Pakistan's Under-19 batting talent is extremely poor

[mkyawar]

As usual pakistan are 30/3 inside 10 overs. Let us accept the face that we will be like this for the next 3-4 decades. Not an over reaction.

 

[Syed1]

The last team had a whole bunch of attacking batsmen like Zeeshan Malik, Saif Badar etc.... this time the selectors selected all "proper" batsmen. Reaping the rewards of selection policies.

 

[kingusama92]

This batting order looks like it has 11 tailenders.

 

[deems]

Absolutely disgusting. No intent shown at all. No application. They're playing like 9 year olds.
Mentally very weak, gave up after conceding above 200.

 

[troodon]

SAme old story. Good bowling and poor batting.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

SAme old story. Good bowling and poor batting.

Not really. Our last U19 team batting was pretty good. Bowling was ordinary.

 

[angrypathan]

It's nonexistent

 

[Sin Nombre]

Reaching the semis is a good accomplishment.

 

[angrypathan]

Reaching the semis is a good accomplishment.

Minnow mentality

 

[subbu]

41-6 now 20 overs

i think its more due to pressure

 

[angrypathan]

41-6 now 20 overs

i think its more due to pressure

Self induced pressure due to a lack of intent up front. But mostly just due to a lack of talent and skills

 

[ManFan]

There is pressure put on by themselves. Captain English is out. 45-7 now. Hope this guys get eggs thrown on their way back home.

 

[moghul]

School level cricketers, not even club level.

 

[sjahmed23]

There is pressure put on by themselves. Captain English is out. 45-7 now. Hope this guys get eggs thrown on their way back home.

What lol they are just kids give them a break lol. If the senior team can afford to lose 5-0 due to batting collapse then surely these young guys can have an off day or two. Those who should have eggs thrown at them are the admins who have been running Pak cricket for 20+ years for failing to address the biggest elaphant in the room, our batting. Rather than putting blame on fitness (which is not international standard, I'll admit) they have yet to unearth or develop a world class batsman.

 

[iHammad]

Seems like we'll be struggling in the batting department for many years to come

 

[shane]

I am not sure "talent" is the right word.

 

[MMHS]

PCB needs to appoint few Level 3 pro coaches from IND or ENG for NCA, to work with genuine U18 boys - Basit Alis are not working. Batting collapse is one thing, it can happen but didn't like the approach, style, technique, balance - every batting fundamental was missing and none of them has any shot outside off!!!!!!

 

[Chief Destroyer]

It's not a big deal. Just terrible selection from Inzi and co. I'm confident we can easily find better U-19 batsmen.

 

[OneTip-OneHand]

PCB needs to appoint few Level 3 pro coaches from IND or ENG for NCA, to work with genuine U18 boys - Basit Alis are not working. Batting collapse is one thing, it can happen but didn't like the approach, style, technique, balance - every batting fundamental was missing and none of them has any shot outside off!!!!!!

In current scenario its highly unlikely that any Indian would take the job. Same with English because coaching job will be requiring a longer period of time being spent in pakistan. PCB should approach someone like Mahela or Sanga for the role. SL cricketers have had softer approach towards visiting Pakistan. Pay them handsomely rather than wasting money on something like law suit against BCCI.

 

[Abdullah719]

It's not a big deal. Just terrible selection from Inzi and co. I'm confident we can easily find better U-19 batsmen.

Basit Ali and co.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Basit Ali and co.

Okay, that makes sense. He's even worse.

 

[mmkextreme_1]

Pathetic pathetic performance.

Utter shameful, just don't understand why we can't develop batsmen like India does :/

 

[mmkextreme_1]

Basit Ali and co.

Here in lies the problem. We won't be fixing anything until we have proper coaching/administration.

Same crap, different cup!

 

[OneTip-OneHand]

Pathetic pathetic performance.

Utter shameful, just don't understand why we can't develop batsmen like India does :/

Rahul Dravid is a big factor i think. Not just batting but the professionalism and approach.

 

[IAJ]

Wow, beaten by 203 runs, what a phainty

 

[MMHS]

In current scenario its highly unlikely that any Indian would take the job. Same with English because coaching job will be requiring a longer period of time being spent in pakistan. PCB should approach someone like Mahela or Sanga for the role. SL cricketers have had softer approach towards visiting Pakistan. Pay them handsomely rather than wasting money on something like law suit against BCCI.

