Pakistan Team - KashmirLivesMatter @ T20 World Cup in India

[KingKhanWC]

It seems Pakistan will be heading off to the enemy nation next year for the T20 world cup.

This is a perfect opporunity to highlight the oppression of Kashmiris by the Indian state.

If BlackLivesMatter can be highlighted in cricket, there shouldnt be a problem with Pakistan highligthing the lives of Kashmiris who are actually suffering more than blacks in the US as a community.

I would suggest temp tattoos on their arms with the Kashmiri flag.

India will of course cry over this but it will highlight to the world, there are others whose lives matter too.

 

[CanadianG00se]

If its ‘temp’ tattoos or tattoo sleeves, then ICC will sanction it, citing violations.

And

If its permanent, then wouldn’t that be ‘haram’ as per muslim traditions?

 

[cricketjoshila]

No political messages will be allowed by ICC and BCCI will make sure of it. And PCB will have to abide.

 

[KingKhanWC]

If its ‘temp’ tattoos or tattoo sleeves, then ICC will sanction it, citing violations.

And

If its permanent, then wouldn’t that be ‘haram’ as per muslim traditions?

No political messages will be allowed by ICC and BCCI will make sure of it. And PCB will have to abide.

England, Windies and Ireland all showed political messages, even kneeling on more than one occasion. Are Kashmiri lives less valuable than Black lives according to the ICC?

I dont judge who is a Muslim or what they do is haraam. It may be argued its fine if it helps saving a life which overrules almost all Islamic conditions for Muslims.

ICC can fine Pak team, which would be great as this would highlight the issue even more.

I dont know if Pak team will do this, but if I was a player, I certainly would, perfect chance.

 

[cricketjoshila]

England, Windies and Ireland all showed political messages, even kneeling on more than one occasion. Are Kashmiri lives less valuable than Black lives according to the ICC?

I dont judge who is a Muslim or what they do is haraam. It may be argued its fine if it helps saving a life which overrules almost all Islamic conditions for Muslims.

ICC can fine Pak team, which would be great as this would highlight the issue even more.

I dont know if Pak team will do this, but if I was a player, I certainly would, perfect chance.

ICC can dock points. ICC can even ban players.

BLM was not against any country, it was not a political message.

Remember when Moeen Ali tried his Save Gaza stunt, he was stopped by the ICC.

 

[Giannis]

Better than this, Pakistan should get some Kashmiri players from India to defect and then give them citizeship and let them play for pakistan

 

[KingKhanWC]

ICC can dock points. ICC can even ban players.

BLM was not against any country, it was not a political message.

Remember when Moeen Ali tried his Save Gaza stunt, he was stopped by the ICC.

BLM was founded to be against brutality towards blacks in the US. It has nothing to do with the rest of the world even if they now slightly claim it's for all blacks.

Nobody has to mention India but only to say Kashmirilivesmatter too.

ICC wont ban any player but if they do, more publcity. Only RSS type Indians would defend Indias actions in Kashmir, most of the world will side with them as they should.

Pakistan could also at the last min decide not to play in India, due to safety concerns also to voice their disgust at their treatments.

India used army political references, about time Pak woke up and made their point too.

 

[El Generico]

ICC can dock points. ICC can even ban players.

BLM was not against any country, it was not a political message.

Remember when Moeen Ali tried his Save Gaza stunt, he was stopped by the ICC.

Just like Dhoni was forced to take his gloves off after his little army gloves schtick. Surprising that you brought up Moeen Ali's incident from half a decade ago but not what happened to Dhoni last year.

 

[El Generico]

@Op, It's a good suggestion but even if ICC allows it, i think the players safety would genuinely be a concern if they did this. There is rabid hatred in India for Pakistani anyways and something like could result in one of the lunatic terrorist groups there attacking the team.

Boycotting the tournament would probably be the better option if Pakistan does want to take a stand. It would suck not to see Pakistan at the WC but imo it would be worth it.

 

[Romali_rotti]

It seems Pakistan will be heading off to the enemy nation next year for the T20 world cup.

This is a perfect opporunity to highlight the oppression of Kashmiris by the Indian state.

