Pakistani cricket isolation - Do we deserve it?

[NJamal]

Many expat pakistanis are scared of going to visit pakistan. How can you expect anyone else to? Its like Choking Proteas says, there is a general belief in the world that the pakistani security forces are impotent and worthless. They cannot protect their own country forget visiting nations.

BS, No true Pakistani will feel fear going to visit Pakistan. I go to Pakistan regularly and to a place which is most affected by terrorism Peshawar. I feel no fear because life and death is in the hands of ALLAH. Regarding our security forces you can check with your own Army that they are impotent or potent.

 

[wasim-fan]

^Do you know this that some Pak. businessmen were shifting their investments from Pak. to India and elsewhere last year. If you wish I can post link.

 

[PakPrince]

^Do you know this that some Pak. businessmen were shifting their investments from Pak. to India and elsewhere last year. If you wish I can post link.

what source?
toi and some other indian source doesnt count btw

even if its true im pretty sure these are isolated incidents.
and it would be mostly for middle east then india

 

[wasim-fan]

^Yeah its a one off. I saw it one a Pakistani news telecast actually. I ll see if I can get it.

 

[PakPrince]

^Yeah its a one off. I saw it one a Pakistani news telecast actually. I ll see if I can get it.

dont go through the khwari lol..
not worth it

 

[khurramjamil]

Are you just an Afridi_Fan or actually Afridi, you guys think and talk alike.

Dear .. we talk alike because this is the reality ... it was the final nail in the coffin to isolate Pakistan cricket ... also it was not done by any religion or terrorist party .. till today no party admitted for the attacks (which they usually do, to show their might blah blah ) and all the Pakistanis know the fact regarding who was behind it ... Yes, we were not able to give the players full security that is true ... and personally i am happy that no team is coming to Pakistan because I don't want any disaster for Pakistan Cricket .... but that doesn't mean that we should be isolated ... instead we should be given more visits to other countries specially by our neighbors ... !~!~!

 

[khurramjamil]

Who ever was behind it, you failed to protect them. I am sure ISI must be planning to do an attack like that on teams in India all the time, but BCCI hasn't let that happened.

If ISI wants to attack cricketers ... believe me they can ... that is why it is counted as No. 1 in the world (http://www.smashinglists.com/10-best-intelligence-agencies-in-the-world/)

Also don't forget .. "We have large hearts" so we wont attack no cricketer of the world!! we love cricket ... its RAW which attacks cricketers to isolate their cricket!

 

[praveen]

I do agree the isolation is unfortunate, but it was something that could not have been avoided sadly.

But look at the glass half full rather.The team had a relatively good time last year. I've said this before, the cricketers are good, its the administration that needs the changes. Also in all reality, PCB needs to suck up to BCCI and other boards for its betterment, not much it can do on its own. Keep supporting them and be a puppet for sometime. I'm sure the move will reap benefits later. You gotta be flexible.

 

[praveen]

Double post

 

[khurramjamil]

Double post

Cool ... that is the idea and nothing more can be done .... i wish i cud go to the PCB office and kick Mr. Butt out myself...............!!!!

 

[praveen]

Cool ... that is the idea and nothing more can be done .... i wish i cud go to the PCB office and kick Mr. Butt out myself...............!!!!

Mr.Butt has been receiving criticism from all quarters, surely there must be some way to oust him. Why is something so basic, not happening?

 

[khurramjamil]

Mr.Butt has been receiving criticism from all quarters, surely there must be some way to oust him. Why is something so basic, not happening?

People in Pakistan are more modest and diffident than people from other parts of the world ... I'm sure if this happens with some other country ... ppl would have be out on the road protesting until the matter is solved .... same thing is happening with the govt. also ... everyone is not happy with the current govt. yet there is no unity in protesting against them ....

 

[ash 68]

People dont want to come to Pakistan because there is not enough money

day to day Pakistan is no more or less dangerous than South Africa, some parts of India, Sri Lanka, Egypt, Russia......

Look at the aussies who complain about security but are all over the IPL like a rash....

Money talks.... Mr 10 percent neeeds to start spending on the country rather than himself and family

Increasing PCB funds would start to break the cycle

 

[praveen]

People in Pakistan are more modest and diffident than people from other parts of the world ... I'm sure if this happens with some other country ... ppl would have be out on the road protesting until the matter is solved .... same thing is happening with the govt. also ... everyone is not happy with the current govt. yet there is no unity in protesting against them ....

Protesting against the government is one thing, but this is just a sports body. I guess its easier said than done, these bodies come directly under the government and its ultimately the same. Even here, our hockey and Olympic committee are not that good, but they still continue the power show. Opposition parties must play a major role if change is expected. Well, thats a topic for a different thread.

 

[praveen]

People dont want to come to Pakistan because there is not enough money

day to day Pakistan is no more or less dangerous than South Africa, some parts of India, Sri Lanka, Egypt, Russia......

