Panamagate Case: Supreme Court disqualifies Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif in unanimous verdict

[saeedhk]

True and imagine a man like Aitzaz who spent 5 decades in PPP standing behind Bilawal now? What a Joke

He is a very capable person; he wasted his life standing behind corrupt leaders. The only person in PPP whom I listen to. A top man!

Yes, that is shameful. Him behind Billo.

 

[WebGuru]

He is a very capable person; he wasted his life standing behind corrupt leaders. The only person in PPP whom I listen to. A top man!

Yes, that is shameful. Him behind Billo.

True he had far more to offer for this nation but he settled for less and wasted his life.

 

[WebGuru]

 

[Strike!]

Judges really grilled Ishaq Dar and NAB yesterday, will be interesting to see what proofs they provide on Monday.

 

[WebGuru]

 

[chacha kashmiri]

That's a nice sketch
What does it resemble?

 

[WebGuru]

That's a nice sketch
What does it resemble?

Nawaz Sharif trying to save his kids with another Qatari letter.

 

[WebGuru]

You want to see a really sold media? Check Jang/Geo. Now they are even editing the pieces by their journalists to please rulers if there is not already enough in favor of ruling family.

Check this gem

 

[WebGuru]

Hussain says Maryam acted as his ‘signatory’

ISLAMABAD: New documents submitted by the Sharif family before the Supreme Court have created another twist in the Panamagate case. Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif’s son Hussain Nawaz has now claimed that his sister, Maryam Safdar, was acting as his ‘authorised signatory/representative’ in matters pertaining to management of two offshore companies – Nielsen and Nescoll – that own the Sharifs’ London flats.

The PM’s sons – Hussain and Hassan – through their counsel Salman Akram Raja on Thursday submitted an additional statement along with documentary evidences to establish the money trail for acquiring their London flats. The PTI, while submitting few documentary evidences, has claimed that Maryam is the beneficial owner of both London flats.

The Sharif family had earlier denied the PTI’s claim in the fresh statement by saying that the so-called documents, showing Maryam as a beneficial owner of the companies, were forged. However, the family, in its fresh statement has further elaborated the role of Maryam regarding the ownership of London properties. The statement says that Hussain requested his sister to act as his authorised signatory/representative in the matter pertaining to management of Nielsen and Nescoll.

For this purpose, it was decided to appoint M/s Minerva Trust Corporate Services Limited, Minerva Nominees Limited, Minerva Services Limited and Minerva Officer Limited – companies regulated by the Jersey Financial Services Commission – as service providers with respect to both the offshore companies after Hussain acquired their shares.

Consequently, Samba Financial Group – with which the family of Hussain Nawaz had banking relations – was requested to introduce Maryam to Minerva. This resulted in the letter dated December 3, 2005 addressed by Samba Financial Group to Minerva.

“At the time of the letter… Hussain had not acquired possession or ownership of the shares of Nielsen and Nescoll. Hussain met with the director of Minerva, U Sahai, in January 2006 in order to finalise the appointment of Minerva. He requested his sister Maryam to act as his authorised signatory and to communicate his instructions to Minerva,” says the statement.

Interestingly, in another document attached by the PM’s family and tagged as ‘Trust Deed’ between Maryam and Hussain, there is no mention of the former’s role as an authorised signatory in the affairs of these companies.

The Sharif family, in their earlier statement, also did not reveal that Maryam was given the role of authorised signatory. Likewise, in a second letter from a Qatari prince, the Sharif family claimed that it invested 12 million dirhams in cash in real estate business, suggesting that there was no money trail left behind, as no banking channels were used for these transactions.

In 1980, the PM’s father, Mian Mohammad Sharif, made an investment of approximately twelve million dirhams ($3.25 million) in the real estate business of the Al-Thani family. However, the investments and subsequent earnings from it showed some interesting patterns. It seemed that every fortune of the Sharif family was emanating from this Qatari investment.

The documents showed that within five years of investment the Sharif family earned $3.7 million, which was even more than its original investment. The Sharifs have also shown proceeds of the investment as source of every investment that they made in the UK.

Another interesting thing is that in the twenty years from 1980 to 2000, the Sharif family did not claim the profits from their investment and the first withdrawal was made in 2000 when it took away $8 million and paid for Al-Towfeeq Investments.



