"Pakistan has given us nothing but lies and deceit, thinking of our leaders as fools" : Donald Trump

[Abdullah719]

"Pakistan has given us nothing but lies and deceit, thinking of our leaders as fools" : Donald Trump

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The United States has foolishly given Pakistan more than 33 billion dollars in aid over the last 15 years, and they have given us nothing but lies & deceit, thinking of our leaders as fools. They give safe haven to the terrorists we hunt in Afghanistan, with little help. No more!</p>— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/947802588174577664?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 1, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[big_gamer007]

So if he believes that what is he going to do about it apart from ranting on Twitter?

 

[GBK_Fan]

Stopping aid won't help Trumps perception. They still consider him to be a fool

 

[cricketjoshila]

Stopping aid won't help Trumps perception. They still consider him to be a fool

The biggest mistake one can make is to consider your enemy a fool.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

The biggest mistake one can make is to consider your enemy a fool.

Absolutely true.

Let's see if atleast this will get Pakistan establishment to get its act together.

 

[Eagle_Eye]

its nothing to do with that all. They are smarting from the fact that the Chinese blind sided them with cpec, which they are now hell hell bent on trying to destabilise by threats to Pakistan. What is frustrating them even more is that the Chinese are now pulling in Afghanistan to join cpec.

 

[IMMY69]

It would be nice if just for once our Indian brothers would acknowledge the heavy loss of lives our people have suffered due us initially fighting the Soviet’s on America’s behalf and then standing shoulder to shoulder with America in their so-called fight against terror.

What is forty or fifty billion dollars to the families who lost their loved ones, including thousands of children, to terrorist attacks in their schools and hospitals.

 

[Waseem]

Pakistan has said repeatedly and quite clearly "NO MORE". We have our own issues and need to sort them how it suits us NOT US.

These statements mean absolutely nothing after what Pakistan has done in the last 5 years. Pakistan is also fencing the LONG Afghan-Pakistan border (to finish by end 2018).

This is same clown who is pushing the world towards World war 3 with his dangerous rants and decisions, whole world sent him a message not long ago on Jerusalem issue.

 

[thelandofthebravepeople]

All the lives lost in the process of sucking up to United States have gone in vain.
India absolutely triumphed in Afghanistan over Pakistan. Were 90 dislikes Pakistan and likes India. Total fail in policy of supporting Taliban and blackmailing Afghanistan.

Pakistan tried to blackmail again by closing border and sending refugees back. Well that has helped Zero.. Afghanistan has greatly reduced it's trade with Pakistan and the refugees send back has been able to find a place in Afghanistan.

Whoever is the genius making Pakistan foreign policy need to be kicked in the nuts.

 

[UN talkz]

Not only Pakistan whole world thinks of you as A FOOL Mr. TRUMP

 

[Saj]

Food for thought for the Pakistan Govt.

Let's see where this heads.

 

[Indiafan]

Still cannot believe so many Pakistanis and muslims were supporting trump during the election

 

[s28]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Let’s make this easy for you <a href="https://twitter.com/POTUS?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@POTUS</a> - promise there is no reading involved <br>Watch Charlie Wilson’s War - it will help explain the wars “they” fought for “us” and the price “they” continue to pay. <br>And it’s only day one of #2018 <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/USA?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#USA</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Pakistan?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Pakistan</a> &#55357;&#56900;&#55358;&#56614;&#55356;&#57341;*<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/HappyNewYear?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#HappyNewYear</a> <a href="https://t.co/f3eiZSTBRj">https://t.co/f3eiZSTBRj</a></p>— Sayeeda Warsi (@SayeedaWarsi) <a href="https://twitter.com/SayeedaWarsi/status/947825478307667968?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">1 January 2018</a></blockquote>
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[Abdullah719]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">We will respond to President Trump's tweet shortly inshallah...Will let the world know the truth..difference between facts & fiction..</p>— Khawaja M. Asif (@KhawajaMAsif) <a href="https://twitter.com/KhawajaMAsif/status/947816295738863616?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 1, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[BaankeJi]

We need to get rid of international borders. There should be only one country - the world. As long as these international borders exist, individual nationalism will triumph world peace.

 

[Madplayer]

Its high time that Pakistan issues an open threat to block NATO supplies and to withdraw any support, logistics or otherwise, to USA in its efforts in Afghanistan.

 

[the Great Khan]

Absolutely true.

Let's see if atleast this will get Pakistan establishment to get its act together.

excuse me but what? how long have you guys been on this forum and your still ignorant?

