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Panamagate Case: Supreme Court disqualifies Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif in unanimous verdict

How SECP head shut down Chaudhry Sugar Mills money laundering investigation.



Sources in the FIA and SECP said that the team’s first order of business was to meet Muzzafar Ahmed Mirza, the commission’s chief prosecutor and head of its Prosecution and Legal Affairs Division.

Mr Muzzafar was asked to remain available during the holidays and ensure that officials of the law department were present, along with all the relevant records.

An FIA official Dawn the FIA team started its work on the same day as it was notified not only to save time, but also to maintain secrecy and avoid any hindrance in the investigations, referring to SECP Chairman Zafar Hijazi.

The accusation of record-tampering was levelled against incumbent Mr Hijazi, as it was alleged that he closed an inquiry of money laundering by Chaudhry Sugar Mills — owned by the Sharif family — with retroactive effect.

“The FIA officials came prepared and knew where to start. Within minutes of taking charge, Mr Arsalan, deputy director of the Enforcement Department, was called to answer some questions,” the official said. His interview lasted for more than four hours.

In its response to the JIT’s allegations, submitted to the Supreme Court, the SECP maintained that investigations against Chaudhry Sugar Mills were completed in 2013, before the incumbent government came to power.

But a startling revelation was made by Maheen Fatima, the current director of the Internal Audit and Compliance Department, before the JIT and the FIA team — that she had initiated investigations against Chaudhry Sugar Mills in 2011, but the case was closed in 2016

In her statement to the JIT, which was also repeated in front of the FIA team, Ms Fatima claimed that the investigation into money laundering by Chaudhry Sugar Mills was dumped in March 2013, at the time of the elections.

In view of these contradictory statements, sources said that those examined by the FIA team included Abid Hussain, who was heading the Enforcement Directorate in 2011 and is currently the executive director of the Corporate Supervision Department in the SECP’s Company Law division.

In addition, then acting SECP chairman Tahir Mahmood — who is currently working as commissioner of the Company Law Division — was also asked if the investigations against Chaudhry Sugar Mills were finalised in 2013 or not.

Another officer, Ali Azeem, who was executive director in 2016, told the FIA team that the Chaudhry Sugar Mills case was closed in 2013 and referred to the official statement submitted by the SECP to the Supreme Court.

But sources in FIA said that it was clear from the statements that after Mr Hijazi took over as the chairman in Dec 2014, he reshuffled executives in the commission and closed the sugar mills inquiry after the Panama Papers case surfaced.

This has made the SECP a divided house, since those related to the Enforcement Department maintain that the case was closed in 2016, while the official stance of the commission is that the case was closed in 2013.

The FIA team is expected to finalise and submit its report to the JIT on June 30 or July 1, 2017.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1342029/fia-goes-ahead-with-secp-probe-at-brisk-pace
 
Former Chairman NAB Lieutenant General (R) Mohammad Amjad Shoaib asked to appear infront of JIT


 
3, 4, 5th July.... All 3 kids of mian ji to appear in front of JIT one by one
 
3, 4, 5th July.... All 3 kids of mian ji to appear in front of JIT one by one

I have been optimistic throughout the trial but things are starting to get too good to be true, still think Sharifs cannot possibly escape but would be a disaster if some behind the arrangement is made.
 
I have been optimistic throughout the trial but things are starting to get too good to be true, still think Sharifs cannot possibly escape but would be a disaster if some behind the arrangement is made.

Also read that Nawaz Sharif along with his wife have been summoned again.

The biggest question mark so far is why DAR isn't called yet? He is the main character in all these money laundering cases specially in Hudaiba Papers. Let's just hope no more "Nazrya-e-Zaruret"
 
I have been optimistic throughout the trial but things are starting to get too good to be true, still think Sharifs cannot possibly escape but would be a disaster if some behind the arrangement is made.

to expect military to hand justice to nawaz sharif for his corruption is like a chor trying to bring justice to another chor and saying you have stolen property of the people.

JIT is nothing but an military tactics to put a civilian government under pressure to sign all legal or illegal documents to transfer more DHA, fizaiya plots to military welfare fund or FWO or DHA or fizaiya housing scheme who knows?

maybe it is a pressure tactic to make the already puppet government more puppet by giving finance ministry to the military so that it embezzles funds at its disposal because the military has already bargained several ministries like foreign, interior even supreme court seems to be a pet dog of military

the sooner the sharif hands over his D to the military, sooner he is free and he will be allowed to rule for one more year and finish his term before he is dispatched to jaddah or mumbai or istanbul or russia or london where ever his business interests and palaces are
 
to expect military to hand justice to nawaz sharif for his corruption is like a chor trying to bring justice to another chor and saying you have stolen property of the people.

JIT is nothing but an military tactics to put a civilian government under pressure to sign all legal or illegal documents to transfer more DHA, fizaiya plots to military welfare fund or FWO or DHA or fizaiya housing scheme who knows?

maybe it is a pressure tactic to make the already puppet government more puppet by giving finance ministry to the military so that it embezzles funds at its disposal because the military has already bargained several ministries like foreign, interior even supreme court seems to be a pet dog of military

the sooner the sharif hands over his D to the military, sooner he is free and he will be allowed to rule for one more year and finish his term before he is dispatched to jaddah or mumbai or istanbul or russia or london where ever his business interests and palaces are

JIT is also a military tactic?? Please let it go already, people can't be fooled anymore with such vibrant media (despite being corrupt) and social media in particular. Anyone who wants to understand can EASILY understand military can't possibly control international level scandal because of which many head of states have been in trouble and even resigned.
 
