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Pakistan need to develop a batsman who India fear

Fakhar Zaman, anybody?

He might be a Jamshed like figure at the top of the order who can clatter his way to dozens of runs.

Jamshed scored runs on the worlds easiest pitches, easiest conditions and the easiest bowlers (on offense), Fakhar Zaman is playing marvelously in alien conditions, in his very first games, against the best bowlers in the world and on hard pitches.
 
In 2003, 2011 and 2015, it was the captaincy that won India. Pakistan needs an attacking captain to beat India, who can bring the attacking attitude in the team. That would break the streak in 2019 or any next WC match.

1996 WC Quarter Finals was a big shock though. Pakistan had that game, until Sohail got out. They were 130-1 in 14 overs, chasing 280. Should've been a walk. Well, pressure gets into the players sometimes.
 
Congratulations to Pakistan.

Is Fakhar Zaman the one? If yes, looking forward to top quality clashes in future.
 
I have a feeling Fakhar would be this generation's Saeed Anwar for India.
 
I have a feeling Fakhar would be this generation's Saeed Anwar for India.

Hope so.

I also feel sharjeel and Fakhar will be the next deadly opening duo from Pakistan.

Waiting for sharjeel to come back now which is looking more and more possible as his case moves towards its end.
 
Hope so.

I also feel sharjeel and Fakhar will be the next deadly opening duo from Pakistan.

Waiting for sharjeel to come back now which is looking more and more possible as his case moves towards its end.

Speaking of Sharjeel, how must he be feeling now watching this on the telly?

Must be kicking himself surely.
 
Make selection based on merit and you will find many Fakhar. PCB made many blunders to put Pakistan behind over the last 10 years.....Sidelined Razzaq before the replacement was ready, making Azhar ODI captain, Investing in likes of Hafeez and Imran Farhat as openers for 10 years, allowing Rahat, Wahab, Sohail to be selected ahead of Junaid, and keep playing shoib when Harris Sohail, Fawad Alam and more deserving players are sitting.
 
Speaking of Sharjeel, how must he be feeling now watching this on the telly?

Must be kicking himself surely.

Well he should be kicking najam sethi and others in PCB if he is proved innocent. Waiting for the final judgement now.
 
I have a feeling Fakhar would be this generation's Saeed Anwar for India.

Add in Imam-ul-Haq and Babar Azam and all of a sudden it's a rock solid looking trio. Each of them average 50+, with Imam gunning for 60+!

Could this tip the scales?
 
Add in Imam-ul-Haq and Babar Azam and all of a sudden it's a rock solid looking trio. Each of them average 50+, with Imam gunning for 60+!

Could this tip the scales?

Didn't you get the answer after the CT final? It was just Zaman and Azam that day. Add Imam into the mix and fun doubles!
 
Didn't you get the answer after the CT final? It was just Zaman and Azam that day. Add Imam into the mix and fun doubles!

These 3 went missing in the Asia Cup though? Looks like they decided to take India seriously only when Kohli plays! Poor fellas!
 
These 3 went missing in the Asia Cup though? Looks like they decided to take India seriously only when Kohli plays! Poor fellas!

Well, Asia Cup was played in UAE for starters and also not all teams took it seriously. Kohli gave it a miss, Pakistan fielded wrong team without playing many spin bowlers. World Cup will be more similar to CT than Asia Cup.
 
Well, Asia Cup was played in UAE for starters and also not all teams took it seriously. Kohli gave it a miss, Pakistan fielded wrong team without playing many spin bowlers. World Cup will be more similar to CT than Asia Cup.

And Pakistan never won against India in the WC in last 2 decades despite fiedling their best XI ! So I get the picture! Hope you will be active on this forum that day!
 
How will it help Pakistan if they develop batsmen who India will fear? India doesn't play Pakistan apart from multinational tournaments. Pakistan should focus more developing batsmen who Bangladesh will fear looking the way BD is dominating Pakistan off late.
 
Well, Asia Cup was played in UAE for starters and also not all teams took it seriously. Kohli gave it a miss, Pakistan fielded wrong team without playing many spin bowlers. World Cup will be more similar to CT than Asia Cup.

:))

If I recall correctly, Pakistan took Asia cup very seriously. They even organized Asia Cup specific camps, regular comments by players regarding Asia cup etc. Also, UAE is your home where Pak plays regular cricket.