Let me set this out for you all:

a) any aid from the US is caveatted e.g USAID etc.
b) We have lost over 120 billion dollars and nearly a 100,000 casualties so the US can cause problems in this region.
c) the aid he is moaning about is debt the US owes us. It is reimbursement of payments so that they can use our roads and ports to prevent their gi-joes from dieing of hunger in afghanistan.
d) the Salala massacre and the raymond davis episode proves that they support ISIS and the TTP in pakistan. Now that we have destroyed their death squads they are looking for someone to blame.

so what will happen and what will be our response? well we are going to do what all south asians now do. red tape, tax, delays and ensure that all supplies will now have to pay the going tax rate to use our roads. The tax rate will be whatever we want and whatever our trucking firms want.

secondly we are no longer obliged to do anything in afghanistan to help the US. We have actually now created a newmechanism to sort out the mess without the US.

so how will this help the US? it wont but they will look to launch ISIS into Pakistan but to us ISIS is the same as the TTP and they will not be able to do what they did in 2009.

Trump just lost the US a key ally in the region forever. And if he thinks the Indians are going to help, well lol.

 

[Madplayer]

We need to get rid of international borders. There should be only one country - the world. As long as these international borders exist, individual nationalism will triumph world peace.

Nice idea. Lets wake up now.

 

[the Great Khan]

Its high time that Pakistan issues an open threat to block NATO supplies and to withdraw any support, logistics or otherwise, to USA in its efforts in Afghanistan.

no need. Just jack up the prices and let pakistani red tape take its course.

 

[Madplayer]

no need. Just jack up the prices and let pakistani red tape take its course.

I know what you are saying. That should be done too. But the world also needs to know how big a role Pakistan is playing in helping USA and how toothless they will be in this region without Pakistan. For that, Pakistan needs to issue a strong statement no holds barred.

 

[GBK_Fan]

The biggest mistake one can make is to consider your enemy a fool.

Too late in the game now. A few years back, yes but Obama did not have the cojones for that. Now Pakistan is firmly in the China camp and does not depend on US aid anymore. This move firmly entenches Pakistans place in the China camp.

 

[the Great Khan]

I know what you are saying. That should be done too. But the world also needs to know how big a role Pakistan is playing in helping USA and how toothless they will be in this region without Pakistan. For that, Pakistan needs to issue a strong statement no holds barred.

lets see if Khawaja sahibs "izzat and tour" comes out in his statement. He can be pretty blunt at times and I'm hopeful we will get a very very blunt statement..

 

[GBK_Fan]

I know what you are saying. That should be done too. But the world also needs to know how big a role Pakistan is playing in helping USA and how toothless they will be in this region without Pakistan. For that, Pakistan needs to issue a strong statement no holds barred.

Sorry but Pakistan really does not have a place to make statements. Better ignore Trump

 

[English August]

Too late in the game now. A few years back, yes but Obama did not have the cojones for that. Now Pakistan is firmly in the China camp and does not depend on US aid anymore. This move firmly entenches Pakistans place in the China camp.

So do you think Pak will shortly issue a statement saying they don't need the money? Seems like peanuts anyway. Why all this fuss over $250M?

 

[Syed1]

The US is mad we played their game and beat them at it.

 

[GBK_Fan]

So do you think Pak will shortly issue a statement saying they don't need the money? Seems like peanuts anyway. Why all this fuss over $250M?

i don't know nor care if they issue a statement. In the context of billions already paid out to Pakistan especially when they were vulnerable, I fail to see the relevance of holding back 250 mil now when Pakistan is more stable economically

 

[Varun]

a) any aid from the US is caveatted e.g USAID etc.
b) We have lost over 120 billion dollars and nearly a 100,000 casualties so the US can cause problems in this region.
c) the aid he is moaning about is debt the US owes us. It is reimbursement of payments so that they can use our roads and ports to prevent their gi-joes from dieing of hunger in afghanistan.
d) the Salala massacre and the raymond davis episode proves that they support ISIS and the TTP in pakistan. Now that we have destroyed their death squads they are looking for someone to blame.

Still awaiting your thread on the bolded.

 

[the Great Khan]

Still awaiting your thread on the bolded.

yeah me too..lol

 

[Gabbar Singh]

The US is mad we played their game and beat them at it.

Trump’s comments are distasteful and below the belt but I’m surprised anyone would think that there’s been a winner in any of this.

The American led war on terror has not only cost the Americans lots of lives and billions of $s but it’s also cost the Pakistanis the same. Do you really see that as a victory?