JIT is also a military tactic?? Please let it go already, people can't be fooled anymore with such vibrant media (despite being corrupt) and social media in particular. Anyone who wants to understand can EASILY understand military can't possibly control international level scandal because of which many head of states have been in trouble and even resigned.

yes, JIT is handled by agencies of military for example ISI, MI, IB etc

that is why it is called 'joint investigation team'

JIT is a known military tool to pressurise political parties since long time
 
yes, JIT is handled by agencies of military for example ISI, MI, IB etc

that is why it is called 'joint investigation team'

JIT is a known military tool to pressurise political parties since long time

It doesn't look like you followed the case, this thread wouldn't have been 20 pages long if it's just case of conspiracy hatched by military against Masoom Nawaz.

Also you probably don't know but JIT is formed after Supreme court heard the case for 3-4 months in which Masoom Sharif badly exposed himself with Alif Laila stories. Top 2 judges in Pakistan declared Nawaz Sharif as CORRUPT and favoured his immidiate disqualification whereas Nawaz distributed sweets since 3 judges wanted further investigation.

Also if 2 JIT departments are under military then 4 are directly under Nawaz Sharif himself (IRONY) so JIT means absolutely nothing since case was crystal clear long before JIT was formed.
 
It doesn't look like you followed the case, this thread wouldn't have been 20 pages long if it's just case of conspiracy hatched by military against Masoom Nawaz.

Also you probably don't know but JIT is formed after Supreme court heard the case for 3-4 months in which Masoom Sharif badly exposed himself with Alif Laila stories. Top 2 judges in Pakistan declared Nawaz Sharif as CORRUPT and favoured his immidiate disqualification whereas Nawaz distributed sweets since 3 judges wanted further investigation.

Also if 2 JIT departments are under military then 4 are directly under Nawaz Sharif himself (IRONY) so JIT means absolutely nothing since case was crystal clear long before JIT was formed.

i have said enough

rest you will all see when events unfold

JIT is nothing but a facewash, and a political power game between military/ISI agency/MI etc and the nawaz govt and maybe some of his cronies like achakzai and abid sher ali, pervez rasheed, ch nisar, kh asif etc

nawaz himself is a big military pawn so his matter wont be as severe as ZA bhutto, he will just have to just abandon government, call for re election and would clear way for even bigger military pawn who is by the way not set to win next elections with presence of sharif and rush to jeddah instead of getting punished

in conclusion military thinks, bigger pawn cannot win 2017 elections in the presence of PMLN or nawaz sharif, thus thus this entire drama and fooling common people

if nawaz has done millions of corruption, agencies are involved in billions of corruption

so when that happens, you would be admiring my analysis
 
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i have said enough

rest you will all see when events unfold

JIT is nothing but a facewash, and a political power game between military/ISI agency/MI etc and the nawaz govt and maybe some of his cronies like achakzai and abid sher ali, pervez rasheed, ch nisar, kh asif etc

nawaz himself is a big military pawn so his matter wont be as severe as ZA bhutto, he will just have to just abandon government, call for re election and would clear way for even bigger military pawn who is by the way not set to win next elections with presence of sharif and rush to jeddah instead of getting punished

in conclusion military thinks, bigger pawn cannot win 2017 elections in the presence of PMLN or nawaz sharif, thus thus this entire drama and fooling common people

if nawaz has done millions of corruption, agencies are involved in billions of corruption

so when that happens, you would be admiring my analysis

So is the Supreme Court acting as an ISI tool as well?
 
So is the Supreme Court acting as an ISI tool as well?

yes definitely

wont use the word ISI, but i would say 'establishment'

history tells us judiciary is not free
lawyers movement was funded by ISI

raymond davis was freed by judiciary despite he killed 2 pakistai citizens, again, the power of agency was behind this deal
 
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yes definitely

wont use the word ISI, but i would say 'establishment'

history tells us judiciary is not free
lawyers movement was funded by ISI

raymond davis was freed by judiciary despite he killed 2 pakistai citizens, again, the power of agency was behind this deal

Lawyers movement funded by ISI when a military dictator was in power? That makes no sense.

Raymond Davis was freed with the collusion of government and military at the time, judiciary wasn't to blame when the relatives had been pressurised to take blood money.
 
Lawyers movement funded by ISI when a military dictator was in power? That makes no sense.

Raymond Davis was freed with the collusion of government and military at the time, judiciary wasn't to blame when the relatives had been pressurised to take blood money.

who removed general ayub?
 
Some of these folks use the same language against the army and ISI that folks like Modi etc use. I guess for them Nawaz as PM is more important than the salmiyaat of the Pakistani state.
 
Some of these folks use the same language against the army and ISI that folks like Modi etc use. I guess for them Nawaz as PM is more important than the salmiyaat of the Pakistani state.

They see it as an existential threat for their cliques. Once Nawaz goes so too does the corruption that keeps this network financed.
This is how corruption becomes ingrained in one's way of life and the rest of society.
 
Want to see paid media at work? See this tweet of Dawn on 21 April and thn the headline on their site...
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Supreme Court clears Maryam Nawaz in <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PanamaPapers?src=hash">#PanamaPapers</a> case <a href="https://t.co/yLXdEzPIHW">https://t.co/yLXdEzPIHW</a></p>— Dawn.com (@dawn_com) <a href="https://twitter.com/dawn_com/status/855251066451111937">April 21, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Apex court clears Maryam in Panama Papers case

https://www.dawn.com/news/1328328
 
i have said enough

rest you will all see when events unfold

JIT is nothing but a facewash, and a political power game between military/ISI agency/MI etc and the nawaz govt and maybe some of his cronies like achakzai and abid sher ali, pervez rasheed, ch nisar, kh asif etc

nawaz himself is a big military pawn so his matter wont be as severe as ZA bhutto, he will just have to just abandon government, call for re election and would clear way for even bigger military pawn who is by the way not set to win next elections with presence of sharif and rush to jeddah instead of getting punished

in conclusion military thinks, bigger pawn cannot win 2017 elections in the presence of PMLN or nawaz sharif, thus thus this entire drama and fooling common people

if nawaz has done millions of corruption, agencies are involved in billions of corruption

so when that happens, you would be admiring my analysis

They are not really your analysis my friend, it is a known fact that those with biggest power are most corrupt when there are NO FUNCTIONAL INSTITUTIONS (Jiski lathi us ki bhains) and no doubt powerful Army officials are corrupt and we are not defending them.