Source: http://tribune.com.pk/story/1310213/hussain-says-maryam-acted-signatory/

 

[WebGuru]

Stories, Letters and thn more Stories...

Check the new story about sigfnatures after second latter [MENTION=21699]Pakpak[/MENTION] [MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION] [MENTION=1269]Bewal Express[/MENTION] [MENTION=57576]MRSN[/MENTION]

 

[saeedhk]

Lies and more lies. Experts saying it is easy to spot the lies.

You never know, NS may get disqualified.

 

[Bewal Express]

I see the humiliation they are receiving on the forums but for Nooras it's water of a ducks back. In the end, I don't think its makes any difference, at least 3 judges have been brought.

 

[WebGuru]

Ishaq Dar's confession in Hudaibiya scam case can be used against PM, Supreme Court

ISLAMABAD: The National Accountability Bureau (NAB) on Monday claimed before the apex court that Finance Minister Ishaq Dar was the prosecution witness in the Rs1.2 billion Hudaibiya scam case against the Sharif family.

During the hearing of the Panamagate case, NAB prosecutor general Waqas Kabir Dar submitted a hand-written application by the finance minister to chairman NAB seeking pardon in April 2000.

According to Waqas, Dar had also submitted a confessional statement with the written application in which he said his involvement in the Sharif family’s money laundering case was out of free will. Following this, Dar was granted pardon on April 25, 2000.

Justice Ejaz Afzal Khan observed that Dar’s confessional statement could be used against Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif as circumstantial evidence.

The Supreme Court on Friday directed NAB to inform the apex court whether Dar was conditionally or unconditionally pardoned in Rs1.2 billion Hudaibiya Paper Mills scam.

The direction by the top court’s five-judge bench, which is hearing a myriad of petitions against the Sharif family over the Panama Papers scandal, came after the Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) filed a petition seeking the disqualification of Dar over alleged money laundering.

Justice Asif Saeed Khosa, who is heading the bench, questioned why the anti-corruption watchdog had failed to file a reference against a Lahore High Court verdict quashing the Hudaibiya Paper Mills case against the Sharifs.

Further, the bench summoned NAB to present the entire record of Hudaibiya papers scam today. It also questioned PG NAB regarding the agency’s failure to file an appeal against Lahore High Court’s order to quash the reference against the Sharifs in 2014. Responding to the question, Waqas said the decision to not file an appeal against the order was taken unanimously.

Upon hearing the response, the bench ordered the prosecutor general to submit minutes of the meeting wherein the decision was taken.



Source: http://tribune.com.pk/story/1311279/dars-confession-hudaibiya-scam-case-can-used-pm-sc/

 

[WebGuru]

Dar sahab aap ki qami thi ) Decision jo be aaye but is Panama case ne to poori Noora 11 ko ragra laga dya

 

[Syed1]

Poori Noora eleven clean bowled hoti ja rahi hai

Bus umeed hai DRS ki wajah se na bach jain.

 

[gkb101277867]

When are we likely to hear a decision. Surely must be getting close now?

 

[Syed1]

 

[Syed1]

Justice Asmat Saeed Khosa suffers cardiac arrest, shifted to hospital. May Allah grant him shifa. Ameen.


This will definitely put a delay on the Panama case and may even let the Nooras off the hook.

 

[WebGuru]

Justice Khosa remarks on Saad Rafique comments about him.

 

[Syed1]

My speculation is the decision was going to come 3-2 against the Nooras since two judges are well and truly in the Noora camp (you would know who I'm talking about if you have followed the case closely). Justice Asmat sahab was the one who was asking the toughest questions from the Noora lawyers and it began necessary for the Nooras to "adjust" Justice sahab somewhere.

Now he might be replaced with a Judge on their payroll and they will get a 3-2 decision in their favour.

 

[WebGuru]

Panama case hearing likely to be delayed for a few days or maybe weeks. Justice Azmat admitted in hospital because of some heart issues. He was the one taking Sharif lawyers to cleaners daily with his remarks. Get well soon judge sahab...

 

[Strike!]

Sad news today.

 

[waqar goraya]

Justice Asmat Saeed Khosa suffers cardiac arrest, shifted to hospital. May Allah grant him shifa. Ameen.


This will definitely put a delay on the Panama case and may even let the Nooras off the hook.

You even don't know the real names boy!

One judge is Sheikh Azmat Saeed and the other one is Asif Saeed Khosa.

