Pakistan squad for Bangladesh Tests announced

[riddu]

Shan Masood
Abdullah Shafique
Babar Azam
Saud Shakeel
Salman Ali Agha
Kamran Ghulam
Mohammad Rizwan
Aamir Jamal
Abrar Ahmed
Naseem Shah
Shaheen Shah Afridi




Khurram Shahzad,
Mohammad Ali,
Mohammad Huraira,
Saim Ayub,

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

Huraira and Saim should start. Some minnow bashing on home turf to build up their confidence.

Everyone looking trimmer too, good to see.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Huraira and Saim should start. Some minnow bashing on home turf to build up their confidence.

Everyone looking trimmer too, good to see.

I think it is not fair with Abdullah.

Abdullah and Huraira should start. Saim should not play ahead of these guys who have done well consistently.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

I am not in favour of them either, but I am in favour of a farewell match for Rizwan, you know because am kind and Ramadan preparation has started today for me.

Rizwan's record in tests in very good though and he is an excellent wickekeeper. Sarfraz is a great batter to have in home conditions but his wicketkeeping is a massive liability. And in test matches dropped catches have a massive snowball effect

 

[shaz619]

Rizwan's record in tests in very good though and he is an excellent wickekeeper. Sarfraz is a great batter to have in home conditions but his wicketkeeping is a massive liability. And in test matches dropped catches have a massive snowball effect

I don’t care, don’t want him in the team and he isn’t exactly Adam Gilchrist anyway

 

[mominsaigol]

Rizwan's record in tests in very good though and he is an excellent wickekeeper. Sarfraz is a great batter to have in home conditions but his wicketkeeping is a massive liability. And in test matches dropped catches have a massive snowball effect

Rizwan is an excellent wicket keeper in non pressure situations.

He completly loses the plot when under pressure such as his horrible keeping In the super over against USA including throwing the ball over Amir's head allowing a double to be taken, Yes amir is at fault and bowled horribly especially those wides but Rizwan's poor keeping also allowed extras to be taken.

And unlike sarfraz, Rizwan is completely trash at drs reviews, and sadly Babar just listens to rizzu.

Although I don't mind rizzu as a test keeper. My issue is him being in odi and t20. He's fine for Test.

 

[BouncerGuy]

ATM, nobody in the domestic circuit is there to replace Rizwan or Sarfaraz, unfortunately.

Who should you play instead of Rizwan?? HASEEBULLAH??? I beg your pardon, he is the worst guy to be playing ahead of sarfaraz, let alone Rizwan.

 

[gazza619]

Currently there is no test class WK besides Rizwan and Sarfaraz so he warrants his place.

How can you find out if someone has class or not, without trying them.

If are scared to give chances to young guys against one of the weakest test opposition in the World, then we might as well quit test cricket.

 

[AAli98]

Apart from losing to Afghanistan regularly & USA what have these pathetic excuse of cricketers got to offer by playing Bangladesh.. send them home tell them to start a career in athletics.

 

[Rana]

Pakistan’s middle order should be:

3. Kamran
4. Babar
5. Saud


Shan should open. You need to brood in Kamran Ghulam now and try and get 6-7 years of solid cricket (50 Tests) from him

 

[mominsaigol]

ATM, nobody in the domestic circuit is there to replace Rizwan or Sarfaraz, unfortunately.

Who should you play instead of Rizwan?? HASEEBULLAH??? I beg your pardon, he is the worst guy to be playing ahead of sarfaraz, let alone Rizwan.

Because Pakistan doesn't understand that traditionally wicket keepers are specialists and not ace players.

Rizwan and his fans have been hiding behind the wicket keeping clause for decades when in reality fakhar zaman and Saud shakeel are perfect to bat at opening in t20 and no 4 in odi ahead of this clown.

Sarfraz and Mohammad haris being makeshift is exactly the type of wk batter Pakistan needed aka players who are willing to be makeshift at any order from no 1 to no 8 for the team.

That's how Wasim Bari functioned, That's how moin Khan functioned, In Australia josh inglis, Alex Carrey, Mattew wade fucntion in a similar manner.

You need to be a once in a generational WK batsmen like QDK, Gilchrist, Jos Butler etc to justify a certain no, Even Pant, KL rahul, Sanju Sampson are makeshift shuffling from no 1 to no 5 for the team.

It's not Loyal Pakistani fans fault that people are hiding behind the whole wk clause to protect a leg side hack in odi and a God awful t20 opener.

Ask yourself, who did Rizwan replace? Did he replace Sarfraz a makeshift keeper? Hell no he replaced Fakhar Zaman an established opener in t20 and Salman Ali agha/Saud Shakeel in odi.

Yet you want fans to name wicket keeping replacements for a fraud who replaced proper batsmen/batting allrounders?

 

[BouncerGuy]

Because Pakistan doesn't understand that traditionally wicket keepers are specialists and not ace players.

