clearly trying to provoke a justifcation for further attacks, without providing any proof about drone attacks. We have now videos from India with their jets burning so a drone isn't difficult.
b) While yes they have control media, Twitter is still free. They did ban 8000 accounts but there's millions of Indians. Hunderds of millions.
 
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HalBass9 said:
This says a lot about India.

No Indian here or elsewhere has been able to provide a non Indian source to support their claims, just echoing state approved talking points.

And no, Indian sources don’t count when the government is busy banning journalists, silencing critics, and censoring social media for questioning the official narrative.

If your version of the truth can’t survive outside your borders, it’s not credible.
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Non Indian source

War is always a test—not just of military hardware, but of actual combat effectiveness. In response to the April 22 terrorist attack in Kashmir, India launched Operation Sindoor, striking nine terrorist infrastructure targets in Pakistan. The operation didn’t just send a strategic message—it revealed a tactical truth: India’s domestically produced weapons worked. China’s did not.

India’s growing defense self-reliance, driven by the “Make in India” initiative, has led to a major leap in indigenous production—from 32% of the Army’s ammunition needs met domestically in 2014 to 88% in 2024. From missiles like BrahMos and Pinaka to radars and artillery systems, Indian-made equipment proved itself in live combat. That’s not just a national achievement—it’s a model of military readiness for any nation facing modern threats.

Pakistan, meanwhile, continues to rely heavily on Chinese-made systems like the HQ-9/P, LY-80, and FM-90—systems that repeatedly fail to stop or detect precision strikes. In a real fight, performance matters more than procurement deals.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1921771979377406384
 
The best win win solution for both countries is to open the border inside Kashmir and allow the people of Kashmir to freely move between the two countries while at the same time both India and Pakistan retains the control of their own territory. This will solve the Kashmir issue once and for all.
 
Muhammad Saad said:
The best win win solution for both countries is to open the border inside Kashmir and allow the people of Kashmir to freely move between the two countries while at the same time both India and Pakistan retains the control of their own territory. This will solve the Kashmir issue once and for all.
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Neither India nor Pakistan has a robust social security system to control terror elements in that scenario. An open border for Kashmir means, terror outfits like LeT and JeM will directly operate in Kashmir.

I don't think there is any reasonable solution for this. Only economic improvement will help that region. But with these terror strikes, who will invest the money there?

Some diversification in J&K region would have helped in the sense that, people from other parts of India setting up businesses there which also generates employment. But the radicalizing groups are not allowing that.
 
‘Who suffered the most?’: Fear and fatigue in Kashmir after ceasefire

On Saturday morning at Fateh Kadal, a densely packed neighbourhood on the sloping embankment of the Jhelum River in Srinagar, Indian-administered Kashmir’s largest city, 62-year-old Hajira wrapped a cotton scarf with a brown paisley design around her shoulders.

With her face muscles tense and sweat beading across her upper lip, she sat on the cement floor of a government-run grains store.

“Can you make it quick?” she called to the person manning the store.

Hajira comes to the store every month to submit her biometric details, as required by the government to secure the release of her monthly quota of subsidised grains, which her family of four depends on.

But this time was different. The past few days have been unprecedented for residents of Indian-administered Kashmir. Drones hovered overhead, airports were shut down, explosions rang out, people were killed in cross-border fire, and the region prepared for the possibility of an all-out war.

“He made me stand in the queue,” she said, flinching from knee pain, referring to the store operator. “But there’s uncertainty around. I just want my share of rice so I can quickly return. A war is coming.”

Then, on Saturday evening, Hajira breathed a sigh of relief. United States President Donald Trump announced that he had succeeded in mediating a ceasefire between India and Pakistan.

“I thank God for this,” Hajira said, smiling sheepishly. “Perhaps he understood that I didn’t have the means to endure the financial hardship that a war-like situation would have caused.”

On Sunday morning, Trump went a step further, saying in a post on his Truth Social platform that he would try to work with India and Pakistan to resolve their longstanding dispute over Kashmir, a region both countries partly control but claim in its entirety.

Political analyst Zafar Choudhary, based in the city of Jammu in southern Kashmir, told Al Jazeera that New Delhi would not be happy about Trump’s statement. India has long argued that Pakistan-sponsored “terrorism” is the primary reason for tensions between the nuclear-armed neighbours.

However, “Trump’s offer underlines the fact that Kashmir remains central to India-Pakistan confrontations”, Choudhary said.

And for Kashmiris, the hope stemming from the fragile pause in fighting between India and Pakistan, and Trump’s offer to mediate talks on Kashmir, is tempered by scepticism borne from a decades-long, desperate wait for peace.

‘Never been more frightened’

Hundreds of thousands of Kashmiris stood in the direct line of fire between India and Pakistan in recent days.

As the neighbouring nations launched missiles and drones at each other, Kashmiri communities near the Line of Control (LoC), the de facto border with Pakistan, also witnessed cross-border shelling on a scale unseen in decades, triggering an exodus of people towards safer locations.

The shadow of conflict has stalked their lives for nearly four decades, since an armed rebellion first erupted against the Indian government in the late 1980s. Then, in 2019, the government scrapped Kashmir’s semi-autonomous status amid a huge security crackdown – thousands of people were imprisoned.

On April 22, a brutal attack by gunmen on tourists at Pahalgam killed 26 civilians, shattering the normalcy critics had accused India of projecting in the disputed region.

Since then, in addition to a diplomatic ***-for-tat and missile exchanges with Pakistan, the Indian government has intensified its crackdown on the armed groups active in Kashmir.

It has demolished the homes of rebels accused of links to the Pahalgam attack, raided other homes across the region and detained approximately 2,800 people, 90 of whom have been booked under the Public Safety Act, a draconian preventive detention law. The police also summoned many journalists and arrested at least one for “promoting secessionist ideology”.

By Sunday, while a sense of jubilation swept through the region over the ceasefire, many people were still cautious, doubtful even, about whether the truce brokered by Trump would hold.

Just hours after both countries declared a cessation of hostilities, loud explosions rang out in major urban centres across Kashmir as a swarm of kamikaze drones from Pakistan raced across the airspace.

Many residents raced to the terraces of their apartments and homes to capture videos of the drones being brought down by India’s defence systems, a trail of bright red dots arcing across the night sky before exploding midair.

As part of the emergency protocols, the authorities turned off the electricity supply. Fearing that the debris from drones would fall on them, residents ran for safety. The surge of drones through the night skies also touched off sirens, triggering a sense of dread.

