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Pakistan's chances of reaching the semi-finals stage of the ICC World Cup 2023?

Will Pakistan somehow qualify for the semi-finals of the ICC World Cup 2023?

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Looks like it's just the final 4th position spot that's up for grabs now and by looking at the games remaining, it's a tussle between NZ and Pak. The easiest way for Pak to get in will be by winning both their remaining games (NZ and Eng) and finishing on 10 points and NZ losing both their remaining games (Pak and SL). We can afford to lose against NZ if NZ lose against SL but then it will come down to nrr.....we will go into the England game with an equation in that case....
 
You people aren't getting the maths right. Remember next NZ , Pakistan play each other. Pakistan have to improve their NRR by +0.24 and NZ NRR should be down by -0.24 so both teams teams will be equal after Pakistan wins the match by that certain margin..don't have to win by a margin to compensate for +0.48 NRR only +0.24/-0.24.
 
adzzy786 said:
As much as I want this to be true I can’t see it happening. We win the next two games it leaves us on 10 points. NZ have a game in hand and if we both end up on 10 points they’ll go through on NRR
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We can't BOTH end up on 10, we play each other next. We could both end up on 8.....but Pak will have the benefit of going into last match knowing what they need in terms of NRR
 
Want an Indo-Pak SF in Eden Gardens. Though it won't come close to Mohali, still will easily be the 2nd biggest cricket match of all time.
 
t_kaay said:
Looks like it's just the final 4th position spot that's up for grabs now and by looking at the games remaining, it's a tussle between NZ and Pak. The easiest way for Pak to get in will be by winning both their remaining games (NZ and Eng) and finishing on 10 points and NZ losing both their remaining games (Pak and SL). We can afford to lose against NZ if NZ lose against SL but then it will come down to nrr.....we will go into the England game with an equation in that case....
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No because if we lose to NZ, then max we can finish is 8 points, need to beat NZ for definite.
 
t_kaay said:
Looks like it's just the final 4th position spot that's up for grabs now and by looking at the games remaining, it's a tussle between NZ and Pak. The easiest way for Pak to get in will be by winning both their remaining games (NZ and Eng) and finishing on 10 points and NZ losing both their remaining games (Pak and SL). We can afford to lose against NZ if NZ lose against SL but then it will come down to nrr.....we will go into the England game with an equation in that case....
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Agay agay dil churanay mein agay

Pakistan time
 
If pakistan wins against NZ, than advantage is with Pakistan as they play last, and nz plays a day earlier.

In case of AFG, they have a valid chance on pts and on rr
 
Swashbuckler said:
Want an Indo-Pak SF in Eden Gardens. Though it won't come close to Mohali, still will easily be the 2nd biggest cricket match of all time.
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You'd also easily win if it came to that, the gap between the teams is huge compared to back then. Plus Pak players will melt in the atmosphere.

Though I think its somewhat unfair you always seem to have a home advantage in sub continent WCs.
 
Pakistan will have to beat NZ by 80 runs or chase target around 35-37 overs to get their NRR above NZ.
 
Major said:
If pakistan wins against NZ, than advantage is with Pakistan as they play last, and nz plays a day earlier.

In case of AFG, they have a valid chance on pts and on rr
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TBH, I'd rather have the win in the bag and be in front than added pressure of having to WIN and with a target RR.
 
GLORY OF '92 said:
Bigger than Mohali
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No bro, Mohali was different. International cricket had more emotional attachment then, now because of franchise cricket, Netflix etc people aren't that obsessed with the this event. The hype, leadup to Mohali was incredible, you could feel the tension in the air for days. It was also the culmination of many legends especially from 90s and 00s, having one final shot at the cup, like Sachin, Sehwag, Afridi, Razzaq, Younis etc. And many big names like Dhoni, Yuvraj, Raina, Zaheer, Bhajji, Misbah, Ajmal, Umar Gul etc.

I honestly believe that Mohali was the biggest international sporting event of all time, bigger than any FIFA World Cup final.
 
Babar and co need to put all the energy they have into NZ game. Give your 150%
 
t_kaay said:
Nope. If lose to NZ, we have to hope SL then beats NZ, to leave us on 8 and NZ on 10, we then go into England game knowing what nrr we need to win that game by, to get to 10 points with a better nrr as well
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I hope Pak don't get overconfident after NZ's performance today. Pak will crumble chasing too. Don't understand why NZ bowled first when you know SA's kryptonite is chasing
 
7sins said:
Afghanistan beating this SA team at wankhede stadium LOL
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Saffers have lost to the likes of Holland so I wouldn't completely discount it and they will go spin heavy as they know they will destroy pace.
 
