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Pakistan v Zimbabwe | 3rd ODI | Rawalpindi | 3rd November, 2020 | Zimbabwe innings

Hasnain has the raw pace ...can touch 155 kph once he is 24 25 InsaAllah......just needs control
 
Another one with good shape from Hasnain, almost got 2 in 2
 
Mamoon said:
Maybe he does not, these young players are awful.

However, if he does, then he needs to realize that he has the leverage to enforce his own decisions without worrying about consequences.

He is the most powerful person in Pakistan cricket at the moment but he does not realize his power.
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I agreed you for once wholeheartedly , But I think he needs to be more aggressive personality wise , he definitely can be like Imran Khan and get things done his way if we wants that , I just don't like his defensive mindset , I am pretty sure Babar already in charge in many things and getting things done his way , its just because of his defensive and safety first approach we are not seeing it clearly what he is doing behind the scenes.
 
Muhammad Saad said:
I agreed you for once wholeheartedly , But I think he needs to be more aggressive personality wise , he definitely can be like Imran Khan and get things done his way if we wants that , I just don't like his defensive mindset , I am pretty sure Babar already in charge in many things and getting things done his way , its just because of his defensive and safety first approach we are not seeing it clearly what he is doing behind the scenes.
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I think he needs backing of IK and PCB ....to do that....
 
The way Wahab has taken the senior bowler role and guides the young bowlers have been impressive. Some of the other experienced bowlers we had in recent times were just too much self absorbed.
 
I agree with the diagnosis of shaheen. I had similar issues with my knees. Didn't know back then. Because of that i had to have multiple surgeries on my right knee after tearing my ACL twice. I have hypertension in my joints. Like they bend way out. Basically when you don't workout or play much, you lose muscle strength to keep the hyperextension in check. The ligaments became relaxed and can cause injuries or possible tear. I used to play football. Now I can't even run more than 30 mins
 
Titan24 said:
The way Wahab has taken the senior bowler role and guides the young bowlers have been impressive. Some of the other experienced bowlers we had in recent times were just too much self absorbed.
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God help these young bowlers if Wahab is their mentor. People say we overloaded with fast bowling talent but this mummy is still playing for us in 2020-21 season.
 
rameez raja ka bhi zabardast hai....sawal gandum jawab chana......we need to put him in a museum now....he's been phoning it in for years
 
Faizan001 said:
I agree with the diagnosis of shaheen. I had similar issues with my knees. Didn't know back then. Because of that i had to have multiple surgeries on my right knee after tearing my ACL twice. I have hypertension in my joints. Like they bend way out. Basically when you don't workout or play much, you lose muscle strength to keep the hyperextension in check. The ligaments became relaxed and can cause injuries or possible tear. I used to play football. Now I can't even run more than 30 mins
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Hope you mean hyperextension or I'll be using you as a case study :yk
 
Hasnain already looking better than Rauf with the new ball , but he can't bring it in and can't bowl yorkers consistently. But his outswing with more pace and bounce definitely more lethal.
 
Mamoon said:
God help these young bowlers if Wahab is their mentor. People say we overloaded with fast bowling talent but this mummy is still playing for us in 2020-21 season.
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I still can't figure out who should play with Shaheen in LOIs.
 
Clearly no idea why Zimbabwe decided to bat first. Wanted to see some Pakistani batsmen score a hundred. Zimbabwe's best chance was the First Odi and they should have sticked to that plan.
 
Both Hasnain wickets were fortunate. He's looked good but other teams won't let him settle or get away with bad balls.
 
Mamoon said:
God help these young bowlers if Wahab is their mentor. People say we overloaded with fast bowling talent but this mummy is still playing for us in 2020-21 season.
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I think he has been bowling decently in recent times. Irrespective of his own game, he does have a lot of experience which can definitely help some young pacers. Unfortunately we dont have any other senior bowlers to share insights on the field. Amir was too self absorbed and now himself is struggling. The way Shaheen is developing and no other options he is going to be taking this senior bowler role pretty soon.
 
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Hasnain is a poor bowler. Don’t get fooled by a few of cheap wickets against a minnow opposition.
 
Titan24 said:
Lol! I think he has been bowling decently in recent times. Irrespective of his own game, he does have a lot of experience which can definitely help some young pacers. Unfortunately we dont have any other senior bowlers to share insights on the field. Amir was too self absorbed and now himself is struggling. The way Shaheen is developing and no other options he going to be taking this senior bowler rule pretty soon.
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He cannot be faulted for his attitude though. In terms of performance, he will continue to fail against the big sides in ODI cricket 9/10 times.

