Pakistanis who can only find faults with their nation and don't have anything positive to say

[KingKhanWC]

There seems to be certain Pakistanis' who only criticise/hate on their nation but hardly ever say anything postive.

Some examples.

PSL is poor, IPL is best. Sure IPL has more stars but a Pakistani should be proud of the PSL. It's a very good standard and we fans get to see more Pakistani cricket. A lot of hard work has been done to make this league successful and to help return cricket to Pakistan.

CPEC - Its a robbery by China etc. Pakistani can criticise certain elements but surely they should be happy and give praise for such a huge development in the country which will bring jobs etc.

Army are all corrupt, ruined the nation etc. Sure the army isn't perfect and has made small & big mistakes but the army consists mainly of soldiers who have layed down their lives to protect the people of the land.

Religion, Pakistan should be secular. Sure there are extremists but this exists in every society. The majority of Pakistani's are Muslims, they want Pakistan to be a Muslim nation and they are happy with laws which are based on morals related to their religion. Criticise but to always look down on the Islam in Pakistan is just hate.

Kashmir - Some beilieve IOK Kashmiri's are not their problem. Sure but where is the humanity of such Pakistanis who cant criticise the crimes of the Indian state.


I dont understand where this mentailty comes from? Do they wish they were born as some other nationality?

 

[Slog]

They are waiting for British Pakistanis who are the most patriotic Pakistanis on the Internet and social media to actually come to the country and save the day I guess.

Too bad that most of the BritPakistanis who could teach actual Pakistanis how to be patriotic and love Pakistan are all talk and instead prefer to live in council housing and sponge off benefits in the UK

So it's a circle and the mentality doesn't change because the patriotic spirit and verve only lives on the Internet and never reaches the land

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

We Brit Pakistanis are too much the other way, we look for stuff which makes Pakistan look good to confirm our own bias, which means of course we have.....confirmation bias.

Heh heh, didn't take long to get that in there. 1-0 to the Captain.

 

[Syed1]

They are waiting for British Pakistanis who are the most patriotic Pakistanis on the Internet and social media to actually come to the country and save the day I guess.

Too bad that most of the BritPakistanis who could teach actual Pakistanis how to be patriotic and love Pakistan are all talk and instead prefer to live in council housing and sponge off benefits in the UK

So it's a circle and the mentality doesn't change because the patriotic spirit and verve only lives on the Internet and never reaches the land

Playing on the front foot from ball one

 

[KingKhanWC]

They are waiting for British Pakistanis who are the most patriotic Pakistanis on the Internet and social media to actually come to the country and save the day I guess.

Too bad that most of the BritPakistanis who could teach actual Pakistanis how to be patriotic and love Pakistan are all talk and instead prefer to live in council housing and sponge off benefits in the UK

So it's a circle and the mentality doesn't change because the patriotic spirit and verve only lives on the Internet and never reaches the land

If it wasn't for British born Pakistanis the country would be in further mess. Pakistani's who have been born abroad still send a lot of money back to the country and many are dual nationals like myself. So I dont understand why you bring this up. Also they seem to be more loyal than some Pakistani's who havent left the country.

 

[WC-Passion]

They are waiting for British Pakistanis who are the most patriotic Pakistanis on the Internet and social media to actually come to the country and save the day I guess.

Too bad that most of the BritPakistanis who could teach actual Pakistanis how to be patriotic and love Pakistan are all talk and instead prefer to live in council housing and sponge off benefits in the UK

So it's a circle and the mentality doesn't change because the patriotic spirit and verve only lives on the Internet and never reaches the land

Yes because all British Pakistanis live off benefits and have nothing better to do.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Excellent thread.

I don't hide my hatred for such people as we suffer from the same kind.

Those Indians who say Pakistani mangoes are superior to Indian ones.

Who praise Pakistani food and call our rich cuisine ghaas phus..and call our veg biryani as pulao.

Who praise their ghazal singers and look down upon our own classical singers.

Who don't treat us with respect, but the moment they meet a pakistani, they are like hey Umar bhai, hey Saadi bhai..

Who say dont waste water during Holi and don't burst crackers during Diwali, but are wishing Eid to their pakistani masters.

I can go on..but don't want to raise my blood pressure.

These people are beghairat...simple as, and I would respect a ghairatmund enemy over a beghairat shameless turncoat quisling mir jafar any day. Shame on them..

 

[KingKhanWC]

Excellent thread.

I don't hide my hatred for such people as we suffer from the same kind.

Those Indians who say Pakistani mangoes are superior to Indian ones.

Who praise Pakistani food and call our rich cuisine ghaas phus..and call our veg biryani as pulao.

Who praise their ghazal singers and look down upon our own classical singers.

Who don't treat us with respect, but the moment they meet a pakistani, they are like hey Umar bhai, hey Saadi bhai..

Who say dont waste water during Holi and don't burst crackers during Diwali, but are wishing Eid to their pakistani masters.

I can go on..but don't want to raise my blood pressure.

These people are beghairat...simple as, and I would respect a ghairatmund enemy over a beghairat shameless turncoat quisling mir jafar any day. Shame on them..

Indians are the oppoiste generally, they very rarely criticise their nation. This is also not good but at least they have a mentality of defending their nation , instead of blind hating on it.

Im guessing a lof of these Pakistani's are so called 'burger' children. They went to an English school, their family have a Toyota Corolla, they know the odd politician or police officer and this seems to make them believe they are better than other Pakistani's and are more intelligent but imo they look like self haters, fools.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Indians are the oppoiste generally, they very rarely criticise their nation. This is also not good but at least they have a mentality of defending their nation , instead of blind hating on it.

Im guessing a lof of these Pakistani's are so called 'burger' children. They went to an English school, their family have a Toyota Corolla, they know the odd politician or police officer and this seems to make them believe they are better than other Pakistani's and are more intelligent but imo they look like self haters, fools.

You will find them defending their government and their (so called) secularism and how minorities and happy in india. but even those don't stand for the right of hindus..and play down genocide of hindus.