“I don’t think I have ever been more frightened before,” said Hasnain Shabir, a 24-year-old business graduate from Srinagar. “The streets have been robbed of all their life. If the prelude to war looks like this, I don’t know what war will look like.”

A fragile ceasefire

Hours after the ceasefire was announced on Saturday, India accused Pakistan of violating it by shelling border regions. Residents across major towns in Kashmir were on their toes, once again, after drones reappeared in the skies.

One of the worst-affected places in Kashmir during these days is Uri, a picturesque town of pear orchards and walnut groves close to India’s contested border with Pakistan.

The village is surrounded by majestic mountains through which the Jhelum flows. It is the final frontier on the Indian-administered side before the hills pave the way to Pakistan-administered Kashmir.

Parts of Uri saw intense shelling, forcing the residents to leave their homes and look for safety. On May 8, officials told Al Jazeera that a woman, Nargis Bashir, was killed in her car as she and her family tried to flee the border region, like thousands of others, after flying shrapnel tore through the vehicle. Three of her family members were wounded.

Muhammad Naseer Khan, 60, a former serviceman, was huddling in his room when Pakistani artillery fire hit a nearby military post, with metal shards blasting through the walls of his house. “The blast has damaged one side of my home,” Khan said, wearing a traditional blue shirt and a tweed coat.

“I don’t know if this place is even liveable,” he said, his bright blue eyes betraying a sense of fear.

Despite the ceasefire, his two daughters and many others in his family who had left for a relative’s house, away from the disputed border, are sceptical about returning. “My children are refusing to return. They have no guarantee that guns won’t roar again,” he said.

Suleman Sheikh, a 28-year-old resident in Uri, recalled his childhood years when his grandfather would talk about the Bofors artillery guns stationed inside a military garrison in the nearby village of Mohra.

“He told us that the last time this gun had roared was in 1999, when India and Pakistan clashed on the icy peaks of Kargil. It is a conventional belief here that if this gun roared again, things are going to get too bad,” he said.

That is what happened at 2am on May 8. As the Bofors guns in Mohra prepared to fire ammunition across the mountains into Pakistan, Sheikh felt the ground shaking beneath him. An hour and a half later, a shell fired from the other side hit an Indian paramilitary installation nearby, making a long hissing noise before striking with a thud.

Hours after Sheikh spoke to Al Jazeera, another shell landed on his home. The rooms and the portico of his house collapsed, according to a video he shared with Al Jazeera later.

He had refused to leave his home despite his family’s pleas to join them. “I was here to protect our livestock,” Sheikh said. “I didn’t want to leave them alone.”

Unlike the rest of the Kashmir valley, where apple cultivation brings millions of dollars in income for the region, Uri is relatively poor. Villagers mostly work odd jobs for the Indian Army, which maintains large garrisons there, or farm walnuts and pears. Livestock rearing has turned into a popular vocation for many in the town.

“We have the firsthand experience of what war feels like. It is good that the ceasefire has taken place. But I don’t know if it will hold or not,” Sheikh said, his face downcast. “I pray that it does.”

‘How long must this continue?’

Back in Srinagar, residents are slowly returning to the rhythm of their daily lives. Schools and colleges remain closed, and people are avoiding unnecessary travel.

The scenes of racing drone fleets in the skies and the accompanying blasts are seared into public memory. “Only in the evening will we come to know whether this ceasefire has held on,” said Muskaan Wani, a student of medicine at Government Medical College, Srinagar, on Sunday.

It did, overnight, but the tension over whether it will last remains.

Political experts attribute the general scepticism about the ceasefire to the unresolved political issues in the region – a point that was echoed in Trump’s statement on Sunday, in which he referred to a possible “solution concerning Kashmir”.

“The problem to begin with is the political alienation [of Kashmiris],” said Noor Ahmad Baba, a former professor and head of the political science department at the University of Kashmir.

“People in Kashmir feel humiliated for what has happened to them in the last few years, and there haven’t been any significant efforts to win them over. When there’s humiliation, there is suspicion.”

Others in Indian-administered Kashmir expressed their anger at both countries for ruining their lives.

“I doubt that our feelings as Kashmiris even matter,” said Furqan, a software engineer in Srinagar who gave his first name only. “Two nuclear powers fought, caused damage and casualties at the borders, gave their respective nations a spectacle to watch, their goals were achieved, and then they stopped the war.

“But the question is, who suffered the most? It’s us. For the world, we are nothing but collateral damage.”

Furqan said his friends were sceptical about the ceasefire when the two countries resumed shelling on the evening of May 10.

“We all already were like, ‘It is not gonna last,'” he said. “And then we heard the explosions again.”

Muneeb Mehraj, a 26-year-old resident of Srinagar who studies management in the northern Indian state of Punjab, echoed Furqan.

“For others, the war may be over. A ceasefire has been declared. But once again, it’s Kashmiris who have paid the price – lives lost, homes destroyed, peace shattered,” he said. “How long must this cycle continue?”

“We are exhausted,” Mehraj continued. “We don’t want another temporary pause. We want a lasting, permanent solution.”

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As India, Pakistan claim win, Kashmiris ask: ‘Who suffered the most?’

The region, which faced the brunt of the India-Pakistan military escalation, limps back to life. But questions remain.
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An AI summary detailing the losses, strengths, and weaknesses exposed for India and Pakistan during these events as per the aviation experts at the Aviation Geek Club:

CategoryIndiaPakistan
Losses- 1 Rafale EH, 1 MiG-29UPG, 1 Mirage 2000H, 1 Su-30MKI shot down
- Civilian damage due to UAV debris		- 1 F-16, 2 JF-17s shot down
- HQ-9 SAM battalions in Lahore & possibly Karachi destroyed or damaged
- PAF Saab 2000 damaged, multiple personnel killed/injured at Bholari AB
- Major air bases hit by BrahMos & UAVs
- HQs of Pakistan Army and XXX Corps hit by Indian Harop UAVs
- Kamra AB (home of J-10s) struck
- Mushaf, Nur Khan, Shahbaz ABs damaged
Strengths Demonstrated- Executed precise, large-scale multi-pronged air & UAV strikes
- Advanced weapon use (SCALP, Harop, BrahMos)		- PAF successfully ambushed IAF initially, downing 4 fighters
- Strong integrated air defense (IADS) intercepted hundreds of UAVs & rockets- Mass UAV & rocket response (300–500 units), creating tactical disruption
- Coordination between platforms (AWACS, UCAVs, guided munitions)- Initial operational use of Songar, CM-400AKG, and Fateh-1 systems
Weaknesses Exposed- Loss of 4 high-value jets shows vulnerabilities to surprise PAF ambush- Poor performance of HQ-9 SAMs under sustained attack
- Potential gaps in early fighter escort and radar warning coordination- Overreliance on drones and rockets with low effectiveness against Indian IADS
- Stocks of drones and Fateh-1s low after 2–3 days of operations
- Failure to significantly disrupt IAF operations or destroy Indian SAM sites
- No visible action from J-10Cs or ROSE-upgraded Mirages (possibly held in reserve or grounded)

