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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Hours before match, German national team was evacuated from hotel in Paris after the hotel received a bomb threat. <a href="https://t.co/5ol88SaRBB">https://t.co/5ol88SaRBB</a></p>— VICE Sports (@VICESports) <a href="https://twitter.com/VICESports/status/665306520511385600">November 13, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Where were such attacks before 9/11 ? The Air India Flight 182 hijacking credit should go to Sikhism ? The West has polarized the climate by constant bombings of Arab countries like Iraq, and Arabs in France want retaliation, nothing more complex.

Funny you should mention that, France didn't take part in the Iraq war. And, even if they did, local populations supported the entreprise, ask any Shia, Kurd or Madan, all victims of genocide by these poor "antagonized Arabs".
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Oh, NOW France closes its borders. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Hollande?src=hash">#Hollande</a></p>— Rob Lowe (@RobLowe) <a href="https://twitter.com/RobLowe/status/665302236419850240">November 13, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Looks like some people are keen to score cheap political points.


is it cheap political point though? it's his political opinion, and it's one i agree with. frankly i think it's too late for europe now.
 
You don't see Indians, Chinese doing these kinds of things in countries they've immigrated to. Islam is a factor.
Maybe if India or China was being carpet bombed by western countries there would be more pockets of extremism. Before 9/11 tell me how many Muslim immigrants committed terror attacks in the West. In the post 9/11 world with the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan that have led to radicalisation of some. But these despicable cowards need to be brought to justice. Killing innocents is never justified under any circumstances.

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Funny you should mention that, France didn't take part in the Iraq war. And, even if they did, local populations supported the entreprise, ask any Shia, Kurd or Madan, all victims of genocide by these poor "antagonized Arabs".

France has a lot of dirt under its flag. It's the only European country which not only has totally hijacked the different African independence movements (here the Anglo Saxons have been more polite), but also continue the economic exploitation of the continent. Iraq was just an example, in France it's mainly Libya. As for Shi'as or Kurds, they were Iraqi citizens and the responsibility of the Iraq state, France of all nations had no moral standing there.
 
One attack, that's all and that too was against other Indians. Muslims are immigrating to other nations and killing their hosts time and time again. Talk about being ungrateful.

They're almost all done by the children and grandchildren of immigrants rather than actual immigrants themselves.
 
Why did the "cold" Anglo Saxons erase Native Americans off the world map then, and Viking raids weren't particularly warm either. It's geopolitical.

That was all cold blooded for the sake of monetary gain (i.e. land).
 
is it cheap political point though? it's his political opinion, and it's one i agree with. frankly i think it's too late for europe now.
I think they should round up all the French Muslims and put them in internment camps and only let those back into French society once they have left Islam and shown loyalty to secularism.

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Guys no need to bring any religion into it. No religion in the world has anything to do with acts as heinous as this.

Keep the discussion civil and no personal attacks.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">BREAKING: French police official confirms 2 suicide attacks, 1 bombing near Paris stadium.</p>— The Associated Press (@AP) <a href="https://twitter.com/AP/status/665307889289076737">November 13, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Another bad new on the way when i noticed the third trend worldwide on twitter is #PrayForJapan

"Japan issues tsunami alert after powerful earthquake" magnitude was 7.0

I hope it's only a warning
 
My Iraqi petroleum lecturer once told us, it's to do with the climate. According to her the extremely high temperatures and dry conditions along with extremely polar weather promotes a particularly volatile temperament in general. Europeans in general are of a more cooler nature due to the more consistent climate - according to her anyway. Though this trends seems to be true as you go further south to the warmer European countries - i.e. Italy.

I don't think the climate has anything to do with, Carthago was after all one of the great cities of the antiquity.

When Arabs conquered the Maghreb (Ifrikya in particular), contrary to what happened in Egypt and elsewhere, they enslaved/killed a lot of the local Berber population, and then created entire towns where they settled people from the unruly/less advanced tribes of Arabia who couldn't get into the earlier conquests (for example the people who had settled Syria, Basra, Kufa or the Merv region). That tribal primitiveness lives on among them to this day, not unlike the najdi khawarij of earlier days.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">And before the bigots start: watch TV. See how many of the French security forces defending Paris are Algerian in origin. Then shut up</p>— Peter Jukes (@peterjukes) <a href="https://twitter.com/peterjukes/status/665300670807805952">November 13, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Funny you should mention that, France didn't take part in the Iraq war. And, even if they did, local populations supported the entreprise, ask any Shia, Kurd or Madan, all victims of genocide by these poor "antagonized Arabs".

They have had a long historical problem with Algerians though, particularly when the French didn't accept the election results in the early 90s in Algeria. And then there were Paris metro bombings in the mid 90s by extremist Algerian groups in revenge.