You are right, these are burger bachchas..convent educated. They flush 5 liters of water after micturating 500 ml of urine, and give us lecture on conserving water.

As a Pakistani, you are my enemy, but I can empathise with the insider threats we both have, the moths who are attacking our religion, culture and nation from inside.

 

[cricketworm]

May be those Pakistanis who criticizes want best for the country and demanding higher quality and efficiency from everything they have to experience in daily life.

Especially once they are out in the country they see, and think, why can't my country be like this? What change can we make?

 

[KingKhanWC]

May be those Pakistanis who criticizes want best for the country and demanding higher quality and efficiency from everything they have to experience in daily life.

Especially once they are out in the country they see, and think, why can't my country be like this? What change can we make?

Fair criticism is a great thing, every citizen has the right to criticise the way his/her nation is being run but what I have seen on this forum some like to blind hate just to make themselves feel they are superiour. I dont know if this is arrogance or they are just plain stupid.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

May be those Pakistanis who criticizes want best for the country and demanding higher quality and efficiency from everything they have to experience in daily life.

Especially once they are out in the country they see, and think, why can't my country be like this? What change can we make?

I'd bet a lot of the improvements in Pakistan have been driven by British Pakistanis as it happens for probably those reasons that you mention. I can't speak for Pakistanis residing in other countries though, no idea whether they think the country is worth a jot, never mind investing hard earned money.

 

[cricketworm]

Fair criticism is a great thing, every citizen has the right to criticise the way his/her nation is being run but what I have seen on this forum some like to blind hate just to make themselves feel they are superiour. I dont know if this is arrogance or they are just plain stupid.

I think it happens with the most countrymen. I have seen people behave differently once they move to different country. They just loath India and suddenly find all the negative things about country. But once the time goes on, once they start realizing how cheap is to get quality 'masalas and spices' from back home, they don't hesitate to buy from India.

You see people 'desh bhakti' and will to sacrifice for the country is the strongest once they are away from the country. And nationalism for country especially when you are away from country is just for the internet, barely make any difference to origin country. Unless you are a big investor for your country on a daily bases and pay full tax to government for your investment.

 

[cricketworm]

I'd bet a lot of the improvements in Pakistan have been driven by British Pakistanis as it happens for probably those reasons that you mention. I can't speak for Pakistanis residing in other countries though, no idea whether they think the country is worth a jot, never mind investing hard earned money.

I would give them benefit of doubt.

Most Pakistanis friends I meet in north america criticize the government, all seek for stability in Pakistan. Many have small to big business and almost all have some kind of small to big investment in Pakistan.

Yes, putting money to reconstruct their old home is an investment. Most traditional cloths women buy are made in Pakistan. Lab coat I am wearing is made in Pakistan. So, eventually the mind and the soul is in Pakistan, but they don't wear nationalist green tinged goggles that many britpakistani wears.

It's pointless to wear those goggles. Gives you hit on internet, doesn't contribute much for the betterment for the country. Or probably contribute the same as other non brit pakistanis.

 

[USHK]

Precisely why Pakistan cannot be biased at all. Unlike the neighbor, Pakistan keeps itself in check which is good thing.

 

[shaz619]

They are waiting for British Pakistanis who are the most patriotic Pakistanis on the Internet and social media to actually come to the country and save the day I guess.

Too bad that most of the BritPakistanis who could teach actual Pakistanis how to be patriotic and love Pakistan are all talk and instead prefer to live in council housing and sponge off benefits in the UK

So it's a circle and the mentality doesn't change because the patriotic spirit and verve only lives on the Internet and never reaches the land

I do think that there are British Pakistani's who are at times overly invested in Pakistan but it is mostly to do with the support for cricket team, there are also people who live in council housing and sponge of benefits but then are ungrateful towards queen / country whilst showing more appreciation for a country that has given them nothing, they do tend to send aid to Pakistan quiet frequently but no where near as much compared to the amounts they send to the arabs whom they are very obsessed with, there are loads of Brits like this but then again it is fair to say that Pakistani's in general seem to worship arabs.

I don't think it is the duty of British Pak to help Pakistani's out but their own countryman and the same can be said for any country in the world really. So the criticisms in general can be directed to both party's because Brit Paks can at times forget about the land they reside in despite all its luxuries, the benefit and council housing systems are certainly abused but its also a gift which is not available to many struggling individuals around the world and many have used it positively as well although it could always be better, J.K Rowling use to live in a council estate as well.

As far as Pak is concerned it is a positive that they criticise the negative aspects but many do take it too far and belittle almost everything including positive developments, there are also many instances where there seems to be an obsession with everything foreign rather then stuff within their country. For example, Amir Khan has enjoyed more support from Pakistani's then Muhammad Waseem, now it is understandable in that Amir has done so much in terms of charity over there and helping out so many people / sportsman but no one literally gives a damn about Waseem. Now you know am a big fan of boxing and this Waseem kid is genuinely very very good given his glittering amateur career but just has not enjoyed support throughout his career, if so many sponsors can get behind Khan why not Waseem who is their own and had to give up a golden world title shot more recently. But the obsession with everything foreign is like a thriving market which companies seem to exploit because it's what the people love.

 

[shaz619]

Why couldn't this Pakistani Energy Drinks company support Waseem who is there own? Manny Pacquiao was once in a very similar position as Waseem starting out at the lower weights coming from a terrible background but the difference is that his people got behind him

 

[R3verse Swing]

If it wasn't for British born Pakistanis the country would be in further mess. Pakistani's who have been born abroad still send a lot of money back to the country and many are dual nationals like myself. So I dont understand why you bring this up. Also they seem to be more loyal than some Pakistani's who havent left the country.

Some people need to be reminded Pakpassion was also started by a British Pakistani.

I think the topic of British Pakistan comes up due to jealousy and frustration. But hey, it's not like we Pakistani Brits had a say in where we were going to be born.

