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"Pakistan has given us nothing but lies and deceit, thinking of our leaders as fools" : Donald Trump

US has a permanent presence in Afghanistan, right where they want.From where they can keep an eye on Pakistan, Russia Iran and China.

Why will they want to leave?No reason whatsoever.They didnt leave Korea.They havent left Japan.They still have presence in Iraq.

This game is far far complex than you can comprehend.

None of that has anything to do with Trump. Those strategic plans were put in place by Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld far earlier.

Due to Trump's policies regarding TPP and others, we don't need to be in Afghanistan. You will be able to see the Chinese Dragon rising up from any place on Earth's surface.

What was inevitable come 2100 AD, Trump just accelerated so it will happen by 2050.

That is if the Earth is still habitable by then.
 
My comprehension capabilities outstrip yours by a long long way.Do not worry about it.

Who wants to win the war they have already achieved their objectives one might say.

Why will i dislike US not invading Pakistan?Why will i dislike not having a war right at my countrys door step?

If America wants to punish Pakistan, they can do it economically and they can bomb Pakistan without Pakistan being able to fire a bullet on American main land.

Americans are dying in wars since the Korean war and yet America fights wars.They have the worlds largest Military Industrial complez and they have the worlds largest war machine.Fighting wars is a necessity.

Good that you accept your support for terrorist Taliban.But they are not coming back.They will be a fringe element, surviving, may be of nuisance value but never having power.Taliban and its supporters will suffer more losses.Hope you live to see that day.

India is cultivating good will among the Afghans, that soft power goes a long way.

You have proven your skills in this thread.

You have been given two simple facts.. It's a 16 year war and the Taliban have influence or control in around 50% of Afghanistan. Its their longest ever war and one where there was a coalition of over 40 nations but most have left with their tail between their legs.

The Taliban is the name of the Afghan resistance, made up by dozens of groups. If you think people who resist occupation are terrorists then you I suggest you check every moral and universal law. But its not a surprise as you think Kashmiri's who resist Indian occupation are also terrorists.

Your optimism is hilarious thinking Pakistan will be bombed by America. When Indians can't do it themselves they beg Americans to do their bidding. Soft power in Afghanistan? lol.. It's one of the most poorest nations, the only reason India is there is to support terrorist attacks in Pakistan. India a terrorist state in more than one way.
 
Dubai is the hot favourite these days.
Nearer I suppose. Plus easier to meld in if required - Trim the beard, put on a thobe, replace the Afghan hat with a ghutrah, stick on a pair of dark sunglasses, and hey presto! Could easily pass off as an Arab - not so easy to meld in with the locals in Switzerland.
 
This tweet from trump has 200k likes on Twitter more than half I bet are from the Indian diaspora. This is pretty funny considering Trump is all about stopping mass immigration which will hurt India the most since 80% of working visas are issued to Indians.
 
This tweet from trump has 200k likes on Twitter more than half I bet are from the Indian diaspora. This is pretty funny considering Trump is all about stopping mass immigration which will hurt India the most since 80% of working visas are issued to Indians.

Some of the comments on twitter are hilarious, some Americans asking Trump to shut up and behave like a statesman but Indians were asking Americans to respect their GREAT leader Trump :))
 
I still don't understand what the fuss is all about. It's a mere $255M. The Sharifs and the Zardaris have probably more than this sitting in their offshore bank accounts.

Secondly, the US is a known sucker in these cases. They've already been fleeced to the tune of $33B and they'll continue to pay till the cows come home. Internally there is a huge political problem for them if they see dead bodies of their soldiers come back in body bags. So they'd always want to outsource their dirty war to someone else.

Pak shouldn't worry. The money will come.
 
I still don't understand what the fuss is all about. It's a mere $255M. The Sharifs and the Zardaris have probably more than this sitting in their offshore bank accounts.

Secondly, the US is a known sucker in these cases. They've already been fleeced to the tune of $33B and they'll continue to pay till the cows come home. Internally there is a huge political problem for them if they see dead bodies of their soldiers come back in body bags. So they'd always want to outsource their dirty war to someone else.

Pak shouldn't worry. The money will come.

Fleeced? The war on terror cost Pakistan over $100 billion since 9/11 and thousands lives, get outta with your snarky behind.
 
Fleeced? The war on terror cost Pakistan over $100 billion since 9/11 and thousands lives, get outta with your snarky behind.

Not sure why you're getting all upset when I'm telling you that the money will come! Have patience and chill.

Where is this $100B number coming from BTW? Someone mentioned in another thread that Pak's annual defense budget is $9B. If that's true, then for 16 years that would be approximately $150B give-or-take. Are you telling us that Pak military deploys 2/3 of its resources on running the Afghan operation on behalf of Uncle Sam? So only 1/3 on fighting the real enemy called India? Seems something fishy.

I think this number is coming from the same accounting firm that put out $70M number for 'losses' from the missed India cricket series. Someone has been dreaming up stuff.
 
Not sure why you're getting all upset when I'm telling you that the money will come! Have patience and chill.

Where is this $100B number coming from BTW? Someone mentioned in another thread that Pak's annual defense budget is $9B. If that's true, then for 16 years that would be approximately $150B give-or-take. Are you telling us that Pak military deploys 2/3 of its resources on running the Afghan operation on behalf of Uncle Sam? So only 1/3 on fighting the real enemy called India? Seems something fishy.

I think this number is coming from the same accounting firm that put out $70M number for 'losses' from the missed India cricket series. Someone has been dreaming up stuff.

I think the $100 bil number is coming from the loss in GDP due to the security situation in Pakistan. Heck, Pak can't even play cricket in its own country because of the mess it has to deal with in its western border.

The losses Pakistan suffered and continues to suffer cannot be priced. But nonetheless, it is shambolic that Pakistans image around the world has regressed this far and that has more to do with incompetency of its leadership than complicity.
 
Predicting Trumps next tweet to be "we give INDIA billions of dollars worth of TRADE every year and let them even take our JOBS but they can't help us out by sending troops to Afghanistan!" #NoMoreH1b

Then there goes your economy...
 