 

[waqar goraya]

Panama case hearing likely to be delayed for a few days or maybe weeks. Justice Azmat admitted in hospital because of some heart issues. He was the one taking Sharif lawyers to cleaners daily with his remarks. Get well soon judge sahab...

So, it's Sheikh Azmat Saaed who has fallen ill [MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION]

 

[WebGuru]

So, it's Sheikh Azmat Saaed who has fallen ill [MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION]

Justice Khosa is the head of this bench and Khawaja Prize Bond tried to show some muscles to him in a speech recently (speech was in front of empty chairs).

 

[Syed1]

No court proceedings today..


Something is definitely cooking behind the scenes. Nawaz will get a let off.

This is Pakistan, the rich and powerful never get convicted.

 

[Gayle_Force]

No court proceedings today..


Something is definitely cooking behind the scenes. Nawaz will get a let off.

This is Pakistan, the rich and powerful never get convicted.

One of the judges had a major health issue concerning is heart so proceeding will resume on Monday. Don't think there is anything fishy about that.

 

[Syed1]

Fawad Chaudry )

 

[Syed1]

Total bekaar hain )

 

[WebGuru]

According to media reports Panama case hearing to resume on 13th Feb.

 

[WebGuru]

Yaar yeh PMLN waalon ke hath paon kuch zyada he nae phool gae khof or frustration se? second speech today by Khawaja Saad targeting SC and judges. Pervez Rasheed comments today were also targeting SC judges. What happened to all their confidence?

Or yeh saare leaders jo ferma rahe hen yeh court ko toheen ke zumre main nae ata kia?

 

[Syed1]

According to media reports Panama case hearing to resume on 13th Feb.

I heard Nawaz's lawyer Makhdoom has asked for some more extension due to personal reasons.

 

[WebGuru]

I heard Nawaz's lawyer Makhdoom has asked for some more extension due to personal reasons.

Yea he is trying to run away just like their personal lawyer from decades Akram Sheikh did because they know there is nothing in this case only a nazrya-e-zarurat can save Sharif family here.

 

[Syed1]

Yea he is trying to run away just like their personal lawyer from decades Akram Sheikh did because they know there is nothing in this case only a nazrya-e-zarurat can save Sharif family here.

I'm afraid that is exactly what might happen. I was following elsewhere and an opinion that was being widely floated was that there has been a deal between NS and IK to give up this case to save the political dynasty of the Sharifs and in return he would get the next government. Sort of like NRO 2.0


However, I don't buy this logic since in every TV interview IK seems more and more optimistic of a favourable result from the SC.

 

[WebGuru]

I'm afraid that is exactly what might happen. I was following elsewhere and an opinion that was being widely floated was that there has been a deal between NS and IK to give up this case to save the political dynasty of the Sharifs and in return he would get the next government. Sort of like NRO 2.0


However, I don't buy this logic since in every TV interview IK seems more and more optimistic of a favourable result from the SC.

IK isn't going to do that and no way PMLN can offer it. If there was a deal thn how come PMLN is doing horse trading in KP for next elections? My only worry is that SC will give a decision based on Nazrya-e-Zaruret.

 

[Syed1]

[MENTION=133397]WebGuru[/MENTION]

 

[WebGuru]

[MENTION=133397]WebGuru[/MENTION]

Good news nooras shouldn't be given a long break. There was no jalsa by IK this sunday so nooras had a week to rest otherwise 5 days of phainty inside court and thn a jalsa every sunday was giving them nightmare )

 

[Waseem]

I just returned from a six week trip to Pakistan, got a lot of time to follow Panama case closely and spoke to many people in Pakistan and one thing is for sure, Sharifs have become laughing stock due to Panama case.
I was in Murree early January and N Sharif and Maryam Safdar/Nawaz happened to visit their holiday house in Murree, people started chanting "Chor aaya chor aaya and LANAT LANAT.
Most people are convinced that Sharifs are guilty in this case but sadly their supporters are fine with BIT of corruption since at lesat they are doing something i.e. Metro train and Metro bus projects. Chinese have been given task of completing energy projects (as part of CPEC) before 2018 elections so it's quite likley load shedding will reduce in 2018 which means an easy win for PMLN regardless of Panama outcome unless Nawaz/Maryam are disqualified forever and there is some infighting in family.
Winning elections is not everything though, Nawaz and Sharif family are known as CHOR family now and even some of their loyal supporters admit that, let's see if they have tiny bit of shame left.