For U19 cricketer, you need more Ramakant Achrekar than Sachin Tendulkar as coach - someone who should teach the kids batting fundamentals, for which I think it's more important to have coaches with know how of batting grammar. Mahela can be a fantastic coach for National and may be A team (non - existent), where he'll work with seasoned pros - at least 3/4 years veteran from FC cricket. From their experience they would do more of mentoring, rather than teaching A, B, C. One example - PAK batsmen were sitting ducks against short ball in recent ODI series, which I didn't like from Grant - there was no effort to counter, neither any attempt to play unconventional shots (like upper-cut, those are 50+ metre ground) - you can't teach 30 years old high elbow, steady hand, eye & toe on line .... but you can't make proper batsman unless they complete that grammar by teen age.

I think, unless BCCI blocks, there will be many Indian coaches, particularly from Punjab or Gujrat would love to work at NCA Lahore - just one hour flight from home, even less. Arthur is staying in Lahore, therefore don't think it's impossible to hire MCC Pro badge Level 3 coach, may be for short term camps several times a year.

In short, this Basit Ali model won't work - BCB hired several junior level batting coaches from SRL & IND - none from PAK ... and that's before Sheikh Hasina - it can't be politics. Not famous name, just proper batting coaches from MCC Coaching Manual.

 

[mmkextreme_1]

Rahul Dravid is a big factor i think. Not just batting but the professionalism and approach.

Totally agree.

On the other hand, we have losers such as Basit Ali coaching these youngsters. Having a person of Dravid stature coaching is a dream come true for a lot of these youngsters.

 

[Madplayer]

Rahul Dravid is a big factor i think. Not just batting but the professionalism and approach.

Pakistan wishes they had a coach like dravid for their kids. Pakistani coaches are rubbish.

Trigger movement towards offside and then crouch. Thats all the Pakistani coaches tell their batsmen to do.

 

[Oneking]

Pakistan wishes they had a coach like dravid for their kids. Pakistani coaches are rubbish.

Trigger movement towards offside and then crouch. Thats all the Pakistani coaches tell their batsmen to do.

Is it just me or did someone else notice Pakistani batsmen bat size was more for stroke play, not much wood in them and they were trying to go over top .

 

[charlie007]

Pathetic pathetic performance.

Utter shameful, just don't understand why we can't develop batsmen like India does :/

It's the batting culture in India. Technique not flamboyance was the factor that drove the coaching. In my younger days, our coach would have us run 3 rounds of the ground every time we played an airy shot!
You'll find more technically correct batsmen than flamboyant, especially those coming from an organized coaching structure. Things are changing a bit due to the influence of limited overs cricket, but the foundation of organized technically correct batting is pretty well grounded. Unfortunately, we are seeing over the years that playing spin is becoming bit of a coin toss for a lot of players - all influence of LO cricket. But hey, we'll take the good with the bad!

 

[Moh@n]

Totally agree.

On the other hand, we have losers such as Basit Ali coaching these youngsters. Having a person of Dravid stature coaching is a dream come true for a lot of these youngsters.

Basit was the selector, not the coach. I think the coach this time was Mansoor Rana, who actually won you the cup in 2006 IIRC.

To be fair, Basit Ali was a gutsy batsman in his playing days. He used to turn up against India regularly in ODIs.

 

[mmkextreme_1]

To be fair, Basit Ali was a gutsy batsman in his playing days. He used to turn up against India regularly in ODIs.

Still, in terms of coaching, he is obviously nowhere near top quality. Does he even have coaching credentials? It's one of those classic cases of, fool me once shame on you, fool me twice...you get the point.

This guy has been a constant failure. Need a proper setup or such loses will keep happening.

 

[sjahmed23]

Here in lies the problem. We won't be fixing anything until we have proper coaching/administration.

Same crap, different cup!

That guy is nuts. Everytime I watched him on TV he said cringeworthy stuff always talking about good old days in the 90s. We need to get rid of these nostalgic ex cricketers who are stuck in the 90s. The game is moved on but we are constantly being reminded of the 90s. I wouldn't be surprised if these young cricketers are lectured daily about how javid miandad used to play (single double) or how wasim akram won us the world cup, these kids werent even alive to see them play!

Need a totally different approach and fresh faces. I would like to see someone other than bitter old nostalgic cricketers mentoring the young cricketers.

 

[MMHS]

Basit was the selector, not the coach. I think the coach this time was Mansoor Rana, who actually won you the cup in 2006 IIRC.

To be fair, Basit Ali was a gutsy batsman in his playing days. He used to turn up against India regularly in ODIs.