India on the other hand was playing in Eng, took a flight straight to Dubai, rested its skipper and main player, played in UAE first time and stream rolled Pakistan for fun. Not once but twice :uakmal

For you to now say, Pak didnt took Asia cup seriously is a sour grape moment. Even BD beat you in your home :broad

We can also say, India deliberately lost that CT final to oust Kumble from the job. But we wont....we lost and thats about it. Try to accept defeat brother. Remember, no shame in losing to best team on planet earth anyway.
 
:))

If I recall correctly, Pakistan took Asia cup very seriously. They even organized Asia Cup specific camps, regular comments by players regarding Asia cup etc. Also, UAE is your home where Pak plays regular cricket.

India on the other hand was playing in Eng, took a flight straight to Dubai, rested its skipper and main player, played in UAE first time and stream rolled Pakistan for fun. Not once but twice :uakmal

For you to now say, Pak didnt took Asia cup seriously is a sour grape moment. Even BD beat you in your home :broad

We can also say, India deliberately lost that CT final to oust Kumble from the job. But we wont....we lost and thats about it. Try to accept defeat brother. Remember, no shame in losing to best team on planet earth anyway.

No sour grapes brother. Just stating the facts. Yes, we lost badly in Asia Cup but look at our team selection! We fielded just one spinner in UAE. Mickey's selection policies are all focused towards performing in SENA countries. That doesn't work in UAE as we saw. India did play well but we were done by bad selection policies.
 
Well, Asia Cup was played in UAE for starters and also not all teams took it seriously. Kohli gave it a miss, Pakistan fielded wrong team without playing many spin bowlers. World Cup will be more similar to CT than Asia Cup.

Whenever India win it is either the opposition's D team or no one took that series seriously. :))) Love it.
 
No sour grapes brother. Just stating the facts. Yes, we lost badly in Asia Cup but look at our team selection! We fielded just one spinner in UAE. Mickey's selection policies are all focused towards performing in SENA countries. That doesn't work in UAE as we saw. India did play well but we were done by bad selection policies.

Its all excuses....ifs and buts in your own words. If India played Kulcha in CT final....if Bumrah didnt overstep...I can also go on and on. The fact is...Pak lost 3 matches in Asia cup and won marginally against Afg. You can twist it anyway you want but I thought after the humiliation there would have made fans like you bit modest.

Mickey Arthur's team is focused towards performing in SENA? :)) What has Pakistan achieved in SENA anyway? Got 5-0 whitewashed in NZ, conceeded highest ever ODI score in England, got whitewashed in current SA test series etc etc. You are embarrasing other sane Pak fans here as well with these big talks...sorry to say.
 
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Its all excuses....ifs and buts in your own words. If India played Kulcha in CT final....if Bumrah didnt overstep...I can also go on and on. The fact is...Pak lost 3 matches in Asia cup and won marginally against Afg. You can twist it anyway you want but I thought after the humiliation there would have made fans like you bit modest.

Mickey Arthur's team is focused towards performing in SENA? :)) What has Pakistan achieved in SENA anyway? Got 5-0 whitewashed in NZ, conceeded highest ever ODI score in England, got whitewashed in current SA test series etc etc. You are embarrasing other sane Pak fans here as well with these big talks...sorry to say.

Don't mind him...he's all talks...He'll disappear once again when his team gets hammered.
 
No sour grapes brother. Just stating the facts. Yes, we lost badly in Asia Cup but look at our team selection! We fielded just one spinner in UAE. Mickey's selection policies are all focused towards performing in SENA countries. That doesn't work in UAE as we saw. India did play well but we were done by bad selection policies.

Do you have any spinners to field?
 
Its all excuses....ifs and buts in your own words. If India played Kulcha in CT final....if Bumrah didnt overstep...I can also go on and on. The fact is...Pak lost 3 matches in Asia cup and won marginally against Afg. You can twist it anyway you want but I thought after the humiliation there would have made fans like you bit modest.

Mickey Arthur's team is focused towards performing in SENA? :)) What has Pakistan achieved in SENA anyway? Got 5-0 whitewashed in NZ, conceeded highest ever ODI score in England, got whitewashed in current SA test series etc etc. You are embarrasing other sane Pak fans here as well with these big talks...sorry to say.

Rather than saying if Kulcha or butter naan played, ideally you should say Fakhar Zaman has beaten Ashwin into ODI retirement. You point at us marginally winning against Afghanistan while your team has actually tied against them.

Yes Mickey's team is focused on SENA. We drew in England in 2 consecutive tours while you lot got humiliated by a newbie. You just won against a batting leaderless Australia and before that you lot were equally bad or even worse than the weakest team we ever fielded.
 