If Pakistan bats first and scores 300, they need to win by 84 runs or more to leapfrog NZ NRR

If Pakistan bats second and NZ scores 300, Pakistan needs to chase the score in 35.5 overs or less to leapfrog NZ NRR.
 

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Afghans can beat SA even in Wankhede. their batting has improved by leaps and bounds, they have developed a maturity and sense of calmness which is helping them construct innings clinically. SA is weak against spin, if they chase against the Afghans expect some fun.
 
owenhcricket said:
Why is it a failure?

Pakistan lost about 4 games in a row, coming back and getting 5th place, esecialy if tired to NZ who could make the semis is a massive positive at this point.

But you keep crying, might help soothe the burns.
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Coming to this world cup Pakistan was no. 1 team , They have no 1 Batsman and Best bowling attack . still 5th place is successful world cup for you?? Lol
 
boomboomcheema said:
You people aren't getting the maths right. Remember next NZ , Pakistan play each other. Pakistan have to improve their NRR by +0.24 and NZ NRR should be down by -0.24 so both teams teams will be equal after Pakistan wins the match by that certain margin..don't have to win by a margin to compensate for +0.48 NRR only +0.24/-0.24.
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What's a run rate of 0.24 mean in terms of runs. If we bat first and make 300, do we have to get them out for 288. Or am I getting this wrong.
 
One game at a time. First beat the weather, then worry about beating NZ. If that comes off, then Pakistan can think about beating England. Just getting wins would be achievements, if they get the required NRR then party time, but let's not remember where we are coming from, or just how crap our spinners are going to be.
 
Should Pakistan keep banking on their insipid spinners like Usama, Shadab or should they take a gamble and proceed with 4 pacers i.e. Shaheen, Hassan Ali, Wasim Jr, Rauf and leave the spinning duties to Iftikhar and Agha Salman?
 
Kroll said:
You'd also easily win if it came to that, the gap between the teams is huge compared to back then. Plus Pak players will melt in the atmosphere.

Though I think its somewhat unfair you always seem to have a home advantage in sub continent WCs.
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Main difference between India and Pakistan right now is Kuldeep Yadav. Your boys can handle even Bumrah, Shami, and can dismiss us cheaply. I think Kuldeep has featured in 6 Indo-Pak ODIs and Pak never won any of those, his impact is big and often he triggers collapses when Pak batting is doing well, choked Pak even in Ahmedabad after a reasonably good start. He has a mental stranglehold over your best batters, not just a matter of skills. Babar, Rizwan, Fakhar etc are either too timid against him or go into panic mode, doesn't help that they can't read spin off his hands and wait for the ball to pitch.

Kohli and Pandya have been elite matchwinners against Pak and will always be a cause of concern for PCT, but if you guys can see off Kuldeep without taking too much damage, or better even dominate him, you can beat us in Eden. For a potential SF, 90% of PCT team talk must center around the Kuldeep threat, success in that matchup will expose the soft underbelly of ICT.
 
Savak said:
Should Pakistan keep banking on their insipid spinners like Usama, Shadab or should they take a gamble and proceed with 4 pacers i.e. Shaheen, Hassan Ali, Wasim Jr, Rauf and leave the spinning duties to Iftikhar and Agha Salman?
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As a neutral, I think Iftikhar is a better spinner than Shadab, Usama, Nawaz. Your games on turners are done, remaining two you will play in Kolkata and Bengaluru. Kolkata has always been kind to quicks, Bengaluru is a graveyard for spinners. Better go with 4 pacers and trust a couple of part timers to bowl some spin.
 
Devadwal said:
Coming to this world cup Pakistan was no. 1 team , They have no 1 Batsman and Best bowling attack . still 5th place is successful world cup for you?? Lol
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I said it's a massive positive from before.

And sometimes this happens, this is not really a proper tournament where there are groups, quarters and than semis. A team finishing 5th basically means it is just below the best teams of the tournament. I think thats successful yes...is it the best possible outcome? Of course not.

And I don't know about best bowling attack but even with Shaheen and Rauf not at their best, Naseem injured and Hasan ALi making come back and a 22 year old world cup debutant, Pak's pace line up has the second most wickets.

Like I said, keep crying or you can wake up and use some common sense.
 