 

[saeedhk]

I just returned from a six week trip to Pakistan, got a lot of time to follow Panama case closely and spoke to many people in Pakistan and one thing is for sure, Sharifs have become laughing stock due to Panama case.
I was in Murree early January and N Sharif and Maryam Safdar/Nawaz happened to visit their holiday house in Murree, people started chanting "Chor aaya chor aaya and LANAT LANAT.
Most people are convinced that Sharifs are guilty in this case but sadly their supporters are fine with BIT of corruption since at lesat they are doing something i.e. Metro train and Metro bus projects. Chinese have been given task of completing energy projects (as part of CPEC) before 2018 elections so it's quite likley load shedding will reduce in 2018 which means an easy win for PMLN regardless of Panama outcome unless Nawaz/Maryam are disqualified forever and there is some infighting in family.
Winning elections is not everything though, Nawaz and Sharif family are known as CHOR family now and even some of their loyal supporters admit that, let's see if they have tiny bit of shame left.

True.The Sharif Family's reputation has taken a serious hit which nobody would have imagined just a year ago. Kudos to PTI for keeping the matter alive and exposing NS.

 

[WebGuru]

I just returned from a six week trip to Pakistan, got a lot of time to follow Panama case closely and spoke to many people in Pakistan and one thing is for sure, Sharifs have become laughing stock due to Panama case.
I was in Murree early January and N Sharif and Maryam Safdar/Nawaz happened to visit their holiday house in Murree, people started chanting "Chor aaya chor aaya and LANAT LANAT.
Most people are convinced that Sharifs are guilty in this case but sadly their supporters are fine with BIT of corruption since at lesat they are doing something i.e. Metro train and Metro bus projects. Chinese have been given task of completing energy projects (as part of CPEC) before 2018 elections so it's quite likley load shedding will reduce in 2018 which means an easy win for PMLN regardless of Panama outcome unless Nawaz/Maryam are disqualified forever and there is some infighting in family.
Winning elections is not everything though, Nawaz and Sharif family are known as CHOR family now and even some of their loyal supporters admit that, let's see if they have tiny bit of shame left.

True and Qatari letter is a biggest joke in Pak right now

 

[MRSN]

True and Qatari letter is a biggest joke in Pak right now

Qatari chooran and Qatari fast food points are becoming common..

Qatari govt. have also cleared they have no link with these letters whatsoever.

 

[WebGuru]

Qatari chooran and Qatari fast food points are becoming common..

Qatari govt. have also cleared they have no link with these letters whatsoever.

There is also a Qatari soap in the market Qatar and Qataris are becoming a joke in Pak thanks to sharifs )

 

[MRSN]

There is also a Qatari soap in the market Qatar and Qataris are becoming a joke in Pak thanks to sharifs )

absloutely. Especially with the royal treatment they get breaking all rules by Sharif Family just because they know their secrets.

 

[Syed1]

I only shudder to think once the Nooras are removed from government and another party takes over what kinds of corruption scandals will be unveiled for the period of 2013-2018. Man they must have eaten billions in these five years.

Remember the Nooras only had governments for 2-3 years each of the previous times and in such short time periods were able to steal such massive amount of money.

 

[Asim2Good]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nEKkXXDbzoA

Must listen

 

[Bewal Express]

I only shudder to think once the Nooras are removed from government and another party takes over what kinds of corruption scandals will be unveiled for the period of 2013-2018. Man they must have eaten billions in these five years.

Remember the Nooras only had governments for 2-3 years each of the previous times and in such short time periods were able to steal such massive amount of money.

You can see why they are so desperate to stay in power. The will do anything to stay in power. The elite, including the army is corrupt and hence the reason the Nooras are in power. What they are good at is sharing the loot with other criminals, hence too many people have got a stake in the system to stop the corruption.

 

[WebGuru]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nEKkXXDbzoA

Must listen

What a great speech by Cheema ji in NA. He is one of the only 2 elected MNAs of PMLQ in current assembly.

 

[Varun]

Can somebody give me a brief of what is happening to Nawaz Sharif? There are a lot of pages in this thread, too many for me to go through. And much of the content seems to be in Urdu, which I can't read.