 

[Yossarian]

The U.S. has long accused Istanbul of allowing militants to operate relatively freely in Pakistan’s border regions to carry out operations in neighboring Afghanistan. In August, the United States said it would hold up $255 million in military assistance for Pakistan until it cracks down on extremists threatening Afghanistan.


http://time.com/5083272/donald-trump-pakistan-tweets/

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[Poutine]

Still cannot believe so many Pakistanis and muslims were supporting trump during the election

I know he is extremely popular in India and even if you read the comments on his tweet today, most of them are from Indians. But didn't know that a lot of Pakistanis supported him as well, that's pretty surprising.

 

[mmkextreme_1]

One should see the replies by Indians to this tweet lol

 

[CricketCartoons]

If this is true, then really proud of Pakistan for doing what the USA deserves. Cancer to this planet ( the state of USA, not the common people).

 

[Saeed]

Looks like he is about cut off the aid that goes to corrupt military officers and politicians.

 

[Napa]

So if he believes that what is he going to do about it apart from ranting on Twitter?

Time will tell. He is still the leader of the most powerful country in the world.

 

[Yossarian]

Trump’s comments are distasteful and below the belt but I’m surprised anyone would think that there’s been a winner in any of this.

The American led war on terror has not only cost the Americans lots of lives and billions of $s but it’s also cost the Pakistanis the same. Do you really see that as a victory?

Somebody obviously got to him during the New Year's Eve party and had a word in his ear. Otherwise why wake up on New Year's Day and make this rant against Pakistan his first tweet of the year?

Trump looks to cash in from lavish NYE party at Mar-a-Lago – but is it ethical?

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Richard Painter, the former top ethics lawyer in the George W Bush administration, believes that the party – as with Trump’s continued use of the club – offers presidential access to anyone that can afford its $200,000 initiation fee.

[........]

“He can easily be contacted by members of Mar-a-Lago, so people who pay him or pay his company money are getting preferential access. If you go to the bar, you run into prominent government officials. So it’s lobbying, but it’s not lobbying that’s going to be disclosed under the Lobbying Disclosure Act.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/dec/31/trump-mar-a-lago-florida-new-years-eve-party

 

[the Great Khan]

[MENTION=132715]Varun[/MENTION] read this on wikipedia. they've done a pretty good job but we can then discuss the article in a thread:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_NATO_attack_in_Pakistan

 

[Varun]

[MENTION=132715]Varun[/MENTION] read this on wikipedia. they've done a pretty good job but we can then discuss the article in a thread:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_NATO_attack_in_Pakistan

Thanks.

 

[Hadi Rizvi]

You, Trump, are nothing but a god damn gambler, billionaire businessman, and a failed celebrity. You know nothing of politics and/or nationalism. The only reason you won is because you provoked the "superior red necks" with delusions of putting US 1st in every policy but unsurprisingly, the US is facing failures in every way possible be it international relations, world peace, climate change resolutions or foreign policy.

I'm sorry folks but America is NEVER gonna be great again and this will be regarded as Trump's legacy.

Mark my words.

 

[Poutine]

One should see the replies by Indians to this tweet lol

Not just on the replies, Indians seem to be rejoicing all over twitter .

 

[big_gamer007]

Time will tell. He is still the leader of the most powerful country in the world.

Of course he is probably the most powerful person in the world right now.. But a lot of his tweets so far has turned out to be just tweets so let’s see what actual steps he implements..

 

[big_gamer007]

It would be nice if just for once our Indian brothers would acknowledge the heavy loss of lives our people have suffered due us initially fighting the Soviet’s on America’s behalf and then standing shoulder to shoulder with America in their so-called fight against terror.

What is forty or fifty billion dollars to the families who lost their loved ones, including thousands of children, to terrorist attacks in their schools and hospitals.

I have said many times here that terrorism is an ideology and Pakistani army/government of the past have screwed over your population.. Pakistani population has suffered a lot and no one will deny that but you need to blame leaders of your past who took key decisions on who to ally with and allow what kind of knowledge to be allowed in society..

 

[DRsohail]

I have said many times here that terrorism is an ideology and Pakistani army/government of the past have screwed over your population.. Pakistani population has suffered a lot and no one will deny that but you need to blame leaders of your past who took key decisions on who to ally with and allow what kind of knowledge to be allowed in society..

agreed//we have our own share as well.

 

[sjahmed23]

This guy is changing the dynamics of diplomacy through each and every tweet. He is just letting the world know what USA has been saying behind closed doors through a loud speaker.

Pakistan must get its act together and pretty fast. No more hanky panky with sharif's democracy, there is no time for that. Pakistan is facing an existential threat and it needs strong leadership and only the military can provide that.

 

[Varun]

This guy is changing the dynamics of diplomacy through each and every tweet. He is just letting the world know what USA has been saying behind closed doors through a loud speaker.

