Pakistan has to plan for the 2023 World Cup instead of worrying about a boycott

[Sarwar89]

Planning for 2023 ODI world cup starts now.

It was very bad group stage exit like 2014/2016/2019

Boycotting 2023 ODI World cup in India (November) should not even be on cards. Because this group of players will then have to wait till June 2024 to participate in next world cup which is 20 months away.
And 20 months is a long wait.


Rameez Raja needs to be removed
In his tenure PR of Pakistan has improved

But no major Trophy.

Lost home test series to Australia as well and 2021 + 2022 world cup losses. Plus Asia cup humiliation.

We are out of WTC as i can not see how Pakistan can win 5/5 matches. So under Ramiz performances have been shaky across all formats. Tests & limited overs both.


Babar needs to remain captain, he will come good in India 2023 World Cup. Shaheen needs to sort his injury issues out. I can not much comment on weak mentality etc because i firmly believe human mind is either mentally strong or weak from beginning.

If our team is mentally weak then that is how they are let’s not push them to be Nelson Mandela.

2023 world cup in India can give Pakistan perfect opportunity to lift the trophy as we have decent ODI set up in comparison to T20 set up.

But Ramiz Raja has to go. Lesson for future
PR people can not bring trophies.

 

[Savak]

Planning for 2023 ODI world cup starts now.

It was very bad group stage exit like 2014/2016/2019

Boycotting 2023 ODI World cup in India (November) should not even be on cards. Because this group of players will then have to wait till June 2024 to participate in next world cup which is 20 months away.
And 20 months is a long wait.


Rameez Raja needs to be removed
In his tenure PR of Pakistan has improved

But no major Trophy.

Lost home test series to Australia as well and 2021 + 2022 world cup losses. Plus Asia cup humiliation.

We are out of WTC as i can not see how Pakistan can win 5/5 matches. So under Ramiz performances have been shaky across all formats. Tests & limited overs both.


Babar needs to remain captain, he will come good in India 2023 World Cup. Shaheen needs to sort his injury issues out. I can not much comment on weak mentality etc because i firmly believe human mind is either mentally strong or weak from beginning.

If our team is mentally weak then that is how they are let’s not push them to be Nelson Mandela.

2023 world cup in India can give Pakistan perfect opportunity to lift the trophy as we have decent ODI set up in comparison to T20 set up.

But Ramiz Raja has to go. Lesson for future
PR people can not bring trophies.

Administration wise Ramiz hasn't done much wrong with the PJL and the Womens T-20 League coming up next year. He found a sponsor for the National Stadium. He has found sponsors for the Engro U-19 Pathway program and for the PCB pension funds where the monthly payments to ex Pakistani national and domestic players and their families have gone up to Rs 154,000 a month.

Cricketwise, he backed the captain, coaches and didn't make wholesale changes to invite panic but they in the end have let him down and now he needs to make some punishing decisions.

 

[Heisenberg111]

We have no chance in the 2023 world cup.

 

[Mas-LFC]

2023 WC surely will be won by a South Asian side.

 

[topspin]

Planning for 2023 ODI world cup starts now.

It was very bad group stage exit like 2014/2016/2019

Boycotting 2023 ODI World cup in India (November) should not even be on cards. Because this group of players will then have to wait till June 2024 to participate in next world cup which is 20 months away.
And 20 months is a long wait.


Rameez Raja needs to be removed
In his tenure PR of Pakistan has improved

But no major Trophy.

Lost home test series to Australia as well and 2021 + 2022 world cup losses. Plus Asia cup humiliation.

We are out of WTC as i can not see how Pakistan can win 5/5 matches. So under Ramiz performances have been shaky across all formats. Tests & limited overs both.


Babar needs to remain captain, he will come good in India 2023 World Cup. Shaheen needs to sort his injury issues out. I can not much comment on weak mentality etc because i firmly believe human mind is either mentally strong or weak from beginning.