But these attacks look more likely the work of IS.
 
well his point was reinforced after this attack. maybe the timing was a bit off but this attack again proved his point.

Yeah, a great time to say 'I told you so' and 'see, I was right'. Please try and understand what you're saying here. It's extremely insensitive.
 
One attack, that's all and that too was against other Indians. Muslims are immigrating to other nations and killing their hosts time and time again. Talk about being ungrateful.

One attack of that magnitude for a minor religion isn't nothing, and "Muslims" have not been "killing" their "hosts" "time and time again", stop being an ignorant bigot.
 
They have had a long historical problem with Algerians though, particularly when the French didn't accept the election results in the early 90s in Algeria. And then there were Paris metro bombings in the mid 90s by extremist Algerian groups in revenge.

But these attacks look more likely the work of IS.

Can't blame foreign matters, these maghrebis are homegrown (like Mohammad Merah and the Charlie Hebdo attackers), born in France, fed/clothed/housed out of French taxpayers money in the suburbs of Paris. Maybe Isis recruited them but the namak harami runs in their blood since before Isis was even a thing.
 
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Yeah, a great time to say 'I told you so' and 'see, I was right'. Please try and understand what you're saying here. It's extremely insensitive.

insensitive i agree but then again he's not hurting anyone and this attack helps his argument. what's worse is ppl getting murdered in a great peaceful part of the world.
 
Some idiot US gun nuts are saying if only the people had guns - how exactly would that have protected against bombs ?

The true colours of people come out when attacks like these are exploited to score political points.
 
insensitive i agree but then again he's not hurting anyone and this attack helps his argument. what's worse is ppl getting murdered in a great peaceful part of the world.

Nobody is saying otherwise but when you use a tragedy to big up yourself, there IS a problem. Anyway, not worth discussing further. Your opinion.
 
Reports coming out that hostages are being killed one by one :( ALLAH save all the humans from these animals.
 
There's probably more Muslim civilian victims of this attack than Muslim attackers.
 
insensitive i agree but then again he's not hurting anyone and this attack helps his argument. what's worse is ppl getting murdered in a great peaceful part of the world.

Terrible attack and everyone is condemning it.

There is a time and place to make cheap political points and blame a religion if you insist on it.

I have to say you are dead wrong because it's much more complicated than that but I really don't want to debate it now.
 
These maghrebi banlieusards disgust me. Namak haramis.
There you go again. Do you know something that the authorities don't? Who's said they are/ are not 'maghrebi banlieusards' ? I suggest you keep your racist views to yourself until there is a clearer idea as to who's behind this.
 
Glad to see some sensible tweets there instead of typical "see i told you muslims are terrorists and islam promote terrorism"
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France has a lot of dirt under its flag. It's the only European country which not only has totally hijacked the different African independence movements (here the Anglo Saxons have been more polite), but also continue the economic exploitation of the continent. Iraq was just an example, in France it's mainly Libya. As for Shi'as or Kurds, they were Iraqi citizens and the responsibility of the Iraq state, France of all nations had no moral standing there.

Then by the same metric Kashmiris are the responsibility of Indian state and Palestinians of the Israeli state.

And France intervened differently in the Algeria war because Algeria was supposed to be a part of the metropole. There is a reason there are so many algerian origin French citizens in France today. Algeria was full of "pieds noirs" and Algerian loyalists, all of whom had to be relocated after the war since they were persecuted in the new Algerian state. Not saying that France didn't have a negative role but there are no good guys here and, even so, that was 3 generations ago. As for today, France is not exploiting Africa anymore than China is exploiting Pakistan and the rest of Africa. In fact, I'd argue that it has a positive role in the region.
 
Terrible attack and everyone is condemning it.

There is a time and place to make cheap political points and blame a religion if you insist on it.

I have to say you are dead wrong because it's much more complicated than that but I really don't want to debate it now.

oh i dont doubt it's a complicated issue. but then i believe u are living in denial also.

let's have this discussion at a better time.
 
Some idiot US gun nuts are saying if only the people had guns - how exactly would that have protected against bombs ?

The true colours of people come out when attacks like these are exploited to score political points.

How about this one?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">If we can survive Obama and Kerry and Hillary until we can close our own borders, we might avoid this. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ParisAttacks?src=hash">#ParisAttacks</a> <a href="https://t.co/2905NTM68c">https://t.co/2905NTM68c</a></p>— James Woods (@RealJamesWoods) <a href="https://twitter.com/RealJamesWoods/status/665305132242829312">November 13, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Because a Democrat was President during 9/11. :facepalm:
 
Guys no need to bring any religion into it. No religion in the world has anything to do with acts as heinous as this.

Keep the discussion civil and no personal attacks.