Key Takeaways:​

  • India showed operational depth, resilience of air defenses, and striking capability deep inside Pakistan.
  • Pakistan demonstrated an initially effective air ambush but lacked the sustainability and firepower to inflict lasting damage.
  • Both sides suffered losses, but Pakistan appears to have come out tactically and strategically weakened by May 10.


Source: https://theaviationgeekclub.com/the...es-that-destroyed-several-pakistani-aircraft/
 
Abhilash93 said:
An AI summary detailing the losses, strengths, and weaknesses exposed for India and Pakistan during these events as per the aviation experts at the Aviation Geek Club:

CategoryIndiaPakistan
Losses- 1 Rafale EH, 1 MiG-29UPG, 1 Mirage 2000H, 1 Su-30MKI shot down
- Civilian damage due to UAV debris		- 1 F-16, 2 JF-17s shot down
- HQ-9 SAM battalions in Lahore & possibly Karachi destroyed or damaged
- PAF Saab 2000 damaged, multiple personnel killed/injured at Bholari AB
- Major air bases hit by BrahMos & UAVs
- HQs of Pakistan Army and XXX Corps hit by Indian Harop UAVs
- Kamra AB (home of J-10s) struck
- Mushaf, Nur Khan, Shahbaz ABs damaged
Strengths Demonstrated- Executed precise, large-scale multi-pronged air & UAV strikes
- Advanced weapon use (SCALP, Harop, BrahMos)		- PAF successfully ambushed IAF initially, downing 4 fighters
- Strong integrated air defense (IADS) intercepted hundreds of UAVs & rockets- Mass UAV & rocket response (300–500 units), creating tactical disruption
- Coordination between platforms (AWACS, UCAVs, guided munitions)- Initial operational use of Songar, CM-400AKG, and Fateh-1 systems
Weaknesses Exposed- Loss of 4 high-value jets shows vulnerabilities to surprise PAF ambush- Poor performance of HQ-9 SAMs under sustained attack
- Potential gaps in early fighter escort and radar warning coordination- Overreliance on drones and rockets with low effectiveness against Indian IADS
- Stocks of drones and Fateh-1s low after 2–3 days of operations
- Failure to significantly disrupt IAF operations or destroy Indian SAM sites
- No visible action from J-10Cs or ROSE-upgraded Mirages (possibly held in reserve or grounded)

Key Takeaways:​

  • India showed operational depth, resilience of air defenses, and striking capability deep inside Pakistan.
  • Pakistan demonstrated an initially effective air ambush but lacked the sustainability and firepower to inflict lasting damage.
  • Both sides suffered losses, but Pakistan appears to have come out tactically and strategically weakened by May 10.


Source: https://theaviationgeekclub.com/the...es-that-destroyed-several-pakistani-aircraft/
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Did the AI train on Indian media sources?
 
Abhilash93 said:
An AI summary detailing the losses, strengths, and weaknesses exposed for India and Pakistan during these events as per the aviation experts at the Aviation Geek Club:

CategoryIndiaPakistan
Losses- 1 Rafale EH, 1 MiG-29UPG, 1 Mirage 2000H, 1 Su-30MKI shot down
- Civilian damage due to UAV debris		- 1 F-16, 2 JF-17s shot down
- HQ-9 SAM battalions in Lahore & possibly Karachi destroyed or damaged
- PAF Saab 2000 damaged, multiple personnel killed/injured at Bholari AB
- Major air bases hit by BrahMos & UAVs
- HQs of Pakistan Army and XXX Corps hit by Indian Harop UAVs
- Kamra AB (home of J-10s) struck
- Mushaf, Nur Khan, Shahbaz ABs damaged
Strengths Demonstrated- Executed precise, large-scale multi-pronged air & UAV strikes
- Advanced weapon use (SCALP, Harop, BrahMos)		- PAF successfully ambushed IAF initially, downing 4 fighters
- Strong integrated air defense (IADS) intercepted hundreds of UAVs & rockets- Mass UAV & rocket response (300–500 units), creating tactical disruption
- Coordination between platforms (AWACS, UCAVs, guided munitions)- Initial operational use of Songar, CM-400AKG, and Fateh-1 systems
Weaknesses Exposed- Loss of 4 high-value jets shows vulnerabilities to surprise PAF ambush- Poor performance of HQ-9 SAMs under sustained attack
- Potential gaps in early fighter escort and radar warning coordination- Overreliance on drones and rockets with low effectiveness against Indian IADS
- Stocks of drones and Fateh-1s low after 2–3 days of operations
- Failure to significantly disrupt IAF operations or destroy Indian SAM sites
- No visible action from J-10Cs or ROSE-upgraded Mirages (possibly held in reserve or grounded)

Key Takeaways:​

  • India showed operational depth, resilience of air defenses, and striking capability deep inside Pakistan.
  • Pakistan demonstrated an initially effective air ambush but lacked the sustainability and firepower to inflict lasting damage.
  • Both sides suffered losses, but Pakistan appears to have come out tactically and strategically weakened by May 10.


Source: https://theaviationgeekclub.com/the...es-that-destroyed-several-pakistani-aircraft/
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This is a great fantasy with no proof from any Western media or source.

Indians have been getting thrashed by our airforce a long while so I understand it i guesss
 
India, with grand ambitions of being a super power in the world, is having to justify (lie, misrepresent) winning this ‘war’ against a country that’s six times smaller in terms of population.
 
Modi was complaining that Pakistan hit back, he also preached Buddhism in his speech. The guy is an idiot
Bhaijaan said:
We have a real Prime Minister

You have a puppet

https://twitter.com/x/status/1922185798855590310
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If he’s having to do this, it confirms that Pakistan did hit this base.

