Pakistan to downgrade diplomatic ties, suspend bilateral trade with India: NSC meeting

[cricketjoshila]

Is that what they say in the brainwashing RSS camps?

Poor you. Is that what they teach you in your country?

 

[cricketjoshila]

You are kidding, right? That will effectively be the flashpoint for a nuclear war.

No it wont be. It will end pakistani interference in Kashmir.

Pakistan will either accept status quo or the world will make it accept it.

 

[Hitman]

Not really - Mujahideens are freedom fighters fighting for a cause.

Terrorism is what your army does in Kashmir, please learn to differentiate.

So UN and globally banned terror groups are actually mujahideens fighting for a cause?

 

[PakPremi]

Lol. Thats how you do diplomacy. Show people that even though pakistan wants to stop relations, India is willing to keep it normal.

Tumhari samajh se bahar hai ye.

Lol at begging.

So you admitting that India is not really interested in peace with Pakistan, and actually wants to continue with violence in Kashmir without any diplomatic hurdles ?

 

[Ram Shekhar]

Poor you. Is that what they teach you in your country?

I know it because it happens in my country.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I know it because it happens in my country.

So you are brainwashed in your country. Good.

 

[cricketjoshila]

So you admitting that India is not really interested in peace with Pakistan, and actually wants to continue with violence in Kashmir without any diplomatic hurdles ?

Peace? If Pakistan wanted peace they wouldnot be supporting a violent terrorist movement in India.

 

[Ram Shekhar]

So you are brainwashed in your country. Good.

Doesn't make sense but please don't derail the thread. It doesn't change the fact that India is crawling back to Pakistan after the latter suspended bilateral trade. The closure of airspace in addition to the above will impact India for sure.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Doesn't make sense but please don't derail the thread. It doesn't change the fact that India is crawling back to Pakistan after the latter suspended bilateral trade. The closure of airspace in addition to the above will impact India for sure.

Lolfer. The total Indo pak trade is $2bn. Its a very miniscule percentage of India's total trade that is close to $750bn.

Economically pakistan cant do much to India, no matter how much you try to portray it.

 

[Hitman]

Peace? If Pakistan wanted peace they wouldnot be supporting a violent terrorist movement in India.

Or start Kargil.

 

[Ram Shekhar]

Lolfer. The total Indo pak trade is $2bn. Its a very miniscule percentage of India's total trade that is close to $750bn.

Economically pakistan cant do much to India, no matter how much you try to portray it.

You're too cocky for your own good. It's not as if India is some kind of a first world country. Per capita GDP of India is still comparable to the so called poor Pakistan. Not to mention Pakistanis are much happier than us as suggested by a recent survey.

 

[cricketjoshila]

You're too cocky for your own good. It's not as if India is some kind of a first world country. Per capita GDP of India is still comparable to the so called poor Pakistan. Not to mention Pakistanis are much happier than us as suggested by a recent survey.

How is per capita gdp comparable?

In PPP terms

Indias per capita gdp is $7874
Pakistans is $5680

A difference of more than 2000 usd.

Do you know that 1INR is equal to 2PKR.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

These freedom fighters of yours are globally banned terrorists.

Depends on what mood Donald Trump is in. If he thinks India is a threat to USA commerce he might well decide those terrorists are freedom fighters again, like they were in the righteous fight against the Soviet Union.

The good news for you is that under Modi, Indian economy will probably tank so Trump won't really see them as a threat to American world influence.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Depends on what mood Donald Trump is in. If he thinks India is a threat to USA commerce he might well decide those terrorists are freedom fighters again, like they were in the righteous fight against the Soviet Union.

The good news for you is that under Modi, Indian economy will probably tank so Trump won't really see them as a threat to American world influence.

Thing is these are UN designated terrorists.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Thing is these are UN designated terrorists.

US President sneezes and the UN reaches for a tissue. Go watch Rambo III.