If he is to be used, he should only be restricted to the back end of T20 innings.
 
hasnain looks to have a bit more control than when he appeared in his last few games.....he needs to keep trending in the same direction. run up looks a bit more settled and so does his movement through the crease....needs to keep improving though
 
Another thing to just how out of touch Misbah really is.

Zafar and Abdullah will shine more in ODIs. What I worry about, and you guys know too that this will probably happen, is that they both will get a game. And should they not do well, they will be dropped from the next squad and you will see the usuals make a comeback.

If you can't give people games against Zimbabwe, they certainly aren't getting any against SA, Eng and NZ.

The likes of Khushdil, Faheem are more suited to T20s where you can get away with having technical deficiencies in your game. Rauf too doesn't have the skill yet to bowl a channel consistently.

I am not convinced about Khushdil. Might do well in T20s but any decent team will be able to see his weaknesses and work him out pretty quickly.

But still can't be mad that he is getting the chance.
 
ataullah said:
I'm liking hasnain's swing. [MENTION=142432]Titan24[/MENTION]
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He has been working on it. Still a lot of work to be done but, good to see some upcoming bowlers working on swinging the new ball.
 
Problem with Wahab is that he has way too many bad days. And when he has bad days he can concede 110 in an ODI and bowl 5 no-balls in a t20 match.
 
Shaheen, Usman and Hasnain should be our pace trio in ODIs going forward. There is no place for Musa and Wahab.
 
Mamoon said:
He cannot be faulted for his attitude though. In terms of performance, he will continue to fail against the big sides in ODI cricket 9/10 times.

If he is to be used, he should only be restricted to the back end of T20 innings.
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I agree and I think its going in that direction. He is 35 so dont see him as part of ODI unit for long.
 
Hasnain could get a 5fer today, is getting bounce and Zimbabwe look clueless.
 
Rizwan really needs to score big today, otherwise Rohail can enter the room.
 
Hasnain getting consistent outswing is great to see. If he keeps working and adding to his game like this he'll be a real threat in a few years.
 
This is the most impressive I have seen Hasnain at the international level. He is getting out swing at good pace with the new ball.

Maybe giving him the new ball has made the difference
 
Mercurial said:
Rizwan really needs to score big today, otherwise Rohail can enter the room.
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Rizwan has become a PCB and fan favorite after the England tour. He will need to fail consistently for a very long time to have his place under threat.
 
Hasnain needs to play first class cricket.. abdullah shud have played he is not a 20 20 player
 
You'd take Hasnain over Naseem Shah at this rate! Naseem is being forgotten about quite quickly with this resurgence of exciting pace bowling in Pakistan :))
 
Hasnain has definitely improved his bowling intelligence too....that was good set up where he slipped in the yorker to chari.....nowhere near the finished article but a definite improvement from when he was last a part of the team. heartening to see
 
Hasnain is anything but a poor bowler..... Hasnain Musa showing improvement.......good to see
 
hitthestump said:
You'd take Hasnain over Naseem Shah at this rate! Naseem is being forgotten about quite quickly with this resurgence of exciting pace bowling in Pakistan :))
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Naseem always makes the test team...but he should be adequately rested due to his action......Hasnain Arshad Akif can be played.....
 
hitthestump said:
You'd take Hasnain over Naseem Shah at this rate! Naseem is being forgotten about quite quickly with this resurgence of exciting pace bowling in Pakistan :))
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Naseem is our best pace prospect along with Shaeen and hasnain however all 3 are young and will have bad days it's important we support them in couple of years of years it will be a lethal pace trio.
 
Wahab has been very good against all opponets, and is a must in Pak ODI team. Hasnain also has once again shown Pak have lot of riches in pace bowling department, its just that we keep selecting mediocre players like Faheem over promising youngsters like Musa and Hasnain, just for the 10 runs he may score. Waqar has done well with young unit.
 
hitthestump said:
You'd take Hasnain over Naseem Shah at this rate! Naseem is being forgotten about quite quickly with this resurgence of exciting pace bowling in Pakistan :))
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Naseem has greater potential in tests than any fast bowler not named Shaheen. There's a reason everyone in England and Australia was singing his praises. Having Hasnain and Rauf perform does mean we wont need to unnecessarily try Naseem in LOI's for now which is a bonus.
 
Hasnain got it to swing both ways at time. Impressive.

I wouldn't say he's rubbish, definitely a decent bowler. But he's still got a long way to go.
 
Kookaburra balls in domestic cricket and much better competition than before is definitely helping younger bowlers. Its not about the performance here but the way they have shown considerably improved control.
 
5th over from Hasnain and is still bowling around early to mid 140s kph showing the improved fitness.
 
Ellipsism said:
Hasnain got it to swing both ways at time. Impressive.