Look at the aussies who complain about security but are all over the IPL like a rash....

Money talks.... Mr 10 percent neeeds to start spending on the country rather than himself and family

Increasing PCB funds would start to break the cycle

Well , IPL security standards if i read correctly are top notch. The stadium owners pay huge sums to the police department apparently. The incharge officials take up control three days before the event, sweep for bugs, divert routes, etc etc.. So there is a lot of precaution put in place, esp after the minor blast that happened last time. And after a incident free world cup, the players are little more confident.

You do put a good point however , money does talk. The boards should also see some commercial viability touring pakistan.

 

[Afridi_Fan]

Okay, it seems that we deserve this isolation according to some Indian posts. But then am I really surprised that Indians see it being a legit move to isolate Pakistan cricket?

 

[praveen]

Okay, it seems that we deserve this isolation according to some Indian posts. But then am I really surprised that Indians see it being a legit move to isolate Pakistan cricket?

What's surprising me is Afridi_Fan POTW 1 .
Okay sorry for the personal attacks, the posts in the thread are justified with reasons mate, get real and see the truth out there.

 

[Afridi_Fan]

I can really understand that Indians vindicating the move to isolate Pakistan Cricket, because that is what I expect from them. And as far as getting personal is concerned, trust me I like it when it is personal.

And the POTW 1, was way back. If that makes you angry should I take it off so that you can have your peace?

 

[praveen]

I can really understand that Indians vindicating the move to isolate Pakistan Cricket, because that is what I expect from them. And as far as getting personal is concerned, trust me I like it when it is personal.

And the POTW 1, was way back. If that makes you angry should I take it off so that you can have your peace?

nah that's okay i'm very much at peace already. May be you can put forth some points justifying your opinion instead of passing sermons.

 

[Liverpool_Faizan]

BS, No true Pakistani will feel fear going to visit Pakistan. I go to Pakistan regularly and to a place which is most affected by terrorism Peshawar. I feel no fear because life and death is in the hands of ALLAH. Regarding our security forces you can check with your own Army that they are impotent or potent.

im sorry mate. a lot of pakistanis are afraid of going into pakistan. its a sad truth.

my mom visits often and I fear for her. I lose sleep over it. I know Allah has written our death, but one can still fear.

i can totally get why no one wants to visit pakistan.

 

[jawad1]

We are playing for years RBS T20 in Pakistan and nothing happens.

 

[ash 68]

im sorry mate. a lot of pakistanis are afraid of going into pakistan. its a sad truth.

my mom visits often and I fear for her. I lose sleep over it. I know Allah has written our death, but one can still fear.

i can totally get why no one wants to visit pakistan.

disagree

most peolple I know have no fear of going

only problem is the rip-off prices.......

 

[Afridi_Fan]

im sorry mate. a lot of pakistanis are afraid of going into pakistan. its a sad truth.

my mom visits often and I fear for her. I lose sleep over it. I know Allah has written our death, but one can still fear.

i can totally get why no one wants to visit pakistan.

I live in Pakistan when I had the opportunities to go to abroad (UK and US), and I have no fears for my life in here.

 

[usman.sandhu]

To be honest I'm quickly giving up on Pakistan the country and soon I may even stop supporting the cricket team!

I've lived most of my life in the uk, my wife is not Pakistany and my children were born here. Despite this I have always supported Pakistan, through thick and thin. However I am now getting to the age where I feel I'm putting to much energy in supporting a team that is run by baffoons, played by some equally moronic characters and is littered with consipracies, back stabbing and spot (even match fixing) contraversies!!

However like a true supporter, I'll have my rant and then get right behind the team cum the Windies series! BUT the overwhelming feeling i have is that Pakistan is lucky to be playing international cricket and perhaps even a ban may be the answer!

'get your house in order and then re-enter the international cricketing coomunitu!'

I agree with you... I live in Dubai and inspite of everything I still support my team.. through fair and foul weather... But they keep embarrassing us again and again...

PCB has let us down... Our management cannot handle these issues and our cricketers have let us down... The spot fixing scandal is frankly very very embarrassing.. A part of me wants to believe that these guys were not involved... I can only hope that they are not... *sigh*

 

[IMMY69]

BS, No true Pakistani will feel fear going to visit Pakistan. I go to Pakistan regularly and to a place which is most affected by terrorism Peshawar. I feel no fear because life and death is in the hands of ALLAH. Regarding our security forces you can check with your own Army that they are impotent or potent.

Do you take your two children with you? And do you allow them to play on the streets with other kids?

 

[Afridi_Fan]

Do you take your two children with you? And do you allow them to play on the streets with other kids?

