Pakistan vs India, in India, 5 match Test series, on rank turners

[The Last Of The Stars]

Just seeing even NZ falling like a pack of cards, I have come to the conclusion that only Pakistan can stop India, in India, on such turning tracks.

A 5 match Test series between Pakistan and India, in India, will be epic.

But someone from the BCCI gave a statement yesterday that no cricket with Pakistan, so we will have to wait long for this epic series to take place.

Have your say?

 

[MenInG]

Just seeing even NZ falling like a pack of cards, I have come to the conclusion that only Pakistan can stop India, in India, on such turning tracks.

A 5 match Test series between Pakistan and India, in India, will be epic.

But someone from the BCCI gave a statement yesterday that no cricket with Pakistan, so we will have to wait long for this epic series to take place.

Have your say?

Why would you want to play with a country that doesnt want to play with you?

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Pakistan will win imho.

Both batsmen will flounder but Indians will get out or give away their wickets while Pakistanis will fight tooth and nail for their wickets.

Until India develops a solid lineup who can score big against spin, I am afraid this will be my answer. Kohli and Rahane have to step up on spin tracks.

 

[Obstructing_the_field]

You're right, I'm seriously struggling here.

the problem is that many indian friends of mine fail to understand this war-mindset of the indian gvmnt and all this nonsense from likes of jadeja and ganguly n bcci.... in the end no1 wins with this war...

 

[big_gamer007]

Indian batting doesn't look comfortable against spin on rank turners.. a generation after Laxman, Sehwag, tendu, Ganguli struggling against spin weird times ahead

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

It'd be a cracker.

YK/Misbah/Asad/Azhar/Sarfraz vs Indian spinners

Yasir/Pacers vs Indian batting

You never know who would win a Pak vs Ind series. Pressure balances out everything and there are no favorites.

That said, I would still back Pakistan to win it. 3-2. Rank turners: no draws.

Multiple 5fers for Amir, Yasir, Ashwin and Jadeja.
100s from YK/Misbah/Sarfraz and Kohli/Pujara.
Younis Khan might even score a match winning double/triple hundred.

 

[LowKiiSavage]

I think the upcoming series in Australia is something of bigger significance than discussing hypothetical series with a country which politicizes cricket and has a garbage board with man-childs running it.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

Indian batting doesn't look comfortable against spin on rank turners.. a once in a lifetime generation after Laxman, Sehwag, tendu, Ganguli struggling against spin weird times ahead

FIxed that for you.

That was a golden generation of Indian cricket. The thing about golden generations is that they rarely repeat.

 

[Xoib]

Pakistan will win imho.

Both batsmen will flounder but Indians will get out or give away their wickets while Pakistanis will fight tooth and nail for their wickets.

Until India develops a solid lineup who can score big against spin, I am afraid this will be my answer. Kohli and Rahane have to step up on spin tracks.

Yoy have jadeja and ashwin we just have yasir so thats an advantage but you never know with today spin playing capabilites of today batsmen someone like zafar gohar msy come and dominate straight away.

 

[Ahmed4472]

it would definitely be a close series but I think Pakistan will be at advantage with likes of Younis and Misbah

 

[big_gamer007]

FIxed that for you.

That was a golden generation of Indian cricket. The thing about golden generations is that they rarely repeat.

We had Azhar, Siddhu, tendy, Kambli before that.. Then had Gavaskar, vishy, vengsarkar before that.. So we always had good players of spin.. But yes that was golden generation..

 

[Balthazar]

Ashwin made Sangakkara look like a club level player and I rate Sanga over the likes of YK/Misbah. Pakistan batting are no exception either, the same thing will happen to them at the hands of Ash/Jaddu.

 

[#GreenRoars]

No need to play any series with India, but yes in fantasy you can expect any thing

Pakistan have little edge on Indian batting.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Yoy have jadeja and ashwin we just have yasir so thats an advantage but you never know with today spin playing capabilites of today batsmen someone like zafar gohar msy come and dominate straight away.

Doesn't matter.

You can get another 2-3 support spinners.

Indian batsmen barring Vijay and Pujara (and maybe now Rahul) are not effective against spin. Runs and average don't tell the full picture....

If they prove themselves in home tour, then I will happily change my mind but right now, my opinion is formed after lots and lots of sample data of watching them for the last 2-3 years.

Of course, in a shootout, you can't predict in a 100% way but giving up easy wickets is just criminal and we are guilty of doing that.

That's why I put Pakistan ahead. Once Younis and Misbah retire, then equations will change I guess.

 

[#GreenRoars]

Ashwin made Sangakkara look like a club level player and I rate Sanga over the likes of YK/Misbah. Pakistan batting are no exception either, the same thing will happen to them at the hands of Ash/Jaddu.

And, Dean Elgar made Indian batting like club level batsmen

Still, Sanga faced a a duo of good spinners.

 

[OS_89]

Pakistan will win. Almost their entire lineup is excellent vs spin, while in ours, only Vijay and Pujara show the required application and technique.

 

[OS_89]

Ashwin made Sangakkara look like a club level player and I rate Sanga over the likes of YK/Misbah. Pakistan batting are no exception either, the same thing will happen to them at the hands of Ash/Jaddu.