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That is not the main point, however. US has not fulfilled their main objective, just like how they couldn't in Vietnam.

It hasn't left Afghanistan either. The long term outcome can result in a defeat for Taliban by two different ways:

1) The US makes deals with warlords to defeat the Taliban.

2) The ISIS gets stronger and engages in a fratricidal war with the Taliban.

Both the above outcomes are bad for the Afghani people, but so is a Taliban victory.
 
It would be nice if just for once our Indian brothers would acknowledge the heavy loss of lives our people have suffered due us initially fighting the Soviet’s on America’s behalf and then standing shoulder to shoulder with America in their so-called fight against terror.

Pakistan did not start this war, it had nothing to do with Pakistan.

Actually the Taliban was supported by the Pakistani Army and ISI long before 9/11. And the Taliban decided that giving Bin Laden sanctuary while he plotted 9/11 was a good idea. After 9/11 Pakistan can hardly blame anyone else for being dragged into the "War on Terror".
 
I find it so interesting that Indian posters are fascinated by all this :)

Truth is we are all losers with Trump in power.
 
Actually the Taliban was supported by the Pakistani Army and ISI long before 9/11. And the Taliban decided that giving Bin Laden sanctuary while he plotted 9/11 was a good idea. After 9/11 Pakistan can hardly blame anyone else for being dragged into the "War on Terror".

You are missing one little detail. USA created taliban . . . long before 9/11 if my memory serves me right. Thats what they do for a living. Create rebel groups and miltias, arm them to the tooth to fight USA's enemies far away from USA on their own soil and when the objective is achieved, just put their hands in the pockets and say that they have nothing to do with the mess left in the end. The know how to create problems but not how to end them.
 
Fleeced? The war on terror cost Pakistan over $100 billion since 9/11 and thousands lives, get outta with your snarky behind.

LOL 100 Billion :)), your current GDP is only around 240 Billion, so there is no way Pakistan can spend 100 Billion... Cute, but don't just believe your politicians that keep taking cash from the US for drone raids on your soil....
 
You are missing one little detail. USA created taliban . . . long before 9/11 if my memory serves me right. Thats what they do for a living. Create rebel groups and miltias, arm them to the tooth to fight USA's enemies far away from USA on their own soil and when the objective is achieved, just put their hands in the pockets and say that they have nothing to do with the mess left in the end. The know how to create problems but not how to end them.

I agree with you that the US is not blameless in all this. CIA, ISI, Pak military etc. are all bad actors. They all think they are very smart but in the end create a mess, and unfortunately the common people pay the price.

The US "deep state" (which includes the CIA) and "establishment" really hates Trump for different reasons, one of which is that he speaks what is on his mind without a filter.
 
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LOL 100 Billion :)), your current GDP is only around 240 Billion, so there is no way Pakistan can spend 100 Billion... Cute, but don't just believe your politicians that keep taking cash from the US for drone raids on your soil....

Actually Ive had a re-think, possibly true that Pakistan may have lost $100 billion. Considering every mess that Pakistan has gotten into since its creation, I would not put it past them...
 
The US lost an average of 6,000 troops a year over ten years in Vietnam. US losses have averaged 17 troops the last 3 years in Afghanistan.

http://icasualties.org/
At a time when military technology was far less advanced compared with now around 50 years later, surveillance as well as attack capabilities of drones didn't exist, infra-red night vision and other similar technologies were either very basic in comparison or didn't exist, ..... just to name a few factors in terms of affecting the casualty figures. So comparing casualty numbers between then and now simply shows the lack in your level of understanding of modern warfare as opposed to warfare of 50+ years ago.

And why compare just the last 3 years, and not the whole 16 years since the US entered Afghanistan?
 
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I find it so interesting that Indian posters are fascinated by all this :)

Truth is we are all losers with Trump in power.

It depends on your outlook. Many Indians may themselves feel helpless and lacking conviction to wave the danda at Pakistan themselves, thus they are content to act as Trump's cheerleaders via social media. Personally I find it rather sad and humiliating that they are rubber stamping partition by supporting third parties from another continent to act as the subcontinent policeman, but when they themselves are calling for Partition 2.0 and 3.0, then we should probably lower our expectations.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Great start. Why give millions to countries who would harbor our enemies? <a href="https://t.co/gAuUOjziDT">https://t.co/gAuUOjziDT</a></p>— Donald Trump Jr. (@DonaldJTrumpJr) <a href="https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/947985449116667904?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 2, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Actually the Taliban was supported by the Pakistani Army and ISI long before 9/11. And the Taliban decided that giving Bin Laden sanctuary while he plotted 9/11 was a good idea. After 9/11 Pakistan can hardly blame anyone else for being dragged into the "War on Terror".

the taliban were supported by the united states, saudi arabia, the uae and turkey along with Pakistan. I suggest you go back and do some reading.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Great start. Why give millions to countries who would harbor our enemies? <a href="https://t.co/gAuUOjziDT">https://t.co/gAuUOjziDT</a></p>— Donald Trump Jr. (@DonaldJTrumpJr) <a href="https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/947985449116667904?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 2, 2018</a></blockquote>
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man he really is goading these incompetent nooras now lol
 
I think he's brilliant. Every other world leader has a boring, PR curated Twitter handle but Trump says it like it is. From this tweet to 'covfefe' and everything in between, you know that it is him doing the tweeting which makes the experience all the more authentic.

Every other President and Prime Minister should take cue. That includes you too, Modi - we know your English is not as good as on your Twitter for starters.

Except he doesn't "tell it like it is" - Trump's an habitual liar who resorts to cheap and petty insults that'd make even a YouTube troll cringe. There's a reason why the rest of the world thankfully doesn't "take his cue".