My two kids live in Pakistan and they go to schools in Pakistan. And they play with kids in Pakistani streets. And as I mentioned earlier that I had (still have) chances to go and get settled in abroad and my ex with whom my kids are just denied a scholarship which would have taken her alongside the family to Canada. But tell you what there are some people in this country who love this country to the limits and then beyond that. And its due to those people this country will continue to survive.

 

[philhunter]

Problem is ICC.

Even when Pakistan does play a series in another country, the ICC and the host country only give Pakistan 2 tests and maybe 3 one days. While other countries are given up to 5 tests and 7 one days. And this has been happening for far longer than the Sri Lanka attack, or IPL exclusion.

Even though the ICC has a responsibility to make sure its members are not excluded on the basis of race or politics, I do not really care for IPL. And even the losing the ability to host cricket at home isn't a huge deal.

What is a huge deal is, that the ICC makes no effort to ensure the test playing nations play an equal amount of cricket. If they wanted, Pakistan could easily be playing twice as much cricket as they do.

There is no reason Pakistan should not play as much cricket as the other countries, even if its not in Pakistan. But its not just Pakistan. India by FAR get to play the most cricket. No other international sport works in such a dysfunctional and discrimnatory manner.

The ICC is easily the worst, most disgraceful sporting organisation there is. Theres a reason that cricket is on the decline globally, with only the Subcontinent being interested in it anymore.

Some people here either are incapable of understanding the reality of situation or don't want to do it.


What exactly ICC needs to do here , they have FTP in place and in that FTP every nation has its schedule home and away and with home matches ruled out with team not willing to visit Pakistan.

How is that ICC fault and have PCB come out and said we no longer are playing at home for foreseeable future so we will make UAE as home base when they did it SA toured and fulfilled their FTP obligation but PCB does not want to do that because it costs them more to organize matches and returns are not great.

England offered to host but we all know what happened to that do you think it is ICC or BCCI's fault.

It is easy to sit behind desk and say well why are not teams not coming to Pakistan but when attacks like in Lahore happen no team is willing to risk their players lives for sake of playing in Pakistan can you blame them .Whose fault is that.

Most of here is blame BCCI for not supporting PCB it did support when relations were good but now they are not and BCCI is not dependent on PCB but PCB is dependent on BCCI who fault is that.

Why is it ICC's job to provide financially for PCB, has PCB taken any actions to improve its position and all ICC can do is support Pakistan cricket morally and it is doing it by asking its other members to play with Pakistan team in venues other than Pakistan.
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When will Pakistan stop playing this victim card and not blame everything on somebody else and start owning its responsibility.


When will people here start understanding their is huge difference between India and Pakistan.India is emerging nation with unlimited commerce growth and Pakistan is stuck in a quagmire.BCCI is wealthy due to India's growth and PCB is reflection of Pakistan mess.

 

[NJamal]

Do you take your two children with you? And do you allow them to play on the streets with other kids?

My only Son is living in PESHAWAR yes Peshawar the most dangerous place in the world according to your views. Got It.

 

[ash 68]

Some people here either are incapable of understanding the reality of situation or don't want to do it.


What exactly ICC needs to do here , they have FTP in place and in that FTP every nation has its schedule home and away and with home matches ruled out with team not willing to visit Pakistan.

How is that ICC fault and have PCB come out and said we no longer are playing at home for foreseeable future so we will make UAE as home base when they did it SA toured and fulfilled their FTP obligation but PCB does not want to do that because it costs them more to organize matches and returns are not great.

England offered to host but we all know what happened to that do you think it is ICC or BCCI's fault.

It is easy to sit behind desk and say well why are not teams not coming to Pakistan but when attacks like in Lahore happen no team is willing to risk their players lives for sake of playing in Pakistan can you blame them .Whose fault is that.

Most of here is blame BCCI for not supporting PCB it did support when relations were good but now they are not and BCCI is not dependent on PCB but PCB is dependent on BCCI who fault is that.

Why is it ICC's job to provide financially for PCB, has PCB taken any actions to improve its position and all ICC can do is support Pakistan cricket morally and it is doing it by asking its other members to play with Pakistan team in venues other than Pakistan.
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When will Pakistan stop playing this victim card and not blame everything on somebody else and start owning its responsibility.


When will people here start understanding their is huge difference between India and Pakistan.India is emerging nation with unlimited commerce growth and Pakistan is stuck in a quagmire.BCCI is wealthy due to India's growth and PCB is reflection of Pakistan mess.

Its not a victim mentality

on the contrary Pak people are mentally very strong and get on with their lives

citing lahore bombings is incorrect, India Sri Lanka, UK, US to name a few have had and continue to have bombs in hotels/ buses/trains

 

[Afridi_Fan]

My only Son is living in PESHAWAR yes Peshawar the most dangerous place in the world according to your views. Got It.

Leave him alone I guess. He won't understand.

 

[philhunter]

Its not a victim mentality

on the contrary Pak people are mentally very strong and get on with their lives

citing lahore bombings is incorrect, India Sri Lanka, UK, US to name a few have had and continue to have bombs in hotels/ buses/trains

what exactly are you trying to say by others have bombs in hotels.