If our team is mentally weak then that is how they are let’s not push them to be Nelson Mandela.

2023 world cup in India can give Pakistan perfect opportunity to lift the trophy as we have decent ODI set up in comparison to T20 set up.

But Ramiz Raja has to go. Lesson for future
PR people can not bring trophies.

This was going to be a good thread until you mentioned this.

 

[Sarwar89]

This was going to be a good thread until you mentioned this.

Just a tip for you, it is never advisable to sack a captain straight away after disastrous world cup. Decisions need to be measured and taken carefully.

ODI world cup is 50 over format, totally different from T20 set up. Sacking of captain or appointing new captain for T20 and or ODI requires careful planning & someone already groomed for that role.

 

[shamaan]

Just a tip for you, it is never advisable to sack a captain straight away after disastrous world cup. Decisions need to be measured and taken carefully.

ODI world cup is 50 over format, totally different from T20 set up. Sacking of captain or appointing new captain for T20 and or ODI requires careful planning & someone already groomed for that role.

Getting knocked out before the semi final warrants a sack

 

[SM1989]

Just a tip for you, it is never advisable to sack a captain straight away after disastrous world cup. Decisions need to be measured and taken carefully.

ODI world cup is 50 over format, totally different from T20 set up. Sacking of captain or appointing new captain for T20 and or ODI requires careful planning & someone already groomed for that role.

Losing to Zimbabwe in a world cup match and then getting knocked out in the group stage warrants a sacking

 

[Sarwar89]

Losing to Zimbabwe in a world cup match and then getting knocked out in the group stage warrants a sacking

So applying this formula Jos Buttler needs to be sacked after all he lost to Ireland.

 

[SM1989]

So applying this formula Jos Buttler needs to be sacked after all he lost to Ireland.

It was a rain affected match and England were on course to win it before it got washed out. Therefore we can let that slide.

 

[topspin]

Just a tip for you, it is never advisable to sack a captain straight away after disastrous world cup. Decisions need to be measured and taken carefully.

ODI world cup is 50 over format, totally different from T20 set up. Sacking of captain or appointing new captain for T20 and or ODI requires careful planning & someone already groomed for that role.

No you don't get it. He was never suited for leadership in the first place.

That was blindingly obvious when you consider how timid he is.

When you make a timid person captain, you cannot expect them to handle the responsibility of batting and leading the side. It's never worked before and it never will in the future.

 

[sam_ahm]

To be fair to Pakistan, I think ODIs are their strongest format. It suits their style of play. babar, Rizwan, Imam are very much suited for ODI format and with more overs being bowled (50) it gives enough time for Pakistan's pace attack to do significant damage.

 

[GLORY OF '92]

0% chance of success. If we play well make the Semis and choke it. India, Australia or England will win it.

 

[Jazx]

Instead of boycotting why not PCB demands for a neutral venue for 2023 wc. Should give them a *** for tat instead of boycotting. They should refuse to play in india.

 

[Sarwar89]

Planning for ODI 2023 shall start immediately. Blind trust on Babar & Rameez has been disappointing and their reign has given pakistan zero recognized trophy. We are also out of world test championship.

Even in odi’s 340/350 runs are needed & strike rates will again come into picture

 

[Bilal7]

Both the Asia Cup and the World Cup need to go to Pakistan. The benefit is that both tournaments will be taking place in the subcontinent, which greatly nullifies the non-Asian teams. The major threat will be India but I believe we have the bowlers to beat them.

Mohammad Rizwan should be tried out as the ODI opener. If he can replicate his T20 game with slight modifications in the 50-overs format, we will a second super consistent opener but one that scores at a higher SR than Imam.

We also desperately need a sixth bowling option as well as a proper middle-order batsman and I think Haris Sohail, when fit and in form, is the remedy for both problems. He'd be a good fit at #4.

The most important thing though is consistency and confidence. We have to identify the right players NOW and give them the time and backing they need to succeed. Yes, it's a tough job but that is what the selectors and team management get paid for. Changing the captain at this point would also be a ridiculously emotional decision with no upside.