Sangakkara is one batsman. Pakistan have Younis (even better than Sanga vs spin imo), Misbah, Sarfraz, Shafiq who are all beasts vs spin.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Ashwin made Sangakkara look like a club level player and I rate Sanga over the likes of YK/Misbah. Pakistan batting are no exception either, the same thing will happen to them at the hands of Ash/Jaddu.

Ashwin is GOD level bowler against lefties but not righties.

So not a like to like comparison.

Younis/Misbah could very well play him well.

 

[The Last Of The Stars]

Ashwin made Sangakkara look like a club level player and I rate Sanga over the likes of YK/Misbah. Pakistan batting are no exception either, the same thing will happen to them at the hands of Ash/Jaddu.

YK is a better player of spin than Sangakkara.

 

[The Last Of The Stars]

Ashwin is GOD level bowler against lefties but not righties.

So not a like to like comparison.

Younis/Misbah could very well play him well.

Good point.

 

[The Last Of The Stars]

Why would you want to play with a country that doesnt want to play with you?

Provided they give a green signal first.

 

[Ab Fan]

Yasir is too good for Indian batsmen on rank turners.

Toss will play some role too.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

Yasir is too good for Indian batsmen on rank turners.

Toss will play some role too.

Exactly, on a turning pitch leg spinners can win you matches single handedly Qadir Warne Mushi Kumble Afridi

Check here, Afridi winning it for Pakistan, the look on Ganguly's face was priceless https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4ZAUBFGbZU

 

[Bilal7]

We have a world-class leggie and the best batting against spin. Pakistan would win 3-1.

 

[shaz619]

It would be a close series with the toss being pivotal, Pak have the edge due to two of the best players of spin on the planet and a side with superior balance.

 

[Bilal7]

Pakistan will win. Almost their entire lineup is excellent vs spin, while in ours, only Vijay and Pujara show the required application and technique.

And skill.

 

[street cricketer]

Pakistan will win. They might not score as much as they score against other sides, but they will comfortably outscore the Indian batsmen who are inept against spin.

 

[troodon]

Pakistan will win. They might not score as much as they score against other sides, but they will comfortably outscore the Indian batsmen who are inept against spin.

Pak has the advantage now with Younis and Misbah. They will retire pretty soon. They both are over 40. They cannot continue for ever.

India - Pak test matches are won on the ground. Not on paper.

If Pujara can keep up the form he is in, Indian batting will be huge.

Not really worried about Yasir. Indians play leggies well. I would be more worried of someone like Imad Wasim and of course Amir in Pace bowling.

 

[Saurav]

India should win though it'll be close

While India has struggled against offies including part timers like Moeen,it has never been troubled by even the greatest of leggies :sw.Even left armer Herath was handled well in SL series

OTOH,Pakistan is not troubled by offies but SLA is their achilles heel.

 

[Barragan]

Pak would win on turners.

It would be a more even contest on green pitches.

 

[Adil_94]

We would win 3-2.

 

[aloo paratha]

Would be interesting!

But we'll never get to know soo..

 

[JattMaula]

Pakistan will win.

Our so called HTB's can't even bully on home tracks(turners)

 

[WC-Passion]

I wonder what would happen on green mamba's. Game would probably be over in like 3 days.

 

[Napa]

Ashwin made Sangakkara look like a club level player and I rate Sanga over the likes of YK/Misbah. Pakistan batting are no exception either, the same thing will happen to them at the hands of Ash/Jaddu.

Quite right! Given that Pakistan could only score only 83 (yes, I know it was a different format, but it was still cricket) against India recently, I would say India would comfortably win the series 4-1.

Pujara is the best batsman of spin in the SC. The batting lineup of Vijay, Rahul, Pujara, Rahane, Kohli, Pandey, Ashwin and Jadeja would regularly score 400+, the Pakistani lineup doesn't come close. And Ashwin Jadeja are the the best spin duo. Did you see the Ashwin's ball that got Williamson out today?

NZ recently drew a series with Pakistan on spinning tracks. They however will not be able to do so against the much superior India.

 

[itsme]

Don't think indians will be silly enough to make turning track against pakistan but who cares pakistanvsindia is not going to happens anytime soon.

 

[street cricketer]

Pak has the advantage now with Younis and Misbah. They will retire pretty soon. They both are over 40. They cannot continue for ever.

India - Pak test matches are won on the ground. Not on paper.

If Pujara can keep up the form he is in, Indian batting will be huge.

Not really worried about Yasir. Indians play leggies well. I would be more worried of someone like Imad Wasim and of course Amir in Pace bowling.

By Pakistan, I assume the OP means the side containing YK and Misbah, both of whom are wonderful players of spin. Even apart from them, the younger guns are also very good players of spin - the likes of Sarfaraz, Azhar and Asad all average high in Asia.

3 out of our top 5 average lower in Asia than away from Asia. That should tell you a story. I honestly think we got more of a chance of beating Pakistan on a greentop than a rank turner. Indian batsmen used to be the benchmark of spin playing, this lot are certainly not the worst, but very ordinary when compared to their predecessors. Agree that Indian batsmen play leggies well but I wouldn't be surprised if they collapse against Zulfi baba.