[MENTION=55088]Watsupdoc[/MENTION] Some posters are also making racist comments by blaming whole communities and/or ethnic groups. This is not the right time to indulge in racism. Please remove such racist posts.
 
There you go again. Do you know something that the authorities don't? Who's said they are/ are not 'maghrebi banlieusards' ? I suggest you keep your racist views to yourself until there is a clearer idea as to who's behind this.

Who was behind the Charlie Hebdo attacks? Mohammed Merah? This is the same modus operandi on a bigger scale. Not to mention that there have been no terror attacks in France since the end of the Cold War that werent from the Maghrebines or the Corsicans, the latter having laid down arms a while ago.
 
oh i dont doubt it's a complicated issue. but then i believe u are living in denial also.

let's have this discussion at a better time.

Well no I'm not in denial as I was one of the first to blame it on IS. That's before it was confirmed.

But you are trying to blame a religion which is absurd as these type of attacks hardly existed before the 90s so you really need to study further.

Anyway let's no go any further.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">PHOTO: French military deployed on the streets of <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Paris?src=hash">#Paris</a> as a large scale terror attack is taking place - <a href="https://twitter.com/LePoint">@lepoint</a> <a href="https://t.co/ETe0fZW61f">pic.twitter.com/ETe0fZW61f</a></p>— Conflict News (@Conflicts) <a href="https://twitter.com/Conflicts/status/665290706211205120">13. November 2015</a></blockquote>
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You have got to have your head in sand to compare some Sikh extremists to Islamic ones. Islamic ones are just on another level, gunning down people in a rampage.
Now's not the time to talk about 'good' extremists who kill versus 'bad' extremists who kill.
 
Then by the same metric Kashmiris are the responsibility of Indian state and Palestinians of the Israeli state.

I was thinking of Palestine/Israel, because that's how French political sees the issue, so why simply not apply this theorem to Iraq, like they do with undemoncratic Nuclear Korea ?

And France intervened differently in the Algeria war because Algeria was supposed to be a part of the metropole. There is a reason there are so many algerian origin French citizens in France today. Algeria was full of "pieds noirs" and Algerian loyalists, all of whom had to be relocated after the war since they were persecuted in the new Algerian state.

Algeria was "part of the métropole" because it was forcefully annexed by France in the 19th century as the post-revolution France was economically dead and needed some finances. Looks like you're justifying marital rape after some forced marriage. As for Pieds Noirs, they were loyalists to France, and traitors to Algerians - how is high treason treated in many parts of the world ? They belonged to the oppressive state apparatus.

Not saying that France didn't have a negative role but there are no good guys here and, even so, that was 3 generations ago.

Scars don't heal in the three generations.

As for today, France is not exploiting Africa anymore than China is exploiting Pakistan and the rest of Africa. In fact, I'd argue that it has a positive role in the region.

Go read about the "concept" of "Francafrique". To say that France is "not exploiting Africa anymore" is buttering crass ignorance, and to compare France's colonial past with China's purely economic exploitation (with its own evils, but with no massacres on large-scale, for instance...) is pure moral gymnastic.
 
I think attacker are not interested in negotiating and don't have any demands thats one of the reason they are killing innocent hostages
 
Who was behind the Charlie Hebdo attacks? Mohammed Merah? This is the same modus operandi on a bigger scale. Not to mention that there have been no terror attacks in France since the end of the Cold War that werent from the Maghrebines or the Corsicans, the latter having laid down arms a while ago.
That's still racist talk. At least 3 of the 2005 London bombers were of Pakistani origin. By your logic, all UK citizens of Pakistani origin should be blamed for those bombings.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">i'm almost in tears this is horrible <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PrayforParis?src=hash">#PrayforParis</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PrayforJapan?src=hash">#PrayforJapan</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PrayforBeirut?src=hash">#PrayforBeirut</a></p>— ♪bethany♪ (@craeji) <a href="https://twitter.com/craeji/status/665315619089199104">November 13, 2015</a></blockquote>
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What a scumbag Newt Gingrich is. No expressions of sympathy or condolences to the victims - straight to the GOP talking points trying to politicise a tragedy. Horrible human being.

"Imagine a theater with 10 or 15 citizens with concealed carry permits. We live in an age when evil men have to be killed by good people"

"Maybe scale of the Paris attack following Russian airline bombing and California terrorist attack will convince our leaders this is real war"

"Now can we have a serious debate about millions of Syrian refugees and how many terrorists will be in the crowd"

"The Democratic Party debate tomorrow night should focus on the long war with Islamic Supremacists and the scale of change needed to win"
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Hoping the French police don't leave one Muzzie alive inside that theater.</p>— Neal Boortz (@Talkmaster) <a href="https://twitter.com/Talkmaster/status/665314135668715520">November 13, 2015</a></blockquote>
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This is a verified account on Twitter. Really.
 