Congrats for the promotion ....

Basit Ali isn't mentally stable for such roles - if ever have the chance, listen to him for 2 minutes (if you can keep concentration). He retired with Latif on alleged fixing issues, then come back to play under same Captain (& with players he called names), finally got dropped and started to shoot every one.

Last I can recall is he resigned (or threatened to resign), as junior/ladies coach/selector ..... if YK wasn't considered for WC ........

 

[The All Rounder]

Congrats for the promotion ....

Basit Ali isn't mentally stable for such roles - if ever have the chance, listen to him for 2 minutes (if you can keep concentration). He retired with Latif on alleged fixing issues, then come back to play under same Captain (& with players he called names), finally got dropped and started to shoot every one.

Last I can recall is he resigned (or threatened to resign), as junior/ladies coach/selector ..... if YK wasn't considered for WC ........

Basit Ali and Rashid Latif, even if you will send them to an empty room, they will come out fighting with the Air.

 

[pillionrider]

Basit was the selector, not the coach. I think the coach this time was Mansoor Rana, who actually won you the cup in 2006 IIRC.

To be fair, Basit Ali was a gutsy batsman in his playing days. He used to turn up against India regularly in ODIs.

You just have to watch his TV shows to know what kind of a personality he has.

I remember a Wasim Akram interview where he talked of Basit's arrogance before Pak toured West Indies when he was big talking that he would score hundreds for fun. Apparently this infuriated Wasim who said something like - "I didn't say anything because I knew the West Indies bowlers will show him his actual talents."

 

[charlie007]

Basit Ali is a king of conspiracy theories. He will create one out of nowhere.

Unfortunately, people in our part of the world only consider successful players as successful coaches, which is not true. You may have a great career but still not be a great coach. I would like to see a psychologist as a coach some day

 

[pillionrider]

On topic, whatever was evident in the highlights seemed more like the team had come apart mentally with the pressure. Historically, Pakistan has rarely produced technically aesthetic looking batsmen, so you need to look at their batsmen a little differently.

But if this is the reality of Pak U-19 talent, the usual suspect posters here can spend the next few years twiddling their thumbs and putting down Kohli if nothing else

 

[IAJ]

Any tweet from Najam Sethi?

 

[ispartan]

Pakistan wishes they had a coach like dravid for their kids. Pakistani coaches are rubbish.

Trigger movement towards offside and then crouch. Thats all the Pakistani coaches tell their batsmen to do.

Pakistan can have someone like Younis Khan as under19 coach. I know that would be something ideal and may be costly for PCB, but altleast have people who have played international cricket like Moin Khan,Mohsin Khan or Ijaz Ahmed,Bazid Khan. Mansoor Rana was the coach of Pakistan A team when Misbah ul Haq used to play for Pak A.

 

[MMHS]

Pakistan can have someone like Younis Khan as under19 coach. I know that would be something ideal and may be costly for PCB, but altleast have people who have played international cricket like Moin Khan,Mohsin Khan or Ijaz Ahmed,Bazid Khan. Mansoor Rana was the coach of Pakistan A team when Misbah ul Haq used to play for Pak A.

His own technique is unconventional, if not poor - what he'll teach to kids? Copy book batting grammar doesn't ensure greatness, but without that fundamentals, one kid doesn't even have a shot at it.

 

[ispartan]

U can call it unconventional but not poor. YK is one of the best batsmen pakistan has produced(saying this as an Indian fan). Bob Woolmer was not the greatest batsmen but did help Md Yousuf improve his technique against incoming deliveries from left handed fast bowlers. Why I am saying having these players as mentors is they have genuine international experience and can be batting mentors of upcoming batsmen. They know what international arena is all about. For a eighteen year old it makes a huge difference when you have a batsmen like YK as your mentor instead of someone who has played one or two matches.

 

[Mamoon]

The outcome of the SF has only exhibited the gap between the two cricket nations which is only going to widen in the future.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

The outcome of the SF has only exhibited the gap between the two cricket nations which is only going to widen in the future.

Only in batting I think.

 

[Xoib]

The outcome of the SF has only exhibited the gap between the two cricket nations which is only going to widen in the future.

this is a poor U 19 batch they got whipped by Afghans thrice I will not read too much in to this.

 

[Deewana Mastana]

This batting order looks like it has 11 tailenders.

Truth is bitter.

 

[Deewana Mastana]

The outcome of the SF has only exhibited the gap between the two cricket nations which is only going to widen in the future.