If BlackLivesMatter can be highlighted in cricket, there shouldnt be a problem with Pakistan highligthing the lives of Kashmiris who are actually suffering more than blacks in the US as a community.

I would suggest temp tattoos on their arms with the Kashmiri flag.

India will of course cry over this but it will highlight to the world, there are others whose lives matter too.

Bro,

I hear what you are saying, however problem is because Kashmiri lives matter's main backing is Pakistan, rest of the world barring China which most of the world currently dislikes no would back the movement. Problem is Pakistan's credibility, in the international arena, Pakistan is known for:

Qadir Khan - Nuclear proliferation
OBL - Well he is quite famous as you know.
Masood Azhar - UN listed terrorist, his buddies hijacked a plane with citizens from other countries not just India, threatened to kill them if not for his release.

I can go on and on, Pakistan is a country that no one really takes seriously so the success you would have pushing the Kashmiri cause most likely will be pretty much how successful you are currently.


Is there much point ? International community will always be on India's side...

 

[offstump]

In all seriousness, it may not even be safe for Pakistan to tour india unless the BCCI and the Indian government can guarantee their security.

 

[Mesozoic]

@Op, It's a good suggestion but even if ICC allows it, i think the players safety would genuinely be a concern if they did this. There is rabid hatred in India for Pakistani anyways and something like could result in one of the lunatic terrorist groups there attacking the team.

Boycotting the tournament would probably be the better option if Pakistan does want to take a stand. It would suck not to see Pakistan at the WC but imo it would be worth it.

Lunatic terrorist groups ?

Do you think this is Pakistan where people can throw grenades and use rocket launchers on touring cricket teams in broad daylight ?

Or do you think it's India where UN designated terrorists roam on streets and are in the FATF list ?

 

[pillionrider]

Time for Pakistan to walk the talk and put their money where their mouth is rather than their foot

Better than this, Pakistan should get some Kashmiri players from India to defect and then give them citizeship and let them play for pakistan

Are Pakistan finding it that hard to put together a T20 team

 

[Giannis]

Time for Pakistan to walk the talk and put their money where their mouth is rather than their foot



Are Pakistan finding it that hard to put together a T20 team

Nope, for politcal reasons.

 

[OldWarHorse]

Better than this, Pakistan should get some Kashmiri players from India to defect and then give them citizeship and let them play for pakistan

Even a Ranji level domestic player in India is financially very well off. Why would he want to drop all that to go play in Pakistan where financial security may not be so.

 

[Giannis]

Even a Ranji level domestic player in India is financially very well off. Why would he want to drop all that to go play in Pakistan where financial security may not be so.

It's not about money but values and principles (a la Kaepernic, Muhammad Ali etc). If there are Kashmiri players that are unhappy with what's happening in Iok then pakistan should offer them an option to defect and then give them a test cap.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Most importantly, try to win some games too.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Lunatic terrorist groups ?

Do you think this is Pakistan where people can throw grenades and use rocket launchers on touring cricket teams in broad daylight ?

Or do you think it's India where UN designated terrorists roam on streets and are in the FATF list ?

Yes I was surprised to read that.

Indian style of venting anger against muslims is more limited to ganging up on 1-2 weak muslims, beating them up sith bamboo sticks, burning them alive on the streets in front of supportive policemen and media, maybe rape a few muslim women nearby.

I don't think many of these people can take out a an entire team bus with small scale missiles, grenades and what not.

I can imagine a random Pakistani cricketer being stabbed by knife in an open shopping area in Delhi, Mumbai but why would you go shopping in open given the circumstances.

If they stick to their hotels and grounds, they will be safe.

Verbal abuse at boundary line cannot be ruled out. Their God will be targeted specifically now that we have beaten the hell out of our own muslims into being more docile and agreeable to our every day muslim bashing.

 

[OldWarHorse]

It's not about money but values and principles (a la Kaepernic, Muhammad Ali etc). If there are Kashmiri players that are unhappy with what's happening in Iok then pakistan should offer them an option to defect and then give them a test cap.

So what get directly into the national team without domestic? Or a quota system for Kashmiris?
I would like to see Pakistan doing something stupid like that. Will make a mockery of their cricket system.