 

[AlizeeFan]

We have a world-class leggie and the best batting against spin. Pakistan would win 3-1.

OP is talking about NZ match...

Pakistan couldn't win against NZ in UAE. Lost a match by an inning against NZ and drawn 1 in 3 match series.

Same NZ team lost comfortably against India 2-0 in last series and forget inning win or a test win, it seems they will have to really do well to even a match in this series. How would they manage to beat India 3-1?

Although I agree with world class leggie and best batting against spin part.

 

[AlizeeFan]

Batsmen in Ind, UAE and SL in last 5 years.
<table>
<thead><tr class="tableizer-firstrow"><th>Player </th><th>Span </th><th>Mat </th><th>Inns </th><th>NO </th><th>Runs </th><th>HS </th><th>Ave </th><th>BF </th><th>SR </th><th>100 </th><th>50 </th><th>0 </th><th>4s </th><th>6s</th></tr></thead><tbody>
<tr><td>CA Pujara (India) </td><td>2012-2016 </td><td>18 </td><td>29 </td><td>6 </td><td>1662 </td><td>206* </td><td>72.26 </td><td>3141 </td><td>52.91 </td><td>6 </td><td>5 </td><td>1 </td><td>200 </td><td>4</td></tr>
<tr><td>AN Cook (ENG) </td><td>2012-2015 </td><td>12 </td><td>23 </td><td>2 </td><td>1328 </td><td>263 </td><td>63.23 </td><td>3125 </td><td>42.49 </td><td>4 </td><td>4 </td><td>1 </td><td>134 </td><td>3</td></tr>
<tr><td>KC Sangakkara (SL) </td><td>2011-2015 </td><td>23 </td><td>45 </td><td>4 </td><td>2361 </td><td>221 </td><td>57.58 </td><td>4550 </td><td>51.89 </td><td>8 </td><td>10 </td><td>6 </td><td>229 </td><td>13</td></tr>
<tr><td>Sarfraz Ahmed (PAK) </td><td>2014-2015 </td><td>15 </td><td>26 </td><td>7 </td><td>1086 </td><td>112 </td><td>57.15 </td><td>1459 </td><td>74.43 </td><td>3 </td><td>6 </td><td>0 </td><td>107 </td><td>2</td></tr>
<tr><td>AD Mathews (SL) </td><td>2011-2016 </td><td>29 </td><td>54 </td><td>12 </td><td>2366 </td><td>157* </td><td>56.33 </td><td>4927 </td><td>48.02 </td><td>4 </td><td>14 </td><td>1 </td><td>240 </td><td>25</td></tr>
<tr><td>Misbah-ul-Haq (PAK) </td><td>2011-2015 </td><td>26 </td><td>44 </td><td>7 </td><td>2042 </td><td>135 </td><td>55.18 </td><td>4328 </td><td>47.18 </td><td>6 </td><td>13 </td><td>1 </td><td>172 </td><td>41</td></tr>
<tr><td>Younis Khan (PAK) </td><td>2011-2015 </td><td>27 </td><td>49 </td><td>5 </td><td>2419 </td><td>213 </td><td>54.97 </td><td>4705 </td><td>51.41 </td><td>10 </td><td>5 </td><td>2 </td><td>213 </td><td>18</td></tr>
<tr><td>Mohammad Hafeez (PAK) </td><td>2011-2015 </td><td>20 </td><td>39 </td><td>6 </td><td>1760 </td><td>197 </td><td>53.33 </td><td>2977 </td><td>59.11 </td><td>4 </td><td>8 </td><td>1 </td><td>206 </td><td>18</td></tr>
<tr><td>M Vijay (India) </td><td>2013-2016 </td><td>12 </td><td>20 </td><td>2 </td><td>920 </td><td>167 </td><td>51.11 </td><td>1949 </td><td>47.20 </td><td>2 </td><td>5 </td><td>1 </td><td>115 </td><td>10</td></tr>
<tr><td>MS Dhoni (India) </td><td>2011-2013 </td><td>15 </td><td>22 </td><td>4 </td><td>911 </td><td>224 </td><td>50.61 </td><td>1472 </td><td>61.88 </td><td>2 </td><td>4 </td><td>2 </td><td>91 </td><td>19</td></tr>
<tr><td>Asad Shafiq (PAK) </td><td>2011-2015 </td><td>27 </td><td>42 </td><td>5 </td><td>1788 </td><td>137 </td><td>48.32 </td><td>3765 </td><td>47.49 </td><td>5 </td><td>9 </td><td>1 </td><td>178 </td><td>16</td></tr>
<tr><td>Azhar Ali (PAK) </td><td>2011-2015 </td><td>23 </td><td>43 </td><td>3 </td><td>1878 </td><td>157 </td><td>46.95 </td><td>4663 </td><td>40.27 </td><td>8 </td><td>7 </td><td>3 </td><td>143 </td><td>4</td></tr>
<tr><td>LD Chandimal (SL) </td><td>2012-2016 </td><td>19 </td><td>33 </td><td>2 </td><td>1360 </td><td>162* </td><td>43.87 </td><td>2590 </td><td>52.50 </td><td>5 </td><td>4 </td><td>1 </td><td>150 </td><td>13</td></tr>
<tr><td>V Kohli (India) </td><td>2011-2016 </td><td>21 </td><td>33 </td><td>3 </td><td>1301 </td><td>107 </td><td>43.36 </td><td>2628 </td><td>49.50 </td><td>4 </td><td>8 </td><td>0 </td><td>155 </td><td>5</td></tr>
<tr><td>Ahmed Shehzad (PAK) </td><td>2013-2015 </td><td>11 </td><td>21 </td><td>1 </td><td>861 </td><td>176 </td><td>43.05 </td><td>1616 </td><td>53.27 </td><td>3 </td><td>3 </td><td>1 </td><td>84 </td><td>8</td></tr>
<tr><td>DPMD Jayawardene (SL) </td><td>2011-2014 </td><td>17 </td><td>32 </td><td>1 </td><td>1204 </td><td>180 </td><td>38.83 </td><td>2593 </td><td>46.43 </td><td>4 </td><td>5 </td><td>3 </td><td>131 </td><td>10</td></tr>
<tr><td>TM Dilshan (SL) </td><td>2011-2013 </td><td>10 </td><td>20 </td><td>0 </td><td>756 </td><td>126 </td><td>37.80 </td><td>1142 </td><td>66.19 </td><td>3 </td><td>4 </td><td>2 </td><td>86 </td><td>4</td></tr>
<tr><td>R Ashwin (India) </td><td>2011-2016 </td><td>23 </td><td>30 </td><td>5 </td><td>842 </td><td>124 </td><td>33.68 </td><td>1484 </td><td>56.73 </td><td>2 </td><td>4 </td><td>1 </td><td>96 </td><td>6</td></tr>
<tr><td>FDM Karunaratne (SL) </td><td>2012-2016 </td><td>17 </td><td>33 </td><td>2 </td><td>960 </td><td>186 </td><td>30.96 </td><td>1852 </td><td>51.83 </td><td>2 </td><td>4 </td><td>6 </td><td>102 </td><td>3</td></tr>
<tr><td>JK Silva (SL) </td><td>2011-2016 </td><td>20 </td><td>37 </td><td>0 </td><td>1103 </td><td>125 </td><td>29.81 </td><td>2837 </td><td>38.87 </td><td>2 </td><td>6 </td><td>4 </td><td>128 </td><td>0</td></tr>
</tbody></table>