I think he's brilliant. Every other world leader has a boring, PR curated Twitter handle but Trump says it like it is. From this tweet to 'covfefe' and everything in between, you know that it is him doing the tweeting which makes the experience all the more authentic.

Every other President and Prime Minister should take cue. That includes you too, Modi - we know your English is not as good as on your Twitter for starters.

 

[Abdullah719]

PM summons cabinet, NSC meetings after Trump tweet

ISLAMABAD: Prime Minister Shahid Khaqan Abbasi has summoned meetings of the federal cabinet and the National Security Committee (NSC) to deliberate over Monday's statement by US President Donald Trump, sources told Geo News.

The prime minister has summoned a meeting of the federal cabinet on Tuesday, sources said, which will hold a detailed review of the US administration's South Asia policy including Monday's statement by President Trump.

The cabinet will also ponder over national security and other affairs of the state.

Trump earlier tweeted that the United States had foolishly given Pakistan more than $33 billion in aid over the last 15 years.

The US president accused Pakistan of giving nothing but lies and deceit, thinking US leaders to be fools. "They give safe havens to the terrorists we hunt in Afghanistan, with little help. No more!"

The NSC meeting, summoned on Wednesday, would be attended by chairman joint chiefs of staff committee, the heads of the armed forces, the director generals of the Inter-Services Intelligence and Military Operations, sources said.

It would also have key federal ministers in presence, it has been learnt.


'Dictation unacceptable'

Trump's tweet followed strong reaction from Islamabad, with Foreign Minister Khawaja Asif saying that the US President's 'no more' holds no importance.

"We have already told the US that we will not do more, so Trump’s ‘no more’ does not hold any importance," Asif said.

Speaking later on 'Aaj Shahzeb Khanzada Kay Sath', Asif said that Pakistan does not want aid, whether the United States blocks it or not. "Trump can ask his administration as to why were funds given to Pakistan."

The minister reassured that his government would safeguard the interests of Pakistan and whatever decisions it made, would be in line with the country's interests.

"We are not meant for safeguarding interests of any other state; our priority is Pakistan's betterment," he said. "If our interests differ with them, we will not become their allies," he said.

"This sort of dictation is not acceptable at all," Asif said, in response to Monday's tweet by President Trump.

Pakistan also summoned US Ambassador David Hale to its Foreign Office and recorded protest over Trump statement.


‘Time for Afghanistan and US to do more’

The statement by the US president came days after the Pakistani military officials said that Pakistan has done enough and it was time for Afghanistan and the United States to do more.

Major General Asif Ghafoor, the spokesman for the Pakistani military, stated last week that no organised infrastructure of a terrorist organisation exists in Pakistan.

His statement was in reference to the unfounded talk by the US and Afghanistan on the presence of terrorist bases in Pakistan.

“We have been saying that Pakistan has fought twice an imposed and imported war inside Pakistan. We have sacrificed a lot. We have paid a huge price both in blood and treasure. We have done enough and we cannot do any more for anyone. Whatever we are doing and shall, will only be done for Pakistan,” Ghafoor told a news conference on Dec 28.

The spokesman clarified that the Coalition Support Fund, received from the US, is reimbursement of money spent for operations in support of the coalition for regional peace.

"Had we not supported, al-Qaeda would not have been defeated," the ISPR chief stated.

https://www.geo.tv/latest/174874-pm-summons-cabinet-nsc-meetings-after-trump-tweet

 

[sjahmed23]

I think he's brilliant. Every other world leader has a boring, PR curated Twitter handle but Trump says it like it is. From this tweet to 'covfefe' and everything in between, you know that it is him doing the tweeting which makes the experience all the more authentic.

Every other President and Prime Minister should take cue. That includes you too, Modi - we know your English is not as good as on your Twitter for starters.

Thats true atleast we know what is happening but I kinda want the status quo between government and people with this ploy things can get out of hand pretty quickly. Remember diplomacy works through dialogue, give and take and not through internet trolling. I know people are frustrated and lost patience but this is dangerous.

 

[Napa]

It would be nice if just for once our Indian brothers would acknowledge the heavy loss of lives our people have suffered due us initially fighting the Soviet’s on America’s behalf and then standing shoulder to shoulder with America in their so-called fight against terror.

Pakistan has said repeatedly and quite clearly "NO MORE". We have our own issues and need to sort them how it suits us NOT US.

Not only Pakistan whole world thinks of you as A FOOL Mr. TRUMP

Trump’s comments are distasteful and below the belt but I’m surprised anyone would think that there’s been a winner in any of this.

