Pakistan bowled out for 273 in the first innings on Day 3 as England opt to enforce follow-on

[MMHS]

Pakistan did fine against Anderson, Broad and Woakes the last two tours.

But this time they have 3 guys aged 34+, who were never any good in the first place.

They have lost their ability, not their form.

Again - PAK did good in 2016 with two batsmen in their 40s, instrumental in the batting line up. It’s quality first, not age. Babar Azam hasn’t uprooted any trees here to be pampered as such.

 

[Mueez]

Asad got out under unfavourable conditions. Not easy it was for anyone. Even Lara would have got.out like that

Bhaijaan pls stop... he isn’t mentally strong enough.

 

[Mamoon]

We deserve this humiliation.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Bhaijaan pls stop... he isn’t mentally strong enough.

Just saying that these are worst possible conditions for batting.

Scoreboard pressure
Cloudy weather
New ball
Anderson bowling like that


Getting start is key here.

Many top batsmen will find tough to get a start here.

 

[Mueez]

We deserve this humiliation.

As much as I hated this sentence - I agree with you now.

We don’t deserve any luck for this pathetic side.

 

[castortroy]

England is probably the toughest place to bat in the world withe Duke ball

 

[Zeshan547]

Man I am all for it if we can see some real Tabdeeli, For NZ test we need some massive changes and some players form QEA, these are players which we have which are worth trying going forward,
1_Imam
2_? (solid technique vs pace)
3_Babar (C)
4_Harris ( for short term till we find better replacement)
5_? (good middle order batsman)
6_ Haider Ali
7_Rizwan
8_Yasir (or some new spinner who can also hold bat) (or ideally anyone resembling a good pace all rounder if its four seamer pitch)
9_ Shaheen
10_ Naseem (or Sameen Gul)
11_Abbas (or Hasnain or Harris if the prove good in next QEA)
And then we have to give atleast one year rope to this team to start delivering good results. What can be your probable picks for the empty spots and what changes you guys would make? And on management side, we have to have a coach with some credentials and experience plus a new selector with some vision for future. [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION]
[MENTION=2068]syed[/MENTION]_1 what you guys think? Agree with my assessment.

 

[Mueez]

Just saying that these are worst possible conditions for batting.

Scoreboard pressure
Cloudy weather
New ball
Anderson bowling like that


Getting start is key here.

Many top batsmen will find tough to get a start here.

I have seen him so many times getting out like this.

 

[Bhaijaan]

England is probably the toughest place to bat in the world withe Duke ball

England scored 550+ here.

Someone in their team hit 260+

Their keeper played 300+ deliveries in a test match for the first time.

Yes, very difficult indeed.

 

[Bhaijaan]

I have seen him so many times getting out like this.

He's definitely not a batting star and is badly out of form.

If better batsmen are available, then Pakistan must try out.

 

[happydavy]

To me, this looks like a under 70 runs 1st inning score for Pakistan.

 

[Hasan123]

We deserve this humiliation.

Why?

 

[happydavy]

We deserve this humiliation.

Disagree bro, don't think anyone deserve humiliation in life unless he/she has done something illegal or immoral. Not being competent or not putting up a good performance is no reason for humiliation, unless its because of lack of intent or effort.

 

[MMHS]

Man I am all for it if we can see some real Tabdeeli, For NZ test we need some massive changes and some players form QEA, these are players which we have which are worth trying going forward,
1_Imam
2_? (solid technique vs pace)
3_Babar (C)
4_Harris ( for short term till we find better replacement)
5_? (good middle order batsman)
6_ Haider Ali
7_Rizwan
8_Yasir (or some new spinner who can also hold bat) (or ideally anyone resembling a good pace all rounder if its four seamer pitch)
9_ Shaheen
10_ Naseem (or Sameen Gul)
11_Abbas (or Hasnain or Harris if the prove good in next QEA)
And then we have to give atleast one year rope to this team to start delivering good results. What can be your probable picks for the empty spots and what changes you guys would make? And on management side, we have to have a coach with some credentials and experience plus a new selector with some vision for future. [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION]
[MENTION=2068]syed[/MENTION]_1 what you guys think? Agree with my assessment.

Not Haider - you’ll know why apter the T20 series, which is his strongest suit. May be I’ll play Fakhar at 6 instead of Haider.