Rizwan and his fans have been hiding behind the wicket keeping clause for decades when in reality fakhar zaman and Saud shakeel are perfect to bat at opening in t20 and no 4 in odi ahead of this clown.

Sarfraz and Mohammad haris being makeshift is exactly the type of wk batter Pakistan needed aka players who are willing to be makeshift at any order from no 1 to no 8 for the team.

That's how Wasim Bari functioned, That's how moin Khan functioned, In Australia josh inglis, Alex Carrey, Mattew wade fucntion in a similar manner.

You need to be a once in a generational WK batsmen like QDK, Gilchrist, Jos Butler etc to justify a certain no, Even Pant, KL rahul, Sanju Sampson are makeshift shuffling from no 1 to no 5 for the team.

It's not Loyal Pakistani fans fault that people are hiding behind the whole wk clause to protect a leg side hack in odi and a God awful t20 opener.

Ask yourself, who did Rizwan replace? Did he replace Sarfraz a makeshift keeper? Hell no he replaced Fakhar Zaman an established opener in t20 and Salman Ali agha/Saud Shakeel in odi.

Yet you want fans to name wicket keeping replacements for a fraud who replaced proper batsmen/batting allrounders?

I am exclusively talking about tests.... Bangladesh series thread this is... No point arguing over T20s in this thread.

 

[mominsaigol]

I am exclusively talking about tests.... Bangladesh series thread this is... No point arguing over T20s in this thread.

It applies to all formats irrespective of series.

In test Rizwan isn't batting for the team or playing with the perspective of playing as a specialist keeper. He's frauding his way into making people believe he's some specialist once in a generational test batter.

You can play Any keeper over him and slot them at no 1 to no 8 and it would make no difference.

Pakistan needs more test batters to occupy no 1 to no 6, and a specialist keeper to play specialist keeper role at no 7 or no 8. They don't need a fraud batsmen who wastes an extra slot and as such people like salman Ali Agha have to slot at 7 for him.

 

[Bewal Express]

Because Pakistan doesn't understand that traditionally wicket keepers are specialists and not ace players.

Rizwan and his fans have been hiding behind the wicket keeping clause for decades when in reality fakhar zaman and Saud shakeel are perfect to bat at opening in t20 and no 4 in odi ahead of this clown.

Sarfraz and Mohammad haris being makeshift is exactly the type of wk batter Pakistan needed aka players who are willing to be makeshift at any order from no 1 to no 8 for the team.

That's how Wasim Bari functioned, That's how moin Khan functioned, In Australia josh inglis, Alex Carrey, Mattew wade fucntion in a similar manner.

You need to be a once in a generational WK batsmen like QDK, Gilchrist, Jos Butler etc to justify a certain no, Even Pant, KL rahul, Sanju Sampson are makeshift shuffling from no 1 to no 5 for the team.

It's not Loyal Pakistani fans fault that people are hiding behind the whole wk clause to protect a leg side hack in odi and a God awful t20 opener.

Ask yourself, who did Rizwan replace? Did he replace Sarfraz a makeshift keeper? Hell no he replaced Fakhar Zaman an established opener in t20 and Salman Ali agha/Saud Shakeel in odi.

Yet you want fans to name wicket keeping replacements for a fraud who replaced proper batsmen/batting allrounders?

The traditional WK died when Gilly changed the role to a batsman who can keep. In some cases they are also exceptional WKs and cases they are barely able to put on gloves( although with choice most teams have they are very rare bar Kami after his finger injury).
What you fail to understand is that they are needed as you can't balance teams especially in T20 or ODI without a WK who can bat and average close to 40 in tests. Both Riz and Sarfi and even Kami were or are good test batsman.

 

[Markhor]

Pakistan’s middle order should be:

3. Kamran
4. Babar
5. Saud


Shan should open. You need to brood in Kamran Ghulam now and try and get 6-7 years of solid cricket (50 Tests) from him

It's a shout. But shouldn't Babar go to #3 given a lot of his dismissals vs spin ?

Kamran and Saud to follow ?

 

[mominsaigol]

The traditional WK died when Gilly changed the role to a batsman who can keep. In some cases they are also exceptional WKs and cases they are barely able to put on gloves( although with choice most teams have they are very rare bar Kami after his finger injury).
What you fail to understand is that they are needed as you can't balance teams especially in T20 or ODI without a WK who can bat and average close to 40 in tests. Both Riz and Sarfi and even Kami were or are good test batsman.

I don't fail to Understand anything.

No one said wk batters can't bat. Moin Lhan could bat very well, Heck wasim bari was a good batsmen it's just his international stats were poor and don't reflect his caliber as a batsmen.

Mattew wade from Australia played a freak innings in 2021 world cup to get Australia into the finals.

However even to this day almost every wk batter is makeshift from no 1 to no 7 and under no circumstances do they replace proper established batsmen in the squad.

The only way that happens is if their genuinely generational batters for their own country, For example gurbaz is average if you compare him to top sides but he's generational for Afghanistan standards considering their lack of infrastructure.