 

[Giannis]

So what get directly into the national team without domestic? Or a quota system for Kashmiris?
I would like to see Pakistan doing something stupid like that. Will make a mockery of their cricket system.

No quota system or anything. Just one or two caps for honorary reasons, play a few games kinda like how Fawad Ahmed played for Australia - it was historic but not like they had to create a separate quota for him (although they did amend immigration laws cause of him).

 

[OldWarHorse]

No quota system or anything. Just one or two caps for honorary reasons, play a few games kinda like how Fawad Ahmed played for Australia - it was historic but not like they had to create a separate quota for him (although they did amend immigration laws cause of him).

Yeah so screw up his current cricket career with a substantial income playing under the biggest board for one or two games with Pakistan. Yeah right, would be incredible to see somebody go ahead and do that.

 

[cricketjoshila]

BLM was founded to be against brutality towards blacks in the US. It has nothing to do with the rest of the world even if they now slightly claim it's for all blacks.

Nobody has to mention India but only to say Kashmirilivesmatter too.

ICC wont ban any player but if they do, more publcity. Only RSS type Indians would defend Indias actions in Kashmir, most of the world will side with them as they should.

Pakistan could also at the last min decide not to play in India, due to safety concerns also to voice their disgust at their treatments.

India used army political references, about time Pak woke up and made their point too.

PCB will simply do what ICC tells them to. You can jump around here, but PCB wont.

Pakistani PM is reduced to twitter rants on kashmir. Thats the amount of support he has.

 

[Forward Defensive Push]

It seems Pakistan will be heading off to the enemy nation next year for the T20 world cup.

This is a perfect opporunity to highlight the oppression of Kashmiris by the Indian state.

If BlackLivesMatter can be highlighted in cricket, there shouldnt be a problem with Pakistan highligthing the lives of Kashmiris who are actually suffering more than blacks in the US as a community.

I would suggest temp tattoos on their arms with the Kashmiri flag.

India will of course cry over this but it will highlight to the world, there are others whose lives matter too.

Do you really think that is possible and will Indians just cry? Our players may be in danger if they do something like that. Can’t really mix sports with politics. Maybe winning the trophy is a more fitting reply.

 

[Rajdeep]

Why dont OP makes a visit to India himself during T20 WC with 'Kashmir life matter' banner? Visa should not be a problem considering he is British. It is very easy to sit safe in UK behind computer screen and lambi lambi fekna. Hilarious.

If he is so concerned about Kashmiris, come here and spread the message yourself rather than shooting it from innocent players shoulders who will be here to just play cricket. Internet is a funny world which gives people a false sense of bravado but in real life OP wont be carrying such banner even in Southall, let alone in India.

 

[sweep_shot]

Since BLM was allowed, I don't see anything wrong with KLM (Kashmiri Lives Matter).

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Why dont OP makes a visit to India himself during T20 WC with 'Kashmir life matter' banner? Visa should not be a problem considering he is British. It is very easy to sit safe in UK behind computer screen and lambi lambi fekna. Hilarious.

If he is so concerned about Kashmiris, come here and spread the message yourself rather than shooting it from innocent players shoulders who will be here to just play cricket. Internet is a funny world which gives people a false sense of bravado but in real life OP wont be carrying such banner even in Southall, let alone in India.

He will get mob lynched by jaahil bhakhts if he ever tries to do that in India. Nobody can dare to touch Pakistani players though because of security may be that is why he wants them to protest instead.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Since BLM was allowed, I don't see anything wrong with KLM (Kashmiri Lives Matter).

They should do it once, bans or fines can be paid later. News will be published everywhere and Kashmir issue will get the limelight. Also if army caps are allowed then this shouldn't be a problem.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

PCB will simply do what ICC tells them to. You can jump around here, but PCB wont.

Pakistani PM is reduced to twitter rants on kashmir. Thats the amount of support he has.

Do you support what is happening in Kashmir? How will you react if you were put in similar situation? How will you post if they put you on 2G or slow internet?

 

[Rajdeep]

He will get mob lynched by jaahil bhakhts if he ever tries to do that in India. Nobody can dare to touch Pakistani players though because of security may be that is why he wants them to protest instead.

Players can get attacked too, it has happened before. Why would in the middle of a world cup players would take any such risk? If OP is so concerned, he should do it himself rather than shooting it from others shoulder.