With respect to the OP, I think when it comes to Forums, most people who fit in the categories you describe are false flaggers or wind up merchants. The genuine Pakistanis who just criticize Pakistan without being constructive, tend to have a chip on their shoulder for one reason or another. I have met a few in my life, in Pakistan, and reasons tend to be loss of money, love of a partner, and the pure unfettered hatred of Islam.

 

[PakLFC]

Such Pakistanis who see everything bad in Pak have probably not visited in years. Get off your couch and visit it regularly to see it is nowhere near what the media portrays it to be. Then people from neighbouring country's tell us of our problems instead of looking at their own dirt holes that further annoys me. Pakistan is no America yet it is no Iraq or Somalia either. If you can financially contribute something to it then by all means do so however it's chronic problems can not be sorted by those living abroad. The country where one lives and was born should always comes first, Pakistan is my second love!

 

[Varun]

If it wasn't for British born Pakistanis the country would be in further mess. Pakistani's who have been born abroad still send a lot of money back to the country and many are dual nationals like myself. So I dont understand why you bring this up. Also they seem to be more loyal than some Pakistani's who havent left the country.

Pakistanis living anywhere abroad send money back to Pakistan, this isn't exclusive to British Pakistanis.

But that comes with a flood of negatives as well, all well documented. At the end of the day, British Pakistanis not only give Pakistanis a bad name, but other desis such as Indians or Bangladeshis are also caught in the crossfire. Believe me, if the UK was full of only British Indians and you walked in, you'd have a much better time of it all than the constant scrutiny you are likely facing now, among other things. And you can still send money back to Pakistan for what it's worth.

The tag that has the most consensus is the 'confused desi' one. Even without meeting you I can guarantee that you'd be as out of place at a gymkhana in Lahore as you would in a pub in England. No, that is not called being a global citizen: it is having the worst of both worlds.

( CC: [MENTION=48620]Cpt. Rishwat[/MENTION] )

 

[Greenstorm]

Our media has played a big role in spreading negativity in our country. Foreign media is generally biased against us.

 

[Markhor]

Some of the negativity about PSL3 is justified though. I haven't caught much of PSL3 because I've been busy but I'd have made time if the batting standards and quality of cricket was a lot better.

Whenever I check the score, I see a team going 5-6 RPO after 10 overs and already 3 or 4 wickets down. UAE pitches don't encourage fluent strokeplay as been said many times but it is worrying for a tournament that claims to be competing with IPL, BBL etc that hasn't produced a single total of 180+ yet.

Also, the talent roster is disappointing due to a lack of youngsters and explosive Pakistani batsmen; tried and tested Pakistani domestic names we've seen thousands of times before; and abundance of C grade foreign T20 journeymen.

 

[AssassinatedDevil]

There seems to be certain Pakistanis' who only criticise/hate on their nation but hardly ever say anything postive.

Some examples.

PSL is poor, IPL is best. Sure IPL has more stars but a Pakistani should be proud of the PSL. It's a very good standard and we fans get to see more Pakistani cricket. A lot of hard work has been done to make this league successful and to help return cricket to Pakistan.

CPEC - Its a robbery by China etc. Pakistani can criticise certain elements but surely they should be happy and give praise for such a huge development in the country which will bring jobs etc.

Army are all corrupt, ruined the nation etc. Sure the army isn't perfect and has made small & big mistakes but the army consists mainly of soldiers who have layed down their lives to protect the people of the land.

Religion, Pakistan should be secular. Sure there are extremists but this exists in every society. The majority of Pakistani's are Muslims, they want Pakistan to be a Muslim nation and they are happy with laws which are based on morals related to their religion. Criticise but to always look down on the Islam in Pakistan is just hate.

Kashmir - Some beilieve IOK Kashmiri's are not their problem. Sure but where is the humanity of such Pakistanis who cant criticise the crimes of the Indian state.


I dont understand where this mentailty comes from? Do they wish they were born as some other nationality?

Excellent post. These so called "Pakistanis" suffer from the worst kind of inferiority complex. Their unconcious bias makes them doubt the quality and standard of everything pakistan affiliated.

 

[Romali_rotti]

They are waiting for British Pakistanis who are the most patriotic Pakistanis on the Internet and social media to actually come to the country and save the day I guess.

Too bad that most of the BritPakistanis who could teach actual Pakistanis how to be patriotic and love Pakistan are all talk and instead prefer to live in council housing and sponge off benefits in the UK

Damn I was too late, I was going to respond to the OP: 'Such wisdom, from the comfort of his home in UK'

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I would give them benefit of doubt.

Most Pakistanis friends I meet in north america criticize the government, all seek for stability in Pakistan. Many have small to big business and almost all have some kind of small to big investment in Pakistan.

Yes, putting money to reconstruct their old home is an investment. Most traditional cloths women buy are made in Pakistan. Lab coat I am wearing is made in Pakistan. So, eventually the mind and the soul is in Pakistan, but they don't wear nationalist green tinged goggles that many britpakistani wears.

It's pointless to wear those goggles. Gives you hit on internet, doesn't contribute much for the betterment for the country. Or probably contribute the same as other non brit pakistanis.

I would say Pakistanis goggles are a lot paler shade than the saffron tinged goggles that Indians wear. Pakistanis are generally very critical of their country, you would see that in forums across the web as compared to their neighbours. You won't get catchphrases like Shining Pakistan without being met with a cacophony of derision. Do they have more to be critical of? In many ways yes, so the criticism is warranted. India has shown progress in many ways, some forms of that progress probably wouldn't suit Pakistan being an Islamic country. So I think constructive criticism is always welcome. But what we see on a lot of Pakistani forums is ill disguised hatred, both self indulged and trolling from outside. British Pakistanis tend to not take that lying down, and those who don't like looking in the mirror get offended.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Pakistanis living anywhere abroad send money back to Pakistan, this isn't exclusive to British Pakistanis.

