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"Pakistan needs Mohammad Hafeez and Shoaib Malik" : Shahid Afridi

Looks like malik putting some decent pressure to get selected in team don't get surprised if he make into the WT20 squad.

I think we have many better players than him. He is done and dusted. I can't believe we still want malik in team.
 
Visaal-E-Yaar said:
Looks like malik putting some decent pressure to get selected in team don't get surprised if he make into the WT20 squad.

I think we have many better players than him. He is done and dusted. I can't believe we still want malik in team.
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You can’t honestly just sit there and think that Malik isn’t good enough to get into the Pakistan team but the likes of Azam Khan, Asif Ali, Khushdil Shah and Sohaib Maqsood are…I mean how does one come to that conclusion…

You say he we have many better players than him, can you give an example of who you’re referring to?
 
Malik’s first score of substance in his last 15 games and he is in the reckoning for the World Cup !!

He was poor in CT 17, dreadful in the 2019 World Cup . Also pretty mediocre in the last two t20 world cups in 2014 and 2016.

Let’s move on !!
 
When u have connections, 1 score in 20 tried is u need to get selected
 
Malik should be in our World Cup squad without question. He is by no means perfect, but he is far superior to the numpties we have selected.

If only I could select the Pakistani team, I swear I would pick the World Cup winning side! Imagine a batting line up where you had all of Sharjeel, Rizwaan, Barbar, Fakhar, Hafeez and Malik, each of whom could bat anywhere depending on the match situation. We’d also have lower order hitting ability in the likes of Imad, Faheem, Hassan Ali etc. In the bowling we’d have Shaheen and Hassan leading the charge for us.

This is a team! Not the team full of has beens and never beens selected by Mohammed Wasim!!!
 
Shoaib Malik is one of those players who can look embarrassing for 50 games in a row and finally get a decent score... his fans forget the failures and act like he's a world class player. When in reality he's an aging player who was past his peak over a decade ago. When people say he's experienced what they really mean is he's older than most of his teammates' father and now plays like it too!
 
Because the WC will be played in UAE

and due to the fact that others like Azam Khan, Khushdil, Maqsood are far inferior batsmen and have much lower fitness level than Malik, so he should be in the Wc squad.
 
Visaal-E-Yaar said:
Looks like malik putting some decent pressure to get selected in team don't get surprised if he make into the WT20 squad.

I think we have many better players than him. He is done and dusted. I can't believe we still want malik in team.
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Since Ramiz is directly involved in the selection matters like a dictator, Malik does not stand a chance to be selected in the WC.

Our admins and executives and leaders and those is power have an issue that is deeply hardwired into our DNA, that we cannot outsmart cognitive/personal bias, when evaluating and assessing the situation, analyzing the data, and arriving at a conclusion.
 
See the thing is that if you are chasing 130 odd on a turner against decent spin then Malik is your man in the middle order. I have changed my mind about Malik and am now convinced that we need him for the WC.
 
gazza619 said:
See the thing is that if you are chasing 130 odd on a turner against decent spin then Malik is your man in the middle order. I have changed my mind about Malik and am now convinced that we need him for the WC.
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Definitely should be in the squad stil the best player of spin
 
Shoaib Malik 40* today in CP's win over Sindh
 
MenInG said:
Shoaib Malik 40* today in CP's win over Sindh
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He was dropped when he was on 18 or something by Mir Hamza on the boundary

Pakistan will be shooting themselves in the foot here by recalling him even though he was discarded 2 years ago.
 
Rana said:
He was dropped when he was on 18 or something by Mir Hamza on the boundary

Pakistan will be shooting themselves in the foot here by recalling him even though he was discarded 2 years ago.
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What other options do we have that can give us the best chance of winning the WC?

I don't want a list of guys with potential: I want people who are going to win me that trophy based on the skills they provide.

He was discarded unfairly, played a good innings against Bangladesh and went to England where he was demoted so far down the order that he had no impact, and was then dropped from the squad.