 

[Nostalgic]

Can somebody give me a brief of what is happening to Nawaz Sharif? There are a lot of pages in this thread, too many for me to go through. And much of the content seems to be in Urdu, which I can't read.

The devil, as always, is in the details. We could give you a TL;DR version, but it just won't do.

The only course of action worth pursuing is for you to learn to read Urdu, and go through all eleven pages. You know, expand your horizons a bit. Or a lot.

 

[Pakpak]

Can somebody give me a brief of what is happening to Nawaz Sharif? There are a lot of pages in this thread, too many for me to go through. And much of the content seems to be in Urdu, which I can't read.

The issue was about the flats purchased by Nawaz in London, well the issue more was where did the money come from? The Panama papers showed off-shore companies, under the name of Nawaz's children and the said companies were apparently involved in purchasing property. However at the time the properties were bought the children were in their late-teens to 22 year old hence would not have had the ability to buy the properties, which meant the cash came from their father who was the PM at the time. Nawaz then made a speech to the country explaining he had got the funds from an xyz source (I forgot which, lets call it source A). But after the media and his opponents dug into that story it was clearly false. So in the Parliament he gave another story that he got the funds from the proceeds of a sale of a factory in Jeddah. This again however after media speculation and more documents and evidence was proved to be a complete lie. What is interesting is that when he was making this speech in the parliament, he handed over his speaker some documents as proof of his story re: Jeddah, what those documents were is unknown, as they couldn't have been anything legitimate because in the actual court he changed his story for the THIRD time, claiming via a letter from a Qatari prince, that the funds came from said prince's family. This again, however, has proved to be false. As the said prince would have been 2 year old or a mere toddler at the time when his family gave the Sharif's money and hence his young age meant anything he ''heard'' was mere hearsay and couldn't actually prove any sort of money trail. (We will come back to the money trail later) Also the Qataris have now said they have nothing to do with the case.

In addition to the above, the children's stories contradict with each other and their father's who himself has given three different versions, about where the actual funds came from to purchase the property. Sometimes the children say their father sent them money as pocket money, other times they say the properties were purchased in 2006, which again is a lie. This is not even taking into account the statements of atleast 4 ministers who have said, live on television, that the properties were purchased in the 90s. There was also a BBC documentary in 1999 (I think its 1999) where they highlighted major corruption by the Sharif family, keeping in mind that the documentary's contents were and have never been challenged by Nawaz. The Sharif family was also fined in a case in UK relating to their properties in UK, this fine was £34 million. They have failed, so far, to establish where this money came from.

Coming back to the money trail, the case was and is fairly simple. All Nawaz has to do is give a money-trail and give proof that his properties were paid by xyz means. Considering the obvious and suspected case of money-laundering he has not proven this yet. In the last hearing in December, his lawyer admitted that ''we cannot prove any money-trail''. You can take what message from that, if you will.

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[Varun]

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Thanks, and there seem to be more twists and turns than a Hindi soap opera there.

 

[last_knight]

I only shudder to think once the Nooras are removed from government and another party takes over what kinds of corruption scandals will be unveiled for the period of 2013-2018. Man they must have eaten billions in these five years.

Remember the Nooras only had governments for 2-3 years each of the previous times and in such short time periods were able to steal such massive amount of money.

Why every govt has been so eager to privatise some major institutions?


Not for the better management, but to mask and burry their corruption. Some institutes have been privatised already. What PPP/Nooras did with these institutes prior to their privatisation, is dirty, probably many folds than Panama case.

Let's pray and hope that PIA, STEEL MILLS are not privatised.

 

[Bewal Express]

Any new Qatari letters?

 

[Pakpak]

Today:

Noon League's lawyer has claimed that:

-the Panama documents are ''fake and prepared by people committing fraud''
-we don't have documents to show every money trail

To which the court replied how is it possible there are no documents for transactions concerning millions and that the case has only been going on because the court is waiting for documents, so is it a strategy to not submit documents? They also said if proper documents are not submitted then ''what will you do it if we accept PTI's claims? You should go to Rawal Dam to catch fish''

 

[Madplayer]

Boy, this issue has seen lots of twists and turns. Too bad i didn't follow this properly.

 

[godzilla]

have the courts issued any kind of deadline or is this whole process going to go on forever?