That is happening everywhere which is very unfortunate but attack on any sports team never happened in recent past that is major difference.

 

[ash 68]

what exactly are you trying to say by others have bombs in hotels.

That is happening everywhere which is very unfortunate but attack on any sports team never happened in recent past that is major difference.

most teams stopped touring before the bomb attack on the bus

my point is people have to calculate risk vs reward

Playing in Pakistan is high risk and not much reward - purely a money thing

if Pak government offered the kind of money banded around in India youd see a different scenario and a "moral attitude" to justify it

 

[philhunter]

most teams stopped touring before the bomb attack on the bus

my point is people have to calculate risk vs reward

Playing in Pakistan is high risk and not much reward - purely a money thing

if Pak government offered the kind of money banded around in India youd see a different scenario and a "moral attitude" to justify it

what you said is true but is it BCCI's fault that they have more resources than PCB.


You are also missing one big point on why is BCCI having more wealth than PCB .

 

[IMMY69]

My two kids live in Pakistan and they go to schools in Pakistan. And they play with kids in Pakistani streets. And as I mentioned earlier that I had (still have) chances to go and get settled in abroad and my ex with whom my kids are just denied a scholarship which would have taken her alongside the family to Canada. But tell you what there are some people in this country who love this country to the limits and then beyond that. And its due to those people this country will continue to survive.

Well each and every single memeber of my family in Karachi has had their homes ransacked, held at gunpoint and a few cousins have even been held at gunpoint in their cars and told drive to places where they can then drive off in their cars. The worst has been a cousin who was kidnapped for 4 weeks.

Do I really want to take my kids to a place like this?

Last time I took them my heart was in my mouth whenever they were out of my sight. I'm a person who used to vist Pakistan on a yearly basis throughout the 80's and some of the 90's but its a completely different story for me now. If I feel like this then how do you expect the foriegners to feel?

 

[anand99]

BS, No true Pakistani will feel fear going to visit Pakistan. I go to Pakistan regularly and to a place which is most affected by terrorism Peshawar. I feel no fear because life and death is in the hands of ALLAH. Regarding our security forces you can check with your own Army that they are impotent or potent.

Sorry, if I hurt your feelings. I was just stating the facts. Go check the time pass section on this forum for posts about people concerned about going to visit pakistan. I have many pakistani accquaintances in the US over the last 20 years, and many of them express concern about going to visit. Its a sad state of affairs and I sympathize with them. I would never want to be in that position when visiting home.

 

[anand99]

Leave him alone I guess. He won't understand.

Frankly, you live in Pakistan, and cannot relate to the the experiences and concerns of Pakistanis living abroad. That is not to say you are right and they are wrong or vice versa. It's just the way things are.

 

[Maula Jutt]

I wonder when our nation is going to grow some balls.

 

[SameerP]

It's unfair on the Pakistani public but some people deserve it

 

[SameerP]

And there is security concerns for international players playing in Pakistan after what happened to Sri lankan team, You can blame RAW, Mossad, BCCI and ICC and claim they were behind it but fact is that it happened in Pakistan. You cant just blame other people for everything that happens

 

[Garuda]

I am afraid, if a similar attack happens on any team in India, a majority of countries would also stop visiting India.

Risk to life will always be valuable than money. India is not as safe as US/UK nor is as volatile as Pakistan/AF. So teams/players coming as per their risk appetite.

After that minor incident in last IPL, some NZ/AUS players had their concerns and I think some atheletes pulled themselves out of CWG too.

 

[wasi90lk]

i think pakistan deserve it after that lahore terrorist attack.

but asian teams can still tour the country probably. after all, asian (south) countries are used to with this kind of attack.

 

[PakPrince]

No true Pakistani will ever be fearful of coming to Pakistan!

as for the topic,
even if RAW or Indians were behinf this it still does not change the fact that the attack happened and that pak givt and pcb were responsible for not letting this happen

 

[khurramjamil]

Somebody living in abroad for 10 year or so will definitely fear coming to Pak .. because the media is exaggerating the events happening over there ... I live in Dubai and i go to Karachi every 2nd month ... even thought there are security issues in some areas .. but rest is fine ... agree with PakPrince ... no true Pakistani will ever fear going back to his country unless his family asks him not to come ... my family is happily living there and always asking us to come and visit them ...

 

[anand99]

i think pakistan deserve it after that lahore terrorist attack.

Nobody deserves this, especially not the generation of kids growing up in Pakistan. I hope that sooner rather than later the situation in Pakistan stabilizes. The world is better off with a stable and peaceful Pakistan than one that is teetering on the brink of disaster.

but asian teams can still tour the country probably. after all, asian (south) countries are used to with this kind of attack.

How can anyone get used to their life being threatened?