And people here get angry when the likes of Khushdil Shah and Haider Ali get 20-odd games to perform and still fail.
 
UzmanBeast said:
What other options do we have that can give us the best chance of winning the WC?

I don't want a list of guys with potential: I want people who are going to win me that trophy based on the skills they provide.

He was discarded unfairly, played a good innings against Bangladesh and went to England where he was demoted so far down the order that he had no impact, and was then dropped from the squad.

And people here get angry when the likes of Khushdil Shah and Haider Ali get 20-odd games to perform and still fail.
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Too many old age cricketers in squad hurts more than having upcoming youngsters. Remember Pakistan 2003 world cup campaign?

You are just saying that you need to win the trophy at all cost and then have no one in the team in next 10 years to carry Pakistan forward. Malik and Hafeez are not Ponting or Lara.

Give youngsters a chance let them try their best. If they lose, they will learn from their mistakes and may end up delivering in the long run.

Long term success will always be greater than short term success. World T20 is not the Pinnacle of cricket. Just hit and giggle format. I do not really care who wins. The only benefit that format has is that it helps youngsters grow as a cricketer and you even want to take that out of the equation too? Prime example is Warner.

Senior players should rather provide their services in Test cricket. Oh wait? The so called seniors do not even want to play that format. Our priorities are messed up, hence our standings in all formats.
 
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UzmanBeast said:
What other options do we have that can give us the best chance of winning the WC?

I don't want a list of guys with potential: I want people who are going to win me that trophy based on the skills they provide.

He was discarded unfairly, played a good innings against Bangladesh and went to England where he was demoted so far down the order that he had no impact, and was then dropped from the squad.

And people here get angry when the likes of Khushdil Shah and Haider Ali get 20-odd games to perform and still fail.
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My point is, if it means failure then so be it as long as we finally put a stop to washed up players returning. Why should we not take Kamran Akmal as the second keeper then? Why should we not recall Shahid Afridi over Asif Ali or Shadab Khan? We just have to ask ourselves the question of when must this recalling of has beens going to end. Malik really has no business clinging on in hopes of returning to Pakistan national side, same as Hafeez really but Hafeez to his credit has performed and matured like Ryan Giggs did for Manchester United.

Tbh, I would rather Persist with Khushdil, Shadab or Nawaz at 5 and letting them fail instead of having Malik cling on for another 2 years with the T20 World Cup in Australia also coming up next year
 
Malik averages 19 with a SR of 106 in his last 5 t20 World Cups.

Hafeez averages 20 with a SR of 106 in all 5 t20 world cups he has played .

They have played 3/4 more t20 world cups than they deserve. Mediocrity at its finest .

I rather take a khushdil than these guys . There’s the hope that he may at least benefit from the experience even if he fails .
 
GreenKhan said:
Malik averages 19 with a SR of 106 in his last 5 t20 World Cups.

Hafeez averages 20 with a SR of 106 in all 5 t20 world cups he has played .

They have played 3/4 more t20 world cups than they deserve. Mediocrity at its finest .

I rather take a khushdil than these guys . There’s the hope that he may at least benefit from the experience even if he fails .
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That is really surprising stat. I didnt knew he was that poor in T20I. He has legendary all time stats in T20 with over 10k runs.
 
UzmanBeast said:
What other options do we have that can give us the best chance of winning the WC?

I don't want a list of guys with potential: I want people who are going to win me that trophy based on the skills they provide.

He was discarded unfairly, played a good innings against Bangladesh and went to England where he was demoted so far down the order that he had no impact, and was then dropped from the squad.

And people here get angry when the likes of Khushdil Shah and Haider Ali get 20-odd games to perform and still fail.
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A 40 yr old malik isnt going to win you a world cup and even if he does so what Whats the plan for the next 5-10 yrs when malik isnt there?