Sarfraz was makeshift and batted where it was required, he didn't replace someone like falhar zaman who is the only batsmen since saeed Anwar who can hit 150+ scores and play the X factor role, Similarly he didn't replace Babar at 3.

Even Kamran Akmal by 2012 started batting at no 7 in the India vs Pakistan odi series because he was no longer needed as an opener.

Rizwan on the other hand alo side Chacha were Misbah buddies under SNGPL. They weren't apart of the unit but were shoved into the team to save their careers.

Chacha was useless at no 4 and no 5 because he couldn't read Wrist spin so to save his career misbah shoved him at no 7 and babar has sometimes shoved chacha at no 8 or no 9 if a wrist spinner is bowling lol in the same vein as Babar keeps abrar out and abouds bowling shadab to batsmen and only bowls him to no 10.

Rizwan is no different, he played like a tail enders in t20 for years at every position and excluding C string Australia 100's in pindi roads where even Imam ul haq frauded his way to 2 centuries, Rizwan was a tail enders in odi.

In order to save his career, Misbah shoved him at opening in t20 and babar shoved him at no 4 in odi because even though fakhar was providing rr starts and contributing to the no 1 ranked side in t20 and Agha scored back to back half centuries at no 4,

Rizwan who was failing at the lower end had to squeeze threw.

Chacha, Abdullah shafiq, Irfan Khan niazi, Rizwan etc all part of the SNGPL gang of hoodlums.

 

[Rana]

It's a shout. But shouldn't Babar go to #3 given a lot of his dismissals vs spin ?

Kamran and Saud to follow ?

I think Babar bats at 4 because that’s where he is comfortable. You can’t expect him to do something that takes him out of his comfort zone, even if it’s the best for him.

The majority of cricket fans who understand how the game works screamed for Babar to move to no.3 in T20s for the sake of Pakistan cricket. He didn’t budge and held on to the opening spot for as long as he could. Eventually, when he did move to 3, he produced some of his best innings as a T20 batter for Pakistan. Check the records, he’s been very good at number 3 since Hafeez took over. But the moment he got the opportunity to somehow regain control, he pushed himself back to open and started producing the nonsense again.

The guy has serious cricket mental health issues. Just let him be at 4. Test cricket will expose you or elevate you one way or another.

 

[mominsaigol]

It's a shout. But shouldn't Babar go to #3 given a lot of his dismissals vs spin ?

Kamran and Saud to follow ?

Babar should not even be playing a series against Bangladesh in the first place lol. He should be getting out of his comfort zone and not within it.

He should play difficult series against top sides and focus on improving his form which has declined and improve his sr.

He bats at opening in t20 because opening is the easiest position to score, get runs and bat through as well as get milestones. However he doesn't understand the purpose of opening in t20 and it being easy is to utilise the PP hence why your most explosive batsmen play at that no.

No 4 is fine for bobby because it will push him against spin. Even then I'm not happy he's playing this series against a weak time on pindi roads. Such easy batting conditions means he's defo going to perform, his fans will do bhrangra and then he'll get another beating at another tournament.

That's the issue with players like Misbah, Babar, Rizwan. They get angry as soon as you suggest them to shift their positions for the team because their reluctant to improve and get put of their comfort zone.

I still remember rizwan's " I'm not happy batting at no 5" or Misbah's " If I move up the order, who will protect no 5, kya mein chockei nahi Marta?"

 

[Ertugrul_Bey]

Once again missing a leg spinner. These home games are perfect opportunities to groom a new leggie

 

[Professionalismandflair]

All this talk about needing another spinner;

What happened to Mohammad Nawaz?!

I demand a public inquiry!

Pakistan’s very own Wellalage!

He’s useless

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

He’s useless

I am sure every youngster in Pakistan either wants to be an opener or trundler. Tuk tuk or boom boom Generator or spray gun

 

[Bewal Express]

I don't fail to Understand anything.

No one said wk batters can't bat. Moin Lhan could bat very well, Heck wasim bari was a good batsmen it's just his international stats were poor and don't reflect his caliber as a batsmen.

Mattew wade from Australia played a freak innings in 2021 world cup to get Australia into the finals.

However even to this day almost every wk batter is makeshift from no 1 to no 7 and under no circumstances do they replace proper established batsmen in the squad.

The only way that happens is if their genuinely generational batters for their own country, For example gurbaz is average if you compare him to top sides but he's generational for Afghanistan standards considering their lack of infrastructure.

Sarfraz was makeshift and batted where it was required, he didn't replace someone like falhar zaman who is the only batsmen since saeed Anwar who can hit 150+ scores and play the X factor role, Similarly he didn't replace Babar at 3.

Even Kamran Akmal by 2012 started batting at no 7 in the India vs Pakistan odi series because he was no longer needed as an opener.

Rizwan on the other hand alo side Chacha were Misbah buddies under SNGPL. They weren't apart of the unit but were shoved into the team to save their careers.