 

[Bewal Express]

Today:

Noon League's lawyer has claimed that:

-the Panama documents are ''fake and prepared by people committing fraud''
-we don't have documents to show every money trail

To which the court replied how is it possible there are no documents for transactions concerning millions and that the case has only been going on because the court is waiting for documents, so is it a strategy to not submit documents? They also said if proper documents are not submitted then ''what will you do it if we accept PTI's claims? You should go to Rawal Dam to catch fish''

I dont trust any court in PK to convict the Sharifs- they are simply too powerful. Last week they defied a Court order to seal their Sugar Mills- you have got hand it to the Sharifs, they have brought every one and anyone.

 

[Strike!]

have the courts issued any kind of deadline or is this whole process going to go on forever?

Not much left in the case now, Tomorrow NAB head and FBR head will present their investigations of Hudaibia paper mills case. After that, the attorney general will present his arguments and after that will finally be the rebuttals of Naeem Bukhari, Sheikh Rasheed and JI's lawyer.

Then the supreme court will decide on either giving a judgment or making a commission.

 

[godzilla]

it'll no doubt be another commission which will go on forever, everyone will lose interest, and then business as usual, and not only a continued raping of the country, rising inflation, reduced spending, increased taxes for the poor; but with sharif escaping this, it will embolden future corrupt governments from the pmln and pp to continue until there is the inevitable bankruptcy and widespread civil unrest by which time these people will be sitting in foreign mansions soaking up the sun and their cocktails.

in fairness, it happens everywhere else too.

 

[Pakpak]

it'll no doubt be another commission which will go on forever, everyone will lose interest, and then business as usual, and not only a continued raping of the country, rising inflation, reduced spending, increased taxes for the poor; but with sharif escaping this, it will embolden future corrupt governments from the pmln and pp to continue until there is the inevitable bankruptcy and widespread civil unrest by which time these people will be sitting in foreign mansions soaking up the sun and their cocktails.

in fairness, it happens everywhere else too.

Spot on.

What a waste of time a commission will be after this SC case. What was the point then?

 

[Syed1]

The recent spate of terrorist attacks and judge's health issue have really put a damper on this case. I don't even know what's going on now and I have been keenly following this case from the start.

 

[Pakpak]

The recent spate of terrorist attacks and judge's health issue have really put a damper on this case. I don't even know what's going on now and I have been keenly following this case from the start.

Court ruined NAB FBR's chairmen, who said that Panama and money laundering wasn't in their jurisdiction, to which the court said, stunned, then whos' jurisdiction is it? They then admitted that they have done NO investigations on the Sharif family. And also the documents submitted to them 3 years ago and v recently Princess Sharif neglected to mention that she had any properties.

 

[Strike!]

Looks like the hearings will end on Thursday.

 

[godzilla]

Court ruined NAB FBR's chairmen, who said that Panama and money laundering wasn't in their jurisdiction, to which the court said, stunned, then whos' jurisdiction is it? They then admitted that they have done NO investigations on the Sharif family. And also the documents submitted to them 3 years ago and v recently Princess Sharif neglected to mention that she had any properties.

this is beyond belief.

I know there are lots of posters on these boards crying constantly about movements of civil unrest to tackle this gargantuan degree of corruption, unprofessionalism and incompetence, how else do they suggest that it should be tackled?

how can you not want to advocate peaceful civil disobedience, marches, protests in the face of this?

 

[Syed1]

this is beyond belief.

I know there are lots of posters on these boards crying constantly about movements of civil unrest to tackle this gargantuan degree of corruption, unprofessionalism and incompetence, how else do they suggest that it should be tackled?

how can you not want to advocate peaceful civil disobedience, marches, protests in the face of this?

As per some very 'knowledgeable' posters the courts are in no position to remove democratically elected government (read as kingdom) and the only way the opposition parties have is to defeat them in elections and then fix the system.


So if God forbid I commit a felony I should immediately run for office and hope for the life in me that I get elected and keep on getting elected, that is the only way I will remain 'innocent'.

 

[Bewal Express]

this is beyond belief.

I know there are lots of posters on these boards crying constantly about movements of civil unrest to tackle this gargantuan degree of corruption, unprofessionalism and incompetence, how else do they suggest that it should be tackled?

how can you not want to advocate peaceful civil disobedience, marches, protests in the face of this?