We don’t know what damage was caused as India much like Israel never like to admit anything.

I imagine Pakistan wanted to deter rather than destroy. Meaning they give a good indication of what they could do if wanted. Take one or two batteries out (S400). Explains the ceasefire.
 
India wanted to bully Pakistan.

It's now running around trying to prove Pakistan did not cause much damage to it, and it's mad PM is crying in press conferences about Pakistan retaliating.

Hilarious :ishant
 
FO reiterates support for Trump offer to resolve Kashmir issue

The Foreign Office has reiterated Pakistan’s support for US President Donald Trump’s efforts aimed at the resolution of the dispute in Kashmir between the neighbours.

“Pakistan has always supported the peaceful resolution of the Jammu and Kashmir dispute, in accordance with UN Security Council resolutions and the aspirations of the Kashmiri people,” the FO said in a statement.
 
Pakistan urges international community to closely monitor India’s actions: FO

The Foreign Office (FO) has called on the international community to closely monitor India’s actions in the coming days after the recent ceasefire.

It said India’s actions set a dangerous precedent for aggression, “dragging the entire region to the brink of disaster”.

The FO said they reflected the mindset of a revisionist actor that seeks to upend strategic stability in South Asia without regard for consequences.

“Moreover, India is justifying the cold-blooded murder of innocent civilians, mostly women and children, as well as its highly irresponsible brinkmanship as the ‘new normal’ for the region.

“Pakistan totally rejects this assertion. The ‘normal’ remains that no one will be allowed to challenge the principles and purposes of the UN Charter, as amply demonstrated by Pakistan in resolutely defending its sovereignty, territorial integrity, as well as the security of its people.

“Make no mistake, we will closely monitor India’s actions and behaviour in this regard in the coming days. We also urge the international community to do the same,” it said.
 
Boyka said:
Modi was complaining that Pakistan hit back, he also preached Buddhism in his speech. The guy is an idiot

If he’s having to do this, it confirms that Pakistan did hit this base.

We don’t know what damage was caused as India much like Israel never like to admit anything.

I imagine Pakistan wanted to deter rather than destroy. Meaning they give a good indication of what they could do if wanted. Take one or two batteries out (S400). Explains the ceasefire.
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We took out the s400 radars. Its a sitting duck. So is the IAF. I can't believe they'll try this again. Because if they do I don't think the PAF will show this restraint again. Last time we did the same. We did so again. I hope we take out every single one of their Raffas next time.
 
the Great Khan said:
We took out the s400 radars. Its a sitting duck. So is the IAF. I can't believe they'll try this again. Because if they do I don't think the PAF will show this restraint again. Last time we did the same. We did so again. I hope we take out every single one of their Raffas next time.
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Likely scenario is that seeing the PAF on the horizon, they hurriedly scramble the Rafales in the air..... and then run away quickly as possible towards southern India :ROFLMAO:
 

These five measures remain, despite the India-Pakistan ceasefire​


Days after India and Pakistan agreed to a ceasefire, questions remain over what lies ahead for the two South Asian neighbours.

Early on 7 May, India launched air strikes into Pakistan and Pakistan-administered Kashmir in response to a deadly militant attack on tourists in India-administered Kashmir (Islamabad has denied involvement in the attack).

What followed were four days of intense shelling and aerial incursions between the two nuclear-armed countries, until the surprise ceasefire announcement on Saturday.

But - even accounting for the usually tense relationship between India and Pakistan - things are nowhere close to normal yet.

The fragile ceasefire, now in its fourth day, is still holding as life slowly begins to return to normal in towns along the de facto border between India and Pakistan.

Meanwhile, days before launching the military operation, India had announced a flurry of diplomatic measures against Pakistan, including suspending a key water-sharing treaty, halting most visas and stopping all trade.

In response, Islamabad announced its own set of ***-for-tat actions, including the suspension of visas for Indians, a trade ban and the closure of its airspace to Indian flights.

None of these punitive measures have been reversed by both countries so far. Here's where things currently stand between the two neighbours in terms of the measures announced since the Pahalgam attack:

Suspension of Indus Waters Treaty

On Monday, in his first public comments on the strike, India Prime Minister Narendra Modi said, "India's stand is absolutely clear - terror and talks cannot go hand in hand."

"Water and blood cannot flow together," he added.

His comments align with media reports citing sources that say that the key water-sharing treaty between India and Pakistan, known as the Indus Waters Treaty (IWT), remains suspended.

The 1960 treaty, brokered by the World Bank, governs water sharing of six rivers in the Indus basin between the two countries.

The IWT has survived two wars between the countries and was held up as an example of trans-boundary water management, until the suspension late last month.

Pakistan's Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif had earlier said that he believed the water issue with India would be resolved through peaceful negotiations.

India's decision to suspend the treaty marks a significant diplomatic shift. Pakistan depends heavily on these rivers for agriculture and civilian water supply.

"Water cannot be weaponised," Pakistan's Finance Minister Muhammad Aurangzeb told Reuters news agency on Monday, adding that "unilateral withdrawal has no legal basis".

But experts say it's nearly impossible for India to hold back tens of billions of cubic metres of water from the western rivers during high-flow periods. It lacks both the massive storage infrastructure and the extensive canals needed to divert such volumes. However, if India begins controlling the flow with its existing and potential infrastructure, Pakistan could feel the impact during the dry season.

Soon after India suspended the IWT, Pakistan threatened to suspend a 1972 peace treaty called the Simla Agreement, which established the Line of Control, or de facto border between the countries. It hasn't suspended this so far.

Suspension of visas and expulsion of diplomats

India scaled down its diplomatic relations with Pakistan as part of its retaliatory measures.

It expelled all Pakistani defence attachés, declaring them "persona non grata" (unwelcome) and announced it would withdraw its own defence advisers from its high commission in Islamabad.

Pakistan responded with similar steps. Both countries reduced the staff at their respective high commissions.

Both India and Pakistan also suspended almost all visas given to people from the other country.

Closing of borders

As part of their retaliatory measures, both India and Pakistan shut down the Attari-Wagah border, the only land crossing between the two countries.

The border, which is heavily guarded and requires special permits to cross, has long been used by people visiting family members, attending weddings or reconnecting with loved ones across the border.

Both countries initially gave their citizens nearly a week to return, but the deadline was later extended.

For days, emotional scenes unfolded at the border, as families were separated, with some people staying behind.