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Why would Kim Jong-un insult me by calling me "old," when I would NEVER call him "short and fat?" Oh well, I try so hard to be his friend - and maybe someday that will happen!</p>— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/929511061954297857?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 12, 2017</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Crazy Joe Scarborough and dumb as a rock Mika are not bad people, but their low rated show is dominated by their NBC bosses. Too bad!</p>— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/881140479454310401?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 1, 2017</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">...to Mar-a-Lago 3 nights in a row around New Year's Eve, and insisted on joining me. She was bleeding badly from a face-lift. I said no!</p>— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/880410114456465411?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 29, 2017</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">...Such poor leadership ability by the Mayor of San Juan, and others in Puerto Rico, who are not able to get their workers to help. They....</p>— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/914089003745468417?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 30, 2017</a></blockquote>
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But if you find playground insults towards fellow world leaders, sexist insults towards female news anchors, attacking a sitting Mayor after a devastating natural disaster and retweeting lies from far-right organisations "brilliant" and something other world leaders should follow then that doesn't reflect well on you as a human being.
 
PM chairs NSC meeting to discuss Trump's accusations

Prime Minister Shahid Khaqan Abbasi is chairing a meeting of the National Security Council (NSC) to discuss US President Donald Trump's most recent accusations against Pakistan.

In his first tweet of the new year, Trump had accused Pakistan of basing its relationship with the US on “nothing but lies and deceit”.

“They give safe haven to the terrorists we hunt in Afghanistan, with little help. No more!” the US president had said.

Pakistan's ambassador to the US has been summoned to the NSC meeting, which will look to discuss Pakistan's response to President Trump's fresh tirade while also reviewing the country's overall foreign policy, DawnNews reported.

Shortly before the meeting commenced, the military had finalised its suggestions for Pakistan's response to Trump's allegations in a Corps Commanders' Conference held at General Headquarters.

A meeting of the Parliamentary Committee on National Security has also been called on January 5 to discuss the US's allegations.

Worsening relations
The US president's tweet had come in the aftermath of an increasingly terse back-and-forth between Washington and Islamabad since Trump announced his administration's latest national security strategy.

During the announcement, the US president had been quick to remind Pakistan of its 'obligation' to help America "because it receives massive payments" from Washington every year.

"We have made clear to Pakistan that while we desire continued partnership, we must see decisive action against terrorist groups operating on their territory. And we make massive payments every year to Pakistan. They have to help," the US president had said.

A Pentagon report to the US Congress, released to the media on Dec 17, had said Washington would also take 'unilateral steps' in areas of divergence with Pakistan while expanding cooperation between the two countries where their interests converge.

Subsequently, US Vice President Mike Pence had, in a surprise visit to Afghanistan's Bagram airbase on Dec 22, warned that Trump has "put Pakistan on notice" in what was the harshest US warning to Islamabad since the beginning of the Afghan war over 16 years ago.

Official sources had told Dawn last week that the Trump administration was also considering withholding $255 million from a fund meant to provide military training and equipment to Pakistan, adding to already existing cuts on reimbursements.

Source link:https://www.dawn.com/news/1380351/pm-chairs-nsc-meeting-to-discuss-trumps-accusations
 
Except he doesn't "tell it like it is" - Trump's an habitual liar who resorts to cheap and petty insults that'd make even a YouTube troll cringe. There's a reason why the rest of the world thankfully doesn't "take his cue".

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Why would Kim Jong-un insult me by calling me "old," when I would NEVER call him "short and fat?" Oh well, I try so hard to be his friend - and maybe someday that will happen!</p>— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/929511061954297857?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 12, 2017</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Crazy Joe Scarborough and dumb as a rock Mika are not bad people, but their low rated show is dominated by their NBC bosses. Too bad!</p>— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/881140479454310401?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 1, 2017</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">...to Mar-a-Lago 3 nights in a row around New Year's Eve, and insisted on joining me. She was bleeding badly from a face-lift. I said no!</p>— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/880410114456465411?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 29, 2017</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">...Such poor leadership ability by the Mayor of San Juan, and others in Puerto Rico, who are not able to get their workers to help. They....</p>— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/914089003745468417?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 30, 2017</a></blockquote>
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But if you find playground insults towards fellow world leaders, sexist insults towards female news anchors, attacking a sitting Mayor after a devastating natural disaster and retweeting lies from far-right organisations "brilliant" and something other world leaders should follow then that doesn't reflect well on you as a human being.

Well said...

I know most of Trump’s supporters are Indians and that makes even more sense now. From his initial plan to ban Muslims to tweeting against Pakistan sits nicely with his extreme right wing supporters and of course with a vast number of Indian Hindus...

Yet this is a man who has insulted women and has had multiple allegations of sex offences against him.
That and with everything else I just don’t understand how people can back this man.
 
Except he doesn't "tell it like it is" - Trump's an habitual liar who resorts to cheap and petty insults that'd make even a YouTube troll cringe. There's a reason why the rest of the world thankfully doesn't "take his cue".

Looks like you spectacularly missed the point. If Trump is a liar and is insulting and cringeworthy, his Twitter handle and style ensures that you can see it yourself and draw a conclusion from it - good or bad.

On the other hand, you will get nothing from the likes of your preferred candidate in Bernie Sanders if he had become President, who would have cleverly outsourced the task to others in the whitehouse with enough checks and balances in place to ensure that the resultant tweets have as much punch as a cup of vanilla ice cream. It was the same with Obama - could you draw from his tweets that he was going to plunder the likes of Libya and Syria and what he thought of world leaders? No? In fact, do you remember any of his tweets at all? Exactly.
 
It depends on your outlook. Many Indians may themselves feel helpless and lacking conviction to wave the danda at Pakistan themselves, thus they are content to act as Trump's cheerleaders via social media. Personally I find it rather sad and humiliating that they are rubber stamping partition by supporting third parties from another continent to act as the subcontinent policeman, but when they themselves are calling for Partition 2.0 and 3.0, then we should probably lower our expectations.

:)) kuch bhi....

India has been saying the same thing about Pakistan about the deceit and nuisance value it brings at the international forum for a while.

Obviously it feels good to hear the president of the most powerful country in the world validate what you have been saying for a while. So how has India got a new found voice or hiding behind trump ???

What has this got to do with partition lol....that’s the lamest analogy I have ever heard....is there some religious angle to this that I am missing?
 
:)) kuch bhi....

India has been saying the same thing about Pakistan about the deceit and nuisance value it brings at the international forum for a while.

Obviously it feels good to hear the president of the most powerful country in the world validate what you have been saying for a while. So how has India got a new found voice or hiding behind trump ???