Its shocking but not beyond belief. The guys at NAB and FBR were put into protect the Sharifs and they were just doing their job. BTW where are our resident Nooras? One tweet from IK on PSL and they were foaming at the mouth but a systematic destruction of a country for money and not a word. Where are you [MENTION=134608]Hawkeye[/MENTION], [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]

 

[godzilla]

Its shocking but not beyond belief. The guys at NAB and FBR were put into protect the Sharifs and they were just doing their job. BTW where are our resident Nooras? One tweet from IK on PSL and they were foaming at the mouth but a systematic destruction of a country for money and not a word. Where are you [MENTION=134608]Hawkeye[/MENTION], [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]

children will be children - its in their nature not to see for the wood for the trees, and in some ways is not their fault. on the other hand, unless you are a parent or nursery worker, there is no compunction or responsibility for the rest of us to baby sit. I read that the best way of quietening a screaming baby is to ignore it.

its arguably a very Pakistani trait to prioritise self interest over any consideration of what is just, or even beneficial for anything beyond a) the very short term or b) bringing in some desperately needed attention.

moving on though, I'm not sure how the country can be fixed at this point. it seems to me this asinine faith in a process of democracy - given it has demonstrably failed everywhere in the world as well as in pakistan - or the similarly asinine belief in infrastructure build as economically generative without the expunging of corruption and enforcement of process - is all misplaced fantasy.

the facts on the ground are that we have incompetent and corrupt ruling classes, a fast growing population with insufficient social services, we have a failing trade balance, falling forex reserves, dropping exports, increasing illiteracy, increasing poverty, stagnant tax receipts, and growing debt burdens and approaching debt maturities.

thats the big picture, not a trade corridor massively favouring the Chinese, a couple of roads and power stations that are given to friends who pass back handers on, or the continued shackles of us foreign aid.

I can't find any rational sensible argument to support these people staying in power, or how the problems are resolved without an immense amount of pain. like in the case of Greece, the world cannot afford pakistan to fail. and like a dog, it will be chained to its dog house with the odd plate of water and food scraps thrown in its direction, whilst genuinely and extraordinarily dimwits celebrate the arrival of this sustenance as some sort of achievement. and this all the while, whilst our neighbours build satellite networks, run global multi billion corporations, dictate economic terms to the rest of the world, rather than building Surry mansions for themselves and taking a begging bowl to the most murderous regime on the planet.

rant over!

 

[Pakpak]

this is beyond belief.

I know there are lots of posters on these boards crying constantly about movements of civil unrest to tackle this gargantuan degree of corruption, unprofessionalism and incompetence, how else do they suggest that it should be tackled?

how can you not want to advocate peaceful civil disobedience, marches, protests in the face of this?

That is why the suggestion of ''voting them out and magically all our institutions will be fixed'' is absolutely insane. The way things are going, God forbid, nothing but french style revolution will solve things. Everyday idiots like Daniyaal Aziz, Rana, Saad Rafique are holding press conferences and threatening the court yet not a peep about recent wave of terror attacks.

Its shocking but not beyond belief. The guys at NAB and FBR were put into protect the Sharifs and they were just doing their job. BTW where are our resident Nooras? One tweet from IK on PSL and they were foaming at the mouth but a systematic destruction of a country for money and not a word. Where are you [MENTION=134608]Hawkeye[/MENTION], [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]

They're too busy venting hatred on players fixing in a game instead of directing their ire towards people destroying a country. Even then, Mamoon, abeliet rarely, comments but the others never comment on IK or if they do claim they don't support-him-yet-defend-him hintmajorforexample.

 

[Bewal Express]

That is why the suggestion of ''voting them out and magically all our institutions will be fixed'' is absolutely insane. The way things are going, God forbid, nothing but french style revolution will solve things. Everyday idiots like Daniyaal Aziz, Rana, Saad Rafique are holding press conferences and threatening the court yet not a peep about recent wave of terror attacks.



They're too busy venting hatred on players fixing in a game instead of directing their ire towards people destroying a country. Even then, Mamoon, abeliet rarely, comments but the others never comment on IK or if they do claim they don't support-him-yet-defend-him hintmajorforexample.

I just loved the way they came out of the woodwork on the PSL tweet. Words like pathetic were used but here we are today where the SC tore the whole Sharif mafia to shreads and not a peep. Is there any people that are more self centred than the Nooras. Come on guys, where are you? Whats more "pathetic", a tweet about a private cricket tournament or the capture of a whole country for the benefit of one family?