Like a poster said he isnt and never been great We need to look forward and plan for the future

You cant improve your cricket by keep on picking has beens and ttfs

We need to move on from this sort of short term thinking which never benefits the team in the long run
 
Cric_lover4487 said:
That is really surprising stat. I didnt knew he was that poor in T20I. He has legendary all time stats in T20 with over 10k runs.
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Malik was good in the 2007 World Cup but apart from that he is gone missing in the big tournaments.

Hafeez is the same.

That’s why it’s a travesty that they have played so many World Cups, and the thought of the “ senior “ Hafeez going missing again on the big stage is as inevitable as night followed by day.

I just wish any body in the media or even the so called analysts actually put these stats to them two or even the selectors . Would love to hear the response . As apparently they are selected on the basis of “experience “.
 
Kraetoz said:
Too many old age cricketers in squad hurts more than having upcoming youngsters. Remember Pakistan 2003 world cup campaign?

You are just saying that you need to win the trophy at all cost and then have no one in the team in next 10 years to carry Pakistan forward. Malik and Hafeez are not Ponting or Lara.

Give youngsters a chance let them try their best. If they lose, they will learn from their mistakes and may end up delivering in the long run.

Long term success will always be greater than short term success. World T20 is not the Pinnacle of cricket. Just hit and giggle format. I do not really care who wins. The only benefit that format has is that it helps youngsters grow as a cricketer and you even want to take that out of the equation too? Prime example is Warner.

Senior players should rather provide their services in Test cricket. Oh wait? The so called seniors do not even want to play that format. Our priorities are messed up, hence our standings in all formats.
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These youngsters should first perform in domestic cricket before we start handing caps.

Khushdil has 0 performances, the question isn't about potential but merit.

Khushdil does not merit a spot. Neither does Asif Ali. Nor Azam Khan.

If there were people performing better than Malik and Hafeez, I would be the first to get rid of them. With a dry cupboard, we are harming ourselves if we pick those who are failing, and further humiliate them at the international stage.
[MENTION=2016]Rana[/MENTION]

Shadab at 5 is the biggest joke you could say on this forum. The guy is a liability with the ball, and even worse with the bat. He is no #5, not even close to being a #7 batsman either. He has age on his side but continues to avoid FC and List A domestic tournaments to grow as a cricketer.

Nawaz is in the same boat. He's had numerous opportunities to showcase some talent with the bat at the international level and has constantly failed. However, he at least respects the system and plays domestic cricket to improve himself.

We don't need Kamran Akmal because our keeping options are fine. I'm talking about positions where the cupboard is completely dry: competent middle-order batsmen.

People on this forum treat those who support the selection of Malik/Hafeez as some criminals who hate seeing youngsters perform. I couldn't be happier that Haider is using his brain to bat nowadays, I already said I would be willing to consider his selection due to his versatility and age.

However, Khushdil, Talat, Asif, Azam are all liabilities with the bat. They do not merit selection ahead of Malik in any way, shape or form.
[MENTION=21715]Zaz[/MENTION]

Malik is the best of the limited set of options available.

I would rather take a guy who is performing rather than banking my cards on an inconsistent "what if" player.

Have a blend of experience and youth in the team. However, keep some options there for the WC if the youth isn't performing.

I'd have said take Haider but he is probably not going to be selected.
 
UzmanBeast said:
These youngsters should first perform in domestic cricket before we start handing caps.

Khushdil has 0 performances, the question isn't about potential but merit.

Khushdil does not merit a spot. Neither does Asif Ali. Nor Azam Khan.

If there were people performing better than Malik and Hafeez, I would be the first to get rid of them. With a dry cupboard, we are harming ourselves if we pick those who are failing, and further humiliate them at the international stage.
[MENTION=2016]Rana[/MENTION]

Shadab at 5 is the biggest joke you could say on this forum. The guy is a liability with the ball, and even worse with the bat. He is no #5, not even close to being a #7 batsman either. He has age on his side but continues to avoid FC and List A domestic tournaments to grow as a cricketer.

