Pakistan vs India, in India, 5 match Test series, on rank turners

[Tusker]

I did say Ind were better than us when this thread was created, but not by a mile.

6-8 months is not a short time if you play 10 tests during that time and only win 2. We've been pathetic since the beginning of the WI series in Sept/Oct. Before that we were decent at home, and just drew 2-2 against England away. So you can't say India were better COMFORTABLY in Sept 2016.

Well it is a short period of time if a Team (Pak) goes from supposedly beating the #1 team in their backyard to losing test matches to the 8th Rank team that is currently playing its B or C Team.

 

[Tusker]

When you draw a 4 match Test series in England and remain undefeated at home in Test series for about 7 years in a row then we shall talk

India have won nearly twice as many tests as Pakistan at Home in that time span (and also lost only 3 Tests) even though they have played a lot more than Pakistan in that time frame.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...span;team=6;team=7;template=results;type=team

This is why you should actually check the stats a bit closer than just going by series wins before you decide to troal

 

[shaz619]

India have won nearly twice as many tests as Pakistan at Home in that time span (and also lost only 3 Tests) even though they have played a lot more than Pakistan in that time frame.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...span;team=6;team=7;template=results;type=team

This is why you should actually check the stats a bit closer than just going by series wins before you decide to troal

So you do not have an unbeaten run at home in Test series during the last 7 years and have not draw level with England in England in a 4 match series what a self-ownage from Tusker

 

[Tusker]

So you do not have an unbeaten run at home in Test series during the last 7 years and have not draw level with England in England in a 4 match series what a self-ownage from Tusker

ehh ? You lost to WI ... thats like being knocked out by a girl in a boxing match but I have a funny feeling you will try to portray that as nothing and make a fool out of yourself )

 

[geraltofrivia]

India have not lost a match to Windies since 2002.

 

[Cuts_and_cuts_hard]

Pakistan are an embarassment to test cricket. India will beat them in India, UAE< England, Australia, Antarctica and Mars

 

[shaz619]

ehh ? You lost to WI ... thats like being knocked out by a girl in a boxing match but I have a funny feeling you will try to portray that as nothing and make a fool out of yourself )

Don't let your mental ineptness distract you from the fact that you've not been unbeaten for 7 years at home in test series nor have you drew level with England in England, in addition you got hammered by an AUS who are minnows in asian conditions and got slaughtered by a lanka who were beaten by Bangladesh

India as it stands are inferior to Bangladesh ) forget getting KO'd by a little girl, you guys passed out during the little girls ring walk ) ) )

 

[Napa]

Don't let your mental ineptness distract you from the fact that you've not been unbeaten for 7 years at home in test series nor have you drew level with England in England, in addition you got hammered by an AUS who are minnows in asian conditions and got slaughtered by a lanka who were beaten by Bangladesh

India as it stands are inferior to Bangladesh ) forget getting KO'd by a little girl, you guys passed out during the little girls ring walk ) ) )

Your method of arguing is this: Suppose A beats B in 19 out of 20 games, and loses 1 game. You will talk only about the one loss and claim B is better than A on that basis.

 

[shaz619]

Your method of arguing is this: Suppose A beats B in 19 out of 20 games, and loses 1 game. You will talk only about the one loss and claim B is better than A on that basis.

That's what you guys do and then get your knickers in a twist when you get hit with the sweet chin music

 

[Napa]

That's what you guys do and then get your knickers in a twist when you get hit with the sweet chin music

Nope, I have never used and would never use such easily refutable arguments.

 

[Bilal7]

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Nothing has changed. India wouldn't have done any better in they played that test, instead of Pakistan. Rich when the bumps are coming from an old man who supports India, a team that just got exposed by O'Keefe and Lyon on their home turf.

 

[Titan of Technique]

India has not lost to WI in 15 years son.let that sink in.And India would have never let WI score 268 on a breaking, uneven, turning day 4 pitch after taking a lead of 80.Plus our batsmen are much better and aggressive than the Pakistani senior citizens.We would have easily scored 100 more in the 1st innings and scored the sub 100 target in 15-20 overs losing 2-3 wickets.

No shame in accepting the fact that this Pakistan team is miserable in comparison to teams of the past and would be humbled by India in a test match played anywhere in the world.

 

[Tusker]

BUMP

Any doubts still remaining ? SL won even without Matthews in Pakistans backyard. While India hammered the same Team 3-Zip. But I am pretty sure [MENTION=129948]Bilal7[/MENTION] will still have some unique formula to arrive at Pak > India

 

[rashmin]

That's what you guys do and then get your knickers in a twist when you get hit with the sweet chin music

Whose knicker got twisted now???

