Pakistan's pace factory's revival after almost a decade

[pakfan54588]

Was impressed with Mir Hamza in this QEA Trophy. He swung the ball both ways and bowled good lines/lengths with new ball. We often waste the new ball so although he's not the quickest, I'd pick him and he provides experience to a fairly raw attack.

What do you make of Muhammad umar ?

 

[Bewal Express]

We don't have much options .Use of new ball will be vital in upcoming series against england also england have plenty of left handed batsmen which suit mir hamza who has brilliant record against left handed batsmen

Ghulam Mudassar looks better than him this season but neither is international quality. Mohammed Umar looks better than both with new ball but he is right arm

 

[Markhor]

Muhammad Ali is better.

Statistically the best domestic seamer for last 2 years. Looks good too, and does more with the old ball.

I was just thinking with Shaheen out, we need a like-for-like left arm replacement. Hamza isn't as quick nor tall, but may be a decent stopgap. Haven't seen Muhammad Ali. They both average 24 across the last two seasons (21/22 and 22/23 so far) so a statistical deadheat.

What do you make of Muhammad umar ?

Looks a wholehearted bowler and a handy lower order batsman. My only concern is he bowls with a bent front leg so loses a bit of pace and height. I know it's not the best screengrab but you get the picture.


[MENTION=1269]Bewal Express[/MENTION]

 

[shaz619]

I was just thinking with Shaheen out, we need a like-for-like left arm replacement. Hamza isn't as quick nor tall, but may be a decent stopgap. Haven't seen Muhammad Ali. They both average 24 across the last two seasons (21/22 and 22/23 so far) so a statistical deadheat.



Looks a wholehearted bowler and a handy lower order batsman. My only concern is he bowls with a bent front leg so loses a bit of pace and height. I know it's not the best screengrab but you get the picture.

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[MENTION=1269]Bewal Express[/MENTION]

Every one and their dog have amazing numbers in FC cricket there, are the pitched any better or are they still bowling on green tops ?

 

[topspin]

Was impressed with Mir Hamza in this QEA Trophy. He swung the ball both ways and bowled good lines/lengths with new ball. We often waste the new ball so although he's not the quickest, I'd pick him and he provides experience to a fairly raw attack.

Good suggestion. Other than Shaheen (and perhaps Naseem), we do lack in options when it comes to good conventional swing bowling/new ball specialist.

 

[JibranAnsari]

Ghulam mudassar doesnt have good numbers or control but he in the domestic season i think he got the ball to swing the most with the new ball.

Mohammad Umar is another good bowler with a lot of control.

 

[Bewal Express]

I was just thinking with Shaheen out, we need a like-for-like left arm replacement. Hamza isn't as quick nor tall, but may be a decent stopgap. Haven't seen Muhammad Ali. They both average 24 across the last two seasons (21/22 and 22/23 so far) so a statistical deadheat.



Looks a wholehearted bowler and a handy lower order batsman. My only concern is he bowls with a bent front leg so loses a bit of pace and height. I know it's not the best screengrab but you get the picture.

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[MENTION=1269]Bewal Express[/MENTION]

It's interesting that he bends his front leg( I didn't see that) that much and no doubt he would lose a bit pace and definitely some bounce. What he does is good movement away from the bat at decent pace, around 83-85 mph.

 

[Nasty Naz]

Muhammad Ali is better.

Statistically the best domestic seamer for last 2 years. Looks good too, and does more with the old ball.

Agreed. In terms of pace bowler, him and Umar have been the standouts. Both do a good job of hitting the right line and length and seem to bowl around 135 clicks.

It’s been a lot of younger and inexperienced bowlers that have been given a go this season and it’s probably why there haven’t been that many standouts. Pakistan will be in a very tough position given the upcoming Test matches and no Shaheen. Hope they can produce spinning tracks and give Abrar/Nawaz/Gohar a go to take wickets.

 

[shamaan]

He looks fitter than before but still lacks the extra fitness to allow him to shout loudly to the selectors

Hopefully keeps working on his fitness and keeps taking wickets would be good addition to the test squad.

 

[shamaan]

Struggling with form this season. Took just 2 wickets in 3 FC matches for KPK and then was sent to 2nd XI and picked 1 wicket in 2 matches.

That's really poor could be that the pitches are that dead that he isn't getting assistance at all..