If we do believe in democracy (which we all do) then we have to hold POLITICIANS accountable because we vote them in to bring much needed changes to make instiutions strong.

And you ignored most of my post, JIT is kind of irrelevant as anyone with tiny bit of common sense knew Sharif family is in hot waters long before JIT was formed since only proof (of Billions worth offshore properties and businesses) is a Qatari letter. Same prince is being given business contracts worth Billions in Pakistan. Blame establishment and international lobby all you want but people can't be fooled in this day and age.
 
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An overwhelming amount of irrefutable evidence, Sharifs days are over.
 
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Why do people support Nawaz Sharif, what has he ever done for the country of Pakistan or them personally.
 
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These are people with low IQ or beneficiarys of the system!

As an observer from the outside, I see Pakistan in decline so have found it bizarre how Nawaz Sharif is defended so emphatically so wanted to know the root of his support; it sounds like a case of severe inequality in the country where only certain folk benefit from his leadership while others are left in isolation; bit like how the Tories protect the few and cut the arms and legs of the many here in England.
 
These are people with low IQ or beneficiarys of the system!


Unexplained Love ? No ?

80 % Burnt fighting for his Life on Death Bed says to Mian Mohammad Nawaz Sharif that it was always his Wish to meet him.


People Love Bhutto, Zardari, Nawaz, Shehbaz, Imran unconditionally.

Harsh reality.
 
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Sharifs sugar mills laundered Rs1.4b in 2009 - Nawaz Sharif was director at the time.

ISLAMABAD: The Chaudhry Sugar Mills, owned by the Sharif family, laundered over Rs1.4b, it has emerged.

According to his nomination papers in the Election Commission of Pakistan (ECP) and tax returns, Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif showed himself as a paid director of the Chaudhry Sugar Mills, which laundered over Rs1.4b in 2009.

According to a letter by the Securities and Exchange Commission of Pakistan (SECP), the sugar mill sent about Rs740m and about Rs700m abroad in 2009 and concealed the two transactions in its accounts. The letter was written by the SECP director investment to British officials. The letter was sent to UK Central Authority, Home Office, and asked it to tell the SECP about the sender of the money to the UK, because the amount was sent to the UK without any exports and an attempt was made to portray it as a legitimate business.

http://en.tehlka.tv/sharifs-sugar-mills-laundered-rs1-4b-2009/
 

Faysal bank gave 15.5 million dollars to offshore company Shedron in 1992 - Money was used to buy equipment for Chaudhry Sugar Mills
 
Three-member or five-member bench?

The Panama Leaks case is about to reach its much-awaited crescendo.
And for the second time, over the past one hundred days, the entire nation is looking towards the honourable Supreme Court for accountability of the most influential family in Pakistan’s politico-financial paradigm.

This case, in its narrowest sense, is about the disqualification of Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif.
However, a deeper analysis of the issues involved (especially in regards to the ongoing drama concerning JIT proceedings) would reveal that this case is about much more than simply the disqualification of one individual.
It involves important (even existential) questions about the tenacity of our State, and its institutions, to hold the powerful and the mighty accountable for their private and public conduct.
This case is not simply about Neilsen Enterprises and Nescoll Limited; in equal measure, it is about the National Accountability Bureau and the Securities and Exchange Commission of Pakistan.
It is not simply about Maryam Safdar and Hussain Nawaz; in equal measure, it is about Qamar Zaman and Zafar Hijazi.

Amidst all the chaos concerning JIT proceedings – including alleged threats to JIT members, leaked photograph, whatsapp calls, and SECP record tampering – an important constitutional question seems to have escaped our collective focus: will the final judgment be rendered by this three-member bench, or will it be referred back to the original five-member bench for a decision?

In this regard, if the case is to be (finally) decided by this honourable three-member bench, what will be the consequence of judgments authored by Justice Asif Saeed Khosa and Justice Gulzar Ahmed? Were they of no judicial or consequential value? Let us assume, for a moment, that this three-member bench decides the case in Mr.
Nawaz Sharif’s favor with a 2:1 majority (one honourable member deciding against the Prime Minister), will it not be true (then) that, of the original five members, three have decided against the Sharif family? Should he not then be disqualified?

To this end, it is important to ask: did the five-member bench render its final “judgment” on the 20th of April? Or was “Order of the Court” not the same as its final judgment? Put it another way, did the “Order of the Court” dispose off the petitions in April? Is there anything in the judgment to indicate as such? Or did the court, instead, decide that it will render its final judgment after the JIT proceedings have been completed? Are the JIT proceeding, and the special three-member ‘implementation bench’, merely an extension of the original proceedings? And if so, can this three-member bench render the final verdict? Or will the matter (necessarily) be referred back to original bench for its conclusive “judgment’?

These, and related questions, are of immense consequence for the Panama case.
Because if the final judgment, post-JIT report, is to be rendered by this three-member bench, then at least two honourable judges would have to decide against the Prime Minister for him to be disqualified.
On the other hand, in case the matter is to be referred back to the original five-member bench (two of whom have already decided against the Prime Minister), only more honourable judge can effectuate the Prime Minister’s disqualification.

And, keeping in mind the stakes involved, the question as to whether the judgment is to be rendered by a five or a three-member bench, could well determine the course of governance and democracy for the foreseeable future in Pakistan.