But that comes with a flood of negatives as well, all well documented. At the end of the day, British Pakistanis not only give Pakistanis a bad name, but other desis such as Indians or Bangladeshis are also caught in the crossfire. Believe me, if the UK was full of only British Indians and you walked in, you'd have a much better time of it all than the constant scrutiny you are likely facing now, among other things. And you can still send money back to Pakistan for what it's worth.

The tag that has the most consensus is the 'confused desi' one. Even without meeting you I can guarantee that you'd be as out of place at a gymkhana in Lahore as you would in a pub in England. No, that is not called being a global citizen: it is having the worst of both worlds.

( CC: [MENTION=48620]Cpt. Rishwat[/MENTION] )

I agree Indians integrate better than Pakistanis, that is down to Pakistanis holding onto religious values abroad which means socialising and cross cultural marriage can be a problem. Not for the couple themselves, but for the perception in the eyes of others. There's nothing confused about being out of place in Lahore gymkhana or a pub in Britain. You can go to either if you want to, but Britain is at the moment at least multicultural, so if you want to avoid alcohol, you can do it just as easily as if you can avoid meat if you are a vegetarian.

 

[sjahmed23]

You gotta dream and let others dream as well. Sure Pakistan has a lot of problems, but which country doesn't? The cynicism in Pakistani culture has reached suffocating levels, how can anyone even do anything when they are constantly told 'iss mulk mein koch nahi bacha' from a young age? Nothing in life comes easy, not in Pakistan not in US or Europe.

 

[shaz619]

Pakistanis living anywhere abroad send money back to Pakistan, this isn't exclusive to British Pakistanis.

But that comes with a flood of negatives as well, all well documented. At the end of the day, British Pakistanis not only give Pakistanis a bad name, but other desis such as Indians or Bangladeshis are also caught in the crossfire. Believe me, if the UK was full of only British Indians and you walked in, you'd have a much better time of it all than the constant scrutiny you are likely facing now, among other things. And you can still send money back to Pakistan for what it's worth.

The tag that has the most consensus is the 'confused desi' one. Even without meeting you I can guarantee that you'd be as out of place at a gymkhana in Lahore as you would in a pub in England. No, that is not called being a global citizen: it is having the worst of both worlds.

( CC: [MENTION=48620]Cpt. Rishwat[/MENTION] )

So why do British Pakistanis give all other desi's around the world a bad name ? and why do you feel one would feel out of place in an England pub ? can't really speak of the lahore gymkhana though because I have never been to one and it's not my country

 

[DeadBall]

They are waiting for British Pakistanis who are the most patriotic Pakistanis on the Internet and social media to actually come to the country and save the day I guess.

Too bad that most of the BritPakistanis who could teach actual Pakistanis how to be patriotic and love Pakistan are all talk and instead prefer to live in council housing and sponge off benefits in the UK

So it's a circle and the mentality doesn't change because the patriotic spirit and verve only lives on the Internet and never reaches the land

/thread.

 

[humzy]

They are waiting for British Pakistanis who are the most patriotic Pakistanis on the Internet and social media to actually come to the country and save the day I guess.

Too bad that most of the BritPakistanis who could teach actual Pakistanis how to be patriotic and love Pakistan are all talk and instead prefer to live in council housing and sponge off benefits in the UK

So it's a circle and the mentality doesn't change because the patriotic spirit and verve only lives on the Internet and never reaches the land

This is what you call a complete ownage.

 

[khalil1986]

They are waiting for British Pakistanis who are the most patriotic Pakistanis on the Internet and social media to actually come to the country and save the day I guess.

Too bad that most of the BritPakistanis who could teach actual Pakistanis how to be patriotic and love Pakistan are all talk and instead prefer to live in council housing and sponge off benefits in the UK

So it's a circle and the mentality doesn't change because the patriotic spirit and verve only lives on the Internet and never reaches the land

Nail. Hammer. Head.

 

[R3verse Swing]

Yes because all British Pakistanis live off benefits and have nothing better to do.

Yeah. I get the feeling some Pakistanis were denied a Visa for the easy life.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Nail. Hammer. Head.

Do you live on a council estate sponging off benefits then?

 

[Mamoon]

They are waiting for British Pakistanis who are the most patriotic Pakistanis on the Internet and social media to actually come to the country and save the day I guess.

Too bad that most of the BritPakistanis who could teach actual Pakistanis how to be patriotic and love Pakistan are all talk and instead prefer to live in council housing and sponge off benefits in the UK

So it's a circle and the mentality doesn't change because the patriotic spirit and verve only lives on the Internet and never reaches the land

Now this is what you call raining on someone's parade.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Now this is what you call raining on someone's parade.

Except it's not true. Most British Pakistanis don't live in council estates, they are usually populated mostly by whites and blacks. I think the disparaging comments are perhaps getting approval from those who feel somehow stung by the OP.

 

[R3verse Swing]

Except it's not true. Most British Pakistanis don't live in council estates, they are usually populated mostly by whites and blacks. I think the disparaging comments are perhaps getting approval from those who feel somehow stung by the OP.

Spot on. Another case of attack the poster not the post.

Pakistanis in NA, EMEA, and APAC are spared the nonsense for obvious reasons.

 

[Mamoon]

Except it's not true. Most British Pakistanis don't live in council estates, they are usually populated mostly by whites and blacks. I think the disparaging comments are perhaps getting approval from those who feel somehow stung by the OP.

I think the fact that you are replying to people who have approved what Slog said, suggests that it is you who feels stung by what he (Slog) said. I agree with the gist of his post, not necessarily every word. There are many British Pakistanis in my family and they do not live in council estates.

Nonetheless, what he said applies not only to British Pakistanis but also to North American Pakistanis. For some reason, people who were not born and brought up in Pakistan and have barely spent any substantial amount of time in the country tend to think that they know the country better than the people who have spent most of their lives in Pakistan.

Other than doing the "ehsan" of sending money to Pakistan (without which the country would become Greece of course), overseas Pakistanis have no contribution to the Pakistani society and have no stake in what happens in the country. In other words, they never were and never will be part of the system.