 

[mmkextreme_1]

These freedom fighters of yours are globally banned terrorists.

So now all of a sudden you (BJP government) care about what the world thinks?

You guys don't seem to care when it comes to Kashmir.

Stop picking and choosing.

 

[MRSN]

All said and done, on Imran's watch indians have pulled off probably a historic change of status quo in Kashmir issue. That is his legacy now

only time will tell. Hitler was considered legend after his actions against jews but look at history. Rome didn't fall in one day.

 

[Usman Chadda]

No it wont be. It will end pakistani interference in Kashmir.

Pakistan will either accept status quo or the world will make it accept it.

Any change in status quo of the IWT will lead to severe repurcussions for Pakistan. I hope you know why.

Silly to even discuss it, as India will be tempting fate if they even consider it.

 

[cricketjoshila]

US President sneezes and the UN reaches for a tissue. Go watch Rambo III.

And all those years when pakistan was a US ally and India was considered to be close to Ussr what happened?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Any change in status quo of the IWT will lead to severe repurcussions for Pakistan. I hope you know why.

Silly to even discuss it, as India will be tempting fate if they even consider it.

So if Pakistan will want to avoid those repurrcussions and maintain status quo, it will also not try to change the status quo in any Indian territory.

Or you think India will sit and watch while Pakistan will do whatever it wants?

 

[Vegitto1]

So UN and globally banned terror groups are actually mujahideens fighting for a cause?

The same UN and global countries whose resolution on kashmir India ignores? Stop picking and choosing.

UN is nothing but a tool for the West to exert control over the rest of the world, especially the Muslim countries. Majority of the West is either athiest or anti-Islam. That makes it friends with India (common enemy being Islam).

It goes without saying that India's actual masters would declare the Mujahideens terrorists.

 

[jadaja]

The same UN and global countries whose resolution on kashmir India ignores? Stop picking and choosing.

UN is nothing but a tool for the West to exert control over the rest of the world, especially the Muslim countries. Majority of the West is either athiest or anti-Islam. That makes it friends with India (common enemy being Islam).

It goes without saying that India's actual masters would declare the Mujahideens terrorists.

Why do you think they are against Islam.

 

[xbronze]

IWT will be next on the long term agenda of Modi/Shah/Doval.

It may be. May not be. IWT should only be suspended as the last measure.

After the Pulwama attack was traced back to Pakistan based 'non state actors' by the Indian agencies, MSD (Modi Shah Doval) narrowed their retaliatory options down to three:

1. Air Force raid into Pakistan territory to hit training academy of 'non state actors'
2. Revoke article 379 - Integrate J&K into India
3. Abrogate Indus Water Treaty

Modi gave a green signal to options 1&2 above. Close communication with the Trump administration (especially between the two NSAs, Doval and John Bolton) was established and maintained. Bolton has been a huge pillar of support for the Modi Government and obtained a blank cheque from Trump for all retaliatory efforts by India to neutralize/penalize attacks by Pakistan based 'non state actors'.

The abrogation of the Indus Water Treaty was de-prioritized by Modi only because of logistical reasons. Massive infrastructure projects needed to be completed first on the Indian side before waters flowing into Pakistan could be re-routed.

Further it was decided that while options 1&2 would best be served hot (with a 'big bang' event followed by 'breaking news'), the abrogation of Indus Water Treaty would be best served cold (not as one big bang event, but as a long drawn gradual 'drying up of river waters' attributable to natural causes/global warming etc., un-accompanied by any TV 'Breaking news').

When IWT is discarded, all ongoing Indo-Pak bilateral water monitoring arrangements would likely be delayed/cancelled/disallowed by India under the cloak of 'not logistically feasible to arrange under the prevalent hostile Indo-Pak geo-political situation'.

[Ironically, Pakistan's unilateral decision yesterday to end diplomatic relations with India including recalling High Commissioners, offers precisely the setting India needs to quietly discard IWT and disallow Indo-Pak IWT monitors].