I feel this is what our team should look like next year:

1) Mohammad Rizwan/Fakhar Zaman
2) Imam-ul-Haq
3) Babar Azam (c)
4) Haris Sohail
5) Fakhar Zaman/Mohammad Rizwan
6) ?
7) Mohammad Nawaz
8) Shadab Khan
9) Shaheen Afridi
10) Haris Rauf
11) Naseem Shah

 

[asadee]

We need Wasim Jr his reverse swing will help big time in India

 

[Bilal7]

This does not mean that we should not boycott the World Cup if the Indian team does not tour Pakistan or the BCCI doesn't compensate if they don't. However, the players need to be ready regardless.

 

[charlie007]

This does not mean that we should not boycott the World Cup if the Indian team does not tour Pakistan or the BCCI doesn't compensate if they don't. However, the players need to be ready regardless.

Lol, whose loss will that be? “We should boycott” doesn’t mean anything and that includes currently emotional fans or overzealous PCB officials. Pakistan team will be there to play as they should and exercise their right to do so when the time comes.

 

[Sarwar89]

It is important to see hiw current Government will see Ramiz Raja’s performance. As there are other important events happening in the country, whether Ramiz will get the sack is something debatable.
Until Ramiz is there, babar as captain will be protected & will have unconditional control as well.
Under babar & rameez 2 world cups have been wasted. 2021 & 2022 ( that is bad ) very bad.

 

[GreenKhan]

Both the Asia Cup and the World Cup need to go to Pakistan. The benefit is that both tournaments will be taking place in the subcontinent, which greatly nullifies the non-Asian teams. The major threat will be India but I believe we have the bowlers to beat them.

Mohammad Rizwan should be tried out as the ODI opener. If he can replicate his T20 game with slight modifications in the 50-overs format, we will a second super consistent opener but one that scores at a higher SR than Imam.

We also desperately need a sixth bowling option as well as a proper middle-order batsman and I think Haris Sohail, when fit and in form, is the remedy for both problems. He'd be a good fit at #4.

The most important thing though is consistency and confidence. We have to identify the right players NOW and give them the time and backing they need to succeed. Yes, it's a tough job but that is what the selectors and team management get paid for. Changing the captain at this point would also be a ridiculously emotional decision with no upside.

I feel this is what our team should look like next year:

1) Mohammad Rizwan/Fakhar Zaman
2) Imam-ul-Haq
3) Babar Azam (c)
4) Haris Sohail
5) Fakhar Zaman/Mohammad Rizwan
6) ?
7) Mohammad Nawaz
8) Shadab Khan
9) Shaheen Afridi
10) Haris Rauf
11) Naseem Shah

What a joke . Your gna demote Fakhar SR of 94@ 46 and who is our only dynamic batsman so Rizwan can open .

 

[Sarwar89]

What nobody is talking about is when was the last time Pakistan played any kind of match in India,

That was almost 7 years ago in 2016 t20 world cup.

None of the current lot is familiar with Indian pitches & conditions. And they are different than Pakistan/UAE.

Next world cup will be very challenging as we have 0 practise in Indian stadiums.

 

[ex-q-zit]

Its not about just planning but need a right plan. After last year's t20 WC they had a plan to blood in youngtsers and set aside seniots like Hafeez, Shoaib n even Sarfaraz was neglected. Buteven after repeated failures of the like sof Asif, haider n Kushdil they presisted with the plan although everyone was questioning their inclusion.

the 50 over format will have a grreater requirement of people with proper technique as yu cannot have players like Asif to come in to bat just a couple of overs. the players will need to have the ability to rebuild the innings. Also power hitters need to be identified and groomed as well as a fast bowling all rounder.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Pakistan ODI team is just the same as the T20 side. You have rizwan / babar playing selfishly in T20s and forcing pressure on a mediocre middle order.