It appears that Slog has ruffled a few feathers by singling out British Pakistanis. I imagine that had he generalized all expats without mentioning British Pakistanis specifically, the reaction would not have been so strong.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I think the fact that you are replying to people who have approved what Slog said, suggests that it is you who feels stung by what he (Slog) said. I agree with the gist of his post, not necessarily every word. There are many British Pakistanis in my family and they do not live in council estates.

Nonetheless, what he said applies not only to British Pakistanis but also to North American Pakistanis. For some reason, people who were not born and brought up in Pakistan and have barely spent any substantial amount of time in the country tend to think that they know the country better than the people who have spent most of their lives in Pakistan.

Other than doing the "ehsan" of sending money to Pakistan (without which the country would become Greece of course), overseas Pakistanis have no contribution to the Pakistani society and have no stake in what happens in the country. In other words, they never were and never will be part of the system.

It appears that Slog has ruffled a few feathers by singling out British Pakistanis. I imagine that had he generalized all expats without mentioning British Pakistanis specifically, the reaction would not have been so strong.

He probably should have generalised all expats then, although I have no problem with him singling out British Pakistanis as long as his information is accurate, which it wasn't. You are right that overseas Pakistanis have no stake in the country, neither should they be expected to have any. That wasn't really the gist of the thread though. I don't really know why it's took this direction, which is why I could only assume the OP stung a few people.

 

[shaz619]

Most seem to have ignored the OP and decided to attack him rather then address the situation, the irony is that a lot of these patriots criticising him tend to leave their home land for sweeter fruits in the UK , Canada or US.

Assuming the Brits oblige the Pakistani's with various charities, as if that is something to criticise in itself I'd be glad if someone is investing in my country regardless of where they are from, obviously the gareeb people will appreciate it but the esteemed elite who are well off will point out how the help is of no benefit, well offcourse it is of no benefit when you live in a house with 20 toilets. People may curse council housing and benefits but atleast they are available for struggling people, am not sure I can say the same about Pak but again, the wealthy will never appreciate basic neccesities which have been taken for granted.

But yeah the criticisms are acceptable in that Brits should be more concerned about the UK then Pakistan, they are not your people and you will never be accepted by them; Pakistani's are not like the Irish, just look at how they treat their own why the hell would they give a damn about you

 

[shaz619]

He probably should have generalised all expats then, although I have no problem with him singling out British Pakistanis as long as his information is accurate, which it wasn't. You are right that overseas Pakistanis have no stake in the country, neither should they be expected to have any. That wasn't really the gist of the thread though. I don't really know why it's took this direction, which is why I could only assume the OP stung a few people.

100% stung them, am not sure why though. I thought they'd be more open to have a discussion with regards to the topic at hand, that would be more positive. It's not like he has humiliated them beyond repair or something. But I agree maybe he shouldn't have bothered, it's not our problem in the end really

 

[R3verse Swing]

100% stung them, am not sure why though. I thought they'd be more open to have a discussion with regards to the topic at hand, that would be more positive. It's not like he has humiliated them beyond repair or something. But I agree maybe he shouldn't have bothered, it's not our problem in the end really

I do not believe it is that they are humiliated, for humiliation the truth must be known. It is more to with being offended by the truth. It wouldn’t be the first time a patriot Pakistani hates Britain because their visa was rejected or they did not qualify for a medical visa based on their inability (UK has enough Dungar Doctors as it is).

As it has been pointed out, the majority of responses are in reference to the poster of the OP, and not the post. The generalisation is befouling. This means that at some point said posters were brutally hit hard with the truth.

It’s called compensation psychology. Trying to make themselves feel better against the backdrop of failure and hatred.

 

[PakLFC]

It is true that Pakistanis in the UK need to give greater priority to mainstream education instead of viewing everything through religion that holds us back, By comparison Pakistanis in the USA and Canada seem to be doing much better. If integrating in to western society means womanising, clubbing and drinking then I am happy being the way I am. Indian's living in the west generally do such things much more then Pakistanis which is why they are seen as being socially integrated. All Indian people I work with drink and have girlfriends. Not saying Pak's don't do such things but we are generally more conservative that is misconstrued as being anti social. I got many white pal's and some Indian ones as well but there idea of "having fun" or "a good time" is very different to mines.

 

[Syed1]

Some of the negativity about PSL3 is justified though. I haven't caught much of PSL3 because I've been busy but I'd have made time if the batting standards and quality of cricket was a lot better.

Whenever I check the score, I see a team going 5-6 RPO after 10 overs and already 3 or 4 wickets down. UAE pitches don't encourage fluent strokeplay as been said many times but it is worrying for a tournament that claims to be competing with IPL, BBL etc that hasn't produced a single total of 180+ yet.

Also, the talent roster is disappointing due to a lack of youngsters and explosive Pakistani batsmen; tried and tested Pakistani domestic names we've seen thousands of times before; and abundance of C grade foreign T20 journeymen.

You just copy pasted your post from another thread and it isn't even relevant here

 

[Syed1]

All the point scoring apart there is some truth to what OP said. We have certain people who have to downplay every single of Pakistan's achievements. Take PP for example, there is a certain guy who kept crying hoarse about how the CT win was a fluke and everyday he posts 10-15 posts as to how the PSL is poor and embarrassing. There are many such people in our nation.

 

[Darkrai]

Because Pakistan is in a sorry state. No cricket at home, people scared of even visiting the country. Most want Pakistan to improve and compete with top nations, which is not going to happen. Many countries have negative views towards Pakistan. I think these critics just want what's best for Pakistan but are very frustrated with the current situation and the lack of improvement. Not really sure why overseas Pakistanis are being attacked here, some real nonsense though not surprising. This is the difference between typical Pakistanis and other people, this kind of mentality is very disappointing and unfortunate. Anyway overseas Pakistan do more good for Pakistan than harm, not really sure what harm they do but i guess some people feel that way. For some Pakistanis being away from their country only intensifies their love for it.