 

[rashmin]

BUMP

Any doubts still remaining ? SL won even without Matthews in Pakistans backyard. While India hammered the same Team 3-Zip. But I am pretty sure [MENTION=129948]Bilal7[/MENTION] will still have some unique formula to arrive at Pak > India

Very well said.

 

[rashmin]

Obviously India are scared of Pakistan and who wouldn't be??? Pakistan cricket fans behave like they are No. 1 in ranking in all formats as soon as they won CT 2017 final. As per them as always Pakistan lost but the SL did not won....duh.....

 

[Sachin136]

Nothing has changed. India wouldn't have done any better in they played that test, instead of Pakistan. Rich when the bumps are coming from an old man who supports India, a team that just got exposed by O'Keefe and Lyon on their home turf.

Would India have lost this match as well?

 

[Bilal7]

BUMP

Any doubts still remaining ? SL won even without Matthews in Pakistans backyard. While India hammered the same Team 3-Zip. But I am pretty sure [MENTION=129948]Bilal7[/MENTION] will still have some unique formula to arrive at Pak > India

Pakistan just lost two of their best and most experienced batsmen and their long-standing captain. It's obvious that at this moment, India are the better test team but hopefully in a few months, the natural order of things will be restored.

With Misbah and Younis, Pakistan were the superior team.

 

[Pollack]

cannot play herath and perera properly on uae pitch. And think they are going to win against Ashwin and jadeja and that too on rank turners in India.

 

[Tusker]

Pakistan just lost two of their best and most experienced batsmen and their long-standing captain. It's obvious that at this moment, India are the better test team but hopefully in a few months, the natural order of things will be restored.

With Misbah and Younis, Pakistan were the superior team.

Even with those 2 in the side Pak lost 2 Tests to WI came within 50 runs of losing another and 1 over of comming back empty handed from WI (again). Lets not even talk about NZ and Aus ... whats the next excuse ?

 

[Bilal7]

Even with those 2 in the side Pak lost 2 Tests to WI came within 50 runs of losing another and 1 over of comming back empty handed from WI (again). Lets not even talk about NZ and Aus ... whats the next excuse ?

Won two tests in England, undefeated at home for over a decade and the best batting lineup against spin.

 

[ToeCrusher2]

India has been better than Pakistan in all formats for the last 2 decades

 

[DRsohail]

india will easily win by 4-1or 5_0but an year later we will be a bettter side iric/.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

5-0 for India obviously. The gap is too wide. Our batting and bowling are both better than parosis' in tests.

 

[Tusker]

Won two tests in England, undefeated at home for over a decade and the best batting lineup against spin.

Performances against england are no longer the benchmark used for team ranking .... and as far as home record for last decade is concerned :

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...span;team=6;team=7;template=results;type=team

India has played 26 more test matches than Pakistan but has lost only 5 (out of 54) compared to 5 tests (out of 28) . And as far as Wins go we have won more Tests than Pak has played in that entire time period ( 35 tests won vs 28 Tests played by Pak ) . I can rattle off few other things but I think this should end the debate

 

[Bilal7]

Performances against england are no longer the benchmark used for team ranking .... and as far as home record for last decade is concerned :

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...span;team=6;team=7;template=results;type=team

India has played 26 more test matches than Pakistan but has lost only 5 (out of 54) compared to 5 tests (out of 28) . And as far as Wins go we have won more Tests than Pak has played in that entire time period ( 35 tests won vs 28 Tests played by Pak ) . I can rattle off few other things but I think this should end the debate

You guys can say what you want but for subcontinent teams, what one does in foreign conditions is what matters and we have clearly been the better team in England.

India has won more tests by virtue of hosting foreign teams on their diabolical pitches but Pakistan has never lost a series at home in over a decade.

With Younis and Misbah at their best, Pakistan were the better team. Without them, the balance of power has obviously shifted but very soon, the natural order of things will be restored and Pakistan will be better than India in the cricketing world.

 

[Tusker]

You guys can say what you want but for subcontinent teams, what one does in foreign conditions is what matters and we have clearly been the better team in England.

India won a Test match last time in England to a much stronger and in-form England team. I get your point about alien conditions but not every Win in England is the same. Even SL and WI have won Tests in England.

And Eng is not the only place that is Alien for Asian teams. WI is another such place and you know what happened there. So are SA,NZ and AUS. India's performance is better taan Pak everywhere except Eng.

India has won more tests by virtue of hosting foreign teams on their diabolical pitches but Pakistan has never lost a series at home in over a decade.

How did England score 400+ on multiple occasions (and still lost) on supposedly diabolical pitches ?

With Younis and Misbah at their best, Pakistan were the better team. Without them, the balance of power has obviously shifted but very soon, the natural order of things will be restored and Pakistan will be better than India in the cricketing world.