India's version of Kashmir is different to a Pakistani. There are ofcourse few traitors (you know it best) but most believe Kashmir belongs to India, Pandits have been immorally removed and supports the act of Indian govt. So if any Pakistani hold a banner "Kashmiris life matters" in India, he will definitely get attacked. Similarly, how an Indian would get attacked in Pakistan if they show support towards Israel.

 

[Rajdeep]

Do you support what is happening in Kashmir? How will you react if you were put in similar situation? How will you post if they put you on 2G or slow internet?

Not sure about him...but I totally support everything happening in Kashmir

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Not sure about him...but I totally support everything happening in Kashmir

Not surprised at all.

 

[gani999]

Yes I was surprised to read that.

Indian style of venting anger against muslims is more limited to ganging up on 1-2 weak muslims, beating them up sith bamboo sticks, burning them alive on the streets in front of supportive policemen and media, maybe rape a few muslim women nearby.

I don't think many of these people can take out a an entire team bus with small scale missiles, grenades and what not.

I can imagine a random Pakistani cricketer being stabbed by knife in an open shopping area in Delhi, Mumbai but why would you go shopping in open given the circumstances.

If they stick to their hotels and grounds, they will be safe.

Verbal abuse at boundary line cannot be ruled out. Their God will be targeted specifically now that we have beaten the hell out of our own muslims into being more docile and agreeable to our every day muslim bashing.

On the contrary, Pakistan is likely to have decent support in places like Hyderabad, Lucknow or even Kolkata.

 

[gani999]

Better than this, Pakistan should get some Kashmiri players from India to defect and then give them citizeship and let them play for pakistan

Excellent idea. I don't know why Pakistan has not done that yet? If I were in IK's position I would announce a Pakistan citizenship on arrival program for all Indian muslims. No better way to show Hindutva Facist India it's place.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Since BLM was allowed, I don't see anything wrong with KLM (Kashmiri Lives Matter).

BLM was not a political message.
Kashmir one is.

Just because Pakistanis want something, doesn't mean they will get it.

 

[fitCricFan]

It seems Pakistan will be heading off to the enemy nation next year for the T20 world cup.

This is a perfect opporunity to highlight the oppression of Kashmiris by the Indian state.

If BlackLivesMatter can be highlighted in cricket, there shouldnt be a problem with Pakistan highligthing the lives of Kashmiris who are actually suffering more than blacks in the US as a community.

I would suggest temp tattoos on their arms with the Kashmiri flag.

India will of course cry over this but it will highlight to the world, there are others whose lives matter too.

They don't have to cry, they can very well reciprocate with Baloch Lives Matter and Sindh Lives Matter and can also bring in the BLA flag to the party.

Stupidity and arrogance should have its limits

 

[PakLFC]

Kashmir can only be resolved with a shamsheer. All other forms of protest are useless. We need to take it like we did Pakistan and AJK.

 

[Abdullah719]

Not happening.

 

[moghul]

If its ‘temp’ tattoos or tattoo sleeves, then ICC will sanction it, citing violations.

And

If its permanent, then wouldn’t that be ‘haram’ as per muslim traditions?

What is base of this fatwa ?

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

If the PCB has any self respect then they won't go or firstly send a letter inquiring if Indians will stop the genocide in Kashmir if they tour.

I am sure Wasim Khan will not be fooled they way Najam Sethi was with some not binding agreements.

 

[prakash]

If I were in IK's position I would announce a Pakistan citizenship on arrival program for all Indian muslims.

I really wish this happens. Really curious to see how many will opt for Pak citizenship. Will it be in hundreds, thousands, millions? This will settle once for all if muslims are safe and happy in India or in Pakistan.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

I really wish this happens. Really curious to see how many will opt for Pak citizenship. Will it be in hundreds, thousands, millions? This will settle once for all if muslims are safe and happy in India or in Pakistan.

You can wish all you want, but it wont happen.

Excellent idea. I don't know why Pakistan has not done that yet? If I were in IK's position I would announce a Pakistan citizenship on arrival program for all Indian muslims. No better way to show Hindutva Facist India it's place.

No that would give the Hindutva supporters exactly what they want.