 

[Varun]

So why do British Pakistanis give all other desi's around the world a bad name ? and why do you feel one would feel out of place in an England pub ? can't really speak of the lahore gymkhana though because I have never been to one and it's not my country

Because they don't seem to be the most appetizing members of the British society: negative stories abound, and they don't seem to be too high on the education/integration scale either. And since they resemble other desis (Indians, Bangladeshis, etc.), the equivalent of collateral damage occurs.

 

[humzy]

Because they don't seem to be the most appetizing members of the British society: negative stories abound, and they don't seem to be too high on the education/integration scale either. And since they resemble other desis (Indians, Bangladeshis, etc.), the equivalent of collateral damage occurs.

Calm down Indians probably are the lowest denominator on the status scale in most western countries, British Pakistanis are probably doing you a favour. Atleast it might scare people from messing with you guys as much as they currently do.

 

[big_gamer007]

They are waiting for British Pakistanis who are the most patriotic Pakistanis on the Internet and social media to actually come to the country and save the day I guess.

Too bad that most of the BritPakistanis who could teach actual Pakistanis how to be patriotic and love Pakistan are all talk and instead prefer to live in council housing and sponge off benefits in the UK

So it's a circle and the mentality doesn't change because the patriotic spirit and verve only lives on the Internet and never reaches the land

Spot on.. It’s easy to be ultra patriotic when you don’t have to live in a country and face the day to day problems.. Living comfortably in west without having to face daily problems of pollution, population, corruption, traffic jams, poor state of roads, mosquitos, power culture, inequality etc etc one tends to feel more patriotic when they don’t have to face these issues daily.

 

[Mamoon]

I do not believe it is that they are humiliated, for humiliation the truth must be known. It is more to with being offended by the truth. It wouldn’t be the first time a patriot Pakistani hates Britain because their visa was rejected or they did not qualify for a medical visa based on their inability (UK has enough Dungar Doctors as it is).

As it has been pointed out, the majority of responses are in reference to the poster of the OP, and not the post. The generalisation is befouling. This means that at some point said posters were brutally hit hard with the truth.

It’s called compensation psychology. Trying to make themselves feel better against the backdrop of failure and hatred.

You will be disappointed to know that I love the UK, its culture and how tolerant it is. As I stated earlier, there a lot of British Pakistanis in my family and I visit them very, very often. Pretty much every year.

The UK is like a second home for me and after Pakistan, that is where I feel most comfortable. I also love the England cricket team.

The point that I am making has nothing to do with Anglophobia, and it applies to all Pakistanis who were not born and brought up in Pakistan.

 

[Pakistanian]

There's this saying, the person who gets the best view is the one who steps out of the frame. Us westerners with pakistani ancestry are more qualified to comment on the old country than somebody that has never stepped outside the frame. Y'all should be thankful for our insight. You're welcome.

 

[Varun]

Calm down Indians probably are the lowest denominator on the status scale in most western countries, British Pakistanis are probably doing you a favour. Atleast it might scare people from messing with you guys as much as they currently do.

This post screams "Coping Technique!"

And the very fact that you have to bring up the fact that you have a scary persona (and little else) proves my point completely.

 

[Markhor]

You just copy pasted your post from another thread and it isn't even relevant here

When people keep bringing up the same topic, I have to keep repeating myself.

PSL3 has been an underwhelming disappointment. Patriotism cannot cloud one's judgement. No objective person can see the quality of cricket on show as being on par with IPL, BBL or even T20 Blast.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Patriotism means loving your country for better or for worse. Those who are always finding fault with their country should move to another country. We will be better off without such people. At least value the watan ka namak which is running in your blood and don't be namak haraam.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Calm down Indians probably are the lowest denominator on the status scale in most western countries, British Pakistanis are probably doing you a favour. Atleast it might scare people from messing with you guys as much as they currently do.

Indians are far more financially well off than their Pakistani counterparts in UK. They are near the top in terms of median income while Brit Pakistanis are near the bottom.

Indians certainly are in no need of any favours from Pakistanis. Better do yourselves a favour.

 

[humzy]

Indians are far more financially well off than their Pakistani counterparts in UK. They are near the top in terms of median income while Brit Pakistanis are near the bottom.

Indians certainly are in no need of any favours from Pakistanis. Better do yourselves a favour.

Thats great, unfortunately financially well off isnt the defining factor of your status in society

 

[someone21]

Such people are better than those who find nothing wrong with their countries and think their country is perfect. Such people still maintain their nationality, so obviously, they feel proud of their country yet feel disappointed by the country's progress and express their criticism publicly. That's perfectly fine and normal behaviour.

 

[IMMY69]

Criticism, if it is justifiable, is not a bad thing.

Ranting off for the sake of it and having a constant negative view on everything is a deplorable trait.

 

[Varun]

Thats great, unfortunately financially well off isnt the defining factor of your status in society

While intimidating people on the street clearly is.

 

[English August]

While intimidating people on the street clearly is.

I don't know why Pakistanis even get into this our-immigrants-are-better-than-yours game. Indian immigrants have left everyone else so far behind in every dimension (education, social status, wealth) that it's not a fair comparison anymore.

Only Jews in the US come anywhere close to the Indians, but Jews and Indians are friends, so it's not a competition.

 

[R3verse Swing]

They are not Indians if they have nationality abroad.

Fact. Move on.

 

[R3verse Swing]

Every Indian I have come across in the UK who left India, did so for a better life. They do not rate their chances, country, opportunity well. These Indians end up being the most critical of India and provide a balanced view I find.

4 colleagues at work left India because of Modi and will not return. Their views on India are nothing new to a Pakistani, but the native Brits are left in shock when they learn of the realities.

 

[English August]

There seems to be certain Pakistanis' who only criticise/hate on their nation but hardly ever say anything postive.

Some examples.