 

[Poison]

im sorry mate. a lot of pakistanis are afraid of going into pakistan. its a sad truth.

my mom visits often and I fear for her. I lose sleep over it. I know Allah has written our death, but one can still fear.

i can totally get why no one wants to visit pakistan.

You need to relax Faizan, when's the last time you went to Pakistan. Nothing changes in Pakistan. Life goes on.

 

[1137moiz]

I love visiting Pakistan. I go every year as often as possible. The gripes and worries of everyday life are part of the charm and not just restricted to the country's borders.

That said I know dozens of people not willing to go back and I can understand that despite disagreeing. I think UAE is the best alternative venue for matches

 

[Moh@n]

i think pakistan deserve it after that lahore terrorist attack.

but asian teams can still tour the country probably. after all, asian (south) countries are used to with this kind of attack.

What on earth are you trying to say? The life of Asians is of a lesser value compared to those from the rest of the world?

 

[Fireworks11]

^ Lol. Trying to make the point that Asians would not find it as a shock, compared to the others.

 

[IMMY69]

People seem to be missing the point...If I'm scared, and I was born in Pakistan, then how would foreign players feel about touring? Especially bearing in mind the the Sheraton Bombing in karachi (where Kiwis were staying) and ofcourse the Lahore shooting?????

 

[Fireworks11]

^

True. It will take a solid amount of time before a cricket team lands on Pakistani shores with the intention of playing a Series.

 

[K for Cricket]

'Terrorism' is not the only reason for our isolation. Never has been and never will be, other boards and their fans are just too insecure to come out and say what they're really thinking.

Even though the SL event was terrible, something that kills Pak Cricket much more than anything is the factions and ironically the PCB. These 2 things have made the Team and management look like a complete joke. I wish it could stop but won't anytime soon. The number of captains Pak has had in the last 6 years is crazy.

The worst tragedy of all this is that young Pak fans don't have any idols in their team to look upto. No more Imrans, Wasims, Inzis etc anymore.

 

[DOOSRA95]

Pakistan is a troubled nation and it's cricketers are talented but mostly tarnished.

Mostly with Pakistan fans its a SAZISH which is utter BS.

All is Self inflicted that's comeing from a die hard pak cricket fan.

Player and Board is most crooked on Planet cricket.

 

[Savak]

We are now in 2017.

The situation is far from any better. Our players are still excluded from the IPL. No international cricket in Pakistan.

The likes of Afghanistan and Bangladesh now have the balls to humiliate and diss the PCB in public which they would never dare to do against the BCCI in any circumstances.

Just saw the Official ICC dinner Video where the likes of Kohli, ABD, Ian Morgan and heck even someone like Mashrafe Murtaza wearing suits were speaking and joking, Sarfaraz was not even deemed worthy of inviting.

 

[Coconut]

The likes of Afghanistan and Bangladesh now have the balls to humiliate and diss the PCB in public which they would never dare to do against the BCCI in any circumstances.

Don't really care about the rest of ur post. But this particular part of ur post is so ridiculous that I don't even know how should I actually respond to this.

BCB refused to send Bangladesh team to tour Pakistan due to security concerns, not to show off their power or to humiliate Pakistan. But, according to u a particular board which is showing its concern about their players security is actually showing off its balls. Thx for the comedy, haven't seen such delusional post in years.

 

[Markhor]

Its up to us to professionalise our structure so that we aren't reliant on the IPL and can produce quality talent despite a lack of home internationals. South Africa spent decades without international cricket during Apartheid but they had a strong school and domestic cricket system that still enabled them to produce world class talent which made their transition post-readmission easier.

Meanwhile our players play with substandard balls, on substandard pitches, in crumbling stadia whilst fitness and fitness standards are way below the rest of the world. Hell, even our umpires are substandard. Is that an Indian or BCCI conspiracy ? No, these are basics that we can address ourselves.

The days of relying solely on mercurial individual talent is over - ask the West Indies and Sri Lanka who once they lost their golden generation were unable to sustain their success. Sport in general has become more professionalised and success is derived from not just what you're doing on the field but off the field.

Look at Bangladesh's rise. The BCB have invested in their grassroots, junior teams, domestic system and in coaching, and are reaping the rewards. New Zealand have a fraction of the population of both Bangladesh and Pakistan, one-eighth the number of cricketers as England, arguably in the shadow of another sport in rugby, yet consistently overachieve because they've maximised the resources they've got and have competent administrators.

 

[Savak]

Don't really care about the rest of ur post. But this particular part of ur post is so ridiculous that I don't even know how should I actually respond to this.

BCB refused to send Bangladesh team to tour Pakistan due to security concerns, not to show off their power or to humiliate Pakistan. But, according to u a particular board which is showing its concern about their players security is actually showing off its balls. Thx for the comedy, haven't seen such delusional post in years.