 

[WebGuru]

Justice Azmat trolling noonies )
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="ur" dir="rtl">کوئی اسٹوری بنائی بھی ہے تو اس پر قائم رہیں، جسٹس عظمت سعید</p>— Geo News Urdu (@geonews_urdu) <a href="https://twitter.com/geonews_urdu/status/834266615894200322">February 22, 2017</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="ur" dir="rtl">حدیبیہ پیپرز کیس میں الزامات غلط تھے تو اس کیس سےکیوں کترا رہے ہیں،جسٹس عظمت</p>— Geo News Urdu (@geonews_urdu) <a href="https://twitter.com/geonews_urdu/status/834268482317475841">February 22, 2017</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="ur" dir="rtl">نیب گزشتہ روز ہمارے سامنے وفات پا گیا،جسٹس عظمت سعید</p>— Geo News Urdu (@geonews_urdu) <a href="https://twitter.com/geonews_urdu/status/834269470931681280">February 22, 2017</a></blockquote>
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[WebGuru]

Justice Azmat in full form!
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="ur" dir="rtl">یہ جاننا ہر شہری کا بنیادی حق ہے کہ ان کا وزیر اعظم اہل ہے یا نہیں، جسٹس عظمت</p>— Geo News Urdu (@geonews_urdu) <a href="https://twitter.com/geonews_urdu/status/834275840070410240">February 22, 2017</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="ur" dir="rtl">متعدد مقدمات میں کہہ چکےدیگرادارے کام نہ کررہےہوں توعدالت مداخلت کرسکتی ہے، جسٹس عظمت</p>— Geo News Urdu (@geonews_urdu) <a href="https://twitter.com/geonews_urdu/status/834276625718112257">February 22, 2017</a></blockquote>
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[WebGuru]

Attorney General of Pakistan right now using arguments like "You can't disqualify PM because that means disqualification of many MPs not only PM"

In simple words he is telling SC to please follow the Nazrya-e-Zaruret

 

[WebGuru]

Quote of the week:

 

[saeedhk]

Very strong and harsh remarks against Nawaz Sharif by judges today.

'It is the basic right of the people to know whether their prime minister is competent or not' - SC

' NAB died yesterday' - SC

' If state institutions do not work, the SC can intervene' - SC

 

[Bewal Express]

Shouldn't that say corruption rather than competence. Lets see if they have the courage to see it through. The last SC justice said all the right things until the time when he had to make a decision.

 

[WebGuru]

Attorney General got completely destroyed today in SC for being loyal to nooras and defending them instead of helping court and being loyal to goverment of Pakistan.

 

[WebGuru]

Justice Sheikh Azmat Saeed is taking nooras to cleaners with every statement after coming back from hospital just like he was doing before getting admitted in hospital
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="ur" dir="rtl">وزیر اعظم کا وہ دفاع کل دفن ہو گیا،جسٹس عظمت</p>— Geo News Urdu (@geonews_urdu) <a href="https://twitter.com/geonews_urdu/status/834301830687506433">February 22, 2017</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="ur" dir="rtl">وزیر اعظم کے لیے نیب انشورنس پالیسی تھی،جسٹس شیخ عظمت</p>— Geo News Urdu (@geonews_urdu) <a href="https://twitter.com/geonews_urdu/status/834301851268952064">February 22, 2017</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="ur" dir="rtl">نااہلی تو پاناما کیس کا ایک پہلو ہے،جسٹس عظمت سعید</p>— Geo News Urdu (@geonews_urdu) <a href="https://twitter.com/geonews_urdu/status/834302089190838272">February 22, 2017</a></blockquote>
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[WebGuru]

If after all these hearings and remarks we see a repeat of JC2015 to save Shareefs or they go for Nazrya-e-Zarooret once again thn we better shut down all the courts in the country and everyone should be allowed to do whatever he/she wants

 

[WebGuru]

Khawaja Saad right now threatening Courts standing outside court talking to media reminding judges about the famous CJ Sajjad Ali Shah incident where CJ and Supreme Court was attacked by PMLN.

Guys get ready to see derbaris attacking SC once again if the decision comes against Shareefs

 

[WebGuru]

How come this clown is still a federal minister and not behind the bars? He threatened Supreme Court and Judges 3 times in last few weeks.