What has this got to do with partition lol....that’s the lamest analogy I have ever heard....is there some religious angle to this that I am missing?

I wouldn't get too excited if I were you, he has a habit of turning on people/countries at the drop of a hat. Only in October he was complimenting pakistan on twitter then all of a sudden pakistan is their enemy.
 
I wouldn't get too excited if I were you, he has a habit of turning on people/countries at the drop of a hat. Only in October he was complimenting pakistan on twitter then all of a sudden pakistan is their enemy.

There is nothing to be excited about... it is just an official statement coming from a guy elected to the highest office in the world which validates what India has been saying for the last few years.

Surprisingly among all the statements he has been making, this is one of those rare ones that majority even in the US are in agreement with and are not ridiculing him for it.... that says something doesn’t it?
 
I wouldn't get too excited if I were you, he has a habit of turning on people/countries at the drop of a hat. Only in October he was complimenting pakistan on twitter then all of a sudden pakistan is their enemy.
Nah. He's surrounding himself with Israel supporters and those of (subcontinental) Indian backgrounds. He's doing whatever they're whispering in his ears.
 
:)) kuch bhi....

India has been saying the same thing about Pakistan about the deceit and nuisance value it brings at the international forum for a while.

Obviously it feels good to hear the president of the most powerful country in the world validate what you have been saying for a while. So how has India got a new found voice or hiding behind trump ???

What has this got to do with partition lol....that’s the lamest analogy I have ever heard....is there some religious angle to this that I am missing?

I have no idea, if you are seeing a religious angle then it's probably rattling around in your brain for some reason.

But regardless, if you need to feel validated by "the president of the most powerful country" that itself proves my point.

Give me a T, give me an R, give me a U-M-P! :108::108::108:
 
Looks like you spectacularly missed the point. If Trump is a liar and is insulting and cringeworthy, his Twitter handle and style ensures that you can see it yourself and draw a conclusion from it - good or bad.

On the other hand, you will get nothing from the likes of your preferred candidate in Bernie Sanders if he had become President, who would have cleverly outsourced the task to others in the whitehouse with enough checks and balances in place to ensure that the resultant tweets have as much punch as a cup of vanilla ice cream. It was the same with Obama - could you draw from his tweets that he was going to plunder the likes of Libya and Syria and what he thought of world leaders? No? In fact, do you remember any of his tweets at all? Exactly.

Twitter shouldn't be a tool for foreign policy, we all knew the eventa leading up to the qar in Libya and Syria. We don't need the President spending his time tweeting about what he's thinking and plans to do.
 
Looks like you spectacularly missed the point. If Trump is a liar and is insulting and cringeworthy, his Twitter handle and style ensures that you can see it yourself and draw a conclusion from it - good or bad.

On the other hand, you will get nothing from the likes of your preferred candidate in Bernie Sanders if he had become President, who would have cleverly outsourced the task to others in the whitehouse with enough checks and balances in place to ensure that the resultant tweets have as much punch as a cup of vanilla ice cream. It was the same with Obama - could you draw from his tweets that he was going to plunder the likes of Libya and Syria and what he thought of world leaders? No? In fact, do you remember any of his tweets at all? Exactly.
No I got your point and its lunacy. Where would you draw the line if this is the level of political discourse you want ? Would you be a fan of the antics of President Duterte of the Philippines then - someone who openly calls for slaughtering drug addicts, yells obscenities at other countries and gives middle fingers in press conferences ? At least "you know where you'd stand" and his comments would be "memorable" going by this logic.

Regardless of whether a leader's policies are right or wrong, the bare minimum they should do is conduct themselves with restraint and dignity. Their job isn't to entertain you. Trump by retweeting lies from extremist groups, undermining an independent investigation, inciting violence against journalists, and attacking federal judges undermines the democratic process.

Also, don't you realise how counterproductive this megaphone diplomacy is ?

All these warmongering against North Korea makes it impossible for their leadership to compromise and show willingness to negotiate. In threatening to tear up the Iran deal repeatedly on Twitter, the most pro-Western Iranian President in years gets undermined by the hardliners who opposed his negotiations with the West from the start. Why would Pakistan suddenly budge hearing these tirades ?
 
:)) kuch bhi....

India has been saying the same thing about Pakistan about the deceit and nuisance value it brings at the international forum for a while.

Obviously it feels good to hear the president of the most powerful country in the world validate what you have been saying for a while. So how has India got a new found voice or hiding behind trump ???

What has this got to do with partition lol....that’s the lamest analogy I have ever heard....is there some religious angle to this that I am missing?

If India is basing their logic on what Trump is basing on then suggest there are some deeper issues that need dealing with. In India.
 
At a time when military technology was far less advanced compared with now around 50 years later, surveillance as well as attack capabilities of drones didn't exist, infra-red night vision and other similar technologies were either very basic in comparison or didn't exist, ..... just to name a few factors in terms of affecting the casualty figures. So comparing casualty numbers between then and now simply shows the lack in your level of understanding of modern warfare as opposed to warfare of 50+ years ago.

And why compare just the last 3 years, and not the whole 16 years since the US entered Afghanistan?

You said that Afghanistan was "Vietnam Mark 2". Yes, casualties are down because of technology. However, the relevant thing is that casualties are down. Lower casualties mean the US public will have more toleration for continuing this war. Believe me, the person who wanted to accept defeat and end the war the most was Obama. If he did not do it, it will be a while before a future US President does so.
 
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Seriously, this is the official reply?
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Pres Trump quoted figure of $33billion given to PAK over last 15yrs,he can hire a US based Audit firm on our expense to verify this figure & let the world know who is lying & deceiving..</p>— Khawaja M. Asif (@KhawajaMAsif) <a href="https://twitter.com/KhawajaMAsif/status/948201021356085248?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 2, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Seriously, this is the official reply?

Apparently they held a meeting to discuss this reply.
 
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Seriously, this is the official reply?

I hope there is more to come. This is a poor comeback but what do you expect from people who dont want the aid to stop.
 
the taliban were supported by the united states, saudi arabia, the uae and turkey along with Pakistan. I suggest you go back and do some reading.