Away from political consequences, in order to answer this critical question of bench formation, it is essential to once again parse through the order of the honourable court, dated 20th of April.

A careful reading of the 547 pages, authored by five honourable judges, would reveal that, in essence, there are only two ‘final’ judgments in the field: one, authored by Justice Asif Khosa (which disqualifies the Prime Minister on merits) and the other by Justice Gulzar Ahmed (which fully agrees with Justice Khosa on the merits of the case, and adds an additional note on the “singular point” concerning the applicability and scope of Article 184(3)).

The other three honourable judges (forming the majority) did not render a ‘final’ judgment.
Instead, they identified and observed the multi-faceted issues that require inquiry, before a final judgment can be announced.
In the words of Justice Ijaz-ul-Ahsan, “regrettably, most material questions have remained unanswered or answered insufficiently by [Prime Minister] and his children.
” As a result, the “Order of the Court”, declares that there are numerous questions that “go to the heart of the matter and need to be answered”, for which a JIT has been constituted.
The Order also directs the JIT to “submit its periodical reports every two weeks”, and final report within sixty days, before a special bench (of three-members) constituted to “ensure implementation” of the Order.
And only after the final JIT report has been completed, under the auspices of the special implementation bench, will the court pass its definitive orders/directions.

In other words, having observed “patently contradictory statements” of the PM and his family, and that “no effort has been made to provide even the basic answers” (Justice Ahsan), the majority decided that “investigation appears to be necessary before we can proceed further in the matter” (Justice S.
Azmat Saeed).
To make matters clearer, Justice Azmat Saeed observes that, once the JIT furnishes its report, “this court will examine the matter of disqualification of [PM]”.

This (five-member) court.
Not a sub-set of it.

And for this reason, the majority judges did not “dispose off” the case, as is customary whenever a final judgment has been rendered.

In light of the above, it is perhaps erroneous to assume that the “implementation” bench can pass a final judgment by itself, instead of the original (five-member) bench.

Unfortunately, there is no real precedent for this in the recent jurisprudence of our superior courts.
A comparison with the NRO case, in which an “implementation” bench had been constituted to oversee the carrying out of Court’s directions, is also inaccurate.
Importantly, in the NRO judgment, no aspect of the case required further “investigation”, before a judgment of the court could be rendered.
The judgment (of all concerned judges) was final and declarative.
It merely needed to be implemented.

In the Panama case, on the other hand, three of the five honourable judges of the bench have yet to render their final decision.
And even if one of the (undecided) judges holds the Prime Minister guilty, Justice Asif Khosa and Gulzar Ahmed will immediately find themselves in the majority.

These are challenges times for our polity, our State institutions, and the honourable Court.
Panama case has exposed the caustic nature of our politics (re: Nihal Hashmi), and the feeble state of our institutions (re: Qamar Zaman and Zafar Hjiazi).
The honourable Court, however, must stay clear of all such passions and prejudices.
As it has, so far.

Entering into the final stages of this politico-legal saga, it is important that we adhere to the constitutional requirements and procedures, which form the bedrock of our teetering democracy.
As such, the five-member bench, which heard the Panama case at length, must render the final judgment.
Whatever that judgment might be.
Because the last thing that we, as a people, can afford at this stage, is a controversy concerning why a (majority of?) three-member bench determined the fate of Panama case, and why the judgments rendered by Justice Khosa and Justice Gulzar were not counted towards the outcome.

http://nation.com.pk/columns/02-Jul-2017/three-member-or-five-member-bench
 
Panama Papers JIT probe enters crucial, concluding stage

The powerful six-member Joint Investigation Team (JIT) tasked with probing the business dealings of Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif and his sons abroad is entering a crucial stage, with the investigation heading towards conclusion.

Sources told Dawn the JIT was in the process of winding up the probe by next week, after which it would finish compiling the final investigation report by the second week of July before it was submitted to the apex court by the July 10 deadline.

On Saturday, the JIT in its meeting reviewed the documents pertaining to the business and tax records of the Sharif family that were submitted by Securities and Exchange Commission of Pakistan (SECP) and Federal Board of Revenue (FBR).

See: Defiant PM looks to next election for vindication

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In this regard, the JIT is summoning members of the Sharif family once again. The premier's cousin Tariq Shafi will appear before the high-powered JIT on Sunday, when insiders said he will be re-examined over his statements recorded during his earlier appearance before the body.

And on Monday, the JIT consisting of members from SECP, National Accountability Bureau, State Bank of Pakistan, Military Intelligence, Inter-Services Intelligence and Federal Investigation Agency, has summoned Hussain Nawaz, the prime minister's elder son.

Hassan Nawaz and Maryam Nawaz will appear before the body on Tuesday and Wednesday respectively, in what officials said will be the concluding week of the JIT tasked with collecting evidence within two months.

Insiders told DawnNews that the JIT summoned members of Sharif family for the second time after investigators found contrast between statements recorded by them and the documents submitted by relevant government departments.

The JIT was formed by the Supreme Court after its verdict on the Panama Papers case was split 3-2 among a five-judge bench, with the two dissenting notes in the judgment authored by Justice Asif Saeed Khosa and Justice Gulzar Ahmed.

The two judges had ruled against Sharif, saying he should be disqualified, whereas the other three were in favour of forming a JIT.

Despite the hype over the JIT and its ongoing investigations, legal and investigation experts feel the report, once it is presented to the court, will simply be the beginning of a long process.

Legal experts feel that the JIT’s report, once it is completed, may lead to further hearings.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1342584/panama-papers-jit-probe-enters-crucial-concluding-stage
 
Sorry but I may I ask; since two judges have already disqualified NS, is only one judge required from the other judges to disqualify Sharif? I have been hearing different things!
 
Sorry but I may I ask; since two judges have already disqualified NS, is only one judge required from the other judges to disqualify Sharif? I have been hearing different things!