You keep talking about this natural order of things ... when the reality is that Pakistan has lost Tests to WI, SL, NZ and SA at home. For fudge sakes your team came within 50 runs of losing a series to WI at home when both Misbah and YK were playing. And then there was that loss to Zimbabwe ... wake up.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Won two tests in England, undefeated at home for over a decade and the best batting lineup against spin.

You were saying?

 

[Bilal7]

You were saying?

Cheap to bring up an old post that was accurate at the time of its posting. Expected from you, however.

India is a better test team than Pakistan, at the moment. Everyone can see that. However, we were the better team with Younis and Misbah around.

 

[CanadianG00se]

We will show Pakistan in November how to defeat Sri Lanka 2

 

[Sidilicious]

We will show Pakistan in November how to defeat Sri Lanka 2

Not sure they will be watching. Looks like they didn't take any tips from the earlier series.

On a serious note, SL will be handful now. I wonder if they will compete better now.

 

[Bilal7]

India won a Test match last time in England to a much stronger and in-form England team. I get your point about alien conditions but not every Win in England is the same. Even SL and WI have won Tests in England.

And Eng is not the only place that is Alien for Asian teams. WI is another such place and you know what happened there. So are SA,NZ and AUS. India's performance is better taan Pak everywhere except Eng.



How did England score 400+ on multiple occasions (and still lost) on supposedly diabolical pitches ?



You keep talking about this natural order of things ... when the reality is that Pakistan has lost Tests to WI, SL, NZ and SA at home. For fudge sakes your team came within 50 runs of losing a series to WI at home when both Misbah and YK were playing. And then there was that loss to Zimbabwe ... wake up.

Yes, you won a solitary test match but Pakistan drew a series. One is clearly more valuable than the other. India lost series to Australia and South Africa away, same goes for Pakistan. What's your point?

I remember what happened in the West Indies. We won.

You're either playing dumb or have no clue about what you're talking about. The pitches for the series against England were not the same as the ones you guys gave to South Africa and Australia for example. Of all the non-spinning spinners in the world, O'Keefe embarrassed you guys and you were lucky that the same didn't take place at the hands of Tahir and Harmer.

England did beat you guys in 2012 however, prior to which they lost to us. So there is that.

The natural order of things is displayed in our head-to-head records, overall W/L record and the lack of a single truly great fast bowler from your country. This holds true in tests and ODIs.

 

[sachin100]

Yes, you won a solitary test match but Pakistan drew a series. One is clearly more valuable than the other. India lost series to Australia and South Africa away, same goes for Pakistan. What's your point?

I remember what happened in the West Indies. We won.

You're either playing dumb or have no clue about what you're talking about. The pitches for the series against England were not the same as the ones you guys gave to South Africa and Australia for example. Of all the non-spinning spinners in the world, O'Keefe embarrassed you guys and you were lucky that the same didn't take place at the hands of Tahir and Harmer.

England did beat you guys in 2012 however, prior to which they lost to us. So there is that.

The natural order of things is displayed in our head-to-head records, overall W/L record and the lack of a single truly great fast bowler from your country. This holds true in tests and ODIs.

U have been whitewashed against australia and southafrica since eternity.

India has drawn series in aus and sa. U haven't even drawn a test against australia since eternity.

U had just one good series and that too its a draw in England. We have won and drawn a series there in 2000. U haven't won there since 1996.


u should be the last one to boast of anything

 

[Sidilicious]

Yes, you won a solitary test match but Pakistan drew a series. One is clearly more valuable than the other. India lost series to Australia and South Africa away, same goes for Pakistan. What's your point?

I remember what happened in the West Indies. We won.

You're either playing dumb or have no clue about what you're talking about. The pitches for the series against England were not the same as the ones you guys gave to South Africa and Australia for example. Of all the non-spinning spinners in the world, O'Keefe embarrassed you guys and you were lucky that the same didn't take place at the hands of Tahir and Harmer.

England did beat you guys in 2012 however, prior to which they lost to us. So there is that.

The natural order of things is displayed in our head-to-head records, overall W/L record and the lack of a single truly great fast bowler from your country. This holds true in tests and ODIs.

2012 was 5 years back mate, and can't really be used to measure a team's strength. We have since hammered the England team at home. We have whitewashed NZ and SA team, which drew in UAE when you had Misbah and Yours.

 

[sachin100]

2012 was 5 years back mate, and can't really be used to measure a team's strength. We have since hammered the England team at home. We have whitewashed NZ and SA team, which drew in UAE when you had Misbah and Yours.

Only English team counts for pak fans.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Cheap to bring up an old post that was accurate at the time of its posting. Expected from you, however.