If this is true, then really proud of Pakistan for doing what the USA deserves. Cancer to this planet ( the state of USA, not the common people).

Three things are true:

1) The US has given $33 billion in aid to Pakistan over the last 15 years.
2) The ISI/Pakistani Military regards the Afghanistani Taliban as an asset and provides the necessary help (weapons etc.) for them to survive.
3) The Afghanistani Taliban has been killing US soldiers.

If you disagree with any of the above 3 facts, explain which is wrong.

Trump is responding to the above facts, while the 2 US Presidents before him chose to ignore them for the sake of short term expediency.

 

[cricketjoshila]

The US is mad we played their game and beat them at it.

Pakistan beat US?Look at the security and economic status of Pakistan.

 

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The worlds mightiest military force has nothing to show but failure in Afghanistan after 16 years & incapable even of a graceful exit. In comparison Pakistan has carried out a highly successful anti terrorist operation. Stop trying to use Pakistan as an excuse for your failure <a href="https://t.co/0eKrYUuyeD">https://t.co/0eKrYUuyeD</a></p>— Asad Umar (@Asad_Umar) <a href="https://twitter.com/Asad_Umar/status/947813109992968192?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 1, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[KingKhanWC]

Pakistan beat US?Look at the security and economic status of Pakistan.

Pakistan did not start this war, it had nothing to do with Pakistan.

Once Pakistan was forced to be part of this war, they played a double game taking money of the US while also supporting the Afghan resistance. 16 years later the Taliban which is made up of fighters with little arms have influence in around half of Afghanistan. A major embarrastment for the US and it's allies. Trump can bark all he wants, the defeat is on-going for his troops.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Pakistan did not start this war, it had nothing to do with Pakistan.

Once Pakistan was forced to be part of this war, they played a double game taking money of the US while also supporting the Afghan resistance. 16 years later the Taliban which is made up of fighters with little arms have influence in around half of Afghanistan. A major embarrastment for the US and it's allies. Trump can bark all he wants, the defeat is on-going for his troops.

US has a permanent presence in Afghanistan, right where they want.From where they can keep an eye on Pakistan, Russia Iran and China.

Why will they want to leave?No reason whatsoever.They didnt leave Korea.They havent left Japan.They still have presence in Iraq.

This game is far far complex than you can comprehend.

 

[ahsan17]

And again with the safe haven non sense. Where do these safe havens exist? No one can point out where they are but they are supposed to exist. Sounds like more lies and deceit from the US administration.

 

[KingKhanWC]

US has a permanent presence in Afghanistan, right where they want.From where they can keep an eye on Pakistan, Russia Iran and China.

Why will they want to leave?No reason whatsoever.They didnt leave Korea.They havent left Japan.They still have presence in Iraq.

This game is far far complex than you can comprehend.

We both know your comprehension capabilty.

There are around 14,000 US troops which include a few thousand Trump sent , claiming he is going to win the war.

They can keep an eye on Paksitan but can never invade or go to war, which may be to your dislike.

American soldiers will continue to die in their occupation and eventually the American Joe Plummer public will want and end the war. When this happens the Tablian will take control and India's proxy terrorists will be gone. I hope you live to see the day

 

[ahsan17]

Three things are true:

1) The US has given $33 billion in aid to Pakistan over the last 15 years.
2) The ISI/Pakistani Military regards the Afghanistani Taliban as an asset and provides the necessary help (weapons etc.) for them to survive.
3) The Afghanistani Taliban has been killing US soldiers.

If you disagree with any of the above 3 facts, explain which is wrong.

Trump is responding to the above facts, while the 2 US Presidents before him chose to ignore them for the sake of short term expediency.

1) Half of that aid is for using the supply routes through Pakistan and other services provided by Pakistan.
2) There is no evidence to prove this. Just a case of "repeat a lie a thousand times and it becomes the truth".
3) Foreign occupying force gets killed in another country, what a surprise!

Trump isn't really well known to consider facts before he talks, so I'd caution you for parroting his statements.

 

[Pakpak]

Three things are true:

1) The US has given $33 billion in aid to Pakistan over the last 15 years.
2) The ISI/Pakistani Military regards the Afghanistani Taliban as an asset and provides the necessary help (weapons etc.) for them to survive.
3) The Afghanistani Taliban has been killing US soldiers.

If you disagree with any of the above 3 facts, explain which is wrong.

Trump is responding to the above facts, while the 2 US Presidents before him chose to ignore them for the sake of short term expediency.

Iran and Russia have also openly admitted sending Taliban weapons. Infact last year I think Afghans complained about Iranian backing, which is ridiculous in theory but geopolitik at play.