Imam / Babar do same in ODIs again with mediocre middle order to come.

playing risk free cricket in PP, only scoring quicker after getting past or close to a milestone.

Same negative and uninspiring cricket will be exposed in 50 over format and it will be yet another embarrassment with Babar / saqi and mo wasim in leading jobs with the team.

 

[TheSultan]

So applying this formula Jos Buttler needs to be sacked after all he lost to Ireland.

If it results in an early exit, then yes. Buttler’s captaincy isn’t particularly impressive. Moeen did a better job with a less experienced team.

 

[moghul]

Administration wise Ramiz hasn't done much wrong with the PJL and the Womens T-20 League coming up next year. He found a sponsor for the National Stadium. He has found sponsors for the Engro U-19 Pathway program and for the PCB pension funds where the monthly payments to ex Pakistani national and domestic players and their families have gone up to Rs 154,000 a month.

Cricketwise, he backed the captain, coaches and didn't make wholesale changes to invite panic but they in the end have let him down and now he needs to make some punishing decisions.

Ramiz has done many thigs right as you mentioned, but choice of Coaches has been horrible, both Saqlain and Yousuf didn't play any T20 cricket and they never been coaches at any level . Saqlain had a bowing consultant job but not coach

Ramiz also failed to get rid of the 2nd worst selector in Pakistan's history, Waseem . ( Misbah was the worst ) .

 

[moghul]

If India doesn;t come for Asia cup, I support not to go to India for the WC.

 

[sweep_shot]

Boycotting the entire World Cup is illogical.

Maximum they can do is boycott that one Indian game.

 

[Kriketer]

Administration wise Ramiz hasn't done much wrong with the PJL and the Womens T-20 League coming up next year. He found a sponsor for the National Stadium. He has found sponsors for the Engro U-19 Pathway program and for the PCB pension funds where the monthly payments to ex Pakistani national and domestic players and their families have gone up to Rs 154,000 a month.

Cricketwise, he backed the captain, coaches and didn't make wholesale changes to invite panic but they in the end have let him down and now he needs to make some punishing decisions.

Well summarized. Ramiz has done better than past Chaimans and is some one who focuses on main issues like grass root and has backed the captain which is usually not heard of in our admins. He also stands up for Pakistan cricket and doesn't get scared from being verbal which has been a welcome change in PCB!! He must focus on the condition of pitches in Pakistan, our team becomes a joke the movement there's movement and swing off the pitch and you cannot attract foreign team with typical garbage pitches.

Where he has failed is preparing terrible pitches for Australia and England series and selecting lazy attitude bad coaches like Saqlain and Yosuf. He also needs to stay calm during interviews.

He is the right choice overall and hopefully ll only get better and serve long for Pakistan.

 

[CricLegend]

Pakistan should treat the India match like a batting practice match. If they bat first, just score at 1 RPO and don’t even attempt to win, which I’m sure will be a talking point in the World Cup

 

[MenInG]

Babar Azam in a recent interview:

“We are focused on the World Cup in India and will try to put up a good show during the tournament, I will try to score runs alongside Mohammad Rizwan since we have a good combination at the top”

“But having said that it is not possible to score in every innings, which is why it is important not to depend on only two players in the team. However, we also have other players in the team who are eager to play a match-winning role for the team on the field,”

 

[Nikhil_cric]

To be fair to Pakistan, I think ODIs are their strongest format. It suits their style of play. babar, Rizwan, Imam are very much suited for ODI format and with more overs being bowled (50) it gives enough time for Pakistan's pace attack to do significant damage.

ODIs are not their strongest format. Hasn't been since 2005. Pakistan's strongest format is T20. Their bilateral T20 record is strong unlike their ODI record and they make semis/finals regularly .

Post 1999 World Cup , Pakistan have made the semis only once in an ODI World Cup.

 

[nextover666666]

ODIs are not their strongest format. Hasn't been since 2005. Pakistan's strongest format is T20. Their bilateral T20 record is strong unlike their ODI record and they make semis/finals regularly .