My understanding is Nawaz is gone as long as one more judge joins the 2 who have already disqualified. I seriously can't see even 1 judge still giving benefit of doubt to Sharif after Sharif family admitted they have NOTHING to present other than what already have to Supreme court judges.
 
Sorry but I may I ask; since two judges have already disqualified NS, is only one judge required from the other judges to disqualify Sharif? I have been hearing different things!

2 judges gave a judgement 3 reserved until jit so I personally think if out of the three 1 goes against Nawaz he is gone though if the judgement is 2-1 in Nawaz favor he could claim victory and we would be in a constitutional crises so better if 2 out of the 3 or all 3 go against Nawaz. Looking at their faces on news shows I think Ganja and co think they are gone.
 
2 judges gave a judgement 3 reserved until jit so I personally think if out of the three 1 goes against Nawaz he is gone though if the judgement is 2-1 in Nawaz favor he could claim victory and we would be in a constitutional crises so better if 2 out of the 3 or all 3 go against Nawaz. Looking at their faces on news shows I think Ganja and co think they are gone.


So if only Money laundering is established than for how many years He will be disqualified ? Or will he be disqualified for ever ?

And He will be jailed for how long ?


And how much will be the fine ?


What about if tax evasion & earning through illegal, corrupt means is establushed aswell ?
 
So if only Money laundering is established than for how many years He will be disqualified ? Or will he be disqualified for ever ?

And He will be jailed for how long ?


And how much will be the fine ?


What about if tax evasion & earning through illegal, corrupt means is establushed aswell ?

10 years disqualification is enough for him because he is already 67. Even 10 years disqualification for his family (daughter/sons) will be enough because yeh dhaba kabhi mitna nae and Pakistan will only go forward in those 10 years and people will realize what actual democracy is so no chance of any come back for his family after 10 years jab log asal main thori thori jamhuryat taste ker rahe honge (although it will take many decades for our democracy to be on par with the west).
 
10 years disqualification is enough for him because he is already 67. Even 10 years disqualification for his family (daughter/sons) will be enough because yeh dhaba kabhi mitna nae and Pakistan will only go forward in those 10 years and people will realize what actual democracy is so no chance of any come back for his family after 10 years jab log asal main thori thori jamhuryat taste ker rahe honge (although it will take many decades for our democracy to be on par with the west).

20 years should be the minimum in my opinion. We need to set a precedent for the future. 10 years is more of a slap on the wrist for someone whose younger. This case needs to be used to target the future corrupts and not only Nawaz.
 
20 years should be the minimum in my opinion. We need to set a precedent for the future. 10 years is more of a slap on the wrist for someone whose younger. This case needs to be used to target the future corrupts and not only Nawaz.

Agree with you but i am not expecting too much even 10 years look like a dream to me going by the history of our courts and nazrya-e-zaruret.
 
10 years disqualification is enough for him because he is already 67. Even 10 years disqualification for his family (daughter/sons) will be enough because yeh dhaba kabhi mitna nae and Pakistan will only go forward in those 10 years and people will realize what actual democracy is so no chance of any come back for his family after 10 years jab log asal main thori thori jamhuryat taste ker rahe honge (although it will take many decades for our democracy to be on par with the west).


I hope, wish & pray that Justice prevails. If Sharif's earnt money through corruption, if Sharif's did tax evasion, if Sharif's did money laundering than I hope they are convicted and heavily punished.


But I don't see PML N or Sharif's politics dying in next 25 years atleast because Like Bhutto is loved & worshipped even today in the same way Sharif is loved & worshipped though at a smaller magnitude.


I was in primary school I guess when Zardari got jailed on multiple corruption charges. PPP got wiped from Punjab. People said now Bhutto has died & PPP is history. Sharif got 2/3rd majority in 1997. He looked mighty.


After more than a decade in 2008 Elections which for me was more fair than 2013 Elections who won ? PPP. PPP made gov in Centre and who won in Punjab under Musharaff's nose ? Nawaz Sharif.


If there are fair elections than how many seats will PML lose combining both MPA & MNA seats ? Atmost 50 ? 60 ?


Ok if there is gross rigging in favour of PPP than PML N will get wiped off for the time being. 5 years ? 10 years ? Will people forget Nawaz & Shehbaz ? Really ?

10 years later their children & grand children will be bagging Sharif's vote.


A 80 % burnt patient on death Bed fighting for his Life meets Nawaz Sharif for the first time and tells him that for years he had dreamed about meeting Nawaz Sharif and today his wish got fulfilled. You think this love will vanish with Panama Case verdict ? If you think so than you don't know Pakistanis or Pakistan's history.


We all sit here and rightly criticise PML N & PPP especially for their performance in Education & Health plus the Corruption scandals we are fed with.

But majority of Us totally ignore that what % age of Pakistan is from class, lower middle class, poverty striken social class ? Who are we at PP ? Those who can afford new clothes at Eid, can eat stuff we like, can afford internet but what about majority and their State ?

For this, jiski naali, serhak pakki hogaee, jiskay gaoun mein school dispensaey bana di gaee, jiski galli pakki hogaee, jisay loan mil gaey, jisay taxi mil gaee you think k wo Nawaz Sharif ya Bhutto ko bhool jaey ga ? Bhutto ne jin ghareeboun ko 50 saal pehlay ghar diye thay wo tou aaj takk bhutto ko nai bhoolay.


Pakistan has massive massive problems on many many fronts. Progress is not satisfactory but even this Looli Langrhee democracy has delivered to Masses and masses do not forget it.


Was Pervez Elahi's performance poor ? Dollar remained static at 58-60. We got massive foreign aid for supporting USA. But when Nawaz came back what did people do ? They saw Pervez Elahi as someone who stabbed Sharif in his back post Military Coup and they once again voted Sharif whom they had not forgotten.