After the 7 May strikes, India also announced that it would be closing entry from its side to the Kartarpur Sahib Corridor, which allows Indian pilgrims to visit one of Sikhism's holiest shrines in Pakistan without a visa.

Almost 200,000 Indians visited the Kartarpur shrine between 2021 and 2023, Indian officials said last year. The latest figures have not yet been released.

Indian Foreign Secretary Vikram Misri told reporters last week that the suspension would remain in place until further notice.

Closing air space

As part of its retaliatory measures, Pakistan also announced the closure of its airspace to all Indian flights.

In the following days, India responded with similar restrictions, closing its airspace to all Pakistani flights, both military and commercial.

International flights are now being forced to take longer, costlier detours, increasing both travel time and fuel expenses.

Suspension of trade

The two countries have also suspended all direct and indirect trade.

Experts say the impact on India would be minimal because it does not import much from Pakistan. However, it creates bigger problems for Pakistan.

Already struggling with high inflation and a weak economy, Pakistan could face more pressure as it loses access to trade routes and crucial goods from India, such as raw materials and medicines.

Source: BBC
 
As the dust settled India’s triumph is becoming more and more one sided

#BREAKING: Pakistan finally admits that 11 Pakistani Military personnel were killed (6 Pakistan Army soldiers and 5 Pakistani Air Force airmen) in India’s #OperationSindoor that hit Pakistan.

Pakistan Army:

Naik Abdul Rehman
Lance Naik Dilawar Khan
Lance Naik Ikramullah
Naik Waqar Khalid
Sepoy Muhammad Adeel Akbar
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PTI's Qureshi calls for ‘political ceasefire’ to initiate national dialogue on Pakistan’s challenges

PTI leader Shah Mahmood Qureshi has called for an internal political ceasefire to initiate a national dialogue on the existential challenges confronting Pakistan

In a letter written from Kot Lakhpat Jail — where the former foreign minister is currently incarcerated — shared on his X account, he said, “Pakistan and India have agreed to ceasefire and meet to discuss the way forward. I urge an internal political ceasefire to initiate a national dialogue on the existential challenges confronting Pakistan and putting our house in order”.

Qureshi said the past few days have “once again exposed the belligerence and aggression” of India.

“India, without evidence or justification, continues its unlawful and provocative actions under the guise of unsubstantiated claims. Pakistan has demonstrated maturity, restraint and moral clarity in the face of this hostility,” he said.

He said the press conference jointly addressed by the representatives of the Pakistan Army, Pakistan Air Force and Pakistan Navy on May 9 was a “moment of national pride”.

He said the “calm, dignified and factual manner in which our armed forces communicated the reality to the nation and the world earned respect at a global level. The clarity of purpose, coupled with professionalism and grace underscored Pakistan’s commitment to peace, sovereignty and self-respect”.

“In our response to Indian escalatory actions, targeting military assets and ensuring no civilian harm, the world must see that Pakistani does not seek war, but will never shy away from defending its people, its soil and its honour,” he added.

Qureshi said in these decisive moments, the PTI, its supporters and the citizens of Pakistan stood “firmly like an iron wall, united behind our defenders”.
 
Abhilash93 said:
An AI summary detailing the losses, strengths, and weaknesses exposed for India and Pakistan during these events as per the aviation experts at the Aviation Geek Club:

CategoryIndiaPakistan
Losses- 1 Rafale EH, 1 MiG-29UPG, 1 Mirage 2000H, 1 Su-30MKI shot down
- Civilian damage due to UAV debris		- 1 F-16, 2 JF-17s shot down
- HQ-9 SAM battalions in Lahore & possibly Karachi destroyed or damaged
- PAF Saab 2000 damaged, multiple personnel killed/injured at Bholari AB
- Major air bases hit by BrahMos & UAVs
- HQs of Pakistan Army and XXX Corps hit by Indian Harop UAVs
- Kamra AB (home of J-10s) struck
- Mushaf, Nur Khan, Shahbaz ABs damaged
Strengths Demonstrated- Executed precise, large-scale multi-pronged air & UAV strikes
- Advanced weapon use (SCALP, Harop, BrahMos)		- PAF successfully ambushed IAF initially, downing 4 fighters
- Strong integrated air defense (IADS) intercepted hundreds of UAVs & rockets- Mass UAV & rocket response (300–500 units), creating tactical disruption
- Coordination between platforms (AWACS, UCAVs, guided munitions)- Initial operational use of Songar, CM-400AKG, and Fateh-1 systems
Weaknesses Exposed- Loss of 4 high-value jets shows vulnerabilities to surprise PAF ambush- Poor performance of HQ-9 SAMs under sustained attack
- Potential gaps in early fighter escort and radar warning coordination- Overreliance on drones and rockets with low effectiveness against Indian IADS
- Stocks of drones and Fateh-1s low after 2–3 days of operations
- Failure to significantly disrupt IAF operations or destroy Indian SAM sites
- No visible action from J-10Cs or ROSE-upgraded Mirages (possibly held in reserve or grounded)

Key Takeaways:​

  • India showed operational depth, resilience of air defenses, and striking capability deep inside Pakistan.
  • Pakistan demonstrated an initially effective air ambush but lacked the sustainability and firepower to inflict lasting damage.
  • Both sides suffered losses, but Pakistan appears to have come out tactically and strategically weakened by May 10.


Source: https://theaviationgeekclub.com/the...es-that-destroyed-several-pakistani-aircraft/
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Lol this AI app clearly was from BJP headquarters.

Pass
 
Surrender Modi should have learnt his lesson and better focus on his country. Pakistan has no time for war we remember time when Indian shampoos were sold in Pakistani markets as dirt cheap. Don't worry that time will come again shortly.
 
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Dgispr....drones over Delhi...modi visiting a destroyed airbase and India launching ballastic missiles on Amritsar..that guy .ya very trustworthy
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It is a fact that no one in Pakistan is turning off lights tonight, but they are in northwestern states in India.
 
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It is a fact that no one in Pakistan is turning off lights tonight, but they are in northwestern states in India.
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He also forgets that every single one of his Rafaels could have been shot down. I don't think people quite understand what we did to them. Even the Americans are baffled. We completely blinded them and then killed them. It was a devastating demonstration. And this is only the beginning.
 
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He also forgets that every single one of his Rafaels could have been shot down. I don't think people quite understand what we did to them. Even the Americans are baffled. We completely blinded them and then killed them. It was a devastating demonstration. And this is only the beginning.
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Maybe it was India who gave the nuclear threat to get a ceasefire once they realise they had no defence and were sitting ducks everywhere :LOL:.