Rather than saying if Kulcha or butter naan played, ideally you should say Fakhar Zaman has beaten Ashwin into ODI retirement. You point at us marginally winning against Afghanistan while your team has actually tied against them.

Yes Mickey's team is focused on SENA. We drew in England in 2 consecutive tours while you lot got humiliated by a newbie. You just won against a batting leaderless Australia and before that you lot were equally bad or even worse than the weakest team we ever fielded.

If you play 5 match series you will be equally humiliated in Eng as they don't consider you important enough for a full test series.
 
If you play 5 match series you will be equally humiliated in Eng as they don't consider you important enough for a full test series.

Yeah true. That's why we played a 4 match series in 2016 which we drew 2-2. They carved out schedule of 2 tests for us last year because they feared India may not give them enough competition which turned out to be true.
 
Yeah true. That's why we played a 4 match series in 2016 which we drew 2-2. They carved out schedule of 2 tests for us last year because they feared India may not give them enough competition which turned out to be true.

Yeah you, the rank 7th team in the world, are so competitive ypu should get a full 5 match series nah. Why carve out of India's schedule?
 
Well, Asia Cup was played in UAE for starters and also not all teams took it seriously. Kohli gave it a miss, Pakistan fielded wrong team without playing many spin bowlers. World Cup will be more similar to CT than Asia Cup.

He is talking about batsmen and you are talking about bowlers here, answer the question as to why the batsmen couldn't do anything in Asia cup.
 
Naw not Fakhar, we were not prepared for him, I'm sure team management would had watched him endless times his batting now, lets see how it goes in WC.

I would change it up against u guys, just send him number 4 that game, just to dominate chahal and kuldeep
 
Rather than saying if Kulcha or butter naan played, ideally you should say Fakhar Zaman has beaten Ashwin into ODI retirement. You point at us marginally winning against Afghanistan while your team has actually tied against them.

Yes Mickey's team is focused on SENA. We drew in England in 2 consecutive tours while you lot got humiliated by a newbie. You just won against a batting leaderless Australia and before that you lot were equally bad or even worse than the weakest team we ever fielded.

Are you only good at name calling, when you get owned.
 
"Develop a batsman who India fear"......LOL

Dude, wake up. The Indians haven't played us for more than a decade except for ICC games. How would we instill that fear :)

We need to build a team, not an individual player. Individual's may only win us once in a while whereas a team will perform and work consistently towards a win
 
I fear malik a bit in the middle overs against spinners.Otherwise we only have to prepare for babar.Imam and zaman will be playthings for bumrah and shami/bhuvi.
 
Yeah true. That's why we played a 4 match series in 2016 which we drew 2-2. They carved out schedule of 2 tests for us last year because they feared India may not give them enough competition which turned out to be true.

That's quite a conspiracy theory, congratulations!
 
Yeah true. That's why we played a 4 match series in 2016 which we drew 2-2. They carved out schedule of 2 tests for us last year because they feared India may not give them enough competition which turned out to be true.

The reason why Pakistan got only 2 Tests in 2018 is because it will tour England again in 2020 for 3 Tests.

That makes it 9 Tests in 4 years. On the other hand, India will not play in England again till 2021, which means during the period in which Pakistan are scheduled for 9 Tests (2016 - 2020), India have played 10, i.e. only one more.

Pakistan is also the only team to have the opportunity to tour England for 5 consecutive years.

Full series in 2016, Champions Trophy in 2017, Test series in 2018, World Cup in 2019 and a Test and T20I series in 2020.

I don’t recall the last time any team got to play so much cricket in one country in consecutive years.

Besides, Pakistan is not good enough to sustain a top 4 ranking. We are a poor team that finds itself languishing at 6th and 7th most of the time. As a result, we do not deserve a 5 match series at a stretch.

It is a privilege reserved for the elite teams, and we are not one of them.
 
As an India fan in '90s, I used to genuinely fear Anwar & Ijaz.
 
Only Sharjeel would have been that kind of batsman who could take Indian bowlers to cleaners.

Rest we have only few left,

Fakhar Zaman (Too many risky shots)
Umar Akmal (inconsistent)
Rizwan Hussain (no experience)
 
Australia of 2000s was a team to fear because it had as many as seven or eight individuals to fear. Just one individual batsman, no matter how good he could be, cannot win you too many games. I have followed India vs Pakistan matches from the beginning (late 1970s). Indian fans actually feared Pakistani batsmen those days, but that was mainly because Indian bowling was weak those days. These days, at least I as a cricket fan have a calm confidence in the abilities of Indian team and I feel confident that this team would not snatch defeat from the jaws of victory that Indian teams of 1980s and 1990s used to manage.
 