Zia thought He would crush PPP through launching Sharif. He failed & PPP exists even today. But in the process He did huge blunder of Creating another Bhutto. A Sharif whom only 1000 people knew is today loved, supported & voted by Millions. Harsh Reality & it won't change because of the national circumstances & situation which masses face day in and day out.
 
Main inko rulaunga : Imran Khan

Tumhare baap ka pesa he jo bhul jayen?

I will remember these 2 lines by IK for rest of my life!
 
[MENTION=133397]WebGuru[/MENTION] [MENTION=142451]Mian[/MENTION] [MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION], time to get hopeful that the end is nigh for Kuggoo or is it more false hopes?
 
[MENTION=133397]WebGuru[/MENTION] [MENTION=142451]Mian[/MENTION] [MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION], time to get hopeful that the end is nigh for Kuggoo or is it more false hopes?

The body language and tone of derbaris specially saad rafiq in last 2 days is giving me big hope! The only worry is that there are rumors if Nawaz is disqualified than IK will be disqualified too in some other case to balance it.
 
In last 4 years IK showed these nooras what is actual opposition and how it can zaleelify you 24/7 in becharon ne is se pehle aysi opposition na dekhi na suni thi :)))
 
[MENTION=133397]WebGuru[/MENTION] [MENTION=142451]Mian[/MENTION] [MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION], time to get hopeful that the end is nigh for Kuggoo or is it more false hopes?

The JIT regular updates and SC are giving hope but i am keeping my expectations low because yahan anhoni hote daer nae lagti...
 
[MENTION=142451]Mian[/MENTION] I have heard similar rumors that they will disqualify IK as well to balance. I think the rumors are a scare tactic to make IK back off don't think he will though.
Btw what do you guys think do pmln call for fresh elections if Nawaz is disqualified or do they elect a new pm and finish the term. If they wait to long and census is completed it will be harder for Pmln to move votes from 1 seat to another to insure victory. And PPP would probably be hit as well by the population shift from rural to urban in Sindh.
At the end of the day though I think PPP and Pmln will join hands to make a government instead of letting PTI come to power. As I think PTI can get max 40% seats even after including JI etc.

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[MENTION=142451]Mian[/MENTION] I have heard similar rumors that they will disqualify IK as well to balance. I think the rumors are a scare tactic to make IK back off don't think he will though.
Btw what do you guys think do pmln call for fresh elections if Nawaz is disqualified or do they elect a new pm and finish the term. If they wait to long and census is completed it will be harder for Pmln to move votes from 1 seat to another to insure victory. And PPP would probably be hit as well by the population shift from rural to urban in Sindh.
At the end of the day though I think PPP and Pmln will join hands to make a government instead of letting PTI come to power. As I think PTI can get max 40% seats even after including JI etc.

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I am hearing maybe Nisar will come forward instead of fresh elections?

As long as Nawaz never returns as a leader again I'd even swallow IK's DQ, as disgusting as that would be.
 
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The body language and tone of derbaris specially saad rafiq in last 2 days is giving me big hope! The only worry is that there are rumors if Nawaz is disqualified than IK will be disqualified too in some other case to balance it.
If both Nawaz Sharif and Imran Khan are disqualified then its a godsend for Pakistan.
 
Leaguers’ ‘counterstrategy’ is bitterness

ISLAMABAD - With the Joint Investigation Team (JIT) wrapping up its investigation into Panama Papers revelations the Pakistan Muslim League (Nawaz) leaders have starting turning bitter and bitter against the Supreme Court appointed probe body to minimise the negative fallout of the findings.

The party leadership is busy working out strategies to tackle with possible worst outcome of the JIT findings but in all these options there is no option to confront with the institutions. However, as part of the damage control strategy the party could make the probe body controversial, which the party leaders have already started by coming up with serious charges against some of the JIT members as well as its modus operandi of investigation.

Sources in the party informed that in case of any adverse findings the party would file its objections on it with the apex court and at the same time would play with it in media and public to portray themselves as victim.

These sources said that worst come worst the party would not push the things to the extent where the system would be endangered as the fall of the incumbent political dispensation would cost the ruling party dearly which would be all means try to stretch the rule till next March when the Senate elections would take place.

Political observers say that by making the JIT controversial the PML-N leaders are actually trying to keep their electorate intact as they want to portray the PML-N leadership as victim and not the accused facing serious charges of money laundering and concealment of assets.

Actually, PML-N could not afford to tread confrontational course especially in the given situation. In case of dislodging of the sitting government in an unconstitutional fashion the ruling party would be the main loser as on one hand they would be out of power while on the other hand the Panama Leaks case would continue in the apex court against them and they would be facing courts as ordinary people with no leverage which they have right now, the observers believe.

The insiders in the ruling PML-N have confirmed that the party would push things to the level where institutions would come in direct confrontation and would contest their case in both political and legal arenas side by side.

These sources said that the party leaders are pointing out and highlighting the biases of the JIT just to make their legal case strong while by doing so they would also be keeping their electorates intact.

The sources in the party also informed that the close aides of Premier Sharif are busy preparing strategies to deal with the possible outcome of the JIT findings which would be submitted to the apex court by 10th of this month and most likely the same would come in media soon after its tabling before the three-member JIT administrative bench.

So to deal with the situation the PML-N had geared up a campaign to make the probe body controversial while some leaders are tacitly also pointing finger at the apex court judges who had equated the ruling family with Sicilian mafia and dubbed Prime Minister as godfather.

A senior leader of the ruling PML-N while commenting on the situation, said that as the JIT is politicising the investigation so the reaction of the ruling party on the findings of the probe body will also be political.