Evidence of Russian military support for Afghan Taliban is growing
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/0...ry-support-for-afghan-taliban-is-growing.html

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/oct/22/russia-supplying-taliban-afghanistan

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/07/25/asia/taliban-weapons-afghanistan/index.html

In Afghanistan, U.S. Exits, and Iran Comes In
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/05/world/asia/iran-afghanistan-taliban.html
While the U.S. wasn’t looking, Russia and Iran began carving out a bigger role in Afghanistan

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...74ccaf1d02f_story.html?utm_term=.05decc06e8c1

The $33billion isn't for free, that money is payment to use our airfields, our roads, our transit routes for their weapons and supplies.

I mean I assume you know how to google. So google away. If Indians thinking that a third world country like ours can hold a superpower at bay, heck entire NATO at bay, then you people are more deluded than we thought.

 

[Napa]

2) There is no evidence to prove this. Just a case of "repeat a lie a thousand times and it becomes the truth".

If you don't understand this, there is nothing further to discuss.

 

[ahsan17]

If you don't understand this, there is nothing further to discuss.

The only one that needs understanding is you. I suppose if one is adamant on believing lies then there's no point in me to talk to them as well.

 

[Napa]

Iran and Russia have also openly admitted sending Taliban weapons.

Because Iran and Russia are also helping the Taliban does not mean the Pakistani military isn't. Also, Russia and Iran do not get US aid like Pakistan does, which led Trump to say "thinking of our leaders as fools".

The $33billion isn't for free, that money is payment to use our airfields, our roads, our transit routes for their weapons and supplies.

You are correct. And a lot of the money undoubtedly ended up with the officers of the military.

I mean I assume you know how to google. So google away. If Indians thinking that a third world country like ours can hold a superpower at bay, heck entire NATO at bay, then you people are more deluded than we thought.

I did not say that Pakistan can hold the US at bay. For that matter any country other than Russia probably can't withstand the US military. However, this is a low-level war which is being fought. The US obviously hasn't committed its entire force to this war, and there won't be acts such as the Dresden bombing. So the Pakistani military has reason to believe it can keep playing this double-game without facing defeat in the war.

 

[Snak3eye5]

i don't know nor care if they issue a statement. In the context of billions already paid out to Pakistan especially when they were vulnerable, I fail to see the relevance of holding back 250 mil now when Pakistan is more stable economically

Pakistan is more stable now economically?? Says who ?? Are you new or did you not read the report that Pakistan is pretty much a ticking time bomb and is in massive financial debt. The only card they have is relief from China if cpec ever comes through or take more loans from world bank which it's not going to get.

 

[Pakpak]

Because Iran and Russia are also helping the Taliban does not mean the Pakistani military isn't. Also, Russia and Iran do not get US aid like Pakistan does, which led Trump to say "thinking of our leaders as fools".



You are correct. And a lot of the money undoubtedly ended up with the officers of the military.



I did not say that Pakistan can hold the US at bay. For that matter any country other than Russia probably can't withstand the US military. However, this is a low-level war which is being fought. The US obviously hasn't committed its entire force to this war, and there won't be acts such as the Dresden bombing. So the Pakistani military has reason to believe it can keep playing this double-game without facing defeat in the war.

So you're not really contesting other parties meddling here as well. Good. Maybe Trump ought to lambast the Russians too. Its like blaming only one country for Syria when there is an entire mess. Afghanistan isn't any differemt. Pakistan on its own cannot keep US at bay. The Afghan government only controls 55 percent of the country. Even though it's backed by a superpower. If you're saying that's only due to Pakistani meddling then I have to say what a backhanded compliment. Pakistan Afghan fence is almost finished too now. Thankfully. As for supporting people, half the TTP leadership sits in Afghanistan.

As for money, it's not aid. As I have said before. It's the Coalition fund, which we are entitled to for giving our transit routes to them. Fairly simple point to understand.

 

[ahsan17]

Pakistan is more stable now economically?? Says who ?? Are you new or did you not read the report that Pakistan is pretty much a ticking time bomb and is in massive financial debt. The only card they have is relief from China if cpec ever comes through or take more loans from world bank which it's not going to get.

Yes Pakistan is a lot more stable economically. According to news reports Pakistan has been ticking time bomb for the last 50 years. There is nothing in the short term that is a "ticking time bomb", it is just media exaggeration to get more viewers. All of it is storm in the teacup. WB has primarily a much better outlook. That counts for more. Pakistan's GDP growth rate is expected to about around 5.7% this year and continue to go up. That's a bigger sign of economic stability, not yellow journalism.