Nah, no security concerns, if the Bangladeshi consulate, ambassador and other high level officials can come and visit and live in Pakistan scott free, if many Bangladeshi's can come to Pakistan for employment then there will be no problem faced by the Bangladeshi team. Just excuses.

 

[MMHS]

Nah, no security concerns, if the Bangladeshi consulate, ambassador and other high level officials can come and visit and live in Pakistan scott free, if many Bangladeshi's can come to Pakistan for employment then there will be no problem faced by the Bangladeshi team. Just excuses.

That's true for Australia & England as well - not to mention New Zeland, but why don't they tour? Until this victim mentality changes, things won't improve - teams are not touring for a reason that PAK & PCB is responsible for. Blaming other boards won't help much. Your current Chairman is another 1st class .... isolated themselves from one more country.

 

[Coconut]

Nah, no security concerns, if the Bangladeshi consulate, ambassador and other high level officials can come and visit and live in Pakistan scott free, if many Bangladeshi's can come to Pakistan for employment then there will be no problem faced by the Bangladeshi team. Just excuses.

If u really wanna debate about cricket on a serious cricket forum like PP then pls COME up with more solid arguments from next time.

Bangladeshi consulates, ambassadors or high officials r visiting/staying in Pakistan because they r not the prime targets of any TERRORIST ORGANIZATION and the possibility of a bangladeshi high official getting targeted by a terrorist group is competitively less than the possibility of a national cricket team getting targeted by a terrorist group.


Whether a particular country is safe or not for a major sporting event isn't decided based on personal whim. Authorized security professionals decide which country is safe to visit and which isn't. Pakistan can't even hold its own t20 leagues on its soil due to security threats and here a particular poster is expecting a foreign board to send it's national team for a full fledged tour. Lol.

 

[Coconut]

*comparatively

 

[Mainul]

PCB has become more isolated and they deserve it after they have tried to blackmailing BCB to tour Pakistan.And they have cancelled an established "going to happen" tour to Bangladesh! They will suffer more if they don't put off their silly egoistic and arrogant clothes.

 

[princeuk]

Pakistan don't deserve the isolation, I can understand countries not wanting to tour yet cos of the situation in pakistan and that's fine but with even a minow now in Afghanistan cancelling their t20's even though pakistan were willing to travel to war torn kabul shows how further it has been isolated at the behest of another more powerful board. It's a sad state of affairs and hope pakistan can overcome it sometime in our generation.

Too much politics particularly by the Asian bloc is ruining cricket.

 

[ExpressPacer]

Pakistan certainly don't deserve this isolation. Frankly, I don't even blame Pakistan for refusing to play in Bangladesh. It was inevitable, like any other outburst. I can be the biggest critic of Pakistan's (or PCB's) policy's however, we haven't put a foot wrong here. No matter how grim the situation has been in the past decade or so, Pakistan has avoided indulging art, sport and media with politics. They simply do NOT go together and I'm proud of that. You know it and I know it, everyone knows it! How long will they not play with us? 10 years? 50, 100 at most? Eventually, the future generations will remember the PCB (or Pakistan in general) for having played the wise card in this situation.

I've stopped being concerned over this because in all honesty, whether my Indian friends like to admit it or not, everyone knows that India is behind this facade in trying to isolate Pakistan cricket and Pakistan in general but I certainly don't see where they're going with this because getting the sport of minnow cricketing nations like Bangladesh and Afghanistan doesn't really make me afraid as a fan of Pakistan cricket.

 

[Zak_Fan]

Pakistan certainly don't deserve this isolation. Frankly, I don't even blame Pakistan for refusing to play in Bangladesh. It was inevitable, like any other outburst. I can be the biggest critic of Pakistan's (or PCB's) policy's however, we haven't put a foot wrong here. No matter how grim the situation has been in the past decade or so, Pakistan has avoided indulging art, sport and media with politics. They simply do NOT go together and I'm proud of that. You know it and I know it, everyone knows it! How long will they not play with us? 10 years? 50, 100 at most? Eventually, the future generations will remember the PCB (or Pakistan in general) for having played the wise card in this situation.

Actually, Pakistan have indulged a lot of things with politics, but Cricket is not the right forum to discuss that. ACB's press conference today should give you a hint.

As for whether or not PCB deserves isolation, I am of the opinion that isolation has been well earned. For years now, PCB has done nothing but make enemies. First they blackmailed BCCI regarding Pakistani player participation in IPL (thinking IPL won't survive without them). Then in 2011, they tried to take the WC away from rest of the Asian countries, just because Pakistan wasn't safe enough to host it. And then there are usual statements from PCB officials accusing others of fixing/conspiracy, accusing India of destroying their Cricket, chest-thumping on "hurting" IPL etc etc.

Even currently, PCB is busy blackmailing Bangladesh to tour a dangerous country. If these backstabbing jokers don't deserve isolation, then who else does?