Without naming anyone, he said that certain forces are pushing them to the wall and they are subjected to this kind of treatment only because the prime minister wants to transform Pakistan into an economic power of the region.

http://nation.com.pk/newspaper-picks/03-Jul-2017/leaguers-counterstrategy-is-bitterness
 
IK in full trolling mode... :)) :)))
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">How quickly PMLN & their Motu Gang forget welcoming JIT formation with V signs & mithai! now trying to discredit it coz can't "manage" it. <a href="https://t.co/TCQpaR0p45">pic.twitter.com/TCQpaR0p45</a></p>— Imran Khan (@ImranKhanPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/881762548474949632">July 3, 2017</a></blockquote>
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I don't care if Nawaz is disqualified for 5 years only if IK or Pti comes into power as I am hoping unlike previous mukmukas between those in power we will get real ehtesab and many of these gundas, chors and murderers will be behind bars.

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You know Govt and Sharifs are in big deep hole when someone like thanda mizaaj Ishaq Dar cross all the limits and use bazaari language in his press conf after facing JIT :))

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If both Nawaz Sharif and Imran Khan are disqualified then its a godsend for Pakistan.

Agree, Zardari and Tahir ul Qadri can then have bit of fun...hazaron khawahishain aisi k har khawahish pe dum niklay :)
 
Finance Minister Ishaq Dar appears before Panama JIT

Finance Minister Ishaq Dar appeared before the Joint Investigation Team (JIT) probing the Sharif family for questioning at the Federal Judicial Academy in Islamabad on Monday.

"I answered the questions they [the JIT] asked today because I believe whatever the situation is, it is very transparent," Dar said speaking to the media after the proceedings.

"The first notice I received was dated June 28." Dar said, denying claims that he had been summoned by the JIT thrice before but had failed to appear due to prior commitments.

He claimed that Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif's name had not been mentioned in any case nor in any company documents. He alleged that those whose names are mentioned in such documents, however, were the heads of political parties.

Dar claimed that there has been a spectacle in the country for the past 23 years, adding that certain references that were filed during the rule of Gen Musharraf were based on lies.

"As far as the Panama Papers case is concerned, the PM's family presented themselves before the JIT but, just as they said, there is no case of even a rupee of corruption or scam," he alleged.

"Imran Khan used to say that from me they will find the money trail to the flats in London. Today, I have given the JIT an account of every rupee."

"You [Imran Khan] should be ashamed of conducting politics on the basis of lies," he thundered.

"My love-hate relationship with Imran Khan is very old but now I am disappointed... In 1993, when I was president of the Lahore Chamber after resigning from the Investment Board, he used to come to my office in the chamber as well as my private office. He would sit with my two sons and wait for me."

Lashing out at the Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf chief, Dar asked "With what face did you file a petition against Nawaz Sharif under Article 62? Look at yourself first."

"Imran Khan is a scared man basically. A man who hides his marriage. When you ask him where he married Jemimah Khan he says Paris... He's lying," Dar alleged.

"Imran Khan, even if no one else knows, I know. How much will you lie?" the finance minister warned.

He said that it was hurtful to see Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif's daughter, Maryam Nawaz, being summoned by the JIT as she was like a daughter to him. He added that if Khan's sister's name had also been mentioned in the documents for Niazi Services and they were summoned as Maryam was, it would hurt him.

He requested the Supreme Court to look into the matter and asked the JIT to revise its decision and send Maryam Nawaz a questionnaire to her house as opposed to asking her to appear before the JIT.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1342972/finance-minister-ishaq-dar-appears-before-panama-jit
 
Agree, Zardari and Tahir ul Qadri can then have bit of fun...hazaron khawahishain aisi k har khawahish pe dum niklay :)

Apko title regular update kerne ka bola tha... itne itne ahem events guzer gae in JIT but title waheen ka waheen he
 
You know Govt and Sharifs are in big deep hole when someone like thanda mizaaj Ishaq Dar cross all the limits and use bazaari language in his press conf after facing JIT :))

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Hahahah GREAT camera work there, have never seen Ishaq Dar more rattled before. He was literally fuming and resorted to personal attacks and sounded more like Abid Sher Ali.

Aik aik kar k sharafat ka mask sab utaar rahay hain, Imran Khan ne theek kaha tha k in sab ko buhat rulaonga.
 
Hahahah GREAT camera work there, have never seen Ishaq Dar more rattled before. He was literally fuming and resorted to personal attacks and sounded more like Abid Sher Ali.

Aik aik kar k sharafat ka mask sab utaar rahay hain, Imran Khan ne theek kaha tha k in sab ko buhat rulaonga.

They are even back to their old tricky jewish card yesterday khawaja used it and today dar i think they are still living in 90s
 
Ch Nisar is a driver now for PMLN leaders? Pehle Shobaz ko chorne aya aaj Dar ko :))
 
Apko title regular update kerne ka bola tha... itne itne ahem events guzer gae in JIT but title waheen ka waheen he

Yes but i am concentrating on main goal, can't ignore smaller milestones i guess :)
 
What a great day it will be when Sharifs are disqualified. A better victory than Champion's Trophy, 92 WC and 2009 T20 WC win combined.
 
I was ordered by Prime Minister that JIT has sent you summons, appear on time at all summons.

Whatever documents they ask you to submit, submit infront of them.

PM's Son Hassan Nawaz Sharif

 
What a great day it will be when Sharifs are disqualified. A better victory than Champion's Trophy, 92 WC and 2009 T20 WC win combined.

Greatest day in our history after the creation of Pakistan. I hope this time it finally happens and these crooks are not given a clean exit.
 