For rest, very little options - I won’t play Imam over Shan either.

 

[Zeshan547]

[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] and still waiting for your reply to my previous post in thread about the possible changes to make things little better for PCT going forward.

 

[Deewana Mastana]

Review it

 

[MMHS]

Disagree bro, don't think anyone deserve humiliation in life unless he/she has done something illegal or immoral. Not being competent or not putting up a good performance is no reason for humiliation, unless its because of lack of intent or effort.

And that’s true for every team I believe.

 

[PakPremi]

Disagree bro, don't think anyone deserve humiliation in life unless he/she has done something illegal or immoral. Not being competent or not putting up a good performance is no reason for humiliation, unless its because of lack of intent or effort.

Exactly

 

[Faisalabadimunda]

Hmm

 

[sindhiboy]

Ajju bhai looks clueless

 

[Deewana Mastana]

Where is the rain lol

 

[Matty]

Cant believe that was not given

 

[Faisalabadimunda]

Overconfident england have only 1 review left after 14 overs lol

 

[Zeshan547]

[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] and your reasons for Fakhar over Haider? I think Fakhar technique is too lose for tests plus it's harder tu change his game than Haider, plus you would still retain Shan? or who would you rather have if not Imam?

 

[Deewana Mastana]

Pakistan ����

 

[Mueez]

Fawad’s going to get LBW.

 

[MMHS]

If Jimmy gets a full over at Azhar early in this spell ..... kuch bhi ho sakta

 

[Junaids]

1_Imam
2_? (solid technique vs pace)
3_Babar (C)
4_Harris ( for short term till we find better replacement)
5_? (good middle order batsman)
6_ Haider Ali
7_Rizwan
8_Yasir (or some new spinner who can also hold bat) (or ideally anyone resembling a good pace all rounder if its four seamer pitch)
9_ Shaheen
10_ Naseem (or Sameen Gul)
11_Abbas (or Hasnain or Harris if the prove good in next QEA)
Agree with my assessment.

This World Test Championship cycle is gone, and it’s time to get rid of all the players over 32.

Yasir Shah is still a better bowler than Shadab Khan, but he’s already 34 and it’s time to go with the younger man.

Same with Haris Sohail. Same with Mohammad Abbas.

I’ll keep your players EXCEPT for Haris Sohail, Yasir Shah and Mohammad Abbas.

So I am going with.

1. Imam
2. Sami Aslam
3. Shan Masood (short-term transitional skipper)
4. Babar Azam
5. Haider Ali
6. Mohammad Rizwan (wk)
7. Shadab Khan
8. Faheem Ashraf (SENA) / Zafar Gohar (Asia)
9. Mohammad Amir or Hasan Ali
10. Shaheen Shah Afridi
11. Naseem Shah

Reserves
Saud Shakeel
Abdullah Shafique
Rohail Nazir
Sajid Khan
Sameen Gul
Ehsan Adil

They would take some beatings, but at least a few of the youngsters might develop.

 

[Hasan123]

Azhar Ali should be dropped. But it would be nice to see him get a decent score. Don't wanna have to keep kicking a man when he is down.

Hopefully he get a good score and retires after the game.

 

[Mesozoic]

Broad against Fawad.

 

[Gullycricket]

Man I am all for it if we can see some real Tabdeeli, For NZ test we need some massive changes and some players form QEA, these are players which we have which are worth trying going forward,
1_Imam
2_? (solid technique vs pace)
3_Babar (C)
4_Harris ( for short term till we find better replacement)
5_? (good middle order batsman)
6_ Haider Ali
7_Rizwan
8_Yasir (or some new spinner who can also hold bat) (or ideally anyone resembling a good pace all rounder if its four seamer pitch)
9_ Shaheen
10_ Naseem (or Sameen Gul)
11_Abbas (or Hasnain or Harris if the prove good in next QEA)
And then we have to give atleast one year rope to this team to start delivering good results. What can be your probable picks for the empty spots and what changes you guys would make? And on management side, we have to have a coach with some credentials and experience plus a new selector with some vision for future. [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION]
[MENTION=2068]syed[/MENTION]_1 what you guys think? Agree with my assessment.