The team that managed 2-2 was a different team with Younis and Misbah. This 7th ranked team can only maage fluke win every now and then.

Every team undergoes something called 'transition'. Do you remember how your so called fabulous team lost 0-8 in 8 consecutive tests in 2011-12? The inexperienced Pakistan displayed far better fight and managed to draw 1-1 in England without #MisYou. Get your facts right before name calling.
 
Every team undergoes something called 'transition'. Do you remember how your so called fabulous team lost 0-8 in 8 consecutive tests in 2011-12? The inexperienced Pakistan displayed far better fight and managed to draw 1-1 in England without #MisYou. Get your facts right before name calling.

Yeah teams go through transition. As per your logic the current Aussie team is as strong as the past ones. So India have beaten mighty aussies in australia which Pakistan has never achieved. It was 2-1 victory in 4 match series, not 1-1 fluke in 2 match series.
 
Yeah teams go through transition. As per your logic the current Aussie team is as strong as the past ones. So India have beaten mighty aussies in australia which Pakistan has never achieved. It was 2-1 victory in 4 match series, not 1-1 fluke in 2 match series.

Australia is without batting leaders, definitely not strong. Pakistan, New Zealand, and England can beat them if they played the current team in Australia.
 
Australia is without batting leaders, definitely not strong. Pakistan, New Zealand, and England can beat them if they played the current team in Australia.

Pakistan got whitewashed bh Srilanka in UAE and 7th ranked in the world. It has no chance of winning anything in Australia. When did you last win a match in Australia? Get your facts right before making tall claims
 
Pakistan got whitewashed bh Srilanka in UAE and 7th ranked in the world. It has no chance of winning anything in Australia. When did you last win a match in Australia? Get your facts right before making tall claims

Knowing Indian team's history, no one would give them a chance of winning in Australia. But it did happen - thanks to the stupid bans on the 2 best batsmen in the world. We all saw how India got 93 all out without Kohli and Dhoni, and here we're talking about STEVE SMITH, probably best after BRADMAN; and DAVID WARNER, the best modern day opener of all formats.

Pakistan also is perfectly capable of taking that advantage! Especially now that we have found gun players in Babar, Shan, Imam, Shaheen, and Shadab!
 
Knowing Indian team's history, no one would give them a chance of winning in Australia. But it did happen - thanks to the stupid bans on the 2 best batsmen in the world. We all saw how India got 93 all out without Kohli and Dhoni, and here we're talking about STEVE SMITH, probably best after BRADMAN; and DAVID WARNER, the best modern day opener of all formats.

Pakistan also is perfectly capable of taking that advantage! Especially now that we have found gun players in Babar, Shan, Imam, Shaheen, and Shadab!

Yeah just like Pakistan took the advantage against NZ in UAE:wahab2
 
Babar Azam.

Game on when we play him in the next Asia Cup/World T20.
 
Babar Azam.

Game on when we play him in the next Asia Cup/World T20.

The Babar-Rizwan-Hafeez trio in Asian conditions at this year's world T20 will give India a game, I'm sure. Probably won't win, but won't get rolled over like in WC 2019.
 
The Babar-Rizwan-Hafeez trio in Asian conditions at this year's world T20 will give India a game, I'm sure. Probably won't win, but won't get rolled over like in WC 2019.

I couldn't agree more.

Then you've got Fakhar Zaman as someone who can shift the momentum if he hangs about for a few overs. Add to that Shaheen, and a few higher potential but as yet inconsistent types such as Hasan and Faheem. Heck Shoaib Malik, if he plays, always seems to get his mojo back against India.

If all plays according to form, we will have a game for sure.
 
The only Pakistan batter i was frightened of was Saeed Anwar. The likes of Ijaz and Afridi were hard hitters but Anwar used to up the scoring rate with minimal violence and for some reason that was extremely scary. There were a few matches in the late 90's where he'd be outpacing Afrodi with some easy drives and flicks.
 
The only Pakistan batter i was frightened of was Saeed Anwar. The likes of Ijaz and Afridi were hard hitters but Anwar used to up the scoring rate with minimal violence and for some reason that was extremely scary. There were a few matches in the late 90's where he'd be outpacing Afrodi with some easy drives and flicks.

Anwar - yes
Afridi - delight to watch but no threat. Destructive sometimes and self-destructive always.
 