Nawaz is in the same boat. He's had numerous opportunities to showcase some talent with the bat at the international level and has constantly failed. However, he at least respects the system and plays domestic cricket to improve himself.

We don't need Kamran Akmal because our keeping options are fine. I'm talking about positions where the cupboard is completely dry: competent middle-order batsmen.

People on this forum treat those who support the selection of Malik/Hafeez as some criminals who hate seeing youngsters perform. I couldn't be happier that Haider is using his brain to bat nowadays, I already said I would be willing to consider his selection due to his versatility and age.

However, Khushdil, Talat, Asif, Azam are all liabilities with the bat. They do not merit selection ahead of Malik in any way, shape or form.
[MENTION=21715]Zaz[/MENTION]

Malik is the best of the limited set of options available.

I would rather take a guy who is performing rather than banking my cards on an inconsistent "what if" player.

Have a blend of experience and youth in the team. However, keep some options there for the WC if the youth isn't performing.

I'd have said take Haider but he is probably not going to be selected.
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So Hafeez with a SR of 106 and an average of 20 in 5 t20 world cups with 1 50 and countless choking on the big stage and Malik who is equally the same , just look at his performance in World Cup 19, CT17 and the t20 world cups in 2014 and 2016 can get a another free ride at another World Cup ?

I rather take a khushdil over them. Worse case he will do the same as them as Hafeez and Malik who have embarrassing records at ICC tournies!
 
GreenKhan said:
So Hafeez with a SR of 106 and an average of 20 in 5 t20 world cups with 1 50 and countless choking on the big stage and Malik who is equally the same , just look at his performance in World Cup 19, CT17 and the t20 world cups in 2014 and 2016 can get a another free ride at another World Cup ?

I rather take a khushdil over them. Worse case he will do the same as them as Hafeez and Malik who have embarrassing records at ICC tournies!
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If you're comparing their tournament records, go ahead and compare Khushdil/Asif/Azam/Hussain domestic T20 records to that of Malik and Hafeez.

Tell me who has performed better in the last 2 years.

Malik and Hafeez have probably made more runs combined in the last 2 years compared to the 4 guys I just mentioned.
 
UzmanBeast said:
If you're comparing their tournament records, go ahead and compare Khushdil/Asif/Azam/Hussain domestic T20 records to that of Malik and Hafeez.

Tell me who has performed better in the last 2 years.

Malik and Hafeez have probably made more runs combined in the last 2 years compared to the 4 guys I just mentioned.
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Bring the stats mate “ not probably “.

Can’t believe that that people actually want the inclusion of Hafeez and Malik when there repeated failures in ICC tournaments is there to see. Not saying asif and Khushdil etc are the answer but I rather take them. Malik embarrassed himself in try 2019 World Cup .
 
GreenKhan said:
Bring the stats mate “ not probably “.

Can’t believe that that people actually want the inclusion of Hafeez and Malik when there repeated failures in ICC tournaments is there to see. Not saying asif and Khushdil etc are the answer but I rather take them. Malik embarrassed himself in try 2019 World Cup .
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Were was that 2019 played ?
 
GreenKhan said:
Bring the stats mate “ not probably “.

Can’t believe that that people actually want the inclusion of Hafeez and Malik when there repeated failures in ICC tournaments is there to see. Not saying asif and Khushdil etc are the answer but I rather take them. Malik embarrassed himself in try 2019 World Cup .
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I would happily take a 45 year old Shahid Afridi, Abdul Razzaq, Malik and Hafeez over the pathetic players that have been picked for the WT20. What’s Azam Khan done to merit a selection? Hits a 6 so he gets picked for a major icc event - Has Azam Khan even won a game for QG? How can he win a game for Pakistan when he can’t do it in the PSL? What’s Asif Ali done to get into the WT20 team, that’s easy, absolutely nothing. I don’t even remember the last time he played for Pakistan, and according to Mohammad Wasim, “he’s the best we got”… if he was the best that we had then why wasn’t he picked before? Look at the names in the team, it’s a team full of numpties.
 
shamaan said:
Were was that 2019 played ?
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If we are going to use that argument then the 2014 and 2016 t20 world cups were played in favourable conditions for Malik and he failed miserably.