This is it.

 

[Deewana Mastana]

Only in batting I think.

In bowling too, the resources you have are far more better and stronger.

 

[UN talkz]

Any tweet from Najam Sethi?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Good that U19 team fought its way into semi finals. But disappointed at big loss to old enemy. Weaknesses will be fixed before next WC 2020. Never say die!</p>— Najam Sethi (@najamsethi) <a href="https://twitter.com/najamsethi/status/958238635035414528?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 30, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Nikhil_cric]

In bowling too, the resources you have are far more better and stronger.

Maybe Anukul is a better spinning prospect but the pace stocks are not superior. Atleast not imo. Time will tell though .

 

[ShahidDar08]

Only one player impressed, Zaid Alam, though he underachieved. Rest all batsmen were mediocre through out the tournament. Zaryab plays too slow, but has a solid defence.

 

[AAli98]

If these guys are hafeez maliks replacements rather stick with Hafeez & co. At least theyl get u a usefull 30 odd here & there.

The youngsters can hardly hold a bat.

 

[in_cutter]

Any tweet from Najam Sethi?

No but he has promised improvements for the 2020 WC. The usual bakwaas.

 

[kingusama92]

Next U19 WC is in South Africa?

 

[anindo]

Not sure why the batsmen struggled so much against the Indian pacers. They must be used to playing Shaheen and Musa in the nets who bowl at a similar pace but they looked totally out of depth.

 

[Bleedgreen4ever]

The last team had a whole bunch of attacking batsmen like Zeeshan Malik, Saif Badar etc.... this time the selectors selected all "proper" batsmen. Reaping the rewards of selection policies.

Not really none of the batsmen you mentioned did anything substantial against good oppositions in 2016.

Our best U19 teams were in 2010 and 2014 and unfortunate for us none of them could win the WC

 

[rudra]

But your fast bowling talent was second best in the tournament.
Impressed with musa and shaheen (had an off day).

 

[SM1989]

ABsolutely pathetic showing. If this is the future of Pakistan cricket, then be ready for more bottling at the grand stage.

 

[the Great Khan]

to be a good coach you need to be able to speak to a child..Have you ever come across a teacher who knows how to talk to a child in Pakistan? they are a rare breed..

My son goes to a local cricket academy and when we used to mess about in the garden his favourite shot was the cross batted swipe to the leg side..couldnt play in the V or on the offside to save his life..

guess what...he plays a decent on drive and can hit in the V now..coached by an Indian..enuff said..

We should simply accept the fact that india will always produce better batsmen than us..Bowling we can handle, but batting we should look and learn from our neighbours..

But we wont..we have lullu punju gully cricketers in charge at all levels..their education levels are mediocre, their cricketing sense is zero, they cant coach, cant speak to their pupils and think they know everything..

 

[the Great Khan]

ABsolutely pathetic showing. If this is the future of Pakistan cricket, then be ready for more bottling at the grand stage.

chill..they arent the only batters in Pakistan..if you find one or two players from this U19 setup that will be ok...Our U19 setup is normally ok but this batch is useless so best to look at the grassroots..but that wont happen so just do dua..

 

[Hasan123]

Our batting at this level is even worse than at senior level. Are these guys really the best in the country? Something needs to be done at grassroots level.

 

[Bleedgreen4ever]

Our batting at this level is even worse than at senior level. Are these guys really the best in the country? Something needs to be done at grassroots level.

Yes they are the best in the country and they made it ahead of NZ,Eng,SA,WI,Sri Lanka etc.in adverse conditions

They deserve credit for that but today was utter rubbish.

Our sides in 2014 and 2010 performed really well because majority of the players had FC experience.

 

[Hasan123]

Yes they are the best in the country and they made it ahead of NZ,Eng,SA,WI,Sri Lanka etc.in adverse conditions

They deserve credit for that but today was utter rubbish.

Our sides in 2014 and 2010 performed really well because majority of the players had FC experience.

Surely there has to he better in the country than this. No fight what so ever today in a big game.

 

[asfandyar]

The Pak U19 team also fell to a double digit score in the final against Afghanistan a few days back in a tournament where India failed to reach the finals. How the tides have turned!

 

[navin]

The Pak U19 team also fell to a double digit score in the final against Afghanistan a few days back in a tournament where India failed to reach the finals. How the tides have turned!