 

[AlizeeFan]

Bowlers during same period

<table>
<thead><tr class="tableizer-firstrow"><th>Player </th><th>Span </th><th>Mat </th><th>Inns </th><th>Overs </th><th>Mdns </th><th>Runs </th><th>Wkts </th><th>BBI </th><th>BBM </th><th>Ave </th><th>Econ </th><th>SR </th><th>5 </th><th>10</th></tr></thead><tbody>
<tr><td>RA Jadeja (India) </td><td>2012-2016 </td><td>10 </td><td>18 </td><td>438.1 </td><td>150 </td><td>858 </td><td>55 </td><td>5/21 </td><td>8/76 </td><td>15.60 </td><td>1.95 </td><td>47.8 </td><td>4 </td><td>0</td></tr>
<tr><td>R Ashwin (India) </td><td>2011-2016 </td><td>23 </td><td>44 </td><td>1120.0 </td><td>264 </td><td>3110 </td><td>151 </td><td>7/66 </td><td>12/85 </td><td>20.59 </td><td>2.77 </td><td>44.5 </td><td>15 </td><td>4</td></tr>
<tr><td>HMRKB Herath (SL) </td><td>2011-2016 </td><td>29 </td><td>57 </td><td>1647.0 </td><td>369 </td><td>4219 </td><td>187 </td><td>9/127 </td><td>14/184 </td><td>22.56 </td><td>2.56 </td><td>52.8 </td><td>18 </td><td>6</td></tr>
<tr><td>Yasir Shah (PAK) </td><td>2014-2015 </td><td>10 </td><td>19 </td><td>519.1 </td><td>79 </td><td>1497 </td><td>66 </td><td>7/76 </td><td>9/155 </td><td>22.68 </td><td>2.88 </td><td>47.1 </td><td>4 </td><td>0</td></tr>
<tr><td>JM Anderson (ENG) </td><td>2012-2015 </td><td>12 </td><td>23 </td><td>415.4 </td><td>108 </td><td>1011 </td><td>43 </td><td>5/72 </td><td>6/69 </td><td>23.51 </td><td>2.43 </td><td>58.0 </td><td>1 </td><td>0</td></tr>
<tr><td>GP Swann (ENG) </td><td>2012-2012 </td><td>9 </td><td>16 </td><td>421.5 </td><td>74 </td><td>1176 </td><td>49 </td><td>6/82 </td><td>10/181 </td><td>24.00 </td><td>2.78 </td><td>51.6 </td><td>3 </td><td>1</td></tr>
<tr><td>PP Ojha (India) </td><td>2011-2013 </td><td>13 </td><td>26 </td><td>682.2 </td><td>174 </td><td>1723 </td><td>71 </td><td>6/47 </td><td>10/89 </td><td>24.26 </td><td>2.52 </td><td>57.6 </td><td>7 </td><td>1</td></tr>
<tr><td>KTGD Prasad (SL) </td><td>2011-2015 </td><td>13 </td><td>24 </td><td>382.0 </td><td>67 </td><td>1243 </td><td>47 </td><td>4/34 </td><td>8/169 </td><td>26.44 </td><td>3.25 </td><td>48.7 </td><td>0 </td><td>0</td></tr>
<tr><td>Saeed Ajmal (PAK) </td><td>2011-2014 </td><td>16 </td><td>31 </td><td>962.4 </td><td>197 </td><td>2386 </td><td>88 </td><td>7/55 </td><td>10/97 </td><td>27.11 </td><td>2.47 </td><td>65.6 </td><td>5 </td><td>1</td></tr>
<tr><td>MDK Perera (SL) </td><td>2014-2016 </td><td>10 </td><td>19 </td><td>461.5 </td><td>84 </td><td>1345 </td><td>49 </td><td>6/70 </td><td>10/99 </td><td>27.44 </td><td>2.91 </td><td>56.5 </td><td>3 </td><td>1</td></tr>
<tr><td>Junaid Khan (PAK) </td><td>2011-2015 </td><td>16 </td><td>29 </td><td>564.4 </td><td>96 </td><td>1699 </td><td>54 </td><td>5/38 </td><td>8/151 </td><td>31.46 </td><td>3.00 </td><td>62.7 </td><td>5 </td><td>0</td></tr>
<tr><td>Abdur Rehman (PAK) </td><td>2011-2014 </td><td>10 </td><td>19 </td><td>498.5 </td><td>108 </td><td>1242 </td><td>39 </td><td>6/25 </td><td>8/92 </td><td>31.84 </td><td>2.48 </td><td>76.7 </td><td>2 </td><td>0</td></tr>
<tr><td>Zulfiqar Babar (PAK) </td><td>2013-2015 </td><td>12 </td><td>22 </td><td>615.2 </td><td>124 </td><td>1756 </td><td>48 </td><td>5/74 </td><td>8/233 </td><td>36.58 </td><td>2.85 </td><td>76.9 </td><td>2 </td><td>0</td></tr>
</tbody></table>