Post 1999 World Cup , Pakistan have made the semis only once in an ODI World Cup.

Condition in India might favor Pakistan, ICC tournaments Pakistan does have a tendency of making something happen. Its very possible for Pakistan to make semi finals, might be the same thing we see often with Pakistan Cricket, have a slow start and than Go hard as tournament progresses.

Although not a world cup our last ICC title was ODI format as well. If Pakistan select the right squad and play the right combonation they will do well. Pakistan problems tend to be not selecting the right squad or not going with the right combonation.

 

[shamaan]

ODIs are not their strongest format. Hasn't been since 2005. Pakistan's strongest format is T20. Their bilateral T20 record is strong unlike their ODI record and they make semis/finals regularly .

Post 1999 World Cup , Pakistan have made the semis only once in an ODI World Cup.

I think if we pick this squad we can make the semi final

Imaam
Fakhar
Babar
Tayyab Tahir
Rizwan
Imad Wasim
Shadab
Nawaz
Shaheen
Naseem
Ihsanullah

Azam khan
Abdullah Shafique
Usama Mir
Wasim Jnr
Hassan Ali

 

[Rana]

I think if we pick this squad we can make the semi final

Imaam
Fakhar
Babar
Tayyab Tahir
Rizwan
Imad Wasim
Shadab
Nawaz
Shaheen
Naseem
Ihsanullah

Azam khan
Abdullah Shafique
Usama Mir
Wasim Jnr
Hassan Ali

Tayyab is a drama!

 

[shamaan]

Tayyab is a drama!

Odi format will suit him plus He's one of the best players of spin and more shots than Kamran Ghulam.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

I think if we pick this squad we can make the semi final

Imaam
Fakhar
Babar
Tayyab Tahir
Rizwan
Imad Wasim
Shadab
Nawaz
Shaheen
Naseem
Ihsanullah

Azam khan
Abdullah Shafique
Usama Mir
Wasim Jnr
Hassan Ali

I think Saim Ayub with 46/107 stats as opener in Pakistan Cup has to be tried out soon. I don't think Imam with his 82 strike rate is going to do much. He's not a good limited overs batsman. Saim should be given a chance to replace him.

As far as Pakistan's chances go, I'm still not convinced they have it in them to go all the way but a semifinal would be an accomplishment.

Since the last World Cup, Pakistan has played the least ODI cricket against top opponents. I believe only 17 ODIs against OZ/ENG/NZ/SA/IND/BD/SL/WI . Most teams have played atleast around 30 and India has played around 47.

Test cricket and ODI cricket are no longer priorities or atleast it looks like it. Pakistan plays a lot more T20 cricket and the team is actually World class in that format.

 

[Waqasm75]

World Cup 2023- Taking place in India?

Hello, can someone please inform me if the World Cup 2023 is still going to be held in India due to battle with the ICC over the tax exemption issue which India has not been able get a tax waiver from their government.

When is the ICC deadline for this issue to be sorted out? If not, ICC will shift the WC out of India.

Please share any information pertaining to this issue.

Thank you in advanced.

 

[shamaan]

I think Saim Ayub with 46/107 stats as opener in Pakistan Cup has to be tried out soon. I don't think Imam with his 82 strike rate is going to do much. He's not a good limited overs batsman. Saim should be given a chance to replace him.

As far as Pakistan's chances go, I'm still not convinced they have it in them to go all the way but a semifinal would be an accomplishment.

Since the last World Cup, Pakistan has played the least ODI cricket against top opponents. I believe only 17 ODIs against OZ/ENG/NZ/SA/IND/BD/SL/WI . Most teams have played atleast around 30 and India has played around 47.

Test cricket and ODI cricket are no longer priorities or atleast it looks like it. Pakistan plays a lot more T20 cricket and the team is actually World class in that format.

Saim should be tried in t20s before odis that's what I think anyways and I think they have quite few odis in the next 6 months.