India didn't play with the same team

 

[UN talkz]

The Pak U19 team also fell to a double digit score in the final against Afghanistan a few days back in a tournament where India failed to reach the finals. How the tides have turned!

India was playing their B team in Asia Cup

 

[moghul]

The worst under 19 batting from Pakistan ever , since I'm watching under 19 WC, 2004. Papua New Gunie batting was better. I'm not seeing a bright future for Pak cricket, not in batting at least.

 

[JaDed]

to be a good coach you need to be able to speak to a child..Have you ever come across a teacher who knows how to talk to a child in Pakistan? they are a rare breed..

My son goes to a local cricket academy and when we used to mess about in the garden his favourite shot was the cross batted swipe to the leg side..couldnt play in the V or on the offside to save his life..

guess what...he plays a decent on drive and can hit in the V now..coached by an Indian..enuff said..

We should simply accept the fact that india will always produce better batsmen than us..Bowling we can handle, but batting we should look and learn from our neighbours..

But we wont..we have lullu punju gully cricketers in charge at all levels..their education levels are mediocre, their cricketing sense is zero, they cant coach, cant speak to their pupils and think they know everything..

I always enjoy your posts about your son

 

[English August]

The worst under 19 batting from Pakistan ever , since I'm watching under 19 WC, 2004. Papua New Gunie batting was better. I'm not seeing a bright future for Pak cricket, not in batting at least.

Jokes going around in Indian WhatsApp: "Highest score in Pak innings was 18. Looks like they totally misunderstood the meaning of Under-19!!!"

 

[Madplayer]

But your fast bowling talent was second best in the tournament.
Impressed with musa and shaheen (had an off day).

Who was the best?

 

[Moh@n]

Still, in terms of coaching, he is obviously nowhere near top quality. Does he even have coaching credentials?

I don't think Rahul Dravid has any coaching credentials either.

 

[the Great Khan]

I always enjoy your posts about your son

Ive challenged him to hit some big shots this and if he does he gets a Lego mini figure..

But guess what he loves fast bowling lol..hit another kid on his toe with a yorker then sent a beamer towards his head lol..I'm hoping some of that indian batting discipline will help him..Fast bowling I just show him waqar younis videos..lol

 

[JaDed]

Ive challenged him to hit some big shots this and if he does he gets a Lego mini figure..

But guess what he loves fast bowling lol..hit another kid on his toe with a yorker then sent a beamer towards his head lol..I'm hoping some of that indian batting discipline will help him..Fast bowling I just show him waqar younis videos..lol

Guess the bowling is natural ,and bribing started early , remember when my dad said he would get me ps-1 if I get 95% ,and I couldn't .

 

[silent ischemia]

Maybe Younis Khan can do a similar job. I remember Tauqeer Zia and Ramiz Raja started a program at the grass-root level and ran an inter-school tournament. I remember Anwar Ali was one of the stars of that tournament and in a subsequent under 19 WC he won us the cup. So where there is a will there is a way

 

[King-Misbah]

No but he has promised improvements for the 2020 WC. The usual bakwaas.

In shallah he won't be here in 2020.

 

[Saj]

None of the batsmen in the Pakistan squad look very good to me.

If this is the best we have in this age range then the future does not look very bright.

 

[Sher Khan]

None of the batsmen in the Pakistan squad look very good to me.

If this is the best we have in this age range then the future does not look very bright.

The quality of batsmen is definetly declining in Pakistan. But I'm hopeful as Sethi has promised improvements before the 2020 under 19 wc. So far, his shown more output than any of his predecessors as PCB chairman.

 

[Savak]

None of the batsmen in the Pakistan squad look very good to me.

If this is the best we have in this age range then the future does not look very bright.

The decline in our batting in domestic cricket has definately a lot to do with the massive deterioration in our domestic cricket wickets in the last 10 years.

The PCB finances have been hit hard where they are just not able to make the massive injections in domestic cricket and the money to attract the top most talent to fix things.

Miandad was the DG in the PCB earnings an exorbitant salary for 5-6 years. How he did not use this opportunity to return something to Pakistan Cricket, to do something for Domestic Cricketers, to scout for bright batting talents will forever be a blot on his name.

 

[the Great Khan]

Guess the bowling is natural ,and bribing started early , remember when my dad said he would get me ps-1 if I get 95% ,and I couldn't .

lol, he has earned one lego figure now he's trying to get another..his next challenge is to bowl me out on a full cricket pitch..lets see if he can manage it. I will keep you posted..

 

[WengerOut]

I found Rohail promising