 

[Buffet]

Probably a close series with Pakistan taking the series. Pakistan as unit should play spin better than current Indian line up and Indian have a better spin attack. So it will be close, but I recon Pakistan will take the series.

 

[Napa]

Bowlers during same period

<table>
<thead><tr class="tableizer-firstrow"><th>Player </th><th>Span </th><th>Mat </th><th>Inns </th><th>Overs </th><th>Mdns </th><th>Runs </th><th>Wkts </th><th>BBI </th><th>BBM </th><th>Ave </th><th>Econ </th><th>SR </th><th>5 </th><th>10</th></tr></thead><tbody>
<tr><td>RA Jadeja (India) </td><td>2012-2016 </td><td>10 </td><td>18 </td><td>438.1 </td><td>150 </td><td>858 </td><td>55 </td><td>5/21 </td><td>8/76 </td><td>15.60 </td><td>1.95 </td><td>47.8 </td><td>4 </td><td>0</td></tr>
<tr><td>R Ashwin (India) </td><td>2011-2016 </td><td>23 </td><td>44 </td><td>1120.0 </td><td>264 </td><td>3110 </td><td>151 </td><td>7/66 </td><td>12/85 </td><td>20.59 </td><td>2.77 </td><td>44.5 </td><td>15 </td><td>4</td></tr>
<tr><td>HMRKB Herath (SL) </td><td>2011-2016 </td><td>29 </td><td>57 </td><td>1647.0 </td><td>369 </td><td>4219 </td><td>187 </td><td>9/127 </td><td>14/184 </td><td>22.56 </td><td>2.56 </td><td>52.8 </td><td>18 </td><td>6</td></tr>
<tr><td>Yasir Shah (PAK) </td><td>2014-2015 </td><td>10 </td><td>19 </td><td>519.1 </td><td>79 </td><td>1497 </td><td>66 </td><td>7/76 </td><td>9/155 </td><td>22.68 </td><td>2.88 </td><td>47.1 </td><td>4 </td><td>0</td></tr>
<tr><td>JM Anderson (ENG) </td><td>2012-2015 </td><td>12 </td><td>23 </td><td>415.4 </td><td>108 </td><td>1011 </td><td>43 </td><td>5/72 </td><td>6/69 </td><td>23.51 </td><td>2.43 </td><td>58.0 </td><td>1 </td><td>0</td></tr>
<tr><td>GP Swann (ENG) </td><td>2012-2012 </td><td>9 </td><td>16 </td><td>421.5 </td><td>74 </td><td>1176 </td><td>49 </td><td>6/82 </td><td>10/181 </td><td>24.00 </td><td>2.78 </td><td>51.6 </td><td>3 </td><td>1</td></tr>
<tr><td>PP Ojha (India) </td><td>2011-2013 </td><td>13 </td><td>26 </td><td>682.2 </td><td>174 </td><td>1723 </td><td>71 </td><td>6/47 </td><td>10/89 </td><td>24.26 </td><td>2.52 </td><td>57.6 </td><td>7 </td><td>1</td></tr>
<tr><td>KTGD Prasad (SL) </td><td>2011-2015 </td><td>13 </td><td>24 </td><td>382.0 </td><td>67 </td><td>1243 </td><td>47 </td><td>4/34 </td><td>8/169 </td><td>26.44 </td><td>3.25 </td><td>48.7 </td><td>0 </td><td>0</td></tr>
<tr><td>Saeed Ajmal (PAK) </td><td>2011-2014 </td><td>16 </td><td>31 </td><td>962.4 </td><td>197 </td><td>2386 </td><td>88 </td><td>7/55 </td><td>10/97 </td><td>27.11 </td><td>2.47 </td><td>65.6 </td><td>5 </td><td>1</td></tr>
<tr><td>MDK Perera (SL) </td><td>2014-2016 </td><td>10 </td><td>19 </td><td>461.5 </td><td>84 </td><td>1345 </td><td>49 </td><td>6/70 </td><td>10/99 </td><td>27.44 </td><td>2.91 </td><td>56.5 </td><td>3 </td><td>1</td></tr>
<tr><td>Junaid Khan (PAK) </td><td>2011-2015 </td><td>16 </td><td>29 </td><td>564.4 </td><td>96 </td><td>1699 </td><td>54 </td><td>5/38 </td><td>8/151 </td><td>31.46 </td><td>3.00 </td><td>62.7 </td><td>5 </td><td>0</td></tr>
<tr><td>Abdur Rehman (PAK) </td><td>2011-2014 </td><td>10 </td><td>19 </td><td>498.5 </td><td>108 </td><td>1242 </td><td>39 </td><td>6/25 </td><td>8/92 </td><td>31.84 </td><td>2.48 </td><td>76.7 </td><td>2 </td><td>0</td></tr>
<tr><td>Zulfiqar Babar (PAK) </td><td>2013-2015 </td><td>12 </td><td>22 </td><td>615.2 </td><td>124 </td><td>1756 </td><td>48 </td><td>5/74 </td><td>8/233 </td><td>36.58 </td><td>2.85 </td><td>76.9 </td><td>2 </td><td>0</td></tr>
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Basically this table shows that the Pakistani attack will be toothless against India, given that Indian batsmen play legspin well.