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

And all those years when pakistan was a US ally and India was considered to be close to Ussr what happened?

Pakistan remained a US ally and india remained close to USSR.

 

[Usman Chadda]

So if Pakistan will want to avoid those repurrcussions and maintain status quo, it will also not try to change the status quo in any Indian territory.

Or you think India will sit and watch while Pakistan will do whatever it wants?

The post I replied to stated India doing something about IWT.

Where did I say anything about Pakistan interfering with Indian territory?

 

[cricketjoshila]

The post I replied to stated India doing something about IWT.

Where did I say anything about Pakistan interfering with Indian territory?

India will only do something if Pakistan does something in the Indian territory.

 

[Usman Chadda]

India will only do something if Pakistan does something in the Indian territory.

This is not what the original post from [MENTION=7898]Gabbar Singh[/MENTION] implied.

Kabhi toh chup kar jaaya kar

 

[Extra_Cover]

After the Pulwama attack was traced back to Pakistan based 'non state actors' by the Indian agencies, MSD (Modi Shah Doval) narrowed their retaliatory options down to three:

1. Air Force raid into Pakistan territory to hit training academy of 'non state actors'
2. Revoke article 379 - Integrate J&K into India
3. Abrogate Indus Water Treaty

Modi gave a green signal to options 1&2 above. Close communication with the Trump administration (especially between the two NSAs, Doval and John Bolton) was established and maintained. Bolton has been a huge pillar of support for the Modi Government and obtained a blank cheque from Trump for all retaliatory efforts by India to neutralize/penalize attacks by Pakistan based 'non state actors'.

The abrogation of the Indus Water Treaty was de-prioritized by Modi only because of logistical reasons. Massive infrastructure projects needed to be completed first on the Indian side before waters flowing into Pakistan could be re-routed.

Further it was decided that while options 1&2 would best be served hot (with a 'big bang' event followed by 'breaking news'), the abrogation of Indus Water Treaty would be best served cold (not as one big bang event, but as a long drawn gradual 'drying up of river waters' attributable to natural causes/global warming etc., un-accompanied by any TV 'Breaking news').

When IWT is discarded, all ongoing Indo-Pak bilateral water monitoring arrangements would likely be delayed/cancelled/disallowed by India under the cloak of 'not logistically feasible to arrange under the prevalent hostile Indo-Pak geo-political situation'.

[Ironically, Pakistan's unilateral decision yesterday to end diplomatic relations with India including recalling High Commissioners, offers precisely the setting India needs to quietly discard IWT and disallow Indo-Pak IWT monitors].

The bolded part, is this internationally proven and validated by any international court or is it Indian claim?

 

[pillionrider]

The customary exchange of sweets between the BSF and the Pakistan Rangers along the International Border did not take place on Monday on the occasion of Eid al-Adha, officials said.

The unilateral downgrading of diplomatic ties by Pakistan in the wake of the Modi government’s decision to revoke provisions of Article 370 from Jammu and Kashmir, is being seen as the reason.

They said the Pakistani side refused to attend the ceremony after the Border Security Force (BSF) sent across official communication to exchange sweets and greetings along the IB running through Jammu and Kashmir, Punjab, Rajasthan and Gujarat.

“The customary event did not take place at any location along the India-Pakistan border on the occasion of Eid al-Adha on Monday,” a senior official said.

The two forces that are deployed along over 3,000 kms of the border, exchange sweets on major festivals such as Eid, Holi, Diwali and their respective national days.

However, a similar exchange of sweets between BSF personnel and their Bangladeshi counterparts, Border Guards Bangladesh (BGB), took place at designated locations along the 4,096-km frontier shared by the two countries.

Senior commanders of the two forces exchanged best wishes and presented sweets to each other as part of the existing friendly protocol along the Bangladesh border, the official said.

Source: The Hindu newspaper