Ch Ghulam Hussain says Ishaq Dar agrees to become a witness against Sharifs in JIT. If true..:))) :)))
 

Ch Ghulam Hussain says Ishaq Dar agrees to become a witness against Sharifs in JIT. If true..:))) :)))

It probably wont be true because he would disappear very quickly if he did. But the Nooras are dazed and confused, and come what may, as i am still not convinced that enough Judges or civil servant would have the courage to go against the mafia family. If they do then they would have shown more courage than i could have done and i would pray for them for the rest of life. May Allah keep the honest ones safe.
 
Ishaq Dar was only present for 45 minutes? Why was his presence so short?

The only possibility is that he confessed!
 
July 10 is upon us. Who would have thought that the JIT would go about its work the way it has and who would have thought that the ruling party, or rather the ruling family, would be reduced thus to the last stages of desperation?

The nervousness and agitation of the N League, the fear of what is to come, is now visible. You can see it and feel it. The Sharifovs have blustered and postured and gone red in the face. But pertaining to the charges raised by the Panamagate scandal they have been able to provide no defence, not the slightest, beyond the tales spun before the Supreme Court.

Even the Qatari royal who sprang to the Sharifs’ defence with his two tributes to imaginative literature has wisely opted for discretion over valour. The Sharifs thus are left to their own devices and these are proving of not much help.

The writing is on the wall and the Noonies have read it. They just don’t know what to do because what they are experiencing is novel for them. They were always able to influence courts and rely on friendly judges. But it’s a measure of how their power and reach stand curtailed that they were neither able to influence the Supreme Court nor exercise any baleful influence over the JIT. They are left with the issuing of empty threats which no one is taking seriously.

We have just to look at what is happening in the Securities and Exchange Commission of Pakistan to realize how nothing is going right for the Sharifs. Mr Hijazi, the chairman, is saying one thing and his subordinates are reportedly affirming before the FIA that he forced them to tamper with the record regarding the Sharifs which was to be presented to the JIT.

The sons for a final hearing are again being called before the JIT. The daughter, the Princess Royal, who was being groomed, would you believe it, as successor to the prime minister, is also to appear before the same team. Ishaq Dar, the Sharifs’ former financial accountant turned country prime minister, has been called in for questioning too, and not without reason because no Panamagate inquiry can be complete without his testimony.

He was the central character in the money-laundering venture surrounding the Sharifs’ Hudaibiya Paper Mills. He submitted a handwritten confession, reportedly 45 pages long, when he was in NAB custody during the Musharraf era. All the startling details in this colourful episode he willingly provided. This was given under duress, he now claims but interestingly enough he has never denied the substance of his confession---all the details of fake accounts opened in the name of the Qazi family through which huge sums of money were dry-cleaned and used as collateral for loans by the Sharifs.

We’ve heard of fathers protecting their offspring. This must be one of those rare occasions when a father is protesting his own innocence and putting everything on the shoulders of his sons and his late father. If the sons are being interrogated and the daughter is also being called in for questioning it is only because of the peculiar defence mounted by the head of the family, Mian Nawaz Sharif.

Anyway, these are now side issues. The main thing is that Nawaz Sharif is in trouble and this realization is finally sinking into the minds of a family hitherto untouchable and unassailable. Their past is now catching up with them and in a manner they could not have visualized in their wildest dreams.

What happens next? I had a brief word with an N-Leaguer the other evening, someone who can claim to know the thinking of the leadership, or at least its psychology. I asked him if they realized that everything was about to be over and he said, yes, the realization had now dawned. I asked him the same question, what next? And he said once the axe falls on the top, as it is likely too, everything will be over. Wasn’t the party thinking of alternatives, I asked? He gave a revealing answer: in Nawaz Sharif’s dictionary this word did not exist. It was either him or nothing. If he had to go the temple could come crashing down on everyone’s head. This would be the alternative nearest to his heart.

So the threat to democracy, if there is one, is not from without, it is from within…from Nawaz Sharif himself and no external quarter.

It is up to the N League to avert such an outcome. But the N League parliamentary party is a collection of spineless individuals capable of no independent thought and no capacity for independent action. From such an assemblage what is to be expected?

The one symbol of the present order that will remain---and this is my hunch---is President Mamnoon Hussain. Empty vessels have their uses. Gen Zia made use of President Fazal Ellahi Chaudry for some time, as Gen Musharraf did of that other monument to emptiness, President Rafiq Tarar. Mamnoon Hussain outlasting his creators…wouldn’t this be funny? Mamnoon Hussain of all people having the last laugh. The Sharifs wouldn’t be able to stand it but that would be part of the joke.

What we are witnessing is a velvet coup…smooth as velvet, without sound or fanfare, without angry tweets from ISPR---note how ISPR has gone virtually silent---and no overt movement on the military front. All that is happening is according to the law and as per the decisions of the Supreme Court…the triumph, seemingly, not of arms but the rule of law. Appearances count and this is the outward appearance of things.

Even as we await the end of this riveting saga, some things are already apparent. This is now a stricken, crippled government, no longer capable of governing or exercising proper authority. The waters are gradually rising and there is nothing the Sharifs can do about it. We have seen the death or the virtual death of the PPP. We are now witnessing the last agonies of the N League. It won’t disappear completely just as the PPP hasn’t disappeared completely but its power has seeped away and a chapter in our history is coming to a close.

The blind pursuit of wealth, with the help of political power, the Sharifs raised it to an art form. Money was always influential in our politics but the Sharifs with their acquisition of vast wealth gave it an altogether different dimension. As Hasan Nisar said in one of his recent columns, they managed to corrupt the body-politic. And it seemed as if their power was endless, an entire army of pundits devoted to the task of confidently predicting that Nawaz Sharif had the next elections in his pocket.

Just when the N League was sure it had the future all sewn up, there struck this thunderbolt from the skies known as the Panama leaks…and the Sharifian future lay undone. The wages of hubris…no better title fits this drama.

http://dunyanews.tv/en/Opinion/40/The-countdown-begins
 
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