SamNJ said:
Pakistan will have to beat NZ by 80 runs or chase target around 35-37 overs to get their NRR above NZ.
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Everyone is assuming newzealand will beat srilanka but forgetting that win will affect their runrate..same with Pak vs eng
 
Mamoon said:
If NZ bottle it from here, Afghanistan is far more deserving and worthy than Pakistan to take the 4th position.
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With spat of injuries they are more likely to do that. One of the reason they fought tooth and nail to beat Indai as they knew what was coming.
 
Pak was never in the game against Afg, was as clinical and ruthless as wins come, Afghanistan chased the total like Australia or India that day. Against SA there was a window but they didn't attack the stumps enough against the tailenders.
 
Still premature to be thinking about this... but you just never know.

Must confess, I'm surprised.
 
Congratulations to fans of Pakistan . Pak did not play that bad as the point table suggests. They were close against SA. Dropped catches cost them against Australia. Barring a collapse against India, they did good. Forgot to add, against AFG clueless.

Pak are real semifinal contendars now. Still depends on how NZ plays its last game against SL. if NZ does not win big or does not win against SL, pak has very good chance.
 
owenhcricket said:
I said it's a massive positive from before.

And sometimes this happens, this is not really a proper tournament where there are groups, quarters and than semis. A team finishing 5th basically means it is just below the best teams of the tournament. I think thats successful yes...is it the best possible outcome? Of course not.

And I don't know about best bowling attack but even with Shaheen and Rauf not at their best, Naseem injured and Hasan ALi making come back and a 22 year old world cup debutant, Pak's pace line up has the second most wickets.

Like I said, keep crying or you can wake up and use some common sense.
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Lol this is proper Tournaments where everyone need to play with each other. Pakistan still to win a game against top team. So far three win and all were against Minnows.
 
2 things. Weather hasn't impacted a single game till now. And toss isn't a factor, today again NZ won the toss and got hammered. Win toss, lose toss, bat first, field first, nothing matters. Better side on that day will win, this wasn't the case in previous two world cups and even in last few T20 WCs. Also no particular bias in favor of pace or spin.
 
gazza619 said:
Even if by some miracle Pakistan reaches semis, it will most likely face India and I am not prepared for another mental scaring
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But Pakistan will be under less pressure if they make to semis . They can actually win the tournament incase they make semis . Cause they have already been butchered by media and prepared for worst .
 
I know somebody will say World Cups often consists of luck and teams don't always get the outcomes they deserve.

However I cannot seriously say as a Pakistan fan that we deserve to be in the semifinals given our lacklustre campaign. I cannot seriously say we belong amongst the top four ODI teams on the evidence of this tournament.

Babar especially doesn't deserve any luck given his atrocious captaincy performances, and having already received an almighty helping hand last year at the T20 World Cup.
 
Swashbuckler said:
No bro, Mohali was different. International cricket had more emotional attachment then, now because of franchise cricket, Netflix etc people aren't that obsessed with the this event. The hype, leadup to Mohali was incredible, you could feel the tension in the air for days. It was also the culmination of many legends especially from 90s and 00s, having one final shot at the cup, like Sachin, Sehwag, Afridi, Razzaq, Younis etc. And many big names like Dhoni, Yuvraj, Raina, Zaheer, Bhajji, Misbah, Ajmal, Umar Gul etc.

I honestly believe that Mohali was the biggest international sporting event of all time, bigger than any FIFA World Cup final.
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Very well said @Swashbuckler.

Mohali was huge. I've never seen the atmosphere in PAK/IND like it was in the days leading to the match and then the match day itself.

A lot of emotional attachment and excitement.
 
England going kaput made this world a cup 5 way competition. Afghanistan is still inconsistent.
 
For all the heights NZ reached in the early part of the tournament, they have now lost 3 in a row and they're loaded with injuries. They're lucky they don't have a rabid fan base like ours. Can you imagine what the reaction would be if we included an injured Naseem just to warm the benches every game? But cute cuddly Kiwis get away with Williamson doing the same.

They must be very nervous of the thought of bowling to Fakhar who took them down for 3 ODI hundreds this year and fresh off of that 80 against Bangladesh. They'll likely be without Henry who had success against Pakistan earlier this year. Having Boult is the only consolation for them this time.
 
shariqnoor said:
If Pakistan bats first and scores 300, they need to win by 84 runs or more to leapfrog NZ NRR

If Pakistan bats second and NZ scores 300, Pakistan needs to chase the score in 35.5 overs or less to leapfrog NZ NRR.
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Slightly wrong by 3 ball:

If Pakistan bats first and scores 300, they need to win by 84 runs or more to leapfrog NZ NRR

If Pakistan bats second and NZ scores 300, Pakistan needs to chase the score in 35.2 overs or less to leapfrog NZ NRR.
 
gazza619 said:
Even if by some miracle Pakistan reaches semis, it will most likely face India and I am not prepared for another mental scaring
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It comes down to what happens in SA vs INdia in case SA wins that one inform SA will face Pakistan.
 
gazza619 said:
Even if by some miracle Pakistan reaches semis, it will most likely face India and I am not prepared for another mental scaring
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Reaching the semis is a good achievement bro, plus always a chance to upset the higher seeded team. India topped the group in 2015, 2019 WC as well (lost only 1 group game in these two WCs out of 16), but lost in semis both time, Pak has a shot.