 

[Yossarian]

US has a permanent presence in Afghanistan, right where they want.From where they can keep an eye on Pakistan, Russia Iran and China.

Why will they want to leave?No reason whatsoever.They didnt leave Korea.They havent left Japan.They still have presence in Iraq.

This game is far far complex than you can comprehend.

One word, Vietnam.

Afghanistan for the USA is Vietnam mark2.

Here's a serious question for you:
Does anyone seriously believe that an insurgency like the Afghan Taliban, whose fighters melt away into the general population anytime they want, and where their leaders can call up new recruits at will whenever they suffer losses, will be defeated, permanently, by the USA and allies?

The USA is caught between the Devil and the Deep Blue sea. It can't remove it's military presence completely (for the reasons you mention), but neither can it completely defeat the Afghan Taliban. ie A state of permanent war with all that it entails (including casualties)

 

[Abdullah719]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Interesting. Just did the math. The US has actually given Pakistan $14.788 billion in civilian & military aid since 2001 (Source: <a href="https://t.co/tNUWdCOXWu">https://t.co/tNUWdCOXWu</a>), in addition to $14.585 billion in Coalition Support Funds, which is a reimbursement, not aid (<a href="https://t.co/Zl60GmS3Nj">https://t.co/Zl60GmS3Nj</a>) <a href="https://t.co/pAfFBhHo0b">https://t.co/pAfFBhHo0b</a></p>— Asad Hashim (@AsadHashim) <a href="https://twitter.com/AsadHashim/status/947867058175397888?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 1, 2018</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Note: Not all of CSF pledged has actually been disbursed, due to the issue with certification over action against the Haqqani Network in recent years.</p>— Asad Hashim (@AsadHashim) <a href="https://twitter.com/AsadHashim/status/947867389626060801?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 1, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[Abdullah719]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Starting to develop a much better relationship with Pakistan and its leaders. I want to thank them for their cooperation on many fronts.</p>— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/919003314674634752?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 14, 2017</a></blockquote>
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What's changed since October 2017?

 

[Yossarian]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Starting to develop a much better relationship with Pakistan and its leaders. I want to thank them for their cooperation on many fronts.</p>— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/919003314674634752?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 14, 2017</a></blockquote>
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What's changed since October 2017?

See my post #36 above.

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...fools-quot-Donald-Trump&p=9546367#post9546367

 

[ahsan17]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Starting to develop a much better relationship with Pakistan and its leaders. I want to thank them for their cooperation on many fronts.</p>— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/919003314674634752?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 14, 2017</a></blockquote>
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What's changed since October 2017?

He doesn't get his reputation for no reason. He's know for running hot and cold in a very short span of time. His disapproval rating of over 60%, by far the lowest of any president in recent history this soon after getting elected speaks volumes.

 

[cricketjoshila]

And again with the safe haven non sense. Where do these safe havens exist? No one can point out where they are but they are supposed to exist. Sounds like more lies and deceit from the US administration.

What is Quetta Shura and why its named so.

 

[cricketjoshila]

We both know your comprehension capabilty.

There are around 14,000 US troops which include a few thousand Trump sent , claiming he is going to win the war.

They can keep an eye on Paksitan but can never invade or go to war, which may be to your dislike.

American soldiers will continue to die in their occupation and eventually the American Joe Plummer public will want and end the war. When this happens the Tablian will take control and India's proxy terrorists will be gone. I hope you live to see the day

My comprehension capabilities outstrip yours by a long long way.Do not worry about it.

Who wants to win the war they have already achieved their objectives one might say.

Why will i dislike US not invading Pakistan?Why will i dislike not having a war right at my countrys door step?

If America wants to punish Pakistan, they can do it economically and they can bomb Pakistan without Pakistan being able to fire a bullet on American main land.

Americans are dying in wars since the Korean war and yet America fights wars.They have the worlds largest Military Industrial complez and they have the worlds largest war machine.Fighting wars is a necessity.

Good that you accept your support for terrorist Taliban.But they are not coming back.They will be a fringe element, surviving, may be of nuisance value but never having power.Taliban and its supporters will suffer more losses.Hope you live to see that day.

India is cultivating good will among the Afghans, that soft power goes a long way.

 

[cricketjoshila]

One word, Vietnam.

Afghanistan for the USA is Vietnam mark2.

Here's a serious question for you:
Does anyone seriously believe that an insurgency like the Afghan Taliban, whose fighters melt away into the general population anytime they want, and where their leaders can call up new recruits at will whenever they suffer losses, will be defeated, permanently, by the USA and allies?