 

[ExpressPacer]

Actually, Pakistan have indulged a lot of things with politics, but Cricket is not the right forum to discuss that. ACB's press conference today should give you a hint.

As for whether or not PCB deserves isolation, I am of the opinion that isolation has been well earned. For years now, PCB has done nothing but make enemies. First they blackmailed BCCI regarding Pakistani player participation in IPL (thinking IPL won't survive without them). Then in 2011, they tried to take the WC away from rest of the Asian countries, just because Pakistan wasn't safe enough to host it. And then there are usual statements from PCB officials accusing others of fixing/conspiracy, accusing India of destroying their Cricket, chest-thumping on "hurting" IPL etc etc.

Even currently, PCB is busy blackmailing Bangladesh to tour a dangerous country. If these backstabbing jokers don't deserve isolation, then who else does?

Dangerous country? They've been promised Presidential level security, the same as that Modi got when he visited Pakistan.. Keep feeding your delusions buddy. I'm actually glad Pakistan did that. Enough of us playing the nice guy.

 

[MenInG]

We are now in 2017.

The situation is far from any better. Our players are still excluded from the IPL. No international cricket in Pakistan.

The likes of Afghanistan and Bangladesh now have the balls to humiliate and diss the PCB in public which they would never dare to do against the BCCI in any circumstances.

Just saw the Official ICC dinner Video where the likes of Kohli, ABD, Ian Morgan and heck even someone like Mashrafe Murtaza wearing suits were speaking and joking, Sarfaraz was not even deemed worthy of inviting.

He was in a different city.

 

[Zak_Fan]

Dangerous country? They've been promised Presidential level security, the same as that Modi got when he visited Pakistan.. Keep feeding your delusions buddy. I'm actually glad Pakistan did that. Enough of us playing the nice guy.

So, you must hold grudge against all Cricket nations, not just Bangladesh, right? Should Pakistan refuse to play others too?

 

[LastManstanding]

Dangerous country? They've been promised Presidential level security, the same as that Modi got when he visited Pakistan.. Keep feeding your delusions buddy. I'm actually glad Pakistan did that. Enough of us playing the nice guy.

So were other teams. I don't see PCB trying to strong arm them into touring Pakistan nor the ire of Pakistani fans is directed at those countries. Why single out Bangladesh?

 

[Zak_Fan]

So were other teams. I don't see PCB trying to strong arm them into touring Pakistan nor the ire of Pakistani fans is directed at those countries. Why single out Bangladesh?

He won't even answer this because it exposes hypocrisy that everyone but Pakistani fans can see. Apparently, PCB do nothing wrong, it is always BCCI $$$ leading to Pakistan's isolation.

 

[ExpressPacer]

So, you must hold grudge against all Cricket nations, not just Bangladesh, right? Should Pakistan refuse to play others too?

I hold a grudge against Bangladesh because they signed an AGREEMENT to tour Pakistan for a couple of T20is, nothing more if Pakistan toured BD first for a full length ODI, T20i and Test series. Hypocrites. But what can you I expect from Indian posters like you when BCCI itself turned faces after signing agreements.

 

[Zak_Fan]

I hold a grudge against Bangladesh because they signed an AGREEMENT to tour Pakistan for a couple of T20is, nothing more if Pakistan toured BD first for a full length ODI, T20i and Test series. Hypocrites. But what can you I expect from Indian posters like you when BCCI itself turned faces after signing agreements.

All this will sound like nonsense unless you show us the agreement and the conditions it was subject to. Bangladesh did you a favor by agreeing to tour, and it wasn't their fault that security situation worsened to a point where the tour wasn't possible.

You are inviting other countries for Cricket, not a suicide mission. So stop blaming others when the real failure lies in your own security situation.

 

[Zak_Fan]

I hold a grudge against Bangladesh because they signed an AGREEMENT to tour Pakistan for a couple of T20is, nothing more if Pakistan toured BD first for a full length ODI, T20i and Test series. Hypocrites. But what can you I expect from Indian posters like you when BCCI itself turned faces after signing agreements.

Btw, in case any agreement was broken, take the matter to the court and get compensated. Why are PCB not doing that? Could it be because you don't even have a case? I think so.

 

[ExpressPacer]

All this will sound like nonsense unless you show us the agreement and the conditions it was subject to. Bangladesh did you a favor by agreeing to tour, and it wasn't their fault that security situation worsened to a point where the tour wasn't possible.

You are inviting other countries for Cricket, not a suicide mission. So stop blaming others when the real failure lies in your own security situation.

You're the only one who sounds like he's spitting out nonsense, frankly. It was accepted by the BCB that there was a contract signed so, either you get your facts straight or stop quoting me in your posts of inadequate knowledge.