Chacha was useless at no 4 and no 5 because he couldn't read Wrist spin so to save his career misbah shoved him at no 7 and babar has sometimes shoved chacha at no 8 or no 9 if a wrist spinner is bowling lol in the same vein as Babar keeps abrar out and abouds bowling shadab to batsmen and only bowls him to no 10.

Rizwan is no different, he played like a tail enders in t20 for years at every position and excluding C string Australia 100's in pindi roads where even Imam ul haq frauded his way to 2 centuries, Rizwan was a tail enders in odi.

In order to save his career, Misbah shoved him at opening in t20 and babar shoved him at no 4 in odi because even though fakhar was providing rr starts and contributing to the no 1 ranked side in t20 and Agha scored back to back half centuries at no 4,

Rizwan who was failing at the lower end had to squeeze threw.

Chacha, Abdullah shafiq, Irfan Khan niazi, Rizwan etc all part of the SNGPL gang of hoodlums.

So Buttler and Bairstow were makeshift but helped win a WC. Pants moved up the order and didn't kick out batsman and was part of a team that won the WC.

I am.confused as to what you are saying.

These are WKs that are excellent batsman and they are used by teams as part of strategy. I think you have you knickers in a twist because you think Riz has kept out guys like FZ with an average 22 over 90 matches with a SR of 132 and he has a licence to play. It's hardly earth shattering. I accept that taking a pure average can hide many factors and statistics aren't wholesome. Let's look at Sharjeel,another that is often quoted on here as a saviour. An average of 22 with a SR of 133. So this idea that we had some amazing players not given chances is just plain rubbish. Riz is limited relative to International players but compared to the others in our team, he is Don Bradman.

 

[Bewal Express]

Babar should not even be playing a series against Bangladesh in the first place lol. He should be getting out of his comfort zone and not within it.

He should play difficult series against top sides and focus on improving his form which has declined and improve his sr.

He bats at opening in t20 because opening is the easiest position to score, get runs and bat through as well as get milestones. However he doesn't understand the purpose of opening in t20 and it being easy is to utilise the PP hence why your most explosive batsmen play at that no.

No 4 is fine for bobby because it will push him against spin. Even then I'm not happy he's playing this series against a weak time on pindi roads. Such easy batting conditions means he's defo going to perform, his fans will do bhrangra and then he'll get another beating at another tournament.

That's the issue with players like Misbah, Babar, Rizwan. They get angry as soon as you suggest them to shift their positions for the team because their reluctant to improve and get put of their comfort zone.

I still remember rizwan's " I'm not happy batting at no 5" or Misbah's " If I move up the order, who will protect no 5, kya mein chockei nahi Marta?"

So you want Babar dropped. What is wrong with you guys

 

[TeymurBlake]

1. Abdullah Shafique
2. Mohammad Hurraira
3. Shan Masood (C)
4. Babar Azam
5. Saud Shakeel
6. Mohammad Rizwan (WK)
7. Agha Ali Salman
8. Naseem Shah
9. Khurram Shehzad
10. Mir Hamza/Shaheen Shah Afridi
11. Abrar Ahmed

I would continue with Shafique opening & trust Mir Hamza with the new bowl instead of Shaheen.

 

[mominsaigol]

So Buttler and Bairstow were makeshift but helped win a WC. Pants moved up the order and didn't kick out batsman and was part of a team that won the WC.
I am.confused as to what you are saying. These are WKs that are excellent batsman and they are used by teams as part of strategy. I think you have you knickers in a twist because you think Riz has kept out guys like FZ with an average 22 over 90 matches with a SR of 132 and he has a licence to play. It's hardly earth shattering. I accept that taking a pure average can hide many factors and statistics aren't wholesome. Let's look at Sharjeel,another that is often quoted on here as a saviour. An average of 22 with a SR of 133. So this idea that we had some amazing players not given chances is just plain rubbish. Riz is limited relative to International players but compared to the others in our team, he is Don Bradman.

Butler is a once in a generational Talent who is England's Greatest wk batsmen ever all time, I mentioned clearly Gilchrist, Butler, Qdk are exceptions for very obvious reasons.

The rest are not. Pant, Sanju Sampson and KL rahul are all makeshift batters who slot anywhere from no 1 to no 5, They don't inheritanly block pathways for anyone. Same case with wade, Carrey and Inglis.

Rizwan isn't one of them, He's a failure who was boosted up the order so his career could be saved.

You people view cricket as a simulator game, It's the same reason why that nonsense Misbah vs Inzi thread was made lol.

 

[mominsaigol]

So Buttler and Bairstow were makeshift but helped win a WC. Pants moved up the order and didn't kick out batsman and was part of a team that won the WC.
I am.confused as to what you are saying. These are WKs that are excellent batsman and they are used by teams as part of strategy. I think you have you knickers in a twist because you think Riz has kept out guys like FZ with an average 22 over 90 matches with a SR of 132 and he has a licence to play. It's hardly earth shattering. I accept that taking a pure average can hide many factors and statistics aren't wholesome. Let's look at Sharjeel,another that is often quoted on here as a saviour. An average of 22 with a SR of 133. So this idea that we had some amazing players not given chances is just plain rubbish. Riz is limited relative to International players but compared to the others in our team, he is Don Bradman.