In his last 5 ICC tournaments for Pakistan he has failed to even register a 50.

Please just give up .
 
YousafTheBeast said:
I would happily take a 45 year old Shahid Afridi, Abdul Razzaq, Malik and Hafeez over the pathetic players that have been picked for the WT20. What’s Azam Khan done to merit a selection? Hits a 6 so he gets picked for a major icc event - Has Azam Khan even won a game for QG? How can he win a game for Pakistan when he can’t do it in the PSL? What’s Asif Ali done to get into the WT20 team, that’s easy, absolutely nothing. I don’t even remember the last time he played for Pakistan, and according to Mohammad Wasim, “he’s the best we got”… if he was the best that we had then why wasn’t he picked before? Look at the names in the team, it’s a team full of numpties.
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Just because Azam Khan and Asif Ali don’t deserve to be in the team and rightly so you can call them numpties , it don’t mean we replace them with two other “ numpties “ who under the name of experience have colossal failures behind them at ICC world events . I have already posted there stats for the last 5 t20 world cups each . They both average 20 with SR of less than 110.

They definitely should not be in the World Cup squad also . Hafeez is going to be there , and he will be at his “meek “ best when the pressure is on .
 
GreenKhan said:
Just because Azam Khan and Asif Ali don’t deserve to be in the team and rightly so you can call them numpties , it don’t mean we replace them with two other “ numpties “ who under the name of experience have colossal failures behind them at ICC world events . I have already posted there stats for the last 5 t20 world cups each . They both average 20 with SR of less than 110.

They definitely should not be in the World Cup squad also . Hafeez is going to be there , and he will be at his “meek “ best when the pressure is on .
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So, you’re using the 2009, 2010, 2012, 2014 and 2016 WT20 as a criteria for selection in the 2021 WT20, and ignoring everything that’s happened since 2016, a 5 year gap…and in those 5 years since the last WT20 had taken place, Malik has been averaging 43 @ 148. How a player performed in 2009 is COMPLETELY irrelevant to how he played in 2016, 2017, 2018 etc.

If Malik and Hafeez are numpties then there’s really no words in the dictionary that could describe the likes of Azam and Asif Ali.
 
YousafTheBeast said:
So, you’re using the 2009, 2010, 2012, 2014 and 2016 WT20 as a criteria for selection in the 2021 WT20, and ignoring everything that’s happened since 2016, a 5 year gap…and in those 5 years since the last WT20 had taken place, Malik has been averaging 43 @ 148. How a player performed in 2009 is COMPLETELY irrelevant to how he played in 2016, 2017, 2018 etc.

If Malik and Hafeez are numpties then there’s really no words in the dictionary that could describe the likes of Azam and Asif Ali.
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People who call for the selection of Asif and Khushdil always fail to defend their stats.

I have yet to see anyone look as clueless at the international arena compared to Asif Ali. That's certainly a record he can possess, along with being the least impactful player on our team. Opposition teams probably don't even read his name on our team sheet, and would bank on him dropping catches to secure easy points.

Azam Khan running makes him look like a Sumo Wrestler, and that's hardly a compliment. He can't bat against pace whatsoever, and makes a career from bashing old domestic spinners. He is yet to play a single innings of substance in his career, and is more prone to getting run-out than he is likely to score a 50.

Khushdil Shah is touted as a "hitter" yet fails to even hit the ball. Take the leg side out of the equation and you get someone who is less of an impact player with the bat than Shadab Khan, and mind you, that is an insultingly low point to reach.