PSL is poor, IPL is best. Sure IPL has more stars but a Pakistani should be proud of the PSL. It's a very good standard and we fans get to see more Pakistani cricket. A lot of hard work has been done to make this league successful and to help return cricket to Pakistan.

CPEC - Its a robbery by China etc. Pakistani can criticise certain elements but surely they should be happy and give praise for such a huge development in the country which will bring jobs etc.

Army are all corrupt, ruined the nation etc. Sure the army isn't perfect and has made small & big mistakes but the army consists mainly of soldiers who have layed down their lives to protect the people of the land.

Religion, Pakistan should be secular. Sure there are extremists but this exists in every society. The majority of Pakistani's are Muslims, they want Pakistan to be a Muslim nation and they are happy with laws which are based on morals related to their religion. Criticise but to always look down on the Islam in Pakistan is just hate.

Kashmir - Some beilieve IOK Kashmiri's are not their problem. Sure but where is the humanity of such Pakistanis who cant criticise the crimes of the Indian state.


I dont understand where this mentailty comes from? Do they wish they were born as some other nationality?

PSL is poor and IPL is way way way better. FACT.

CPEC is daylight robbery of Pakistan by China. It's East India Company all over again. FACT.

Pakistani army is corrupt and incompetent. FACT.

Mullah culture and madrassas are responsible for the current mess Pakistan finds itself in. FACT.

Kashmir is not Pakistan's problem. It's an integral part of India, and Pak won't get an inch (they have lost 4 wars trying to change the status and got a bloody nose every time). FACT.

So what exactly are you crying about? You should give credit to a few Pakistanis who see the reality and have the courage to acknowledge it.

 

[R3verse Swing]

You will be disappointed to know that I love the UK, its culture and how tolerant it is. As I stated earlier, there a lot of British Pakistanis in my family and I visit them very, very often. Pretty much every year.

The UK is like a second home for me and after Pakistan, that is where I feel most comfortable. I also love the England cricket team.

The point that I am making has nothing to do with Anglophobia, and it applies to all Pakistanis who were not born and brought up in Pakistan.

So, keeping in line with the generalisations, are your family in the UK living in council houses and sponging of the state?

 

[CricketCartoons]

Every Indian I have come across in the UK who left India, did so for a better life. They do not rate their chances, country, opportunity well. These Indians end up being the most critical of India and provide a balanced view I find.

4 colleagues at work left India because of Modi and will not return. Their views on India are nothing new to a Pakistani, but the native Brits are left in shock when they learn of the realities.

Good that 4 traitors left India.

 

[R3verse Swing]

When the Brits learn of the caste system for example, first hand by Indian migrants, they almost choke with disbelief! Things get really educational at Friday lunchtimes.

Not a single Indian migrant has a good thing to say about India. Especially the Sikhs, they take the discussion on another level.

 

[TM Riddle]

But but but I thought Indians unlike Pakistanis never like to wash their dirty linen in the public and are always up in arms when it comes to defending their birth place?
So which one is true? Tbh I preferred the eating livestock to curb global warming theory. Is that why the Wembley stadium was completely full to welcome Modi when he first visited England? LOL . I mean the lies people would shamelessly peddle to get their point across . Pathetic

 

[R3verse Swing]

Indians wash their dirty laundry in public, just not on a Pakistani forum. The reality is, Indians joining a Pakistani forum do so for the sake of bravado. Most of the time Indians are trying their level best to look and sound superior. It’s all about boasting and gloating. Anything to preserve a fragile image.

Head over to an Indian forum and Indians are at each other’s throats, no different to Pakistanis on this forum. We get a glimmer of such behaviour in the Modi thread. More so when it comes to cricket, the Tendulkar vs Kohli generations are at war with each other. Hindus vs Non- Hindus are at war with each other. Rich vs Poor are at war with each other. Higher caste vs lower caste are at war with each other. The evidence is glaring on the internet. In fact, even on UK media such as Radio, the war of words between Indians is prominent.

This is why Modi was greeted, with riots in the UK, all Indians! CLICK HERE. The only Indians that headed over to Wembley were Hindutva supporters. Another case of Hindu vs Non-Hindus, only this time imported to the UK. This is how bad it is.

Now, there is an argument that some Indians are genuine, I accept this, and in my experience, western born desis fit into this category. They tend to have their heads screwed on better than most. However, even if we grant the notion that native Indians fall in the same category, 5 or 6 users is not representative of 1.3 Billion.

Ultimately no country is perfect, but at the same time to acknowledge your country is just 100% bad and can do no good, boils down to hatred, jealousy, and experience.

 

[TM Riddle]

) Nepalis lol. Sure

 

[R3verse Swing]

The videos in the link shows Sikhs protesting. Perhaps the video is blocked in Indian. Hmmm. Would make sense. Censorship for the sake of an image!

 

[TM Riddle]

Yes 10 Sikhs , 5 Gujaratis and 50 Nepalis protesting makes it a breaking news while 50 thousand Indians gathered in a stadium were all Hindutva supporters.
Hmm makes sense

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Such people are better than those who find nothing wrong with their countries and think their country is perfect. Such people still maintain their nationality, so obviously, they feel proud of their country yet feel disappointed by the country's progress and express their criticism publicly. That's perfectly fine and normal behaviour.

I don't recall you criticising your country much here, usually you are very defensive. Perhaps you should practice what you preach if you really believe it. Otherwise I agree with your sentiments if not the person expressing them.

 

[R3verse Swing]

You see folks, this is precisely the point. An article which firstly falsifies the fallacious and desperate claim that Modi’s visits was greeted with open arms is just the starting point. The second point is the article reveals the realities of India is first rejected by Indians because it only shows Nepalis. This is known as the denial phase, or better known as selective reading. The when the user actually READS the article, and comes to the realisation that their narrative and claim is torpedoed, it comes down to numbers and the fact that all Indians do NOT live in harmony across the world. It takes time, but we get there in the end!