Keep Shan. Play Usman Salahuddin in middle. Haider is too raw. I would push Rizwan at 6 and Shady to be groomed at 7. Bowling is fine and needs to play more

 

[Forward Defensive Push]

Oh my.. can’t see Fawad surviving here

 

[Invincible Gujjar]

He is really bad. This fawad guy

 

[Energy]

Fawad batting is like watching a circus.

 

[Hasan123]

Love how Nas and Atherton are obsessed about Fawad technique.

 

[Mueez]

Watching Fawad bat makes me wonder how bad our domestic cricket is.

 

[Matty]

Even I can bat better than this fawad chap lol

 

[adzzy786]

Why does he look like a walking wicket? I want him to succeed but he’s right in front of the wicket before the ball is balled. Plus he’s falling over when playing a shot. I’m worried if he gets a Yorker it’s nights out

 

[Junaids]

[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] and your reasons for Fakhar over Haider? I think Fakhar technique is too lose for tests plus it's harder tu change his game than Haider, plus you would still retain Shan? or who would you rather have if not Imam?

Fakhar’s performance in South Africa was so disgraceful, the worst Test batting I have ever seen. Ever.

He should never play red ball again.

Nobody is saying it, but I’d rather try Sharjeel Khan than him, or Azhar, or Shafiq, or Fawad. He actually showed some promise in Australia, which I hadn’t expected.

 

[MMHS]

[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] and your reasons for Fakhar over Haider? I think Fakhar technique is too lose for tests plus it's harder tu change his game than Haider, plus you would still retain Shan? or who would you rather have if not Imam?

I don’t think Haider’s technique is any better - might be even worse because Fakhar has found a way to score runs, Haider so far is PP hype. I don’t think batsman with predominant front foot trigger movement has much future in Test, and that guy is not even a shadow of Fakhar when it comes to play spin. Not ready yet.

Shan, despite all his flaws, has scored a lucky 150 in England and back to back hundred at home against SRL & BD; but that’s PAK’s level, where he is doing well. You can’t drop him for failure against England- in that case you have to drop Shaheen & Naseem as well; no double standards. Instead of Imam, I’ll play Sami Aslam or try a new opener - Imam Ul Haq is one of the prime examples of why PAK cricket is heading this way.

 

[ahmed16]

loving all the pampering that the Pakistani batsmen (including Babar Azam, who has done nothing of note in a short test career) are getting, how about just being honest and saying that our batsmen simply aren't good enough for these conditions: problems with technique, concentration and simply ability confound each and every one of them. You would have expected them to put up a decent show considering the double centurion in the opposition averages 30 in first class cricket! Nope, complete no show and absolute rubbish from supposedly the best 7 batsmen in Pakistan atm.

 

[Gullycricket]

If we are supposed to try raw players like Naseem, Haider play them T20 first. Our T20 team should be very flexible with youngsters. This means no Hafeez Malik. Make better ones translation to ODI and then see if they can adjust to tests. We did this in some ways with Babar and most countries follow this model

 

[Markhor]

Man I am all for it if we can see some real Tabdeeli, For NZ test we need some massive changes and some players form QEA, these are players which we have which are worth trying going forward,
1_Imam
2_? (solid technique vs pace)
3_Babar (C)
4_Harris ( for short term till we find better replacement)
5_? (good middle order batsman)
6_ Haider Ali
7_Rizwan
8_Yasir (or some new spinner who can also hold bat) (or ideally anyone resembling a good pace all rounder if its four seamer pitch)
9_ Shaheen
10_ Naseem (or Sameen Gul)
11_Abbas (or Hasnain or Harris if the prove good in next QEA)
And then we have to give atleast one year rope to this team to start delivering good results. What can be your probable picks for the empty spots and what changes you guys would make? And on management side, we have to have a coach with some credentials and experience plus a new selector with some vision for future. [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION]
[MENTION=2068]syed[/MENTION]_1 what you guys think? Agree with my assessment.

What is Imam's Test average ? He failed even on flat UAE pitches in 2018/19. It seems the longer players spemd on the bench the better they become.

Haider Ali needs another season of FC cricket, he needs to tighten up outside offstump otherwise he'll be eaten alive in NZ.

