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Pakistan finish Day 3 on 137/8 against England, lead by 244 runs

Whatever Azhar or Asad achieve in this series (Except may be winning the match on their own), its high time to say thank you to atleast one of these; I personally dont care who and some decent young batsman should be brought it.

Its not like we dont have any. Even Imam can develop more than these two can at this age and they are yet to produce much under pressure. Even Imam in his limited test career played a solid match winning knock against Ireland in test.
 
Rayyman said:
It does not. That was not a good run, but Asad would have made it had he not stuttered in the middle of the pitch. Also Rizwan's fault too because he just dropped it and ran without looking at the partner. Overall just bad communication.
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I meant to write that the size of your legs is a huge factor. But yes it does, people with long legs have longer strides hence can run faster. Having short legs is a massive disadvantage when running.
 
Forum363 said:
As much as we have a tendency to make players into stars - I feel like Pakistan have ended the test careers of Bess and Butler, no matter the result of this match.

Unless they take England home with the bat, but even then, they've been so poor at their primary function that England seriously need to consider replacing them
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Buttler will never be dropped until England feel that his batting is not good enough for Test cricket. They know Foakes is the best keeper in the country, but they are still adamant that Buttler is an insanely talented batsman who will repay the faith eventually.

The English selectors rate him on par with Kevin Petersen in terms of natural talent and flair. That is why he is getting a long rope.
 
Wonder if root will keep bowling bess, he has given free runs to pakistan insane how woakes has not bowled more overs. Him and a fresh stokes should bowl now
 
Junaids said:
I always think that once a team gets the lead to 220, every run effectively counts double.

230 is defendable.
250 is difficult to chase.
270 is a winning target.
290 puts the chasing team under massive pressure.
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I am a bit too jittery about this. I think yes the pitch is breaking up and everything. But YS had a purple patch in the first innings. Not sure if he can summon it in innings no. 2. Don’t want to make heroes out of Burns and Sibley now.
 
Pak should ideally bat till the end, come in tomorrow and play aggressively before getting out or declaring.
 
Mamoon said:
Buttler will never be dropped until England feel that his batting is not good enough for Test cricket. They know Foakes is the best keeper in the country, but they are still adamant that Buttler is an insanely talented batsman who will repay the faith eventually.

The English selectors rate him on par with Kevin Petersen in terms of natural talent and flair. That is why he is getting a long rope.
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44 Tests for ONE hundred has to be the worst return for someone who has ever been so highly rated, if that’s the case.
 
to be honest, bess wasnt bad in the first innings. He had 3 chances miss in terms of drop catches and stumpings. All because of buttler
 
Abdullah719 said:
44 Tests for ONE hundred has to be the worst return for someone who has ever been so highly rated, if that’s the case.
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It is a question of what could have been if they pull the plug on this Test career. They are always tempted to give him one more series to see him play that defining, explosive innings that they think he has in his locker. To be fair he has played two good innings in the last two Tests, but he obviously needs to do more to repay the faith.
 
AdamM97 said:
I meant to write that the size of your legs is a huge factor. But yes it does, people with long legs have longer strides hence can run faster. Having short legs is a massive disadvantage when running.
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That sounds logical, but short people actually accelerate faster because they are generally lighter in weight. If you have ever taken a physics class, you should remember the equation Force equals mass times acceleration.

Size has nothing to do with speed. How big is a light particle and how fast can it travel?

Who is faster between the wickets? Yasir Shah or Mohammad Abbas? Yasir is faster even though the other guy is a fast bowler.
 
Positive, if what at times risky approach by Pakistan.

Important partnership this as not much left to bat.
 
Yk313 said:
I am a bit too jittery about this. I think yes the pitch is breaking up and everything. But YS had a purple patch in the first innings. Not sure if he can summon it in innings no. 2. Don’t want to make heroes out of Burns and Sibley now.
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Abbas and Shaheen aren't suddenly going to forget how to bowl. Also, Yasir will be high on confidence and he rarely under-performs on helpful pitches. Shadab was very good too. ENG have to pull off a blinder if the target is 270-ish and the stats suggest likewise too.
Only 2 chases above 200 at OT in Test history. In 2004 and 2008.
 
Mamoon said:
It is a question of what could have been if they pull the plug on this Test career. They are always tempted to give him one more series to see him play that defining, explosive innings that they think he has in his locker. To be fair he has played two good innings in the last two Tests, but he obviously needs to do more to repay the faith.
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your views on rizwan?
 
Pak declaring, did i really just read that, hope my eyes are working all right. I can give my leg if Pak can reach a position to declare from this position.
 
Mamoon said:
Buttler will never be dropped until England feel that his batting is not good enough for Test cricket. They know Foakes is the best keeper in the country, but they are still adamant that Buttler is an insanely talented batsman who will repay the faith eventually.