India is a better test team than Pakistan, at the moment. Everyone can see that. However, we were the better team with Younis and Misbah around.

You posted that on 3rd october.

 

[Chrish]

Can go either way tbh.. On a traditional slow UAE wicket I would back India to win.

 

[CanadianG00se]

Not sure they will be watching. Looks like they didn't take any tips from the earlier series.

On a serious note, SL will be handful now. I wonder if they will compete better now.

Despite recent success against Pakistan, id still back us to trash them again next month. At home we’re unbeatable, and i dont see anyone challenge us at home

 

[Chrish]

Issue with Pakistan is they were a better side when they drew series in England. But their players were simply too old and thus their good run ended rather quickly. India are much younger side.

 

[Ab Fan]

India have better players of spin and is also a superior batting lineup.

Yasir will be a massive threat but even then India has Ash/Jaddu..

Its one-sided to be honest now. No MissYou to strengthen middle order either.

 

[Tusker]

Yes, you won a solitary test match but Pakistan drew a series. One is clearly more valuable than the other. India lost series to Australia and South Africa away, same goes for Pakistan. What's your point?

Again ONE single drawn series in England does not maketh a great team. If you do not agree there is no point talking here. SAF, AUS, NZ are also equally challenging conditions for Asian teams and overall India has a better record than Pakistan no matter how much you try to spin it differently.

I remember what happened in the West Indies. We won.

See this is the sort of over simplified logic that leads to people trolling you .... You are gloating about Winning against WI in that manner where you lost a Test to them (one at home BTW) ?

You're either playing dumb or have no clue about what you're talking about. The pitches for the series against England were not the same as the ones you guys gave to South Africa and Australia for example.

Thats true to an extent ( last two tests vs Aus were not rank turners ) but your accusation was that we win ONLY with the help of diabolical pitches. But thanks for the small mercies ... I was fully expecting you to concoct

Of all the non-spinning spinners in the world, O'Keefe embarrassed you guys and you were lucky that the same didn't take place at the hands of Tahir and Harmer.

O'Keefe is better spinner than Mark Craig. These things happen in cricket.

England did beat you guys in 2012 however, prior to which they lost to us. So there is that.

How is this relevant to things as they stand today ?

The natural order of things is displayed in our head-to-head records, overall W/L record and the lack of a single truly great fast bowler from your country. This holds true in tests and ODIs.

So you think just because previous generation of Pakistani Cricketers did well it will continue to be the case forever ? This is your logic ? BTW how did that workout in Worldcup matches that people here still cry about 20+ yrs later ? I guess the natural order does not apply to Worldcups.

 

[Hitman]

You posted that on 3rd october.

What did he post?

 

[Dingolfy]

Yes, you won a solitary test match but Pakistan drew a series. One is clearly more valuable than the other. India lost series to Australia and South Africa away, same goes for Pakistan. What's your point?

I remember what happened in the West Indies. We won.

You're either playing dumb or have no clue about what you're talking about. The pitches for the series against England were not the same as the ones you guys gave to South Africa and Australia for example. Of all the non-spinning spinners in the world, O'Keefe embarrassed you guys and you were lucky that the same didn't take place at the hands of Tahir and Harmer.

England did beat you guys in 2012 however, prior to which they lost to us. So there is that.

The natural order of things is displayed in our head-to-head records, overall W/L record and the lack of a single truly great fast bowler from your country. This holds true in tests and ODIs.

Dude, your trundlers couldnt even get SL batsmen out whom our boys massacred at their own home for 3-0.For sure, you gonna play well against us.Forget about our senior team, our A-team boys will murder your trundlers for 5-0 margin.

 

[Sadevdesai]

When these two Teams play against each other ..... you have to throw the current standings of the Teams OUT !!!!! It is most painful that this match up will not happen in a near future ..... what a shame for the fans on both the sides !!!! True, there are political issues .... but for the sake of public interest can't they just put those asides for one Series ??????? Only few, in High places, are dictating this mess to the Millions on both the sides .....just how undemocratic is that ??????? ....... soooooo .... Sad !!!!!!

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Lol natural order of things eh? Pakistan lost two tests to Windies within a few months. We haven't lost to them in 15 years. Drew series Vs NZ in UAE, we smashed them every time here. Drew series Vs SA in UAE while we smashed them here. Drew series Vs SL in UAE while we smash them everywhere. Outperformed PAK on our last tours to SA/NZ/OZ/WI quite comfortably. All this when MisYou were still playing. But no, one drawn series in England and the natural order of things is PAK > India . Bilal7 logic at its finest.

Pakistan(with Misbah and YK)were never better than India at any point except between 2011-2013 when Indian team was in transition. Only against England have PAK done better. We've dove better against 6 other common opponents home and away.