 

[Invincible Gujjar]

LOL fawad guy is being saved here

 

[Energy]

The repetitive nature of our batsmen dismissals is now being discussed in commentary. Ultra embarrassing.

Obviously our batters have done zilch about it over the years.

 

[King_Kohli]

Azar looks good today

 

[castortroy]

This fawad looks atrocious

Another pak batter playing with low hands

 

[Deewana Mastana]

Last test for Fawad?

 

[Zeshan547]

[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] but I don't think Shadab and Fahim can ever be test class bowlers, and Fahim maybe good enough as fourth pacer but for that role his batting caliber of number XI isn't good enough. So maybe it's better to invest in specialist for time being till we find some real all rounders. And about Shan i personal totally disagree because we had enough of having passengers as our rest captains first sarfi now Azhar, babar may not be the best captain but atleast he deserve a spot in team. And I think while PP would disagree with your opinion about shan as well, he is not even worth the time to have as opener let alone skipper even for short while, nothing against the guy, i love his passion and dedication but sadly he is just not good enough consistently enough.

 

[MMHS]

Fakhar’s performance in South Africa was so disgraceful, the worst Test batting I have ever seen. Ever.

He should never play red ball again.

Nobody is saying it, but I’d rather try Sharjeel Khan than him, or Azhar, or Shafiq, or Fawad. He actually showed some promise in Australia, which I hadn’t expected.

Fakhar was played at wrong spot in SAF, he had zero chance to perform there. I am putting him at six for a reason. Sharjeel of 2016-17, would have been among my top picks, but I don’t think he is any good now. At average, I add 3 to 7 years with PAK players certificate age and my hunch is biologically he is around 35-36 now, at least 34 - not worthy of investment, after three years out of game.

 

[Deewana Mastana]

The repetitive nature of our batsmen dismissals is now being discussed in commentary. Ultra embarrassing.

Obviously our batters have done zilch about it over the years.

They never have and they never will.

 

[Junaids]

What is Imam's Test average ? He failed even on flat UAE pitches in 2018/19. It seems the longer players spemd on the bench the better they become.

Haider Ali needs another season of FC cricket, he needs to tighten up outside offstump otherwise he'll be eaten alive in NZ.

Imam has actually showed a bit of something outside Asia.

In South Africa he scored:
0 and 57
8 and 6
43 and 35

So he made 149 runs in 3 Tests.

Azhar scored 59 runs in those 3 Tests (and Shafiq scored 176 runs).

So I think that Imam deserves a few matches more than Azhar Ali does.

 

[Invincible Gujjar]

Anderson to fawad guy should be fun.

 

[JibranAnsari]

Azhar alis every shot is an uncertain shot , never sure. Every run is accidental.

 

[Deewana Mastana]

Fawad should be leaving those deliveries rather than hanging his bat

 

[Local.Dada]

I want to see Archer bowl to Fawad

 

[Mesozoic]

Fakhar zaman has a better technique than Fawad.

 

[Invincible Gujjar]

This is really fun.need jofra now.

 

[JibranAnsari]

Fawad has played 15 deliveries , well set now for 100

 

[Zeshan547]

[MENTION=53290]Markhor[/MENTION] i had imam as a short term option because we already will be in search of second good opener, we can't have 2 complete noobs on away tour but if we can two openers better than Imam, i am all for it. I am ain't his ******.

 

[sindhiboy]

lol, why did shadab throw the ball like that and expect rizwan to gather it?

 

[Pacy with wisdom]

I don’t think Haider’s technique is any better - might be even worse because Fakhar has found a way to score runs, Haider so far is PP hype. I don’t think batsman with predominant front foot trigger movement has much future in Test, and that guy is not even a shadow of Fakhar when it comes to play spin. Not ready yet.

Shan, despite all his flaws, has scored a lucky 150 in England and back to back hundred at home against SRL & BD; but that’s PAK’s level, where he is doing well. You can’t drop him for failure against England- in that case you have to drop Shaheen & Naseem as well; no double standards. Instead of Imam, I’ll play Sami Aslam or try a new opener - Imam Ul Haq is one of the prime examples of why PAK cricket is heading this way.