The English selectors rate him on par with Kevin Petersen in terms of natural talent and flair. That is why he is getting a long rope.
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I completely agree with you. Butler has insane talent, and I fully supported him England retaining him, even if his figures continued to be average.

However, his keeping in this match has completely changed the scenario. There is no way England will let him continue to keep after the simple chances he's missed in this match.

There is a chance to consider him as a specialist batsman but their team is pretty packed with allrounders already.
 
Abdullah719 said:
44 Tests for ONE hundred has to be the worst return for someone who has ever been so highly rated, if that’s the case.
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Even a broken clock tells the correct time twice each day.

I don’t think Buttler is a Test keeper, but he’s capable of winning this tomorrow if he gets lucky.
 
Major said:
your views on rizwan?
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Same as before. He will never be a top batsman but he is far better than Sarfraz as an overall package.

He will be first choice in all formats for the next 4-5 years at least.
 
Forum363 said:
I completely agree with you. Butler has insane talent, and I fully supported him England retaining him, even if his figures continued to be average.

However, his keeping in this match has completely changed the scenario. There is no way England will let him continue to keep after the simple chances he's missed in this match.

There is a chance to consider him as a specialist batsman but their team is pretty packed with allrounders already.
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Well I think he will definitely get the next two Tests. Don’t see him getting chopped mid series.
 
Pakistan have completely thrown away there wickets

Asif, Abid, azhar should be embarrassed

The pitch hasn't actually done much.

Complete throw away from pak
 
Getting to stumps unscathed and press on tomorrow morning should be the plan.

Don't lose any more wickets now.
 
If haris sohail had been available atleast we wouldn't have to stick with oldies...The best they're gonna do for next test is have an aged fawad in the lineup
 
Ajeeb baqwas hai umeed hi nahi lagani chahye is team se
 
Darkness said:
If haris sohail had been available atleast we wouldn't have to stick with oldies...The best they're gonna do for next test is have an aged fawad in the lineup
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Haris is throwing his career away. Talent wise he is almost at the same level as Babar.
 
Mamoon said:
The English selectors rate him on par with Kevin Petersen in terms of natural talent and flair. That is why he is getting a long rope.
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If they rate him on par with KP in tests, in my opinion they are pretty wrong. KP had a pretty decent FC record and he showed signs of what he can be in the very first series. Buttler can be a decent keeper in tests but he doesnt have the anything close to KP in terms of red ball skills and 44 tests at 29 years of age with 1 100 defines that.

They just have to look at KP FC stats when he debuted vs Buttler. KP was one of the most naturally talented batsman I have seen and in tests Buttler in nowhere close. Stats arent everything but, at 29 years of age they do show how many times you can convert potential flair into anything meaningful.

Buttler can definitley play a match defining knock someday in tests someday but he cant match KP even in defining tests let alone stats in my opinion.
 
Can we somehow manage 80 more runs? Even that might not be enough with 2 full days to play. England can just slowly nibble away at the target and reach if they keep wickets intact
 
I am unsure about this positive strategy.

There are 15 overs left today. If Pakistan is still batting tomorrow morning they are very likely to win, and every extra run tomorrow seals the deal.

They need to tighten up.
 
Mamoon said:
Well I think he will definitely get the next two Tests. Don’t see him getting chopped mid series.
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If I was an England bowler, I would be storming into the coach/ selector's office and demanding a keeper who can catch.

The issue is, he's not just dropped a couple of catches, which happens to all keepers. He missing regulation takes, is sloppy collecting the ball and his wild throw on one occasion cost a wicket. This means it's no longer a question of ability - he's a decent keeper. But he is mentally shot and needs to be 'rested'.
 
Rayyman said:
That sounds logical, but short people actually accelerate faster because they are generally lighter in weight. If you have ever taken a physics class, you should remember the equation Force equals mass times acceleration.

Size has nothing to do with speed. How big is a light particle and how fast can it travel?

Who is faster between the wickets? Yasir Shah or Mohammad Abbas? Yasir is faster even though the other guy is a fast bowler.
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That’s true.
 
Can anyone confirm if in this match all the Umpire's call decision went in England's way?
 
Michael Holding talking about this not being given out. Inconsistent decision making on the field. Should have been NO according to him.
 
Mamoon said:
Same as before. He will never be a top batsman but he is far better than Sarfraz as an overall package.

He will be first choice in all formats for the next 4-5 years at least.
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i believe he could be a top batsmen due to his game sense, plus he has got good average in domestic.

His fitness is top notch and he always rotates the strike and grinds his runs. Maybe doesnt score high 100s
 
If Shadab gets out Pakistan will be in serious trouble.

After Yasir there are only the three Number Elevens left.
 
Umpire's call for visiting teams when given out by home umpires isnt that great to be honest. Not contesting it, just sharing my opinion.
 
This Michael Gough guy has not given anything marginal in Pakistan or West Indies favour
 
Some batsmen took it too easy this innings after that big lead. England on top.
 
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