As for the situation having gotten worse in Pakistan, like I said before, they were promised presidential level security for a tour that was supposed to be less than a week. Any-who, they have the right to deny to tour, even if that means being a hypocrite and going against a written agreement. However, similarly, Bangladesh isn't exactly Utopia with terrorism growing by the minute, so i don't understand your criticism of Pakistan refusing to tour BD?

 

[ExpressPacer]

Btw, in case any agreement was broken, take the matter to the court and get compensated. Why are PCB not doing that? Could it be because you don't even have a case? I think so.

Again with your inadequate knowledge. Please do some research before you post, or at least before quoting me in your illogical posts. They ARE taking them to court and no, I'm not gonna find the link for you. Look it up yourself.

 

[LastManstanding]

He won't even answer this because it exposes hypocrisy that everyone but Pakistani fans can see. Apparently, PCB do nothing wrong, it is always BCCI $$$ leading to Pakistan's isolation.

It would be worth considering appointing bcci office bearers into ministry of external affairs. Our foreign policy could do with such astute and cunning officials who can easily influence other countries. Our enemies won't know what hit them.

 

[Zak_Fan]

Again with your inadequate knowledge. Please do some research before you post, or at least before quoting me in your illogical posts. They ARE taking them to court and no, I'm not gonna find the link for you. Look it up yourself.

Great, that means PCB will soon get some money !! Good luck.

 

[ExpressPacer]

Great, that means PCB will soon get some money !! Good luck.

Thank you??

 

[Zak_Fan]

It would be worth considering appointing bcci office bearers into ministry of external affairs. Our foreign policy could do with such astute and cunning officials who can easily influence other countries. Our enemies won't know what hit them.

Let's not be so quick to praise BCCI guys. Apparently, we along with other boards are being dragged to the court where Pakistan will present some sort of agreement and likely win the case.

 

[Mamoon]

Yes we do.

In the last decade, we have given cricket nothing but fixers, chuckers and terrorists. The ICC and the other nations simply don't owe us anything. Having said that, the onus is on us to end this isolation, since teams will never tour Pakistan if we leave it to them.

They are not missing out on anything by not playing in Pakistan. We need to continuously work on bringing cricket back to Pakistan. Step by step, with the right plan, it will eventually happen.

 

[ExplicitAI]

Don't really get the pleasure of isolating Pakistan for your own satisfaction you know, I think it's all stupid considering you're not going to get anything out of it. Pak cricket isn't going to die anytime soon and it never will considering we have a rich history and we contributed a lot more than Bangladesh and Afghanistan have. Personally think the politics need to go since we do not need anyone's ego mixed into the sport and the main thing we should do is to sort out the "dangerous label" our country currently has so we can get tours going ahead. At the moment we're doing pretty well with the PSL which for me is the 3rd best T20 league in the world and it's only getting better and better.

For some reason I do see cricket coming back to Pak but I really don't know when considering the Zim tour and the PSL 2 final was a success, but then again we just need to focus on reviving cricket in our country. There's no chance of Afghanistan or Bangladesh successfully "replacing", "cleansing" or "wiping out" Pakistan from cricket so no fan should even think about that because it's only going to happen in your dreams.

 

[MMHS]

I hold a grudge against Bangladesh because they signed an AGREEMENT to tour Pakistan for a couple of T20is, nothing more if Pakistan toured BD first for a full length ODI, T20i and Test series. Hypocrites. But what can you I expect from Indian posters like you when BCCI itself turned faces after signing agreements.

Again agreement. If it's signed, why doesn't PCB goes to Court - BCB's father will compensate PCB in that case.

I am astonished with the nativity of some PAK posters here. Buddy, your board is run by the most corrupt, incompetent people, who won't get an managerial position even in BCB on cricket administration merit.

Some PAK posters enjoys a mental satisfied by portraying BCB as BCCI bunny - but the irony is that, when it mattered BCB indeed stood ground on own interest & voted against BCCI; whereas your Board Chairman & Consultant (Don't know Sethi's position title in PCB) is barking on BCCI that, they sold their vote for Big Three formation, in exchange of some Indian tours.

These guys are not even good at signing a document properly. Regarding the promise "Presidential Security" - another irony is that, today PAK stands on this quick sand, because of goofing up their last promise. PCB isn't able to host their own private league in PAK & they expect other countries to tour PAK for a full series.

Wake - up - instead of winning an argument in a blog, try to raise voice where it matters. Today's Oval stands should give PAK people enough clue of PCB's bluff on financial feasibility of hosting BD in a neutral venue. BCB is run by professionals - if it's not in PCB's length, allow BCB to take charge of a bilateral series, form where PCB can draw their share - basically they are good at only that; otherwise you don't need to be a Marketing genius to extract money from a trillion dollar economy, selling the most sought after entertainment commodity in 200 mn population.

It's befitting that these people are now trolled by even Afghan board - before it goes down to Uganda/Kenya board, I hope common sense prevails over jingoism in PP.