You can just tell from the body language of their military and generally whoever they put infant of the camera, they are utterly befuddled as to what has happened and how to explain it. It wasn't meant to go this way :ROFLMAO:.

Turns out... India is a Latoon ke Bhoot.
 
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How has this defeat hurt your morale, Pakistanis?

First the shame of being supporters of terrorism as seen by the whole world and now this embarrassment of getting a phainty for it.

Explains the mental meltdown in last few days 😔
 
Bhaijaan said:
How has this defeat hurt your morale, Pakistanis?

First the shame of being supporters of terrorism as seen by the whole world and now this embarrassment of getting a phainty for it.

Explains the mental meltdown in last few days 😔
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Only thing that hurts is how you were able to open a portal from a parallel universe to this one. I am dying to know your secret.
 
ISLAMABAD/NEW DELHI, May 13 (Reuters) - At 2.09 a.m. on Saturday, Ahmad Subhan, who lives near an air base in the Pakistan military garrison city of Rawalpindi, heard the first explosion that rattled the windows of his house - and took South Asia to the brink of war.

As dawn broke, the heaviest fighting in decades between nuclear-armed India and Pakistan reached a crescendo, after nearly three weeks of escalating tensions.

Fighter jets and missiles crisscrossed the skies of one of the world's most populated regions. Pakistani officials said they would convene an emergency meeting of their top nuclear decision-making body.

The critical eight-hour window also saw Indian missile barrages on three major Pakistani air bases and other facilities, including Nur Khan, which is ringed by civilian homes like Subhan's, and just a 20-minute drive to the capital, Islamabad.

After the initial blast, Subhan and his wife grabbed their three children and ran out of their home. "We were just figuring out what had happened when there was another explosion," said the retired government employee, who remembered the precise time of the strike because he was just about to make a call.

This account of Saturday's events - which began with the looming specter of a full-blown war and ended with an evening cease-fire announcement by U.S. President Donald Trump - is based on interviews with 14 people, including U.S., Indian and Pakistani officials, as well as Reuters' review of public statements from the three capitals.

They described the rapid escalation of hostilities as well as behind-the-scenes diplomacy involving the U.S., India and Pakistan, and underscore the key role played by Washington in brokering peace.

The attack on Nur Khan air base saw at least two missile strikes as well as drone attacks, according to Subhan and two Pakistani security officials, who like some of the people interviewed by Reuters, spoke on condition of anonymity.

The barrage took out two roofs and hit the hangar of a refuelling plane, which was airborne at the time, according to one of the officials, who visited the base the next day.

A senior Indian military officer, however, told reporters on Sunday that an operations command center at Nur Khan had been hit.

"The attack on Nur Khan ... close to our capital, that left us with no option but to retaliate," Pakistan Foreign Minister Ishaq Dar told Reuters.

Nur Khan is located just over a mile from the military-run body responsible for Pakistan's nuclear planning.

So, an attack on the facility may have been perceived as more dangerous than India intended - and the two sides should not conclude that it is possible to have a conflict without it going nuclear, said Christopher Clary, an associate professor at the University at Albany in New York.

"If you are playing Russian roulette and pull the trigger, the lesson isn't that you should pull the trigger again," said Clary.

India's defense and foreign ministries, as well as Pakistan's military and its foreign ministry, did not immediately respond to written questions submitted by Reuters.

A U.S. State Department spokesperson did not directly respond to questions from Reuters about the American role, but said that further military escalation posed a serious threat to regional stability.

Indian strike at Pakistan's Nur Khan air base

In the early hours of May 10, Indian missiles hit Pakistan's Nur Khan air base in Rawalpindi, where the headquarters of the nuclear-armed country's military is located.

VANCE CALLS MODI

India and Pakistan have fought three major wars and been at loggerheads since their independence. The spark for the latest chaos was an April 22 attack in Indian Kashmir that killed 26 people, most of them tourists. New Delhi blamed the incident on "terrorists" backed by Pakistan, a charge denied by Islamabad.

It was the latest of many disputes involving Kashmir, a Himalayan territory ravaged by an anti-India insurgency since the late 1980s. Both New Delhi and Islamabad claim the region in full but only control parts of it.

Hindu-majority India has accused its Muslim-majority neighbor of arming and backing militant groups operating in Kashmir, but Pakistan maintains it only provides diplomatic support to Kashmiri separatists.

After a go-ahead from Prime Minister Narendra Modi, the Indian military on May 7 carried out air strikes on what it called "terrorist infrastructure" in Pakistan, in response to the April attack in Kashmir.

In air battles that followed, Pakistan said it shot down five Indian aircraft, including prized Rafale planes New Delhi recently acquired from France. India has indicated that it suffered losses and inflicted some of its own.

Senior U.S. officials became seriously concerned by Friday, May 9 that the conflict was at risk of spiralling out of control, according to two sources familiar with the matter.

Another source familiar with the matter said U.S. Secretary of State Marco Rubio held a series of calls from May 6-8 with Indian and Pakistani officials, including with Pakistani Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif and the foreign ministers and national security advisers of both countries.

Then on the morning of May 9, Rubio and U.S. Vice President JD Vance discussed with Trump in the Oval Office a plan for Vance to call Modi to underscore that Washington "believed there was a high probability for dramatic escalation as the conflict entered its fourth day," the source said.

"The vice president encouraged Modi to consider de-escalatory options, outlining a potential off-ramp that Secretary Rubio and his staff understood the Pakistanis would be amenable to," the source added.

Rubio then engaged in "a marathon session of telephone diplomacy" with Indian and Pakistani officials into the early morning of May 10 to get the parties talking and reach an agreement on a ceasefire, the source said.

The U.S. intervention came despite Vance saying publicly on Thursday that the U.S. was "not going to get involved in the middle of war that's fundamentally none of our business."

The sources didn't provide specifics but said Modi was non-committal. One of the people also said that Modi told Vance, who had been visiting India during the Kashmir attack, that any Pakistani escalation would be met by an even more forceful response.

Hours later, according to Indian officials, that escalation came: Pakistan launched attacks on at least 26 locations in India in the early hours of May 10.

Pakistan said their strikes occurred only after the pre-dawn Indian attack on its air bases, including Nur Khan.

NUCLEAR SIGNALS

A little over an hour after that Indian attack began, Pakistan military spokesman Lt. Gen. Ahmed Sharif Chaudhry confirmed Indian strikes on three air bases.