So you see, it’s not just Pakistanis criticising their country, it’s Indians too – at an international level mind you, it’s just Pakistani criticism feels more prominent on a Pakistan forum because the reality is, Indians don’t just bring out the dirty linen in public, but the entire laundry, or should I say, Dhobi Ghat.

 

[someone21]

I don't recall you criticising your country much here, usually you are very defensive. Perhaps you should practice what you preach if you really believe it. Otherwise I agree with your sentiments if not the person expressing them.

Surely, not a serious post. I am critical of my country but I don't need to make such comments on a random internet forum.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Criticism, if it is justifiable, is not a bad thing.

Ranting off for the sake of it and having a constant negative view on everything is a deplorable trait.

Worse that that, when you bang on with the same agenda relentlessly, any valid criticism starts to lose it's impact. The silly comment about council houses and sponging off the benefit system was weird but it's not the first time we have had it thrown around here, usually it's by Indian patriots attempting to puff up their chests about their economy. That's fine it itself, but as already pointed out, it's usually Britain's white and black population which take up council housing. Why not ridicule them? I can't work out whether it's inferiority complex or self hatred which is the driving factor here. Maybe it's the same thing.

 

[TM Riddle]

I thank our friend Reverse Swing for enlightening our Pakistani friends that Indians are as much critical of their country as their neighbors.
Here's Hoping we wouldn't get any more accusations from the Native Brits like Capt Rishwat about how jingoistic Indians are.

 

[WC-Passion]

I think the fact that you are replying to people who have approved what Slog said, suggests that it is you who feels stung by what he (Slog) said. I agree with the gist of his post, not necessarily every word. There are many British Pakistanis in my family and they do not live in council estates.

Nonetheless, what he said applies not only to British Pakistanis but also to North American Pakistanis. For some reason, people who were not born and brought up in Pakistan and have barely spent any substantial amount of time in the country tend to think that they know the country better than the people who have spent most of their lives in Pakistan.

Other than doing the "ehsan" of sending money to Pakistan (without which the country would become Greece of course), overseas Pakistanis have no contribution to the Pakistani society and have no stake in what happens in the country. In other words, they never were and never will be part of the system.

It appears that Slog has ruffled a few feathers by singling out British Pakistanis. I imagine that had he generalized all expats without mentioning British Pakistanis specifically, the reaction would not have been so strong.

There seems to be a lot of negativity towards British Pakistanis in this forum, probably due to a few personal encounters that has led them to generalise and make assumptions statements about them, or maybe due to what they've read about them. People should be factually correct before singling out certain groups though.

Yeah. I get the feeling some Pakistanis were denied a Visa for the easy life.

Could be, or it could be that some people actually believe factually incorrect stereotypes.

 

[R3verse Swing]

Worse that that, when you bang on with the same agenda relentlessly, any valid criticism starts to lose it's impact. The silly comment about council houses and sponging off the benefit system was weird but it's not the first time we have had it thrown around here, usually it's by Indian patriots attempting to puff up their chests about their economy. That's fine it itself, but as already pointed out, it's usually Britain's white and black population which take up council housing. Why not ridicule them? I can't work out whether it's inferiority complex or self hatred which is the driving factor here. Maybe it's the same thing.

Upon a deeper dive, the comment wasn’t so much out of silliness, than rather out of jealousy.

It’s no secret that earning an honest crust in Pakistan and India is hard work, yet the thought of living at home, earning the dosh, is more appealing to the lazy beings who wish to be fed out of a silver spoon than to earn a living. Especially if you factor in the FX rate.

Coupled with the fact the poster is Pakistani, the jealousy is not extended to whites and blacks, because simply, well, they are not Pakistani. Meaning if the poster was white/black, then they would equally be ridiculed.

Of course, as you and I know, the demographics of council housing and state sponging is very different to the claims made in this thread.

We should talk about the amount of tax we give in the UK, compared to those in Pakistan/India. This would not just reveal a can of worms, but also expose just how much Pakistanis/Indians back home really care about their motherland.

 

[English August]

I thank our friend Reverse Swing for enlightening our Pakistani friends that Indians are as much critical of their country as their neighbors.
Here's Hoping we wouldn't get any more accusations from the Native Brits like Capt Rishwat about how jingoistic Indians are.

Indeed. This thread is popcorn-worthy!

It started off by some Pakistani ranting against 5 100% factually correct statements (which no one has been able to deny) and now has degenerated into the usual Ind-Pak bashing. Captain Rishwat who is usually into trolling and strawman-making is seen making serious arguments trying to defend the Brit-Pakistanis!

Ouch. The comments by native Pakistanis against the Brit-Pakistanis must have hurt!

And now they can't get their narrative straight: do Indians criticize themselves or not? Reverse Swing is making up stories about his Indian colleagues, but would be good to see reactions from other Pakistanis.

{ Gets popcorn }

 

[WC-Passion]

There seems to be a lot of negativity towards British Pakistanis in this forum, probably due to a few personal encounters that has led them to generalise and make assumptions statements about them, or maybe due to what they've read about them. People should be factually correct before singling out certain groups though.



Could be, or it could be that some people actually believe factually incorrect stereotypes.

*assumptious

 

[WC-Passion]

Indeed. This thread is popcorn-worthy!

It started off by some Pakistani ranting against 5 100% factually correct statements (which no one has been able to deny) and now has degenerated into the usual Ind-Pak bashing. Captain Rishwat who is usually into trolling and strawman-making is seen making serious arguments trying to defend the Brit-Pakistanis!

Ouch. The comments by native Pakistanis against the Brit-Pakistanis must have hurt!

And now they can't get their narrative straight: do Indians criticize themselves or not? Reverse Swing is making up stories about his Indian colleagues, but would be good to see reactions from other Pakistanis.

{ Gets popcorn }

Not sure how India has anything to do with the topic on hand... Also using the same insult about "but but they live in council housing" is just poor and childish. Like surely there is something else, that you can point out to continue bashing British Pakistanis with? They probably have a list of them....