 

[#GreenRoars]

Basically this table shows that the Pakistani attack will be toothless against India, given that Indian batsmen play legspin well.

And according to same table M.Hafeez will score better than all Indian players apart from Pujara )

Or just, selecting pickings

 

[nighthawk23]

Yes let's pretend like England didn't beat India in these conditions in 2012.

 

[Napa]

And according to same table M.Hafeez will score better than all Indian players apart from Pujara )

Or just, selecting pickings

So tell me, which Pakistani bowler do you think will be a threat to India?

 

[Justcrazy]

Pakistan will win it 4- 1

All will be close games though , but I think Pakistan will get over the line.

Pakistan will play 4 spinners probably

 

[coy0607]

The higher ranked test team should dominate

 

[ask_analyse_act]

So tell me, which Pakistani bowler do you think will be a threat to India?

Forget about the threat. Pakistan will win

 

[joly]

Pakistan edges past India in batting,India edges past pakistan in Bowling,weird times but would have been an interesting series

 

[Saurav]

Pakistan will win it 4- 1

All will be close games though , but I think Pakistan will get over the line.

Pakistan will play 4 spinners probably

Who apart from Yasir?

 

[Couch Cricketer]

Only till we have Misbah and Yk after they go it would be a more even contest maybe India might be a bit ahead even

 

[Bilal7]

OP is talking about NZ match...

Pakistan couldn't win against NZ in UAE. Lost a match by an inning against NZ and drawn 1 in 3 match series.

Same NZ team lost comfortably against India 2-0 in last series and forget inning win or a test win, it seems they will have to really do well to even a match in this series. How would they manage to beat India 3-1?

Although I agree with world class leggie and best batting against spin part.

Umm, you do know that UAE pitches and Indian pitches are completely different, right?

So tell me, which Pakistani bowler do you think will be a threat to India?

Stop being delusional. Yasir and one of Zafar or Usama will make a mockery of batsmen who have gotten owned by Moeen Ali, Dean Elgar, Imran Tahir, that other South African spinner and Lyon, in the recent past.

Don't fancy Rahul, Rohit or Pujara against Amir and Riaz either.

Who apart from Yasir?

Every single bowler will be a threat. Or do you believe that your lineup has Sachins, Laras and Bradmans in it?

 

[Napa]

Stop being delusional. Yasir and one of Zafar or Usama will make a mockery of batsmen who have gotten owned by Moeen Ali, Dean Elgar, Imran Tahir, that other South African spinner and Lyon, in the recent past.

Same team who got smashed by Indian batsmen for 300 easy peasey runs in an ODI just last year... talk about being delusional!

 

[Bilal7]

Same team who got smashed by Indian batsmen for 300 easy peasey runs in an ODI just last year... talk about being delusional!

You're not very bright. That was an ODI, played on a road, with restrictions on which bowler could bowl how many overs.

We are discussing test matches, on rank turners, with nothing stopping Yasir Shah from schooling your team in a 10 over spell.

A truly ridiculous post.