Since the turn of the millennium we have had 5 WCs, this is the 6th. Pak made the SF only once, in 2011. Surely as a Pak fan you'd want at least a SF appearance, just to feel the thrill of that day and the buildup. India regularly goes deep in these tournaments and I must say the anticipation of a WC SF is very exciting, even if my team loses I enjoy the buildup of those games when my team has qualified. T20 WC, WTC, CT, these events don't come close to the 50 overs WC for me. Pak made plenty of SFs in the 1975-1999 period and I am sure the SFs in 1975 WC, 1987 WC are landmark games for you guys even if Pak ended up on the losing side.
 
Markhor said:
I know somebody will say World Cups often consists of luck and teams don't always get the outcomes they deserve.

However I cannot seriously say as a Pakistan fan that we deserve to be in the semifinals given our lacklustre campaign. I cannot seriously say we belong amongst the top four ODI teams on the evidence of this tournament.

Babar especially doesn't deserve any luck given his atrocious captaincy performances, and having already received an almighty helping hand last year at the T20 World Cup.
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Markhor brother you waited for the campaign to start to figure out PAK doesn't deserve the cup?

Lol PAK team was pathetic even before the tournament started.

With Imam, Shadab, Nawaz, accumulators and mediocre "allrounders" galore, we were NEVER in contention to win the cup.

The rankings were, and are, fake for both PAK and Babar + Shaheen.

Now, it's only our luck and "duas" that might make PAK reach the semifinal, and obviously a homeless man can dream of owning a Lamborghini and can win the lotto too.

So, it'll be like winning the lottery if we WIN the tournament. Reaching the semis is not an achievement, but PAK fans are acting like it will be one. That shows we were minnows before the tournament started and we've proven to be minnow level in ODI cricket.
 
But what pakistan will do after reaching to Semi finals? Are we strong enough to win World cup?
 
gazza619 said:
Even if by some miracle Pakistan reaches semis, it will most likely face India and I am not prepared for another mental scaring
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It is not a miracle anymore. England unexpected massively underperformed. That is something nobody saw it coming. That eliminated one threat. Only threat that is left is New zealand now. So it is not that hard from here on. As BD/Ned/SL/Afghan were never in the race to start with. Among the remaining 6 one is very poor. So down to last 2. It is not that hard.
 
Mamoon said:
If NZ bottle it from here, Afghanistan is far more deserving and worthy than Pakistan to take the 4th position.
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No such thing-Its not synchronised swimming.You go through if you are good enough. But I don't think we can do it
 
mikeypbadana86 said:
if afganistgan bats and puts 280-300, SA can crumble since wankhede traditionally offers spin and bounce
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Eng, Pak already with egg on their face for underestimating Afghan and then having to watch scum playing to the galleries and doing bhangra in that defeat.
 
Kroll said:
And this is the crux of the matter, not taking care of Afghan which would ensure qualification if we beat NZ in next game.
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Pakistan didn't really come close to beating Afghanistan though, not sure why anyone is talking about the possibility. The bowling on that day was as bad as it's been in years.
 
Cric_lover4487 said:
I hope Pak don't get overconfident after NZ's performance today. Pak will crumble chasing too. Don't understand why NZ bowled first when you know SA's kryptonite is chasing
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Somehow my conspiracy theorist mind says this was orchestrated by ICC so that the remaining games stay relevant. Maybe too far-fetched but NZ batting second doesn't make sense one bit, maybe a brain fart from them.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
Pakistan didn't really come close to beating Afghanistan though, not sure why anyone is talking about the possibility. The bowling on that day was as bad as it's been in years.
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We didn't but we were expected to beat them comfortably before game began.
 
Afghans beating SA will be quiet a fairytale. But i don't see that happening. Even if SA succumbs to their spin i don't see Afghan batsmen surviving against Jansen/ngidi/Rabada
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Afghans beating SA will be quiet a fairytale. But i don't see that happening. Even if SA succumbs to their spin i don't see Afghan batsmen surviving against Jansen/ngidi/Rabada
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You never know, Afghan is a daler team not kitten like Pak.
 