Rizwan is Don Bradman compares to others?

This is probably the worst take I have seen on here, and this is the very same place I've heard the phrase of wanting to ban India in totality from cricket because IPL is too entertaining for some.

 

[mominsaigol]

Very long list but we have watched his career. We know, and also the other teams know that he is our best player although recently he has struggled.

Let's come back to this argument.

1) Firstly who's We?

2) Secondly saying I have watched this and that is not a counter by any metric. It doesn't debunk the present information I presented, nor does it address it.

 

[Bewal Express]

Let's come back to this argument.

1) Firstly who's We?

2) Secondly saying I have watched this and that is not a counter by any metric. It doesn't debunk the present information I presented, nor does it address it.

We are the fans. Who are you

 

[Bewal Express]

Rizwan is Don Bradman compares to others?

This is probably the worst take I have seen on here, and this is the very same place I've heard the phrase of wanting to ban India in totality from cricket because IPL is too entertaining for some.

So who are these amazing players that Riz has displaced unjustly.
Compared to the match fixers and lard arses you keep talking about. Riz averages more than Twice the guys you guys talk about- 48 with a SR of 126. What did Bradman do in his career compared to the others.

 

[Bewal Express]

Butler is a once in a generational Talent who is England's Greatest wk batsmen ever all time, I mentioned clearly Gilchrist, Butler, Qdk are exceptions for very obvious reasons.

The rest are not. Pant, Sanju Sampson and KL rahul are all makeshift batters who slot anywhere from no 1 to no 5, They don't inheritanly block pathways for anyone. Same case with wade, Carrey and Inglis.

Rizwan isn't one of them, He's a failure who was boosted up the order so his career could be saved.

You people view cricket as a simulator game, It's the same reason why that nonsense Misbah vs Inzi thread was made lol.

Well you disproved your own theory. What about Sanga? Does he not count? Wk and batsman. Does Dhoni not count. I got no idea what you are on about. Not all WK batsman are going to succeed but they bring balance.

 

[Omer2002]

Well you disproved your own theory. What about Sanga? Does he not count? Wk and batsman. Does Dhoni not count. I got no idea what you are on about. Not all WK batsman are going to succeed but they bring balance.

Kamran gulaam is just average he had just one good season..same with hurraira but as we are desperate i think he can do a yunus khan role..saim.is no where ready. Finally i was fan of saud shakeel too but again he hasnt lit the world on fire i would even say Indias washington Sundar and Axar Patel are bettee than these so called batters

 

[Bewal Express]

Kamran gulaam is just average he had just one good season..same with hurraira but as we are desperate i think he can do a yunus khan role..saim.is no where ready. Finally i was fan of saud shakeel too but again he hasnt lit the world on fire i would even say Indias washington Sundar and Axar Patel are bettee than these so called batters

What you are saying is what we know, our players are very average. You would think that Babar and Riz are holding back Viv and Sachin, when we know that the next guys are very,very average. Kamran deserves his chance because of his runs but is the FC capable of filtering out the dross? Not on the evidence we have seen. Hurraira is a good player of spin like his uncle but looks awkward against the quicker bowlers. I like Saud because he has shown real improvement on the SC wickets, he struggled on the quicker wickets in Australia and that will be a problem for him if he hopes to become anything better than average

 

[Cricket Warrior]

Shan Masood
Abdullah Shafique
Babar Azam
Saud Shakeel
Salman Ali Agha
Kamran Ghulam
Mohammad Rizwan
Aamir Jamal
Abrar Ahmed
Naseem Shah
Shaheen Shah Afridi




Khurram Shahzad,
Mohammad Ali,
Mohammad Huraira,
Saim Ayub,

I think Kamran Ghulam must play ahead Salman Ali Agha and we cant go with Amir Jamal as 3rd tast bowler... we need experienced bowler like Kamran Shahzad as a 3rd seamer.

 

[Aqib_mustafa]

What you are saying is what we know, our players are very average. You would think that Babar and Riz are holding back Viv and Sachin, when we know that the next guys are very,very average. Kamran deserves his chance because of his runs but is the FC capable of filtering out the dross? Not on the evidence we have seen. Hurraira is a good player of spin like his uncle but looks awkward against the quicker bowlers. I like Saud because he has shown real improvement on the SC wickets, he struggled on the quicker wickets in Australia and that will be a problem for him if he hopes to become anything better than average

Bro hurriara can be younis khan because he is young and i want to ask are you happy with the squad looks quite refreshing and nice but do you see lack of spinner a issue or pak are covered with all bases?

 

[Bewal Express]

Bro hurriara can be younis khan because he is young and i want to ask are you happy with the squad looks quite refreshing and nice but do you see lack of spinner a issue or pak are covered with all bases?