 

[Napa]

You're not very bright. That was an ODI, played on a road, with restrictions on which bowler could bowl how many overs.

We are discussing test matches, on rank turners, with nothing stopping Yasir Shah from schooling your team in a 10 over spell.

A truly ridiculous post.

Apparently you have comprehension difficulties... I said "300 easy peasey runs in an ODI just last year".

nothing stopping Yasir Shah from schooling your team in a 10 over spell

This is really funny. Yasir's figures were 8-0-60-0. So if he got to bowl 40 overs we could expect his figures to improve to 40-0-300-0

As for it being played on a "road", do you remember how many runs your batsmen scored?

 

[Ab Fan]

Apparently you have comprehension difficulties... I said "300 easy peasey runs in an ODI just last year".



This is really funny. Yasir's figures were 8-0-60-0. So if he got to bowl 40 overs we could expect his figures to improve to 40-0-300-0

As for it being played on a "road", do you remember how many runs your batsmen scored?

Yasir in odis is pretty mediocre.

Yasir - the test bowler is a world class leg spinner and has potential to be the best spinner since Murali/Warne.

 

[Napa]

Yasir in odis is pretty mediocre.

Yasir - the test bowler is a world class leg spinner and has potential to be the best spinner since Murali/Warne.

Yasir is good, but as you can see from the table above, Jadeja and Ashwin are better.

Also, legspin is not really something that bothers Indian batsmen. The supply of quality batsmen in India far exceeds its needs, with just recently 3 batsmen from Mumbai scoring centuries against NZ.

 

[Ab Fan]

Yasir is good, but as you can see from the table above, Jadeja and Ashwin are better.

Also, legspin is not really something that bothers Indian batsmen. The supply of quality batsmen in India far exceeds its needs, with just recently 3 batsmen from Mumbai scoring centuries against NZ.

Indian and SL pitches are far more spin friendly than the ones served in UAE.Jadeja avgs 15 in Asia but he isn't regarded anywhere close to be called as greatest spinner going around.So stats don't give clear indication everytime like it is now.

Yasir won Pak two games in England which is a big feat.

And here we are talking about rank turners in India where Yasir will be a big deal. He is a special bowler and deserves to be appreciated.

 

[Napa]

Indian and SL pitches are far more spin friendly than the ones served in UAE.Jadeja avgs 15 in Asia but he isn't regarded anywhere close to be called as greatest spinner going around.So stats don't give clear indication everytime like it is now.

Yasir won Pak two games in England which is a big feat.

And here we are talking about rank turners in India where Yasir will be a big deal. He is a special bowler and deserves to be appreciated.

Many consider Ashwin to be the greatest spinner playing. Yasir did win 2 matches against England, but the English are not the standard for playing legspin.

If we get away from the partisan posts, I think there are elements of truth in both what you and I have to say. However at this point this will not be settled in the real world, the only objective measure we are left with are rankings.

 

[Ab Fan]

Many consider Ashwin to be the greatest spinner playing. Yasir did win 2 matches against England, but the English are not the standard for playing legspin.

If we get away from the partisan posts, I think there are elements of truth in both what you and I have to say. However at this point this will not be settled in the real world, the only objective measure we are left with are rankings.

Its not about that.For a spinner the biggest test is to perform overseas as conditions outside Asia aren't suited to spin bowling like it does in Asia.

Ashwin did well in WI but WI are a minnow level team.He hardly bowled in Eng,SA and NZ when he toured there and went missing in Aus.

Yasir had toured Eng and took 2 5-fer and won one game single-handedly. Let Yasir tour other places also and then we will talk about them but even then we can't write off his success in England which I know his stats don't show either.

In Asia, both are beast and so is Jadeja. Yasir stats are lesser than Ash due to the fact that Indian pitches provide more assistance to spin than UAE these days.But Ash is a match winner too and hence I rate him highly.

But as of now, in Asia, Yasir = Ashwin(or slightly towards Ashwin due to his impact.He did outperformed Herath in SL)

Outside Asia, Ashwin has done nothing much of note except in WI where he was beast while Yasir did well in England(the only place he toured as of now).So, its Yasir as of now.

 

[Napa]

Its not about that.For a spinner the biggest test is to perform overseas as conditions outside Asia aren't suited to spin bowling like it does in Asia.

Ashwin did well in WI but WI are a minnow level team.He hardly bowled in Eng,SA and NZ when he toured there and went missing in Aus.

Yasir had toured Eng and took 2 5-fer and won one game single-handedly. Let Yasir tour other places also and then we will talk about them but even then we can't write off his success in England which I know his stats don't show either.

In Asia, both are beast and so is Jadeja. Yasir stats are lesser than Ash due to the fact that Indian pitches provide more assistance to spin than UAE these days.But Ash is a match winner too and hence I rate him highly.

But as of now, in Asia, Yasir = Ashwin(or slightly towards Ashwin due to his impact.He did outperformed Herath in SL)

Outside Asia, Ashwin has done nothing much of note except in WI where he was beast while Yasir did well in England(the only place he toured as of now).So, its Yasir as of now.

Bit of a tragedy that due to non-cricketing reasons we may never get to see Yasir bowl to Indian batsmen in a test.