Pakistan has zero percent of Uttar Pardesh, Gujarat, Kerala, Tamil Nadu, etc.

Why should they take even one Muslim from that area? If Indians dont want the Muslims from those areas, they should partition those states and give Muslims in those states land equivalent to the size of their population. So if Muslims in UP are 20% give them 20% of the land.

Dont want to do that? Well then you are stuck with them.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Kashmiri lives matter would be viewed as a political statement. A better one, if a statement is needed, would be Muslim Lives Matter.

However i am not in favor of sports and politics mixing, so i would personally oppose it.

 

[Giannis]

Excellent idea. I don't know why Pakistan has not done that yet? If I were in IK's position I would announce a Pakistan citizenship on arrival program for all Indian muslims. No better way to show Hindutva Facist India it's place.

I'm talking about Kashmiris, not Indian Muslims. Y'all need to understand, we don't consider Kashmiris as Indian and neither do they and yes I'm totally in favor of granting citizenship to any Kashmiri cricketer that defects to Pakistan.

 

[fitCricFan]

Kashmir can only be resolved with a shamsheer. All other forms of protest are useless. We need to take it like we did Pakistan and AJK.

You can continue dreaming later tonight, now wake up and get ready for your work routine

 

[gani999]

You can wish all you want, but it wont happen.



No that would give the Hindutva supporters exactly what they want.

Pakistan has zero percent of Uttar Pardesh, Gujarat, Kerala, Tamil Nadu, etc.

Why should they take even one Muslim from that area? If Indians dont want the Muslims from those areas, they should partition those states and give Muslims in those states land equivalent to the size of their population. So if Muslims in UP are 20% give them 20% of the land.

Dont want to do that? Well then you are stuck with them.

If that is the case then Pakistan should stop acting like the official voice of India's muslims.

Indias muslims chose India in 1947. There are now more than 200 Million Muslims who call India their homeland. They are largely happy and are co-existing with the Hindus and others. As for problems, everyone faces them in India. Hindus too are killed everyday. Singling out muslims as being the only community at the receiving end of injustice in India is bias and one-sidedness of the worst kind, and it is mostly fuelled by Pakistan.

I am fairly certain that not one India muslim will take up any offer of Pakistani citizenship today. IK also probably knows it only too well.

 

[cricketjoshila]

If the PCB has any self respect then they won't go or firstly send a letter inquiring if Indians will stop the genocide in Kashmir if they tour.

I am sure Wasim Khan will not be fooled they way Najam Sethi was with some not binding agreements.

Pcb will be sending the team for a ICC tournament. So they can talk to ICC about Kashmir.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

I really wish this happens. Really curious to see how many will opt for Pak citizenship. Will it be in hundreds, thousands, millions? This will settle once for all if muslims are safe and happy in India or in Pakistan.

What a dumb post quoting yet another dumb post by [MENTION=134230]gani999[/MENTION]. In India, it's actually hindus who want to get rid of Muslims and want to send them to Pakistan anytime they are going against their opinion. India will get better once we have less idiots like you. You want to send citizens who were born in India and had nothing to do with Pakistan to Pakistan lol. Muslims are not in minority in Pakistan, they do not get mob lynched for not chanting 'Jai Shri Ram' either so they are obviously happy there.

And here is a latest victim of yet another mob lynching by your fellow bhakhts

 

[Smbhayi]

It's not about money but values and principles (a la Kaepernic, Muhammad Ali etc). If there are Kashmiri players that are unhappy with what's happening in Iok then pakistan should offer them an option to defect and then give them a test cap.

How about Azadi Kashmir(ians) first? Aren’t they pakistanis?

 

[KingKhanWC]

Bro,

I hear what you are saying, however problem is because Kashmiri lives matter's main backing is Pakistan, rest of the world barring China which most of the world currently dislikes no would back the movement. Problem is Pakistan's credibility, in the international arena, Pakistan is known for:

Qadir Khan - Nuclear proliferation
OBL - Well he is quite famous as you know.
Masood Azhar - UN listed terrorist, his buddies hijacked a plane with citizens from other countries not just India, threatened to kill them if not for his release.

I can go on and on, Pakistan is a country that no one really takes seriously so the success you would have pushing the Kashmiri cause most likely will be pretty much how successful you are currently.