Some Indian strikes on Saturday, May 10 also utilized the supersonic BrahMos missile, according to a Pakistani official and an Indian source. Pakistan believes the BrahMos is nuclear-capable, though India says it carries a conventional warhead.

By 5 a.m. local time on Saturday, Pakistan's military announced it had launched operations against Indian air bases and other facilities.

About two hours later, Pakistani officials told journalists that Prime Minister Sharif had called a meeting of the National Command Authority, which oversees the nuclear arsenal.

Dar told Reuters on Tuesday that any international alarm was overblown: "There was no such concern. There should not be. We are a responsible nation."

But signalling an intention to convene NCA reflected how much the crisis had escalated and "may also have been an indirect call for external mediation," said Michael Kugelman, a Washington-based South Asia expert.

About an hour after the NCA announcement, the U.S. said Rubio had spoken to Pakistan Army Chief Gen. Asim Munir - widely regarded as the most powerful man in that country - and was pushing both sides to de-escalate.

Rubio also soon got on the phone with Dar and Indian Foreign Minister S. Jaishankar.

"Rubio said that Indians were ready to stop," Dar told Reuters. "I said if they are ready to stop, ask them to stop, we will stop."

An Indian official with knowledge of Rubio's call with Jaishankar said that Rubio passed on a message that the Pakistanis were willing to stop firing if India would also cease.

'GREAT INTELLIGENCE'

Pakistan Defense Minister Khawaja Muhammad Asif, who only days earlier warned of conflict, dialled into a local TV news channel at around 10:30 a.m. on Saturday.

Two-and-a-half hours after Pakistani officials shared news of the NCA meeting, Asif declared that no such event had been scheduled, putting a lid on the matter.

The international intervention anchored by Rubio paved the way to a cessation of hostilities formalized in a mid-afternoon phone call between the Directors General of Military Operations (DGMO) of India and Pakistan. The two spoke again on Monday.

Pakistan Lt. Gen. Chaudhry said in a briefing that New Delhi had initially requested a call between the DGMOs after the Indian military's May 7 strikes across the border.

Islamabad only responded to the request on Saturday, following its retaliation and requests from international interlocutors, according to Chaudhry, who did not name the countries.

Almost exactly 12 hours after Pakistan said it had launched retaliatory strikes against India for hitting three key air bases, Trump declared on social media there would be a cessation of hostilities.

"Congratulations to both Countries on using Common Sense and Great Intelligence," he said.
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Link: https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-...-brink-with-us-brokered-ceasefire-2025-05-13/​
 
India and Pakistan exchange captured soldiers in goodwill gesture

In a rare display of goodwill, Pakistan on Wednesday handed over a Border Security Force (BSF) constable to Indian authorities, while the Indian side reciprocated by returning a Pakistan Rangers official.

The BSF constable, Purnam Kumar, was apprehended by Pakistani forces on April 23, 2025, after he inadvertently crossed into Pakistani territory through the Ganda Singh Wala/Ferozepur sector.

On the Indian side of the border, Muhammadullah, a personnel of Punjab Rangers, had been taken into custody by BSF officials under similar circumstances.

The exchange followed several flag meetings between the border forces of the two countries, culminating in the successful repatriation of both individuals earlier today.

In a statement released by the Indian Border Security Force, it was confirmed that Purnam Kumar was returned safely by the Pakistan Rangers. Indian officials appreciated the gesture, describing it as a positive signal amid ongoing tensions.

This development comes at a time when diplomatic relations between Pakistan and India remain strained. The two nations have kept their borders sealed following limited skirmishes, and engagements between the two sides have been minimal.

The mutual repatriation of border personnel is being seen as a rare yet constructive move in the current geopolitical context.

Source: Tribune.com.pk
 
Pakistani official declared persona non grata
The Government of India has declared a Pakistani official, working at the Pakistan High Commission in New Delhi, persona non grata for indulging in activities not in keeping with his official status in India. The official has been asked to leave India within 24 hours. Charge d’ Affaires, Pakistan High Commission, was issued a demarche to this effect today.
 
A Staff Member of the Indian High Commission, Islamabad, Declared as Persona Non Grata

The Government of Pakistan has declared a staff member of the Indian High Commission, Islamabad, as persona non grata for engaging in activities incompatible with his privileged status. The concerned official has been directed to leave Pakistan within 24 hours.

The Indian Charge d’Affaires was called to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs today for a démarche, conveying this decision.
 

Pakistan’s use of J-10C jets and missiles exposes potency of Chinese weaponry​

Shooting down of India’s planes by Beijing’s customer Pakistan would mark the first time the fighters and their PL-15 missiles have been used in combat

Helen Davidson and Amy Hawkins
Wed 14 May 2025 06.01 BST


As India and Pakistan traded missile strikes over the weekend, and the world watched with horror as the two nuclear-armed neighbours erupted into open conflict, military analysts spotted something curious. Pakistan, it seemed, had used Chinese jets to shoot down India’s planes.

Last week, India launched missiles at Pakistan, in retaliation for a militant attack in Indian-administered Kashmir in April that killed 26 people. The conflict escalated with mutual strikes and drone attacks.


Pakistan claimed to have shot down several Indian air force fighter jets with Chinese-made missiles fired from Chinese-made J10-C jets. The Pakistani foreign minister Ishaq Dar told parliament the Pakistani-flown fighters had taken down India’s French-made Rafales. Dar said he had informed the Chinese and they were pleased. China’s social media celebrated.



From missiles to ceasefire: how India and Pakistan pulled back from the brink

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The use of J-10Cs by Pakistan would mark the first time the Chinese planes – and the PL-15 missiles they were carrying – have been used in combat anywhere in the world, giving military analysts a rare glimpse of their capabilities, and China’s military, the PLA, a crucial test case.

“Any state producing or buying weapons is keen to see how the product does in real conflict. Tests and exercises can tell most about capabilities of weapons, but the ultimate test is often combat,” said Siemon Wezeman, a senior researcher at the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (Sipri).

China is a crucial ally of Pakistan. Sipri estimates that it is Pakistan’s biggest military weapons supplier, providing more than 80% of its stock from fighter jets to navy vessels and missiles.

Andrew Small, a Berlin-based senior fellow at the German Marshall Fund, said China gets particular benefit from seeing its weapons used against western equivalents. “It gives them a chance to assess their performance under far more complex and challenging conditions than usual, and with Pakistan this is not just about the fighter jets themselves, it’s about the missiles, the radar systems, and the whole technology spine of the Pakistani military, from electronic warfare capabilities to satellite systems.”