You make your points well, thanks for the discussion.

 

[Indiafan]

Considering that Indian batsmen currently are very poor players of spin, Pakistan is likely to have the upper hand. I think the spin bowling will be evenly matched and we can see off the pacers. However recently we have made even mediocre spinners look unplayable. Pakistan batsmen are better able to handle spin

On green or flat wickets we have an even match. Surprisingly Pak pace attack is at its weakest ATM with Amir looking off color without support and other bowlers being very inconsistent

 

[Slog]

Ashwin made Sangakkara look like a club level player and I rate Sanga over the likes of YK/Misbah. Pakistan batting are no exception either, the same thing will happen to them at the hands of Ash/Jaddu.

A Sanga who was well past it and didn't want to be even playing until he was blackmailed by the Sri Lankan board

 

[Slog]

Misbah, Younis, Shafiq and Azhar will milk them all day long

 

[street cricketer]

A Sanga who was well past it and didn't want to be even playing until he was blackmailed by the Sri Lankan board

Lol Ashwin isn't a 150k pacer mate.

 

[Sidilicious]

One thing to take into account is with India playing at home for the next 13 tests, their game against spin might improve considerably.

 

[joly]

Pakistan playing at their best in 10 years and Indians at their worst in 10 years, very difficult for Indian team if there was a series

 

[Prince_]

India will easily win the series 4-1. Pak is doing pretty well in tests but lol at those who r delusional enough to think that Pak r capable enough to compete with India in India in a test series.

 

[AlizeeFan]

Misbah, Younis, Shafiq and Azhar will milk them all day long

India will need Craig in the team to take care of Pakistani batsmen.

 

[Haroon786]

Lol Ashwin isn't a 150k pacer mate.

Yes he didn't want to be playing then, doesn't matter if Ashwin was bowling 15 kph or 150 kph.

Even vs Pakistan who he usually beasts against he didn't play well - kind of obvious why.

 

[Haroon786]

One thing to take into account is with India playing at home for the next 13 tests, their game against spin might improve considerably.

How many of the teams they're playing have got good spinners ?

 

[Haroon786]

It'll be something like 3-1 or 2-1 Pakistan with a draw or two happening because of a rare flat pitch.

 

[Sidilicious]

How many of the teams they're playing have got good spinners ?

The spinner might not be high quality, but the amount of cricket they will play on spin pitches will help them improve.

 

[Bilal7]

Apparently you have comprehension difficulties... I said "300 easy peasey runs in an ODI just last year".



This is really funny. Yasir's figures were 8-0-60-0. So if he got to bowl 40 overs we could expect his figures to improve to 40-0-300-0

As for it being played on a "road", do you remember how many runs your batsmen scored?

You need to first understand that tests and ODIs have a lot of differences and just because India managed to handle Shah on a flat, ODI track doesn't mean that they will do the same on a raging turner. In fact, the record of the Indian batsmen against any half-decent spinner is ridiculously bad and there is nothing to suggest that they would be able to play the best leggie since Warne with any modicum of success.

Now, if you still can't move on from that ODI and talk about test cricket, I really do not want to waste my time debating with a totally dense ******.

 

[Haroon786]

The spinner might not be high quality, but the amount of cricket they will play on spin pitches will help them improve.

The only comparable pitches to India are probably Lankan ones though, UAE tends to be slow and low bounce rather than offering massive turn, they only break apart in the last 3-4 sessions and Bangladesh hardly play enough Tests especially vs India.

 

[Sidilicious]

The only comparable pitches to India are probably Lankan ones though, UAE tends to be slow and low bounce rather than offering massive turn, they only break apart in the last 3-4 sessions and Bangladesh hardly play enough Tests especially vs India.

I am talking about the tests we will play at home. If we get enough tests, there will be enough emphasis on improving our batting against spin. And players will slowly start getting their techniques and small frailties against spin right.

 

[Bilal7]

I am talking about the tests we will play at home. If we get enough tests, there will be enough emphasis on improving our batting against spin. And players will slowly start getting their techniques and small frailties against spin right.

Or they'll end up giving Root a fifer.

 

[Haroon786]

I am talking about the tests we will play at home. If we get enough tests, there will be enough emphasis on improving our batting against spin. And players will slowly start getting their techniques and small frailties against spin right.

That's the exact point, conditions replicable to India are very rare around the world, you've played WI very recently and Lanka last year, so there are no places where the new found soundness vs spin could be tested on.

Australia, England, NZ and SA all play completely differently.

 

[Slog]

Lol Ashwin isn't a 150k pacer mate.

So?

 

[Sidilicious]

That's the exact point, conditions replicable to India are very rare around the world, you've played WI very recently and Lanka last year, so there are no places where the new found soundness vs spin could be tested on.

Australia, England, NZ and SA all play completely differently.

It can be tested in India where we play half of our test matches!

I am not sure you get the point that. India has batted pretty well in Aus, SA, NZ, WI and SL. We haven't done very well in England and India. In India, I believe that if we play these many tests, we will get our solidity in tests back, like our previous generation used to have (not to that extent, but still pretty solid). In Eng, lets see in 2018 whether our batsmen have learnt from their previous mistakes.