Let's hope so. We need at least 6-8 young batsman to force each other to improve through competition. Our young batsman are poor at developing into even half decent batsman.

 

[Shoaib Akhtar 100 MPH]

How can you find out if someone has class or not, without trying them.

If are scared to give chances to young guys against one of the weakest test opposition in the World, then we might as well quit test cricket.

Its not a question of scared.

Name the names of any young WK that currently merits Test selection at the moment because I cant think of one.

I'm all for young players that are deserving of a shot but test cricket isn't the format to try out players for the sake of it.

T20 is the format to experiment in.

 

[Bewal Express]

Our team is at the lowest ebb since the 2010 match fixing scandal. Our bowling is weak, we don't bowl out sides when it matters and worse still,most of the time on flat wickets we don't even look like bowling good teams. Our batting flat tracks is OK, it's the pace and bounce that causes our batters problems

 

[Shoaib Akhtar 100 MPH]

Butler is a once in a generational Talent who is England's Greatest wk batsmen ever all time, I mentioned clearly Gilchrist, Butler, Qdk are exceptions for very obvious reasons.

The rest are not. Pant, Sanju Sampson and KL rahul are all makeshift batters who slot anywhere from no 1 to no 5, They don't inheritanly block pathways for anyone. Same case with wade, Carrey and Inglis.

Rizwan isn't one of them, He's a failure who was boosted up the order so his career could be saved.

You people view cricket as a simulator game, It's the same reason why that nonsense Misbah vs Inzi thread was made lol.

In whose world is Butler England s greatest ever WK batter.

Alec Stewart faced a higher calibre of bowlers during his career and was outstanding for England in Tests amd ODi s.

Butler is a failed Test player but good in the shorter formats.

Alan knot was England's Greatest out and out WK.

 

[mominsaigol]

Well you disproved your own theory. What about Sanga? Does he not count? Wk and batsman. Does Dhoni not count. I got no idea what you are on about. Not all WK batsman are going to succeed but they bring balance.

You're not even making any sense.

You're choosing 2 all time greats and are comparing them to rizwan lol

 

[mominsaigol]

So who are these amazing players that Riz has displaced unjustly.
Compared to the match fixers and lard arses you keep talking about. Riz averages more than Twice the guys you guys talk about- 48 with a SR of 126. What did Bradman do in his career compared to the others.

You genuinely have no clue what you're talking about.

Avg and SR are interlinked. If a player doesn't perform then the SR decreases.

Check Fakhar's SR when he hit 91 or his sr during his 150+ exploits and see how high is sr is.

T20 is where averages don't matter which is why rizwan had been a bottle job.

 

[mominsaigol]

We are the fans. Who are you

So you speak as a collective entity? How many share your point of view?

 

[Bewal Express]

So you speak as a collective entity? How many share your point of view?

Who is the biggest brand in PK cricket

 

[Bewal Express]

You genuinely have no clue what you're talking about.

Avg and SR are interlinked. If a player doesn't perform then the SR decreases.

Check Fakhar's SR when he hit 91 or his sr during his 150+ exploits and see how high is sr is.

T20 is where averages don't matter which is why rizwan had been a bottle job.

So averages don't matter. So if the average of each player is 5, how many runs will the team score,

 

[Bewal Express]

You're not even making any sense.

You're choosing 2 all time greats and are comparing them to rizwan lol

Who has the highest average? Riz or these 2 greats?

 

[Bewal Express]

You genuinely have no clue what you're talking about.

Avg and SR are interlinked. If a player doesn't perform then the SR decreases.

Check Fakhar's SR when he hit 91 or his sr during his 150+ exploits and see how high is sr is.

T20 is where averages don't matter which is why rizwan had been a bottle job.

Listen, you need to leave your couch and get out more. If you claim that Riz and Babar are useless, name some alternatives. There was some guy that wanted AA as captain, Sharjeel and even UA.

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

Listen, you need to leave your couch and get out more. If you claim that Riz and Babar are useless, name some alternatives. There was some guy that wanted AA as captain, Sharjeel and even UA.

AA and UA later order is better than Ifti/Shadab

 

[Bewal Express]

AA and UA later order is better than Ifti/Shadab

We saw AA in Australia and he looked worse than a number 10. Get rid of all these guys but you need proper alternatives. So far the only suggestions are tried and tested failures.

 

[mominsaigol]

Who has the highest average? Riz or these 2 greats?

By 100% honest. Who is the better T20 batter. Travis Head or Rizwan?

 

[mominsaigol]

Listen, you need to leave your couch and get out more. If you claim that Riz and Babar are useless, name some alternatives. There was some guy that wanted AA as captain, Sharjeel and even UA.

And you need to start addressing the actual arguments rather then go on an sarcastic Insult spree.