Is there much point ? International community will always be on India's side...

Its not for the 'international community' to take notice. This term is for the aliiance who thinks they rule the world, Nato and it's itches.

The point is actually only two reasons.

1. To show the Kashmiris people do care even if most Indians dont.

2. We must speak out against injustice if we cannot change it, this is what a Muslim should do.

Tbh In the UK nobody takes both India and Pak seriously and white people actually hate Indians more. I would list the reasons but you might be offended. You live in Aus, you should know the average Aussie has no respect for the avg Indian. There is no difference for white people when it comes to brown people. In terms of leaders, they also dont care about some brown bloke from Karachi or some brown bloke from Mumbai, they are there to make money for the donors, India is easy money for many or do you think cricketers go to the IPL for the bollywood dance moves?

 

[KingKhanWC]

PCB will simply do what ICC tells them to. You can jump around here, but PCB wont.

Pakistani PM is reduced to twitter rants on kashmir. Thats the amount of support he has.

Pakitan PM advised India to calm down, you did not and we then shot your hero with a dodgy tosh out of the sky like a tiny bird. IK has the footballs Modi only dreams about.

I never suggested PCB will do this, I dont think they wont. I just hope one or two Pak players put their money their mouth is and do something in a big tournament to hightlight this issue again.

 

[Itachi]

Pakitan PM advised India to calm down, you did not and we then shot your hero with a dodgy tosh out of the sky like a tiny bird. IK has the footballs Modi only dreams about.

I never suggested PCB will do this, I dont think they wont. I just hope one or two Pak players put their money their mouth is and do something in a big tournament to hightlight this issue again.

"I don't think they won't"....

So you think they will do it or not. You made me confused.

 

[BreadPakoda]

PCB should boycott the tournament if it is played in India.

In fact, Pakistan should boycott ICC and cricket till Kashmir issue isn’t resolved fairly.

Kashmir > Cricket.

 

[KingKhanWC]

"I don't think they won't"....

So you think they will do it or not. You made me confused.

My bad, typing while doing something else. I dont think PCB will entertain this but perhaps a player might. If Pak get the final esp against India, it would be the perfect time.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Why dont OP makes a visit to India himself during T20 WC with 'Kashmir life matter' banner? Visa should not be a problem considering he is British. It is very easy to sit safe in UK behind computer screen and lambi lambi fekna. Hilarious.

If he is so concerned about Kashmiris, come here and spread the message yourself rather than shooting it from innocent players shoulders who will be here to just play cricket. Internet is a funny world which gives people a false sense of bravado but in real life OP wont be carrying such banner even in Southall, let alone in India.

Im British, I've never hid against any Indian, visit here and you will understand.

Sure, get me a sponser and I will come. I assume your hoping the RSS might attack me with sticks, sure they prob will and there are milliions of them but a good handful will be reincarnated into crickets.

 

[El Generico]

Lunatic terrorist groups ?

Do you think this is Pakistan where people can throw grenades and use rocket launchers on touring cricket teams in broad daylight ?

Or do you think it's India where UN designated terrorists roam on streets and are in the FATF list ?

So what would you call groups that go around slaughtering and lynching people if those people don't chant what they want or are suspected of eating beef? I am sorry you got offended that I called people who lynch innocents, "Lunatics'".

 

[El Generico]

Why dont OP makes a visit to India himself during T20 WC with 'Kashmir life matter' banner? Visa should not be a problem considering he is British. It is very easy to sit safe in UK behind computer screen and lambi lambi fekna. Hilarious.

If he is so concerned about Kashmiris, come here and spread the message yourself rather than shooting it from innocent players shoulders who will be here to just play cricket. Internet is a funny world which gives people a false sense of bravado but in real life OP wont be carrying such banner even in Southall, let alone in India.

Thanks for proving my point. You are basically admitting that OP would be met with violence if he spoke up for Kashmir in India. [MENTION=151350]Mesozoic[/MENTION] Your own countrymen agreed with me that anyone even peacefully protesting about Kashmir would be met with mob attacks.

If seemingly educated posters have resorted to veiled death threats, can you imagine what the stick-wielding mobs would do?