Indians feared Anwar , Ijaz , Inzy , Yousuf, Younis bcoz our bowling those days were trash. Heck even Shoab Malik used to score tons of runs against us in 2006-10

But t now India's bowling is much improved - as Malik found out post 2013 . Its highly unlikely any Pakistani batter will evoke fear & awe any more

Babar Azam is good but he still is more run accumulator than destroyer ( notwithstanding the last innings )
 
We are a diminishing lot, (the Indian fans like us I mean) who used to fear Pak batters and Bowlers. I don't think younger Indian fans know much about any of current Pak Batsman other than to notice Babar Azam as he is number one in ODI ranking.
They are more enamoured with players like Ishan Kishan, SKY, Riyan Parag and Washington Sundars and less with our grade A contracted players like Pujara, Rahane and Dhawan.
 
Babar Azam.

Game on when we play him in the next Asia Cup/World T20.

I will give babar atleast couple more years to evolve someone india fears.....Anwar and Izaj were the last guys Ind feared....Afridi too an extent till 2005 06
 
We are a diminishing lot, (the Indian fans like us I mean) who used to fear Pak batters and Bowlers. I don't think younger Indian fans know much about any of current Pak Batsman other than to notice Babar Azam as he is number one in ODI ranking.
They are more enamoured with players like Ishan Kishan, SKY, Riyan Parag and Washington Sundars and less with our grade A contracted players like Pujara, Rahane and Dhawan.

Sorry but Parag SKY Ishan Kishan has long way 2 go.....yes Pant is for sure a hit with younger fans
 
Unless we go in with a bowling attack of Unadkat, Kulkarni, Shahbaz Nadeem and Shivam Dube/Vijay Shankar.... we won't be "fearing" any of the current Pak batsmen... :rabada2

Last time I was genuinely fearful about a Pak batter was Afridi in 2011...
 
Rizwan has the grit IMO - he is technically sound aswell and appears to be fiercely patriotic/down for the cause.

Whether that's enough remains to be seen.

But I do agree with the OP that Pak batters tend to succumb to the India pressure-cooker and good players lose all heart in key encounters.
 
They to need to apprach the game as a Champions League game rather than a WC.

They have a great record vs India in Champions Trophy matches.
 
Actually not only pakistani but look at Hayden ...Flower.....Stokes.....Trescothick.....most l3ft handers had a merry ride versus Indians....

You forgot Shiv Chanderpaul - till 2002 he barely did anything apart from tons of runs against India !
 
Fakhar has somehow always managed to perform against India, so it is very much likely that he will do it again.

That's the thing with unorthodox players, they are very difficult to bowl to.

Yeah even in WC 2019 till he was on crease Pakistan had some chance.
Only in couple of Asia cup matches he was out of form, so did not score much.
 
We need a guy like Salman Butt really, just like Saeed Anwar before him.

Nasir Jamshed was on his way, and he kind of went down the same corrupt path of Salman Butt.

Now the torch of the left hand tormentor has been passed to Fakhar Zaman. Saim Ayub waits in the shadows!
 
We need a guy like Salman Butt really, just like Saeed Anwar before him.

Nasir Jamshed was on his way, and he kind of went down the same corrupt path of Salman Butt.

Now the torch of the left hand tormentor has been passed to Fakhar Zaman. Saim Ayub waits in the shadows!

I would put Imam ul Haq as a potential big name in top order along with Fakhar. Guy averages 52 in ODIs (63 away average) but we put him down for no reason at all.
 
The left hand tormentor. Legends of the India v Pakistan contest
 
We need a guy like Salman Butt really, just like Saeed Anwar before him.

Nasir Jamshed was on his way, and he kind of went down the same corrupt path of Salman Butt.

Now the torch of the left hand tormentor has been passed to Fakhar Zaman. Saim Ayub waits in the shadows!

Just for the lulz, I looked him up:

Age: 18 (yeah, okay)
Experience: 5 T20s, 0 List A, 0 FC
HS: 23

Please hype up somebody with substance.
 
The reality is there is no batsman in pak that India considers a threat let alone fear. Over a decent sample size of say 10 matches, India would win at least 8.

The only hope for pak batsmen is to deliver a fluke performance in those 2 matches and make a name for themselves ala ct17. Otherwise it’s just one way traffic.
 
Just for the lulz, I looked him up:

Age: 18 (yeah, okay)
Experience: 5 T20s, 0 List A, 0 FC
HS: 23

Please hype up somebody with substance.

He has it in him.....i have seen little bit......but the guy has class......good for him if he gets some substantial first class experience
 
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