The Taliban emerged in 1994 and largely consisted of students trained in madrassas in Pakistan. By that time the US had lost most of it interest in Afghanistan.

While it is true that countries other than Pakistan supported them, they were most enthusiastically promoted by the ISI which saw them as a means of having influence in Afghanistan.

It doesn't matter who else supported the Taliban, the point is that at this time Pakistan cannot say "we have been dragged into this war against our wishes." It needs to make a clean break with the Taliban.

The true cost of Pakistani meddling in Afghanistan and Kashmir via the ISI are not borne by those countries, but rather by the common Pakistani citizen as the insecurity and Army domination of the economy kills economic development.
 
The Taliban emerged in 1994 and largely consisted of students trained in madrassas in Pakistan. By that time the US had lost most of it interest in Afghanistan.

yes and no. The core of the Taliban are Afghans from afghanistan otherwise it is an unsustainable movement. It was augmented by afghans from madrassas in pakistan but their core leadership was afghani and had its base of support in the pushtoon heartland. They were supported by Pakistan with the explicit "go" from the americans and the saudis who also provided funding. The americans were negotiating right up until 9/11.

While it is true that countries other than Pakistan supported them, they were most enthusiastically promoted by the ISI which saw them as a means of having influence in Afghanistan.

yes like RAW supported the northern alliance. The taliban were a reaction to the rape and murder of young boys and women by northern alliance warlords. This is a fact. India supported the norther alliance.

It doesn't matter who else supported the Taliban, the point is that at this time Pakistan cannot say "we have been dragged into this war against our wishes." It needs to make a clean break with the Taliban.

We have been dragged into this war. But what is the war? The war is the US desire to fight the people they once supported for their own means. This is against our interests but we were forced to fight against our interests by coercion, threats and money. No more.

The true cost of Pakistani meddling in Afghanistan and Kashmir via the ISI are not borne by those countries, but rather by the common Pakistani citizen as the insecurity and Army domination of the economy kills economic development.


Essentially what you have done is blame the deaths of every Pakistani civilian on the pakistani military and government. This is a common trope from racist Indians who cheer at the sight of dead pakistanis. The "see ub maza aya tujay musllay" (excuse the racist word there but I need to make a point)

Your obsessed with trying to show us , what you perceive is our deserved awkat.

Well guess what. it wont work on this forum. Now let me educate you, Pakistan has been fighting the afghans since the 1950's when they invaded our land and tried to create a pukhtoonistan. They supported proxies right from then till now with the help of India and the soviets. You remember the soviets the empire you were best friends with? Reagan called them the evil empire if you may recall. By the time the 70's came along we had to hit back and found our opportunity to at least stop afghanistan's attempt at dismembering our country.

We made some mistakes, but now we know how the game is played. The last decade has taught us about modern warfare. We know what we are involved in and we are all in. Your country is too. So stop pretending your angels and the "good guys" there are none. Only interests and we will guard ours as you yours.
 
Essentially what you have done is blame the deaths of every Pakistani civilian on the pakistani military and government. This is a common trope from racist Indians who cheer at the sight of dead pakistanis. The "see ub maza aya tujay musllay" (excuse the racist word there but I need to make a point)

Your obsessed with trying to show us , what you perceive is our deserved awkat.

Well guess what. it wont work on this forum. Now let me educate you, Pakistan has been fighting the afghans since the 1950's when they invaded our land and tried to create a pukhtoonistan. They supported proxies right from then till now with the help of India and the soviets. You remember the soviets the empire you were best friends with? Reagan called them the evil empire if you may recall. By the time the 70's came along we had to hit back and found our opportunity to at least stop afghanistan's attempt at dismembering our country.

We made some mistakes, but now we know how the game is played. The last decade has taught us about modern warfare. We know what we are involved in and we are all in. Your country is too. So stop pretending your angels and the "good guys" there are none. Only interests and we will guard ours as you yours.

Afghans openly meddled in the 60s and 70s in our Pashtun heartlands. So their whining is hilariously rich now. Their country is even an insult to the term third world.
 
Afghans openly meddled in the 60s and 70s in our Pashtun heartlands. So their whining is hilariously rich now. Their country is even an insult to the term third world.

Moreover an Afghan agent killed Pakistan's first prime minister, though some say he worked for the soviets
 
The seventeenth meeting of the National Security Committee (NSC) on Tuesday expressed "deep disappointment" at the allegations levelled against Pakistan by US President Donald Trump, saying the accusations strike at the trust between the two countries and negate the sacrifices rendered by the Pakistani nation.

Chaired by Prime Minister Shahid Khaqan Abbasi and attended by high-level civil-military leadership, the meeting observed that Pakistan has fought the war against terrorism primarily using its own resources and at a great cost to its economy.

"... even more importantly the huge sacrifices made by Pakistan, including the loss of tens of thousands of lives ... could not be trivialised so heartlessly by pushing all of it behind a monetary value – and that too an imagined one," a press release issued after the meeting in Islamabad said, in a reference to Trump's claim that the US has "foolishly" given Pakistan over $33 billion in aid over the last 15 years.

The committee observed that President Trump's allegations were puzzling because they stand in contrast to the "positive direction" US and Pakistani officials had been pursuing through close interaction in the wake of Trump's South Asia policy announcement in August.

The US president's allegations were "completely incomprehensible as they contradicted facts manifestly, struck with great insensitivity at the trust between [the] two nations built over generations, and negated the decades of sacrifices made by the Pakistani nation", the handout said.

Foreign Minister Khawaja Asif, Interior Minister Ahsan Iqbal, Defence Minister Khurram Dastgir, Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff Committee Gen Zubair Mehmood Hayat, Chief of Army Staff Gen Qamar Javed Bajwa, Chief of Naval Staff Admiral Zafar Mahmood Abbasi, Air Chief Marshal Sohail Aman, Adviser to PM on Finance, Revenue and Economic Affairs Miftah Ismail, National Security Adviser (NSA) Nasser Khan Janjua, Pakistan’s Ambassador to the US Aizaz Ahmad Chaudhry, and senior civil and military officials attended the meeting.