It’s not just western arms that China’s planes are being tested against. India has the support of both China’s biggest rival, the US, and its closest ally, Russia, which supplies 36% of India’s arms imports.

But analysts says it has provided a wake-up call about China’s military capabilities as it threatens to annex Taiwan.

“We may need to reassess the PLA’s air combat capabilities, which may be approaching or even surpassing the level of US air power deployments in east Asia,” Shu Hsiao-Huang, an associate research fellow at the Taiwan defence ministry-linked Institute of National Defense and Security Research, told Bloomberg.

Under the rule of Xi Jinping, China’s military has been modernising and expanding, with a goal to be capable of an air and land invasion of Taiwan by 2027.

Hu Xijin, the former editor of the nationalistic Chinese state-linked tabloid Global Times, said the incident showed Taiwan should feel “even more scared”.

Part of China’s contingency planning is an expectation that the US military and potentially others would be involved in defending Taiwan.

Yun Sun, director of the China programme at the Stimson Center, said the two combat theatres were not directly comparable, as a Taiwan invasion would probably involve more input from the navy, marines and army than this month’s limited conflict between India and Pakistan.

“And technically, India did not use American weapon systems during this round,” Sun said. “But the surprising victory of Chinese J-10 and PL-15 [missiles] will force people to reconsider the military balance of power in the event of a Taiwan contingency.”

The apparent success of the J-10C against the Rafales also boosts China’s reputation as a manufacturer and seller of weapons. While China is the world’s fourth largest arms exporter, more than half goes to Pakistan and the rest is mostly to smaller developed nations. It must work around US sanctions.

The share price of Chengdu Aircraft Corporation, which makes the J-10Cs, soared on the news.

Small said Pakistan was often seen as a showcase for Chinese weapons.

“A good performance demonstrates to others the benefits of maintaining a close partnership with Beijing as PLA capabilities advance, especially given the rumours that China provided Pakistan, one of its closest strategic partners, with versions of the PL-15 missiles that have a longer range than the usual export variant,” he said.

Wezeman said the shooting was too limited to draw a lot of firm conclusions about the state of China’s military, which has also been mired in corruption scandals in recent years.

“That said, the clash seems to support a general assessment that Chinese weapons are proving to have become a match for western weapons.”

China’s military and government have neither denied nor celebrated the J-10C claims. The foreign ministry said when asked that it was “not familiar” with the J-10C situation.

But on Tuesday China’s vice-foreign minister Sun Weidong met with Pakistan’s ambassador to China, Khalil Hashmi. “China welcomes and supports Pakistan and India achieving a comprehensive and lasting ceasefire,” a foreign ministry statement said.

“China is ready to continue to play a constructive role in this regard.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-and-missiles-exposes-potency-of-chinese-arms
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Shipments continue to arrive in Delhi from Washington, against the norms of fair play carrying jammer and other satellite equipments.
 
Some people i will never forgive. Those whom i considered my brothers pierced a dagger through my heart and killed the goodness in me. It still hurts. It will always hurt

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Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif issued on Wednesday a firm warning to Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi, stating that if India dared launch another attack, “whatever is left will also be destroyed.”

PM Shehbaz had warned India not to tamper with water resources. “Blocking our water is a red line. Mr Modi must remember who trained the Mukti Bahini in 1971. Threads of the Jaffar Express incident link back to BLA, TTP and India. We will eliminate terrorism once and for all. And how did Kulbhushan Jadhav reach Balochistan?”

He added sharply, “Mr Modi, keep your rhetoric to yourself. Pakistan seeks peace, progress, and prosperity in the region. Do not mistake our desire for peace as weakness. India’s dream of regional dominance has been shattered.”

“We Seek Peace — But Are Prepared for War”

PM Shehbaz had denounced India’s alleged night-time attack, likening it to a “thief in the dark.” He declared, “If you choose this path again, you will face devastating consequences. We are advocates of peace — let us bring peace to the region together. But if war is imposed, we are fully prepared.”

He said, “India tried to damage our Neelum–Jhelum Dam. Had it been destroyed, we would have retaliated by demolishing all Indian dams. We are ready for both war and peace — the choice is yours.”

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Pakistan's Shehbaz Sharif gives befitting response to Indian PM Narendra Modi's provocative actions

PM Shehbaz added, “Open aggression was carried out against innocent civilians, resulting in the martyrdom of children, women, and the elderly. Labeling innocent civilians as terrorists is shameful and a violation of international laws, principles, and ethics.”
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Ball Blazer said:
A Staff Member of the Indian High Commission, Islamabad, Declared as Persona Non Grata

The Government of Pakistan has declared a staff member of the Indian High Commission, Islamabad, as persona non grata for engaging in activities incompatible with his privileged status. The concerned official has been directed to leave Pakistan within 24 hours.

The Indian Charge d’Affaires was called to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs today for a démarche, conveying this decision.
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Canada also kicked out Indian diplomats.

I expect more and more countries to kick out Indian diplomats considering India currently have an extremist and hostile government. :inti
 
PM Shehbaz thanks Azerbaijan for solidarity during Pak-India tensions

Prime Minister (PM) Shehbaz Sharif on Wednesday expressed his profound gratitude to Azerbaijan President Ilham Aliyev and people of the brotherly country for their unwavering solidarity with and support to Pakistan during the recent tensions with India.

Ambassador of the Republic of Azerbaijan Khazar Farhadov called on PM Shehbaz at the Prime Minister’s House, a news release said. During the meeting, the prime minister added it was reflective of the abiding friendship between the two nations.

While deeply appreciating the valiant armed forces of Pakistan for the successful conduct of “Operation Bunyanum Marsoos”, the prime minister said Pakistani people are grateful to Allah, the Almighty for this historic victory. He said that Pakistan is a peace-loving nation and in this spirit, had agreed to accept the ceasefire understanding with India.

“Pakistan stands ready to resolutely defend its sovereignty and territorial integrity in face of any future aggression,” he added.

Highlighting the excellent nature of Pakistan-Azerbaijan relations, PM Shehbaz expressed his satisfaction at the positive trajectory of bilateral cooperation. He stated President Aliyev’s historic visit to Pakistan last July, marked an important milestone by opening up new avenues of collaboration in the areas of economy, trade and investment.


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