 

[mominsaigol]

So averages don't matter. So if the average of each player is 5, how many runs will the team score,

I said their interlinked, not that they don't matter. Again you need better comprehension skills

 

[mominsaigol]

Who is the biggest brand in PK cricket

My point is you're one person with an opinion and not a collective entity.

People will not have the exact same viewpoint as you for obvious reasons.

At best they can have a similar viewpoint but not the same one. In other words this WE WE mantra has no rhyme or reason to be applicable.

 

[Bewal Express]

My point is you're one person with an opinion and not a collective entity.

People will not have the exact same viewpoint as you for obvious reasons.

At best they can have a similar viewpoint but not the same one. In other words this WE WE mantra has no rhyme or reason to be applicable.

No. Babar and Riz have 1000s of followers so it is a we. You may not be part of the we but that is fine

 

[Bewal Express]

And you need to start addressing the actual arguments rather then go on an sarcastic Insult spree.

What is your point. All i see is lots of rubbish from you. Answer the point and make suggestions on alternatives. I support PK so anyone that will make us better is good with me. So the forum is yours

 

[Bewal Express]

By 100% honest. Who is the better T20 batter. Travis Head or Rizwan?

Is Travis available to play for PK? Tell me an alternative to Riz that isn't getting a game for PK because of Riz.

 

[mominsaigol]

Is Travis available to play for PK? Tell me an alternative to Riz that isn't getting a game for PK because of Riz.

Again who is the better t20 player Travis or Rizwan?

 

[mominsaigol]

You asked about the average and then I explained that if all the players averaged 5, you have kacked you pants. Why

Because your argument is meaningless, it's a hypothetical scenario and none of the players that I've mentioned like sanga or butler average 5

 

[Bewal Express]

Because your argument is meaningless, it's a hypothetical scenario and none of the players that I've mentioned like sanga or butler average 5

Answer the point. You brought up averages not mattering, so answer the point

 

[Bewal Express]

Again who is the better t20 player Travis or Rizwan?

Why does that matter? If Travis was a PK then it's a question worth discussing.

 

[Rana]

Why does that matter? If Travis was a PK then it's a question worth discussing.

Just answer the question. Who’s a better T20 opener, Head or Rizwan?

 

[Cricket Warrior]

No more personal comments guys. It's better to stick to the topic and discuss it maturely or better leave this thread.

 

[Rana]

Answer the point. You brought up averages not mattering, so answer the point or does your intellect not allow you to.

Rizwan averages 48
Babar averages 43

Pakistan are ranked 7
They got beaten by USA and didn’t make it to the next round of the T20 World Cup


Where does Babar and Rizwan’s average matter?

 

[mominsaigol]

Answer the point. You brought up averages not mattering, so answer the point

It's not my fault you took the argument so literally.

The whole argument was that averages and SR are interlinked.

None of the people we have discussed have an average of 5, so it's meaningless.

 

[mominsaigol]

Why does that matter? If Travis was a PK then it's a question worth discussing.

Your argument was Rizwan averages more then 2x the guys I talk about, And I talked about QDK, Butler, Travis etc etc.

So who is the better t20 opener, Travis or Rizwan.

 

[mominsaigol]

Rizwan averages 48
Babar averages 43

Pakistan are ranked 7
They got beaten by USA and didn’t make it to the next round of the T20 World Cup


Where does Babar and Rizwan’s average matter?

Theor tournament averages against top sides plummet like a house of cards.

48 avg on pindi roads opening against C sides where Tom Latham of all people is opening due to zero resources HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Truth is, we have no back up as of yet for Babar, and RIzwan in red ball format and TBH, these guys are not that bad in test cricket. You can question rizwan's or Babar's T20 place but in tests, nay.

 

[shamaan]

Saim
Abdullah
Shan
Babar
Saud
Rizwan
Agha
Shaheen
Naseem
Shehzad
Abrar

 

[Bewal Express]

Your argument was Rizwan averages more then 2x the guys I talk about, And I talked about QDK, Butler, Travis etc etc.

So who is the better t20 opener, Travis or Rizwan.

No,he averages 2× any other PK that you guys jabber on about..

 

[Bewal Express]

It's not my fault you took the argument so literally.

The whole argument was that averages and SR are interlinked.

None of the people we have discussed have an average of 5, so it's meaningless.

So you have no idea of averages relate to overall picture. Thanks

 

[Bewal Express]

Rizwan averages 48
Babar averages 43

Pakistan are ranked 7
They got beaten by USA and didn’t make it to the next round of the T20 World Cup


Where does Babar and Rizwan’s average matter?

We didnt lose and dont lose just because they are failing. Do the other batsman not have any role, although they take the biggest responsibility as the senior players.
So lets drop them and but please name alternatives and don't give me Sharjeel, the tailender AA and the UA.

 

[Bewal Express]

Just answer the question. Who’s a better T20 opener, Head or Rizwan?

As we are talking PK players, why does it matter. It shows how silly you guys are. If Travis was a PK then it's more than a relevant Question but as he isn't, he could be Viv or Kohli, it's irrelevant.