 

[shamaan]

It's interesting that he bends his front leg( I didn't see that) that much and no doubt he would lose a bit pace and definitely some bounce. What he does is good movement away from the bat at decent pace, around 83-85 mph.

Thats going to cause him knee problems ain't it ?

 

[muqarrab]

Lesson: Rameez is out to destroy pakistan cricket. TI was his idea in 00's to have pitches that assited bolwers, once we did a reset post ejaz butt, we are seeing the rewards now.

Wasim in his latest biography Sultan, doesn't paint Rameez, and how he had gotten ahead in life, in a very good light.

 

[Bewal Express]

Thats going to cause him knee problems ain't it ?

Not always but some do have real problems. But it can't be changed as its part of his makeup

 

[shamaan]

Not always but some do have real problems. But it can't be changed as its part of his makeup

Fair enough.

 

[Kianig89]

The reason for the pedestrian attack sometime back was that management wasnot brave ve enough to give chances to express pacers/attacking bowlers henceforth we persistedwith trundlers like Aizaz Cheema, Tanvir Ahmed Sohail Khan Rahat Ali
Whereas express bowlers like Talha and Ahmed Jamal were ignored, some deserving swing bowlers like Sadaf Hussain were also ignored which still remains a mystery till date

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Think it's time to revive this thread. What's the update on the pace factory revival in Pakistan?

The class of 2019 as mentioned in the OP

Shaheen
Naseem
Musa
Akif
Hasnain
Rauf
Sameen

I'll throw Dahani in there as well.

Have they taken off ?

Or are we waiting for the next class of pacers in the era of revival ?

 

[Mesozoic]

Sad to see brother @Titan24 's absence on PP these days.

Looks like he too has given up on the Pak team

 

[The Bald Eagle]

The pace factory has gone on snooze again

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

Think it's time to revive this thread. What's the update on the pace factory revival in Pakistan?

The class of 2019 as mentioned in the OP

Shaheen
Naseem
Musa
Akif
Hasnain
Rauf
Sameen

I'll throw Dahani in there as well.

Have they taken off ?

Or are we waiting for the next class of pacers in the era of revival ?

I remember when Shoaib Akhtar made his debut in 97. Wasim and Waqar on either side guiding him.

It's fascinating that at the time I thought this would always be the standard. I didn't know anything else. My first memories was Imran Khan taking a 5-fer.

The day Umar Gul made his debut I knew it was over. I was suprised to see Asif and Amir emerge but as fate willed, it was shortlived and it was back to the abyss.

 

[offstump]

The factory has shut down due to a shortage of parts

 

[ravisurya]

Think it's time to revive this thread. What's the update on the pace factory revival in Pakistan?

The class of 2019 as mentioned in the OP

Shaheen
Naseem
Musa
Akif
Hasnain
Rauf
Sameen

I'll throw Dahani in there as well.

Have they taken off ?

Or are we waiting for the next class of pacers in the era of revival ?

That line up of bowlers is just wow, can you imagine everyone one of those capable of bowling upwards of bowling 150kmph and blowing away the opposition. Pakistan truly are blessed and have ab unending supplying of fast bowlers. But unfortunately politics and poor selection is holding the team back by now selection the right players. If only the selectors were unbiased and selected abd played all the forementioned 7 fast bowlers in the lineup then no team sill stand in front of Pakistan. Ofcourse the evil BCCICC are to blame for this too but the talent is unquestionable.

 

[TheSultan]

it’s best to keep this thread updated because I don’t know where half of these bowlers have gone.

Hasnain - last I heard he was injured. Status please?

Akif - looked good in one of the PSLs, then had an injury. Where is he?

Ihsanullah? Not on the list. What’s the status of his injury?

 

[jnaveen1980]

Are these bowlers T20 bowlers?

 

[Buffet]

Think it's time to revive this thread. What's the update on the pace factory revival in Pakistan?

The class of 2019 as mentioned in the OP

Shaheen
Naseem
Musa
Akif
Hasnain
Rauf
Sameen

I'll throw Dahani in there as well.

Have they taken off ?

Or are we waiting for the next class of pacers in the era of revival ?

Did they play test for Pakistan? I don't remember some names.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Did they play test for Pakistan? I don't remember some names.

No. Just prospects.