Malik, even at age 50, will be a better player than Asif Ali/Khushdil Shah/Azam Khan. These lot have age on their side (maybe not Asif) and still play with such an incompetent shot selection that it makes you wonder how easy it is to become a cricketer.

I agree, if certain posters claim that Malik and Hafeez are duds, and then claim that Asif/Khushdil/Azam merit selection, Malik and Hafeez aren't the duds...
 
GreenKhan said:
Bring the stats mate “ not probably “.

Can’t believe that that people actually want the inclusion of Hafeez and Malik when there repeated failures in ICC tournaments is there to see. Not saying asif and Khushdil etc are the answer but I rather take them. Malik embarrassed himself in try 2019 World Cup .
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Cumulative runs in National T20 Cup for Khushdil/Asif/Azam - 420 runs in 21 innings.

Shoaib Malik alone in PSL and National T20 Cup - 560 runs in 19 innings.

The facts speak for themselves. Malik alone can produce more runs than these guys combined. Let's see if your point still stands.
[MENTION=147214]YousafTheBeast[/MENTION] just take a look at the stats. Shockingly poor from this lot of "powah hittahs".
 
For me it is easy. Asif/Khushdil/Azam should be straight swapped for Haider Ali, Fakhar Zaman and Sarfraz Ahmed. So in that case Malik still doesn’t make it to the squad.

And someone said here that Malik averages at 43 at 148 since 2016??? Please do you have proof of that??? I came to a whole different statistics which make sense to not select him.
 
GreenKhan said:
If we are going to use that argument then the 2014 and 2016 t20 world cups were played in favourable conditions for Malik and he failed miserably.

In his last 5 ICC tournaments for Pakistan he has failed to even register a 50.

Please just give up .
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If you seen my squad you will know that I haven't picked him the 15 but I have picked him in the reserves.just becouse I stated that doesn't mean I fully support him.
 
Rodsje said:
For me it is easy. Asif/Khushdil/Azam should be straight swapped for Haider Ali, Fakhar Zaman and Sarfraz Ahmed. So in that case Malik still doesn’t make it to the squad.

And someone said here that Malik averages at 43 at 148 since 2016??? Please do you have proof of that??? I came to a whole different statistics which make sense to not select him.
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I would take them changes and I would put malik in the reserves just in case injury to the main players
 
Bad bad decision to include malik here.

The guy never performs in icc tournaments. Out of 6 matches he gives you once in a blue moon performance.

Pakistans batting has only been made weaker. Better than sohaib, but malik cant really strike the ball on good deliveries
 
Mohammad Hafeez today vs South Africa (warm-up) - 13 off 14.

He will have to hit the ground running if he is played against India.
 
Whatever and however you do, can't hide your age. Hafeez is too old to be successful at international level, he will be a failure as batsman.

Shoaib Malik is also not getting any younger but he is more professional and has kept himself much fitter .

Drop Hafeez from playing eleven please..
 
Afridi’s wrong, we need Malik, Hafeez and lala himself.

Shadab, Nawaz, Mir, Waseem and Faheem are only good enough for T20, they add no value to the team if they’re being picked as all rounders for ODI’s.
 
I think therfore I am said:
What Pakistan needed was Zaman, Imad, Amir, Saim and Abrar in the squad.
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Hafeez was in the form of his life with the bat in the latter end of his career. He became a reliable big hitter who can stay at the crease. Malik could effortlessly hit spinners for 6 down the ground. When you compare that that Shadab and Nawaz who can barely hit the ball, might get 10-20 run a ball it’s a gamechanger.

From that list Zaman has been in such bad form for such a long time, he could maybe perform in 1/9 matches in the group stage. Imad, yes I think he should have been in there instead of one of Shadab/Nawaz. Amir I would have loved to see, but I think would only have been good for few overs as he’s only been playing t20s. So couldn’t risk selecting him if he could manage only a few overs, before getting injured or something.
 
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