 

[Rana]

As we are talking PK players, why does it matter. It shows how silly you guys are. If Travis was a PK then it's more than a relevant Question but as he isn't, he could be Viv or Kohli, it's irrelevant.

Who is a better T20 opener, Head or Rizwan?

Do you concede it is Travis Head?

 

[Rana]

We didnt lose and dont lose just because they are failing. Do the other batsman not have any role, although they take the biggest responsibility as the senior players.
So lets drop them and but please name alternatives and don't give me Sharjeel, the tailender AA and the UA.

Drop them and see what happens

Replace them with anyone. You are 7th, not 1 loool

 

[mominsaigol]

No,he averages 2× any other PK that you guys jabber on about..

Why is it so difficult to answer the question of Travis head vs Rizwan? Is it because it shoes how faulty your average argument is?

 

[mominsaigol]

So you have no idea of averages relate to overall picture. Thanks

No it's you who has no idea and are deliberately avoiding the question.

I asked who's better Travis head or Rizwan as an opener. Whether TH is a pakistani or not is irrelevant.

I repeat who's a better opening batsmen between these 2. Travis head averages 33 in t20 and Rizwan Averages 48 so who's superior between these 2?

 

[mominsaigol]

As we are talking PK players, why does it matter. It shows how silly you guys are. If Travis was a PK then it's more than a relevant Question but as he isn't, he could be Viv or Kohli, it's irrelevant.

Wrong, you shifted the argument when you got cornered.

I never once brought up Pakistani players. My discussion that you responded to was the role of specialist keepers and why people like rizwan are outside their jurisdiction.

I claimed the only rhyme or reason for a wk to replace actual batsmen is if their once in a generational talents.

Sanga, Butler, Gilchrist, Dhoni are all generational talents otherwise wk batters are historically makeshift which is the case qith Pant and wade etc.

You shifted the focal point to talk about rizwan as am opener and talk about his glorious average which is why Travis head is now brought in since he's an opener.

Pakistani players are irrelevant to the discussion, I asked a simple question whose a superior batsmen between the 2, Travis or Rizwan. Rizwan has a higher average then Travis correct.

So it should be a very simple answer for you.

 

[mominsaigol]

Drop them and see what happens

Replace them with anyone. You are 7th, not 1 loool

@Bewal Express I have a better question for you.

What's the avg and sr of Babar and rizwan in tournaments specifically 2022 and 2024 t20 wc?

It's easy to score on Ireland and pindi school boy pitches. Hence Imam averaging 63 in pindi but 23 overseas.

 

[Bewal Express]

@Bewal Express I have a better question for you.

What's the avg and sr of Babar and rizwan in tournaments specifically 2022 and 2024 t20 wc?

It's easy to score on Ireland and pindi school boy pitches. Hence Imam averaging 63 in pindi but 23 overseas.

I asked you a simple question- give me alternatives to these guys that are credible. Instead you keep avoiding the question. I want PK to win, if we have better players than these 2,let's get them in. But who are they?

 

[mominsaigol]

I asked you a simple question- give me alternatives to these guys that are credible. Instead you keep avoiding the question. I want PK to win, if we have better players than these 2,let's get them in. But who are they?

Actually you're avoiding my question on Travis vs Rizwan.

I already answered your question bit since you cannot read I'll answer it again. FAKHAR ZAMAN TO OPEN IN T20, SAUD AT 4 FOR ODI.

Now please answer the Travis head vs Rizwan question rather then avoiding me for the 100th time or trying to say such as WHAT? FAKHAR AT OPENING HAVE YOU SEEN HIS STATS BRO?

 

[Bewal Express]

Wrong, you shifted the argument when you got cornered.

I never once brought up Pakistani players. My discussion that you responded to was the role of specialist keepers and why people like rizwan are outside their jurisdiction.

I claimed the only rhyme or reason for a wk to replace actual batsmen is if their once in a generational talents.

Sanga, Butler, Gilchrist, Dhoni are all generational talents otherwise wk batters are historically makeshift which is the case qith Pant and wade etc.

You shifted the focal point to talk about rizwan as am opener and talk about his glorious average which is why Travis head is now brought in since he's an opener.

Pakistani players are irrelevant to the discussion, I asked a simple question whose a superior batsmen between the 2, Travis or Rizwan. Rizwan has a higher average then Travis correct.

So it should be a very simple answer for you.

I am talking about PK players. It makes no difference if Riz is 10× worse Travis or Sharma because they can't play for PK. If Riz is holding others back, then who are they.

 

[Bewal Express]

No it's you who has no idea and are deliberately avoiding the question.

I asked who's better Travis head or Rizwan as an opener. Whether TH is a pakistani or not is irrelevant.

I repeat who's a better opening batsmen between these 2. Travis head averages 33 in t20 and Rizwan Averages 48 so who's superior between these 2?

I have replied to you. We are not looking to improve the World 11, we want a better PK team. So who are the guys that are better than these guys. I am all ears