In his first tweet of the new year, Trump had accused Pakistan of basing its relationship with the US on “nothing but lies and deceit”.

"The United States has foolishly given Pakistan more than 33 billion dollars in aid over the last 15 years," he had said.

“They give safe haven to the terrorists we hunt in Afghanistan, with little help. No more!”

Pakistan's ambassador to the US was summoned to the NSC meeting, which discussed Pakistan's response to President Trump's fresh tirade while also reviewing the country's overall foreign policy, DawnNews reported.

Shortly before the meeting commenced, the military had finalised its suggestions for Pakistan's response to Trump's allegations in a Corps Commanders' Conference held at General Headquarters.

A meeting of the Parliamentary Committee on National Security has also been called on January 5 to discuss the US's allegations.

Audit of $33bn aid figure can reveal who is 'lying & deceiving': Asif
Following the NSC meeting, Foreign Minister Khawaja Asif challenged President Trump's claim that the US has given Pakistan "more than 33 billion dollars in aid over the last 15 years", saying verification by an audit firm would prove the US president wrong.

The foreign minister offered that Trump could hire a US-based audit firm "on our expense" to verify the $33 billion aid figure and "let the world know who is lying & deceiving".

The Pakistan Army spokesman, Maj Gen Asif Ghafoor, had at a press conference last week asserted that the aid Pakistan received from the US was "reimbursement for support we gave to the coalition for its fight against Al Qaeda."

"Had we not supported the US and Afghanistan, they would never have been able to defeat Al Qaeda," he had said.

Worsening relations
The US president's tweet had come in the aftermath of an increasingly terse back-and-forth between Washington and Islamabad since Trump announced his administration's latest national security strategy.

During the announcement, the US president had been quick to remind Pakistan of its 'obligation' to help America "because it receives massive payments" from Washington every year.

"We have made clear to Pakistan that while we desire continued partnership, we must see decisive action against terrorist groups operating on their territory. And we make massive payments every year to Pakistan. They have to help," the US president had said.

A Pentagon report to the US Congress, released to the media on Dec 17, had said Washington would also take 'unilateral steps' in areas of divergence with Pakistan while expanding cooperation between the two countries where their interests converge.

Subsequently, US Vice President Mike Pence had, in a surprise visit to Afghanistan's Bagram airbase on Dec 22, warned that Trump has "put Pakistan on notice" in what was the harshest US warning to Islamabad since the beginning of the Afghan war over 16 years ago.

Official sources had told Dawn last week that the Trump administration was also considering withholding $255 million from a fund meant to provide military training and equipment to Pakistan, adding to already existing cuts on reimbursements.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1380351/t...tradict-facts-negate-pakistani-sacrifices-nsc
 
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Seriously, this is the official reply?

Why will Pakistan allow a US firm to Audit them?Will they give access to military expenses?

Is this a rebuttal or a request?
 
If India is basing their logic on what Trump is basing on then suggest there are some deeper issues that need dealing with. In India.

Why does everything have to be black or white?

Let us take example of Modi another world leader who evokes extreme emotions....most of his reasonable supporters admitted that the demonization implementation was a failure where as even some of his reasonable critics felt on
Paper or in theory it was a good idea.

trust me I am no trump fan and I believe most reasonable Indians are not going crazy with happiness because this tweet had an Anti-Pakistan sentiment just for the heck of it.

whatever Trump has said in his tweet has been brought up by India many times in various forums which has been disputed by Pakistan before but now this can be considered an official validation straight from the horses mouth.

I don’t think any American president in the last 16 years has said Pakistan takes aid but doesn’t use it for the right reasons...how is it something that can be brushed under the carpet...it is the American president for cryin out loud no matter what you think of him.it is pretty significant.

Surprisingly there is a strong anti-trump sentiment in USA but this quote which is a pretty significant from a world political standpoint has either found support or ignored by the portion of the media that jump and scrutinize everything Trump says.
 
Trump briefed by Pakistan's enemies: Imran Khan

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf chairman Imran Khan on Tuesday said US President Donald Trump was briefed by enemies of Pakistan, a day after the US President accused Islamabad of "lies and deceit".

“ Anyone who is aware of the facts is not prepared to accept Trump’s statement, ” Khan said while talking to reporters..

He said Pakistan bore the brunt of the war , incurring loss to the tunes 100 billion dollars and losing 70,000 lives.

Trump's statement implies that he didn't have background knowledge of war.

"I always said it is not our war, we should not join it. Unfortunately, the money Trump is talking about has caused destruction and is bringing humiliation to us. Pakistan rendered sacrifices, incurred losses and still we are being humiliated.

American President is pursuing agenda of our enemies. We should learn the lesson that we will get humiliated and destroyed, if we fight someone else war for money.

I was called Taliban Khan, when I had said this war is not ours, I was ridiculed and called rightest, but today facts have emerged ."

https://www.thenews.com.pk/latest/263646-trump-briefed-by-pakistans-enemies-imran-khan
 
I agree with imran, Donald Trump is towing the line of Pakistans enemies, it's gonna come back and bite him in the ***.
 
I agree with imran, Donald Trump is towing the line of Pakistans enemies, it's gonna come back and bite him in the ***.

Was that your main takeaway from what he said?

From what I understood He did validate that Pakistan did take money from the US.

Obviously Imran being Imran made it about him in the end :))

Simple had Pakistan gone all in with the US on the war of terror or gone the Imran route(easier said than done) Would have been better...trying to
Appease everyone is what has resulted in this.
 
Essentially what you have done is blame the deaths of every Pakistani civilian on the pakistani military and government.

Assigning blame is little use. The point is to develop the right understanding of the world so that you can improve the situation.

This is a common trope from racist Indians who cheer at the sight of dead pakistanis. The "see ub maza aya tujay musllay" (excuse the racist word there but I need to make a point). Your obsessed with trying to show us , what you perceive is our deserved awkat.

It is unfortunate that is the message you get from my posts.

Well guess what. it wont work on this forum.

You think "winning" an "argument" here makes any significant difference anywhere?
 
Was that your main takeaway from what he said?