If (and it's a huge if), Pak beats NZ convincingly and all the other stars point in our favor and we make it to the semis, then I'm confident it will be without Nawaz.

And if it gets to that point, who cares about how pathetic their start to the tournament was? Who cares who they face in the semis. They would have had the momentum of 3 wins on the trot. And that counts for a lot. Yes the planning and execution for the tournament was awful, but it's a long tournament (as NZ are feeling), and if you can pick yourself up and build momentum going into the semi-finals, you're golden.
 
Let’s say NZ bat first and score 250

How many overs will Pakistan have to chase the score to go ahead of NZ on NRR?
 
Hawkeye said:
Very well said @Swashbuckler.

Mohali was huge. I've never seen the atmosphere in PAK/IND like it was in the days leading to the match and then the match day itself.

A lot of emotional attachment and excitement.
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No wonder it turned out to be such a clumsy game qualitywise. Sachin's scratchy innings, Umar Gul losing the plot with the new ball, dropped catches by Pak, Misbah's knock, Younis one of the greatest players of spin bowling mentally freezing against Yuvraj's part time pies in heavy dew conditions, Umar Akmal missing a straight ball after drinks, monster hitters like Afridi and Yuvi getting out to full tosses.

We may sit back and analyze, criticize, make fun of those players, some idiots make fixing allegations, whatever. But truth is they all behaved in a very humanlike way, they aren't robots and the psychological burden because of the buildup and match pressure made everyone out there nervous beyond imagination. That entire game I couldn't sit in one place, was walking continuously and had butterflied in my stomach, can only imagine how difficult things were for those 22 players, with both PMs in attendance and watched by so many with such lofty expectations. No other sportsperson in any discipline would have faced that kind of pressure in the history of sport.

2011 WC, specifically the Indo-Pak SF was the peak of cricket craze/popularity in the 2 countries. Now other avenues of entertainment, common fans from the subcontinent aren't as bothered about losing such games because they always have something else to look forward to. Even now for an Indo-Pak fixture or IPL/PSL final all our countrymen will tune in, but the passion of pre-Mohali days isn't there, most are casual fans and not diehard cricket fanatics. Media trials, violence in stadiums, threats to players, rioting/arson, excessive emotions etc. were more in vogue even 15 years back. In many ways, it is a positive development, treating sport as sport.
 
Sherazkhalid said:
Somehow my conspiracy theorist mind says this was orchestrated by ICC so that the remaining games stay relevant. Maybe too far-fetched but NZ batting second doesn't make sense one bit, maybe a brain fart from them.
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they came close to chasing 380 odd against AUS. Pune was a good hunting ground for chasing, hence the decision. overdoing of stick to your strength than opposition weakness.
 
mikeypbadana86 said:
they came close to chasing 380 odd against AUS. Pune was a good hunting ground for chasing, hence the decision. overdoing of stick to your strength than opposition weakness.
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Agreed they overdid it. And because they're cute cuddly Kiwis who get away with bringing unfit players to warm the bench (can you imagine the ruckus if we had included an injured Naseem), they can get away with it.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
That comes down to how well NZ beats SL assuming they beat them.
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Pak v NZ is first on Saturday

That’s why I ask. How many does Pakistan need or how quickly do they need those runs for Pak to go ahead of NZ on nrr?
 
Rana said:
Pak v NZ is first on Saturday

That’s why I ask. How many does Pakistan need or how quickly do they need those runs for Pak to go ahead of NZ on nrr?
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Pak needs to chase that score around 36 overs to go above nz on nrr
 
AAli98 said:
Pak needs to chase that score around 36 overs to go above nz on nrr
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That’s what they should aim to do

The last thing you want is NZ to have a restricted total against NZ to score on the last game to keep ahead of Pakistan
 
Win your games and you don't have to rely on others.

What a mess this World Cup has been so far for Pakistan.
 
Saj said:
Win your games and you don't have to rely on others.

What a mess this World Cup has been so far for Pakistan.
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Easier said than done. That's what 6 other teams feel right now. Temper your expectations. Wins should not be taken for granted. As Grant (Bradburn) correctly said, "We have no divine right to beat anyone in this tournament."
 
Rana said:
Pak v NZ is first on Saturday

That’s why I ask. How many does Pakistan need or how quickly do they need those runs for Pak to go ahead of NZ on nrr?
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If NZ bowled out for 200 runs Pakistan roughly has to get in 39 overs as per my calculation. Soon someone will publish these details.
 
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