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Pakistan v New Zealand | 2nd ODI | Sharjah | December 12, 2014 | New Zealand Innings

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We need fast bowlers with simple actions. Look at Tanvirs and Wahabs, no real line and lenght and swing. Look at milne or henry. Basic action which helps them with speed, line and lenght and swing.
 
You have no clue what you just said there do you now. This so called 'average' bowler called junaid helped us win matches from dead and buried positions in his career. Something Wahab can only dream off to achieve. Anyways, you're English I expect you to be not up to speed with our bowling resources.

mate, I am pakistani british, and been watching pakistan for a good solid 15 years, plus I play the highest amateur level of cricket here in the UK, so I'd think I know what average is. tell me the last time Junaid one a ODI game single handed? India 2012? just one occasion?? I think so. I think majority of us would also remember when wahab took 5 wickets in the SF of the world cup 2011. Point being, they're all average. period
 
We need right handed pacers.

Left handers are a novelty and variation to support.

Pakistan think tank are stupid to produce so many left handers. Complete idiots.
 
We need right handed pacers.

Left handers are a novelty and variation to support.

Pakistan think tank are stupid to produce so many left handers. Complete idiots.

wth. wasim was a supporting novelty act? Its not about being left handed or right handed, if you are a good bowler then you will take wickets and lead your attack.
 
With all due respect, you can't expect bits and pieces bowlers to bowl 10 overs.

Sure Haris worked last time, but he wont' work every time.

Flawed strategy.
 
mate, I am pakistani british, and been watching pakistan for a good solid 15 years, plus I play the highest amateur level of cricket here in the UK, so I'd think I know what average is. tell me the last time Junaid one a ODI game single handed? India 2012? just one occasion?? I think so. I think majority of us would also remember when wahab took 5 wickets in the SF of the world cup 2011. Point being, they're all average. period

So we should just pack our back and go home right :14: No point in playing since a 'British Pakistani' thinks that we certainly do not have any good enough bowler to represent us at the national level. Yes! we should certainly do that.

P.S. That last over in SA where we defended 9 runs off Duminy and Miller helped Pak secure a series win on that soil and the first Asian team to do so. The latter two batsman are also heads and tails above Devchich and Brownie so yes Junaid is certainly average. You analogy is spot on
 
Irfan is ridiculously overrated on this forum.

Wahab is a poor man's Johnson at best and cannot be expected to show consistency.

Junaid has gone downhill as well and Gul is simply past his prime.

Anwar and Bhatti are rubbish while Tanvir is just a T20 specialist.

Our ODI pace attack is mediocre to the last degree.
 
wth. wasim was a supporting novelty act? Its not about being left handed or right handed, if you are a good bowler then you will take wickets and lead your attack.

Wasim is a once in a generation bowler.

Left handers are a novelty piece, not the main course.
 
So we should just pack our back and go home right :14: No point in playing since a 'British Pakistani' thinks that we certainly do not have any good enough bowler to represent us at the national level. Yes! we should certainly do that.

P.S. That last over in SA where we defended 9 runs off Duminy and Miller helped Pak secure a series win on that soil and the first Asian team to do so. The latter two batsman are also heads and tails above Devchich and Brownie so yes Junaid is certainly average. You analogy is spot on

no don't pack your bags... deal with what you have! and just work on them and try to improve on their weaknesses.
 
no don't pack your bags... deal with what you have! and just work on them and try to improve on their weaknesses.

If this is the case, why are you even here then since you clearly believe that we are not good enough. Why waste your time on something so mediocre. ???
 
This is humiliation. NZ are killing Pak. Our top order sucks, our bowlers are average. NZ always seem to bounce back. This game is done.
 
need Junaid back badly, Tanvir is not odi bowler why they keep.selecting him useless bowler
 
did you not read what i said? 6 average bowlers or 4 average bowlers... make no difference.. you just produce same old average plus you take away another human being who can pick up a bat!

If we go with your rationale
4 average and 2 novice bowlers or 5 average and 1 novice bowler

It does make a difference- average means that you have highs and lows in equal measure. If one of the 4 is having a bad day maybe the 5th will have their good day?! At least you have a different option to change things up.

Do not try to tell us this makes no difference
 
These bowling averages says it all really, an undercooked bowling unit. WE HAD 4 YEARS TO PREPARE. WHAT DO THESE SELECTORS DO WHEN THEY TURN UP FOR WORK?

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Should I pack my bags too? :yk

You're are at least a Pakistani but a highly pessimist one so you can stay and suffer with me on this horror show. He was a foreigner trying to be a cute troll.... nothing else. Plus I am not in good mode right now since this will ruin the 10-0 streak in Sharjah :sanga

P.S. Junaid is a good bowler, have faith in him and he will turn our fortunes around. Trust me on this on!!!!!
 
If we go with your rationale
4 average and 2 novice bowlers or 5 average and 1 novice bowler

It does make a difference- average means that you have highs and lows in equal measure. If one of the 4 is having a bad day maybe the 5th will have their good day?! At least you have a different option to change things up.

Do not try to tell us this makes no difference

and would you except junaid khan/ saeed ajmal/irfan/gul/ etc to score a handy 15-20 runs considering out batsman NEVER turn up?
 
Always good when players who would struggle to make the team punish the ind ... I mean pakistani bowlers
 
You're are at least a Pakistani but a highly pessimist one so you can stay and suffer with me on this horror show. He was a foreigner trying to be a cute troll.... nothing else. Plus I am not in good mode right now since this will ruin the 10-0 streak in Sharjah :sanga

P.S. Junaid is a good bowler, have faith in him and he will turn our fortunes around. Trust me on this on!!!!!

Okay. :najam

If you say Junaid is the best of the lot, I'll concur but he's not a top quality bowler by any means.
 
This drinks break......make or break situation here, we clearly need a miracle right now :facepalm:
 
If this is the case, why are you even here then since you clearly believe that we are not good enough. Why waste your time on something so mediocre. ???

as i said, improve on their weaknesses. people like wahab sometimes lack the mental toughness to deal with bad period of bowling. Cricket is more than just ball and bat my friend.
 
Such a shame that Ehsan keeps breaking down.

What is wrong with the guy?

Would have been a much better option than tanvir and as for Wahab, he was improving, but what has happened?
 
Okay. :najam

If you say Junaid is the best of the lot, I'll concur but he's not a top quality bowler by any means.

Thank you Thank you....... :D as I right this Afridi My man take the 1st wicket for the game............

P.S. I never claim Junaid to be a world beater but clearly the best of the lot without a shadow of a doubt.
 
Such a shame that Ehsan keeps breaking down.

What is wrong with the guy?

Would have been a much better option than tanvir and as for Wahab, he was improving, but what has happened?

Wahab will always get carted once in a while. Can't expect him to bowl economically every day.
 
Afridi is the soul of this team.

Underrated and under-appreciated.
 
Wahab will always get carted once in a while. Can't expect him to bowl economically every day.

Not expecting him to bowl economically every game, but he was showing signs of improvement and I was hoping he would improve even further.

We need him to be at his best in the WC and very accurate.
 
Not expecting him to bowl economically every game, but he was showing signs of improvement and I was hoping he would improve even further.

We need him to be at his best in the WC and very accurate.

I think he has peaked.
 
You Delete My Threads PakPassion But What I Said Was Not Wrong At All This Wahab Riaz Is Totally Useless.
 
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