From what I understood He did validate that Pakistan did take money from the US.

Obviously Imran being Imran made it about him in the end :))

Simple had Pakistan gone all in with the US on the war of terror or gone the Imran route(easier said than done) Would have been better...trying to
Appease everyone is what has resulted in this.

Are you dumb or what? They paid us money for using our transit system. A very tiny fraction of it was aid. Even toilet paper of US soldiers in Afghanistan goes through Pakistan.
 
Are you dumb or what? They paid us money for using our transit system. A very tiny fraction of it was aid. Even toilet paper of US soldiers in Afghanistan goes through Pakistan.

Ah I see....If I am understanding you correctly 99.9% of the 32 billion given by US was for supplies like toilet paper etc for and the negligible amount of change left was aid...what is this a gratuity or something?

You have outdone yourself amazing!!!
 
Ah I see....If I am understanding you correctly 99.9% of the 32 billion given by US was for supplies like toilet paper etc for and the negligible amount of change left was aid...what is this a gratuity or something?

You have outdone yourself amazing!!!

Its been explained but it appears you're missing vital brain cells.

The 'aid' is the CSF, the coalition support fund. Which they pay us to use our transit routes for their entire war machinery, for our roads, our airspace, food, fuel etc. Its not free.
 
Why does everything have to be black or white?

Let us take example of Modi another world leader who evokes extreme emotions....most of his reasonable supporters admitted that the demonization implementation was a failure where as even some of his reasonable critics felt on
Paper or in theory it was a good idea.

trust me I am no trump fan and I believe most reasonable Indians are not going crazy with happiness because this tweet had an Anti-Pakistan sentiment just for the heck of it.

whatever Trump has said in his tweet has been brought up by India many times in various forums which has been disputed by Pakistan before but now this can be considered an official validation straight from the horses mouth.

I don’t think any American president in the last 16 years has said Pakistan takes aid but doesn’t use it for the right reasons...how is it something that can be brushed under the carpet...it is the American president for cryin out loud no matter what you think of him.it is pretty significant.

Surprisingly there is a strong anti-trump sentiment in USA but this quote which is a pretty significant from a world political standpoint has either found support or ignored by the portion of the media that jump and scrutinize everything Trump says.

What Trump or for that matter the US say is not validation for anything. They are a state with their own interests -- they are not the impartial jury that decide what's true and what's not like you suggest them to be. I see Indians repeat this so often, yet no one else thinks about the US this way.
 
What Trump or for that matter the US say is not validation for anything. They are a state with their own interests -- they are not the impartial jury that decide what's true and what's not like you suggest them to be. I see Indians repeat this so often, yet no one else thinks about the US this way.

So let me get this straight...the spin here is that the 33 billion was almost like a tax/toll fees or however you want to put it in layman’s term(I guess this is amazing logic and this Spin is definetely way beyond my comprehension :)) )

So US pays that money to Pakistan especially thinking in their minds that they are hunting for OBl who according to them is the most wanted man(even though you might think that as an American propaganda)

OBL is found hiding in Pak but then again it was US’s problem not to find him Sooner and Pak had no responsibility as they were pretty much like a leasing office(excuse me for using layman’s terms again) for their infrastructure and didnt care if either US was using their soil or OBL as long as the rent was paid. Hence,Donald Trump’s tweet was gibberish.

So in the end what is the moral of this story? US can’t complain as they were the suckers all along for spending pointless money for which Pakistan has a)No Accountability b) Infact Pakistan has suffered more damages so Probably US owes them a lot more money In return.

I am ok if guys who live in Pakistan have this narrative but it is scary to Imagine that some
Of you guys believe this even while living abroad and having the option to see things from a different lense.
 
Pak should again block the supply route to Afghanistan. It will be difficult at first but in the long run the non dependence of American aid will greatly benefit Pak. The American's will not survive without Pak's help in Afghanistan.
 
So let me get this straight...the spin here is that the 33 billion was almost like a tax/toll fees or however you want to put it in layman’s term(I guess this is amazing logic and this Spin is definetely way beyond my comprehension :)) )

So US pays that money to Pakistan especially thinking in their minds that they are hunting for OBl who according to them is the most wanted man(even though you might think that as an American propaganda)

OBL is found hiding in Pak but then again it was US’s problem not to find him Sooner and Pak had no responsibility as they were pretty much like a leasing office(excuse me for using layman’s terms again) for their infrastructure and didnt care if either US was using their soil or OBL as long as the rent was paid. Hence,Donald Trump’s tweet was gibberish.

So in the end what is the moral of this story? US can’t complain as they were the suckers all along for spending pointless money for which Pakistan has a)No Accountability b) Infact Pakistan has suffered more damages so Probably US owes them a lot more money In return.

I am ok if guys who live in Pakistan have this narrative but it is scary to Imagine that some
Of you guys believe this even while living abroad and having the option to see things from a different lense.

I have no idea what you're trying to say here. My post with respect to what Trump said was that what the US says does not determine what's true and what's not. That "Pakistan harbours terrorist" is the lie that I was referring to in particular. No such safe havens exist in Pakistan.

With respect to the aid, it's not black and white. At least 50% of the so-called aid is not actually aid but payment for using Pakistan's infrastructure, ports, labour, etc.
 
I have no idea what you're trying to say here. My post with respect to what Trump said was that what the US says does not determine what's true and what's not. That "Pakistan harbours terrorist" is the lie that I was referring to in particular. No such safe havens exist in Pakistan.

With respect to the aid, it's not black and white. At least 50% of the so-called aid is not actually aid but payment for using Pakistan's infrastructure, ports, labour, etc.

I was referring to The first part of your post as well.

Before we go further let me ask you this

Do you think OBL was a terrorist? If you don’t think so then we have a new set of problems lol

Now if you agree with the rest of the worlds POV on him then....

Wasn’t OBL found in Pakistan in a safe and secure location?

Now if you are disputing the 33b amount he is quoting in his tweet or the nature of agreement on how the money should be spent...that doesn’t concern India

but again the fact(key word here) terrorists like OBl and now also important from India’s perspective guys like Hafiz Saeed also designated by FBI as one of the most wanted men are roaming Scott free then his tweet obviously makes sense. What part are you disputing?
 