The USA is caught between the Devil and the Deep Blue sea. It can't remove it's military presence completely (for the reasons you mention), but neither can it completely defeat the Afghan Taliban. ie A state of permanent war with all that it entails (including casualties)

Vietnam was an exception not the rule.Taliban is certainly not Vietcong.


US doesnt want to remove its military either.Has US ever totally left a country after war?


A low intensity war will hardly dent the US.US will retaliate and may even find one of those attacks an excuse to bomb another country.US will sit right in the heart of Asia and when time comes, launch its next war.

 

[ahsan17]

What is Quetta Shura and why its named so.

And what is the evidence of its presence there? Everything about Quetta shura seems to come from "sources" with never any evidence to back up the claims.

40-50% of Afghanistan is controlled by Taliban. They should first start looking at those safe havens before blaming others.

 

[cricketjoshila]

And what is the evidence of its presence there? Everything about Quetta shura seems to come from "sources" with never any evidence to back up the claims.

40-50% of Afghanistan is controlled by Taliban. They should first start looking at those safe havens before blaming others.

40-50%. Lol.

 

[chacha kashmiri]

My comprehension capabilities outstrip yours by a long long way.Do not worry about it.

Who wants to win the war they have already achieved their objectives one might say.

Why will i dislike US not invading Pakistan?Why will i dislike not having a war right at my countrys door step?

If America wants to punish Pakistan, they can do it economically and they can bomb Pakistan without Pakistan being able to fire a bullet on American main land.

Americans are dying in wars since the Korean war and yet America fights wars.They have the worlds largest Military Industrial complez and they have the worlds largest war machine.Fighting wars is a necessity.

Good that you accept your support for terrorist Taliban.But they are not coming back.They will be a fringe element, surviving, may be of nuisance value but never having power.Taliban and its supporters will suffer more losses.Hope you live to see that day.

India is cultivating good will among the Afghans, that soft power goes a long way.

Shareef and Modi are both puppets
Trying to modify their countries with a look to history while also westernising their country with American Godesses

 

[www787]

Iran protest
Pakistan has to pay $6bn in 6 months
Saudi plane sent for rulling party

That tweet wasn’t a random tweet .

 

[Yossarian]

Vietnam was an exception not the rule.Taliban is certainly not Vietcong.

No the Taliban is not the Vietcong. correct. However, after 16 years of war, the USA is no closer to eliminating the Afghan Taliban than it was 16 years, $trillions and thousands of casualties later.

US doesnt want to remove its military either.Has US ever totally left a country after war?

Yes, the aforementioned Vietnam. Presumably you've seen footage of US helicopters evacuating US citizens from the roof of the US Embassy?

A low intensity war will hardly dent the US.US will retaliate and may even find one of those attacks an excuse to bomb another country.US will sit right in the heart of Asia and when time comes, launch its next war.

But surely the whole point of Trumps new strategy is to 'defeat and remove the Taliban' is it not?

 

[GBK_Fan]

Pakistan is more stable now economically?? Says who ?? Are you new or did you not read the report that Pakistan is pretty much a ticking time bomb and is in massive financial debt. The only card they have is relief from China if cpec ever comes through or take more loans from world bank which it's not going to get.

They had balance of payment issues around 2008-10 also. They have a much stronger backer in china now

 

[Yossarian]

India is cultivating good will among the Afghans, that soft power goes a long way.

Of course it is. Amongst the corrupt politicians and warlords anyway. I'm betting they quite like the feel, taste and smell of Indian money, much of which ends up in their bank accounts in places like Switzerland.

 

[Eagle_Eye]

Of course it is. Amongst the corrupt politicians and warlords anyway. I'm betting they quite like the feel, taste and smell of Indian money, much of which ends up in their bank accounts in places like Switzerland.

Dubai is the hot favourite these days.

 

[Eagle_Eye]

No the Taliban is not the Vietcong. correct. However, after 16 years of war, the USA is no closer to eliminating the Afghan Taliban than it was 16 years, $trillions and thousands of casualties later.


Yes, the aforementioned Vietnam. Presumably you've seen footage of US helicopters evacuating US citizens from the roof of the US Embassy?


But surely the whole point of Trumps new strategy is to 'defeat and remove the Taliban' is it not?

And Somalia too..... perhaps he ought to watch black hawk down again. Ironically, it was the Pakistani UN peacekeepers came to the aid there as well!!...

 

[Bewal Express]

Trump is a knoob but its also important for PK to take stock and come together as a country. It needs to ween itself off aid and loans which only helps the elite and its boot polishers. Your average PK never sees a penny of these billions, the money ends up in Swiss banks.