 

[ghalib kichlu]

Ali raza
Ubaid shah
Wasim jnr
Arshad iqbal

They should all be in the team

We need more players like abrar who will bowl 50 overs In a day without complaining unlike naseem bad pitch shah

 

[batandballbattle]

Factory products are looking defective nowadays. Most out of form or have physios as their best mates

 

[FastBowlingAllrounder]

it’s best to keep this thread updated because I don’t know where half of these bowlers have gone.

Hasnain - last I heard he was injured. Status please?

Akif - looked good in one of the PSLs, then had an injury. Where is he?

Ihsanullah? Not on the list. What’s the status of his injury?

When we start to list names and quantify the impact that PCB's poor medical practices have had on certain players' development, it's truly shocking.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Factory has gone bankrupt and now IMF is not giving more loans to run it. Qudrat ka nizam has also not in their favor anymore.

 

[Muhammad Saad]

Factory has gone bankrupt and now IMF is not giving more loans to run it. Qudrat ka nizam has also not in their favor anymore.

We just produced three 86-89mph bowlers in the last U19 Worldcup, it's alive and kicking but there is no polish left in the factory warehouse to actually polish the end product.

 

[Muhammad Saad]

Well to be honest most Pace bowlers have peak pace life of 3/4 years in which if he is quick enough he can touch 150k+ after that it's the usual 137-145k mark territory and more skill and experience with the ball to get wickets and keep performing. It's the later part in which our bowler just doesn't develop enough skills and stamina to be remain relevant.

 

[Muhammad Saad]

See Bhumrah, Siraj , Cummins , Shami , Rabada , they all past their peak pace life and usually operate between 137-145k give or take but they have upped their skills and stamina to be in the list of top bowlers.

 

[Muhammad Saad]

Shaheen need a strong kick and let him play domestic cricket and let him retrospect that he is not a 150k+ bowler anymore and he is past his prime pace and now instead of trying to bowl very full and fast leg stump line he has to use his brain in order to up his skills for any format.

 

[Theanonymousone]

See Bhumrah, Siraj , Cummins , Shami , Rabada , they all past their peak pace life and usually operate between 137-145k give or take but they have upped their skills and stamina to be in the list of top bowlers.

Hope this reaches the PCB administration.

Very sensible post. Pace bowling is not only about pure pace. No bowler had proper control at 150k+. All the bowlers now who bowls at that pace get spanked left and right. Even Brett Lee, Shoaib Akthar, Shaun Tait etc did not get their majority of wickets due to pace. With express pace, they can easily set up the batsmen for yorkers/bouncers but you need skill for that.

 

[asifp]

See Bhumrah, Siraj , Cummins , Shami , Rabada , they all past their peak pace life and usually operate between 137-145k give or take but they have upped their skills and stamina to be in the list of top bowlers.

Cause they focused ok fitness. Our guys are all unfit and unfocused. They are just the kings of social media

 

[ravisurya]

Atleast from the Test series it looked like Bangla Fast bowlers were head and shoulders above the Pakistani counterparts.

 

[cricketcricket79]

This is after a long time that Pak has got 5-6 pacers with such potential. Since 2007 Pak didnt produce a lot of great prospects except Asif and Amir. Unfortunately Amir and Asif cut short their career due to their own faults, while Amir is back but nothing can undo the damage those 5 years of no training did to his bowling muscles and forcing him to retire from tests. Junaid looked decent at the start but then knee injury and problems effected him a lot.

At this point of time we have:

Shaheen Shah Afridi (19)
Naseem Shah (16)
Muhammad Musa (18)
Mohammad Hasnain (19)
Akif Javed (19)
Haris Rauf (24)
Sameen Gul (20)

With the legacy of Sarfaraz Nawaz, Fazal Mehmood, Imran Khan, Wasim Akram, Waqar Younus, Shoaib Akhtar, it took long time for Pakistan but atleast we have few real prospects at our hand. The biggest gap in this pace factory was from 2010-2016 with almost nothing after Asif and Amir.

Yes we have had Umar Gul, Mohammad Sami, Shabir Ahmed, Abul Rauf, Wahab Riaz and few other decent bowlers in between but they werent of the class associated with Pakistani bowlers.

Even if couple of the bowlers I have mentioned turn out to be of international class, it can do world of good for Pakistan in the next decade or two as for the decades of 80s and 90s only Imran, Wasim, Waqar and Shoaib were enough to cover the whole period.

More like the hype factory now looking back. Lots of flash, not much substance (so far). There is time still so there is time to deliver still.