I wouldn't say he's rubbish, definitely a decent bowler. But he's still got a long way to go.
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Anyone say he is rubbish need their head examined. He was good in PSL too. He is young and raw and still learning, but already has impressed when ever played. He cannot be expected to bowl fully in control at early stage of his career, today though he is showing great control.
 
Credit to Waqar Younis.

Shaheen credits his new-found toe crushers to Waqar.

Rauf credits his developing skill with the new ball to Waqar.

And now Hasnain has clearly made changes to his delivery stride under Waqar in addition to developing control over the new ball.

I believe Waqar is a terrible head coach but is doing some good work as bowling coach - should have been like this from the start.
 
Saheen
RAuf
Wahab
Hasnain
Naseem
Musa
Akif
Arshad....

Suddenly Amir is invisible
 
What is the point of playing Wahab in a dead rubber lol? Also why not pick Zafar or Qadir for this game?
 
I think this is the last pair of Zimbos to post something respectable...
 
Thunderbolt14 said:
Credit to Waqar Younis.

Shaheen credits his new-found toe crushers to Waqar.

Rauf credits his developing skill with the new ball to Waqar.

And now Hasnain has clearly made changes to his delivery stride under Waqar in addition to developing control over the new ball.

I believe Waqar is a terrible head coach but is doing some good work as bowling coach - should have been like this from the start.
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Musa also credited Waqar for resolution of his run up issues he was facing.
 
Hasan123 said:
What is the point of playing Wahab in a dead rubber lol? Also why not pick Zafar or Qadir for this game?
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Firstly in ODI World Cup super league no game is a dead rubber. Secondly I believe Wahab is playing to give advice to the three young pacers. Thirdly it’s clear Misbah doesn’t rate Qadir or Gohar - Shadab, Imad, and Iftikhar, these are the primary bowling options in Misbah’s mind for ODI cricket.

I expect Gohar and Shafique to get T20 debuts which is an absolute insult to their potential in the longer formats.
 
Thunderbolt14 said:
Firstly in ODI World Cup super league no game is a dead rubber. Secondly I believe Wahab is playing to give advice to the three young pacers. Thirdly it’s clear Misbah doesn’t rate Qadir or Gohar - Shadab, Imad, and Iftikhar, these are the primary bowling options in Misbah’s mind for ODI cricket.

I expect Gohar and Shafique to get T20 debuts which is an absolute insult to their potential in the longer formats.
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So we cannot beat Zimbabwe without Wahab Riaz advice lol?

Misbah should pick spinners he rates then. Why select them if you aren't going to use them?
 
Mamoon said:
Hasnain is a poor bowler. Don’t get fooled by a few of cheap wickets against a minnow opposition.
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Wont say poor but yes he is average as of now. He has potential though if he gets more control over his line and length. Poor control seems to be his undoing. Against good teams with his current control of line and length, i dont see how he will not go at 7+ runs an over whenever he plays them.
 
Mamoon said:
Rizwan has become a PCB and fan favorite after the England tour. He will need to fail consistently for a very long time to have his place under threat.
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Mamoon your thoughts on Hasnain's spell today. He has modified his action and looks very threatening now.
 
Disappointed with some selections. Really wanted to see Abdullah, Zafar and even Usman getting a chance too somehow.
Also the way Zimbabwe are going I don't think Khushdil or even Haider might be able to have a go. Wish they had bowled first.
 
Hasan123 said:
So we cannot beat Zimbabwe without Wahab Riaz advice lol?

Misbah should pick spinners he rates then. Why select them if you aren't going to use them?
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Who said that? I said Wahab is there to give advice, which means general advice not how to beat Zimbabwe. Field placements, advising what to bowl, etc. Even Wasim and Waqar had Imran standing at Mid Off at this age.

And yeah I agree about the spinners. What a shame. Gohar can be very valuable if trusted.
 
Thunderbolt14 said:
Firstly in ODI World Cup super league no game is a dead rubber. Secondly I believe Wahab is playing to give advice to the three young pacers. Thirdly it’s clear Misbah doesn’t rate Qadir or Gohar - Shadab, Imad, and Iftikhar, these are the primary bowling options in Misbah’s mind for ODI cricket.

I expect Gohar and Shafique to get T20 debuts which is an absolute insult to their potential in the longer formats.
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Are we sure about that ? Who is Abdullah gonna replace

Babar
Fakhar
Haider
Hafeez
Shadab
Khushdil
Imad
Rizwan (wk)
Wahab
Rauf
Hasnain
 
Ahson8 said:
Are we sure about that ? Who is Abdullah gonna replace

Babar
Fakhar
Haider
Hafeez
Shadab
Khushdil
Imad
Rizwan (wk)
Wahab
Rauf
Hasnain
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Yup, I don't think he is getting any games there too, unless they make Fakhar sit out.
 
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