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I was referring to The first part of your post as well.

Before we go further let me ask you this

Do you think OBL was a terrorist? If you don’t think so then we have a new set of problems lol

Now if you agree with the rest of the worlds POV on him then....

Wasn’t OBL found in Pakistan in a safe and secure location?

Now if you are disputing the 33b amount he is quoting in his tweet or the nature of agreement on how the money should be spent...that doesn’t concern India

but again the fact(key word here) terrorists like OBl and now also important from India’s perspective guys like Hafiz Saeed also designated by FBI as one of the most wanted men are roaming Scott free then his tweet obviously makes sense. What part are you disputing?

AFAIK both Trump and Obama administration have already said on multiple occasions that there is no evidence to suggest Pakistan was intentionally hiding OBL.

What I am disputing is the "Pakistan harbouring terrorists" or giving them safe havens, there are no such safe havens in Pakistan.
 
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If they start withholding funds

Then our rulers need to grow a pair and stop the supplies via the land and air

Our rulers need to make this clear

if we want to disengage from this rubbish war we must sever the supplies so we can totally get the noose of this Afghan war from our necks ,
 
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Seriously, this is the official reply?

He talks big in Pakistan National Assembly but now he has jee huzoor attitude when “aid” is threatned. If he is outraged over Trump’s tweets he needs to reject the aid and stop providing all the services in return in next official statement. They need to get their act together, collect taxes from the rich and start paying the taxes themselves.
 
If they start withholding funds

Then our rulers need to grow a pair and stop the supplies via the land and air

Our rulers need to make this clear

if we want to disengage from this rubbish war we must sever the supplies so we can totally get the noose of this Afghan war from our necks ,

Niki Haley said Pakistan won’t be getting aid. http://thehill.com/policy/defense/367090-us-withholding-255m-in-aid-from-pakistan-haley-confirms

Let’s see what the military and political leadership does.
 
Pak should again block the supply route to Afghanistan. It will be difficult at first but in the long run the non dependence of American aid will greatly benefit Pak. The American's will not survive without Pak's help in Afghanistan.

Let's be absolutely honest here. Does Pakistan think it can survive without the aid ? Who in reality needs who more ? The vague and passive aggressive response Khawaja tweeted to Us paints a solid picture that isn't fooling anyone..
 
He talks big in Pakistan National Assembly but now he has jee huzoor attitude when “aid” is threatned. If he is outraged over Trump’s tweets he needs to reject the aid and stop providing all the services in return in next official statement. They need to get their act together, collect taxes from the rich and start paying the taxes themselves.

Because all this aid goes into their pockets.
 
AFAIK both Trump and Obama administration have already said on multiple occasions that there is no evidence to suggest Pakistan was intentionally hiding OBL.

What I am disputing is the "Pakistan harbouring terrorists" or giving them safe havens, there are no such safe havens in Pakistan.

Oh lord lol :))

I am guessing that response can only mean you are living 5 years in the past.

Anyone who believes that the Pakistani military and ISI have given up protecting and arming the Afghanistani Taliban really has very little understanding of the world.
 
Seeing some Indians chest thump at this buffoon's moronic comments (despite being the truth) is literally sad. He is no friend to anyone but the color white. Trump epitomizes bigots of all types and kinds (many on this forum too), who have fantasies about being able to sit in the seat of high power and bully everyone.
 
He is no friend to anyone but the color white.

Trump has appointed quite a few Indian-Americans to important executive posts. Nikki Haley (US Ambassador to the UN, the second most important foreign affairs official of the US government after the Secretary of State), Seema Verma (head of Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services) and Ajit Pai (Chairman of the United States Federal Communications Commission and slayer of Net Neutrality). These are all executive positions, and by far the greatest representation of Indian-Americans ever in the top levels of the US Government. In fact these 3 as a group represent more executive responsibilities given to any minority group by the Trump Admin compared to other minority groups. The other prominent minority appointment is Ben Johnson as Chairman of HUD, but Carson impact via HUD is limited as HUD hasn't really been changing anything. Julian Castro is a fake minority.

As Indian-Americans do not constitute a significant voting block for Trump, one must conclude that these appointments have been made based on merit.
 
Trump has appointed quite a few Indian-Americans to important executive posts. Nikki Haley (US Ambassador to the UN, the second most important foreign affairs official of the US government after the Secretary of State), Seema Verma (head of Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services) and Ajit Pai (Chairman of the United States Federal Communications Commission and slayer of Net Neutrality). These are all executive positions, and by far the greatest representation of Indian-Americans ever in the top levels of the US Government. In fact these 3 as a group represent more executive responsibilities given to any minority group by the Trump Admin compared to other minority groups. The other prominent minority appointment is Ben Johnson as Chairman of HUD, but Carson impact via HUD is limited as HUD hasn't really been changing anything. Julian Castro is a fake minority.

As Indian-Americans do not constitute a significant voting block for Trump, one must conclude that these appointments have been made based on merit.

Sure, but that has more to do with minorities disapproval of Trump. How can any minority group support someone like Trump when he has shown he is a white supremacist and a racist but it appears that the Indian community is hell bent on supporting a man like that for short term gains against Pakistan and Muslims.
 
Trump has appointed quite a few Indian-Americans to important executive posts. Nikki Haley (US Ambassador to the UN, the second most important foreign affairs official of the US government after the Secretary of State), Seema Verma (head of Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services) and Ajit Pai (Chairman of the United States Federal Communications Commission and slayer of Net Neutrality). These are all executive positions, and by far the greatest representation of Indian-Americans ever in the top levels of the US Government. In fact these 3 as a group represent more executive responsibilities given to any minority group by the Trump Admin compared to other minority groups. The other prominent minority appointment is Ben Johnson as Chairman of HUD, but Carson impact via HUD is limited as HUD hasn't really been changing anything. Julian Castro is a fake minority.

As Indian-Americans do not constitute a significant voting block for Trump, one must conclude that these appointments have been made based on merit.

Did you use Trump and merit in a same sentence?
 
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