Haider is very good against spin. You probably haven't watched him much much because he has all the shots against them, doesnt premeditate abd oucks length very well.
His technique is a work in progress agsinst pace since he gets squared up easily and is not assured against the short bsll, but he has an edge to his personality, similsr to younus, and just finds ways to score and do well.
I see a huge ceiling for the guy.

 

[Mir jibran]

Imam has actually showed a bit of something outside Asia.

In South Africa he scored:
0 and 57
8 and 6
43 and 35

So he made 149 runs in 3 Tests.

Azhar scored 59 runs in those 3 Tests (and Shafiq scored 176 runs).

So I think that Imam deserves a few matches more than Azhar Ali does.

Exactly he should be tried at no 3

 

[Invincible Gujjar]

LOL everyone is making fun of his stance.loving this.

 

[Mueez]

Imam is better than all of our openers.

He gets way too much hate on PP.

 

[Hasan123]

These 2 batting together in terms of style and shot range , this has to be one of the ugliest pairs that can at together in today's game lol.

 

[Mamoon]

Why?

For overrating mediocre players. When people claimed that 5-6 Pakistani players would walk into a combined Pakistan-England XI and Naseem would blow England away, then they deserve to be humiliated.

 

[JibranAnsari]

Goos shot for 2.

 

[Deewana Mastana]

Fawad has played 15 deliveries , well set now for 100

what's Azhar set for?

 

[Firebat]

Imam has actually showed a bit of something outside Asia.

In South Africa he scored:
0 and 57
8 and 6
43 and 35

So he made 149 runs in 3 Tests.

Azhar scored 59 runs in those 3 Tests (and Shafiq scored 176 runs).

So I think that Imam deserves a few matches more than Azhar Ali does.

A tour in which Imam averaged 25 and scored 1 half century is still enough to merit a place in this side.

 

[Mamoon]

Disagree bro, don't think anyone deserve humiliation in life unless he/she has done something illegal or immoral. Not being competent or not putting up a good performance is no reason for humiliation, unless its because of lack of intent or effort.

The fans deserve this humiliation not the players.

The players are not at fault. They are giving their best and trying hard but they are simply not good enough.

You cannot criticize players for not having ability.

 

[JibranAnsari]

Wbo thinks that this partnership will take pakistan to 200?

 

[JibranAnsari]

what's Azhar set for?

He is already set for two more years of captaincy. Dont be greedy.

 

[Mesozoic]

And Wasim comes in and just reads everything on the TV screen. Classic.

 

[Mueez]

Wbo thinks that this partnership will take pakistan to 200?

I don’t think so.

Anyways would be huge if Pakistan can avoid follow on.

But don’t see it happening.

 

[AamchiMumbaikar]

Azhar will score a pointless 50 today

 

[Pacy with wisdom]

I aing watching these clowns. Just hope we get bowled out under 50 so that misbah n his cronies get fired.

 

[Zeshan547]

Fadi has already lasted longer than anyone would expect him to, let's hope he ain't scoring much can't waste another spot on useless long term senior.

 

[Junaids]

[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] but I don't think Shadab and Fahim can ever be test class bowlers, and Fahim maybe good enough as fourth pacer but for that role his batting caliber of number XI isn't good enough. So maybe it's better to invest in specialist for time being till we find some real all rounders. And about Shan i personal totally disagree because we had enough of having passengers as our rest captains first sarfi now Azhar, babar may not be the best captain but atleast he deserve a spot in team. And I think while PP would disagree with your opinion about shan as well, he is not even worth the time to have as opener let alone skipper even for short while, nothing against the guy, i love his passion and dedication but sadly he is just not good enough consistently enough.

I’m not asking Shadab or Faheem to be Test class bowlers. Absolutely definitely NOT!

I’m picking 5 bowlers, including 3 specialists. When I’m playing in Asia I’ll add Zafar Gohar as well as Shadab if I need a frontline spinner, and maybe at Sydney and Durban and Cape Town too.

I’m picking Shadab and Faheem for the sum of their parts, as follows:

Shadab Khan:
70% of a batsman + 50% of a bowler

Faheem Ashraf:
40% of a batsman + 75% of a bowler.

If they can manage those numbers (ie Faheem to average 20 with the bat and 35 with the ball, Shadab to average 35 with the bat and 38 with the ball) then I’m happy.

 

[sindhiboy]

Whats younis writing in his notebook?