The two attackers have been killed and the concert hall seige is over.

Its all over. Thank god. Now the grieving and healing process begins, time to count the bodies and comfort loved ones.
 
I was thinking of Palestine/Israel, because that's how French political sees the issue, so why simply not apply this theorem to Iraq, like they do with undemoncratic Nuclear Korea ?

Yes and for the same reason they didn't attack Iraq even though they should have. In both Syria and Libya they helped the local oppressed who had risen out of their own courage. I'm sure that, were a civil war to break in NK, rebels would be helped in a similar way.


Algeria was "part of the métropole" because it was forcefully annexed by France in the 19th century as the post-revolution France was economically dead and needed some finances. Looks like you're justifying marital rape after some forced marriage. As for Pieds Noirs, they were loyalists to France, and traitors to Algerians - how is high treason treated in many parts of the world ? They belonged to the oppressive state apparatus.

As a part of the metropole, Algeria got benefits and integration that colonies elsewhere didn't get, which is why the independence movement was so bloody, as opposed to what happened in say the subcontinent. Your argument that France was worse than the Anglo-Saxons ignores this distinction.

Lol, high treason to whom? Did Algeria exist as a state when France annexed it? Loyalism was just as much a valid stance as secessionism, they didn't deserve to get persecuted for it.

There were a lot of French Algerians who felt closer to the newly independent state than the metropole,
Camus for example. But they had to flee all the same.

Scars don't heal in the three generations.

Populations get replaced in three generations. If there are people who weren't even alive at the time still carrying grudges then the fault lies with them, not people who had nothing to do with.

Go read about the "concept" of "Francafrique". To say that France is "not exploiting Africa anymore" is buttering crass ignorance, and to compare France's colonial past with China's purely economic exploitation (with its own evils, but with no massacres on large-scale, for instance...) is pure moral gymnastic.

Who did France massacre in Africa after the decolonization unless you are counting Boko Haram and other such anti-state outfits against whom the states specifically requested assistance? If there is any exploitation by France then it is purely economical and thus no worse than China's.

Francafrique (as it exists today) is a cultural and geopolitical cooperation concept based on a shared past (and guilt trip by the French), not unlike the British commonwealth and similar to the concept of Francophonie. Do you feel exploited being part of both of these things?
 
What a scumbag Newt Gingrich is. No expressions of sympathy or condolences to the victims - straight to the GOP talking points trying to politicise a tragedy. Horrible human being.

By the same logic, shouldn't citizens be allowed to carry stingers and buy predator drones since terrorists have the ability to weaponize planes? At least that's the way we see the right to carry assault riffles. Unless they are advocating for non-automatic weapons, in which case I doubt that would have helped against trained Ak-47 armed attackers.
 
This is gonna have big repurcussions for Europe as a whole.

So sad that France, probably the most open society in Europe finds itself the victim of attacks by subhuman savages.

Assuming it is ISIS or a group similar to them, expect fear of Islam in Europe to take another spike sadly.
 
RIP.

Is this ISIS's reply of Jihadi John's death? Police need to get these cowards and destroy them./

France has had a problem with it's African and Arab population long before Jihadi John was on the scene. The Le Pen family was ranting against even their great world cup winning team as they weren't considered genuine French because of their foreign ancestry. I find it remarkable that a party that rubbished it's own sporting heroes on racial basis has become such a force in the modern era.
 
Yes and for the same reason they didn't attack Iraq even though they should have. In both Syria and Libya they helped the local oppressed who had risen out of their own courage. I'm sure that, were a civil war to break in NK, rebels would be helped in a similar way.

They didn't help the "local oppressed", they helped armed groups against a sovereign state for their own geopolitical aims. Do you see a subtle difference, monsieur ? Do you see Iraq helping pro independence Afram parties in the US with weapons ? I'm no fan of Saddam/Kadhafi but if you see now wrong here...

As a part of the metropole, Algeria got benefits and integration that colonies elsewhere didn't get, which is why the independence movement was so bloody, as opposed to what happened in say the subcontinent. Your argument that France was worse than the Anglo-Saxons ignores this distinction.

Yes, a lot of "benefits", which includes demographic shift : millions of peoples brought from France, but even Spain and Italy, to get the jobs of the Arabs. Other "benefits" includes the Crémieux decree, which gave French citizenship to the local Jews, but the Muslims were second class "indigenous"... in their own lands. Other "benefits" include few 100 000s of deaths and, contrarily to the British, no academic institution to even mention... in fact, very much like the British, they methodically beheaded the indigenous educational system.

Lol, high treason to whom? Did Algeria exist as a state when France annexed it? Loyalism was just as much a valid stance as secessionism, they didn't deserve to get persecuted for it.

That reminds me of the Indian argument about Kashmir, that you yourself mentioned, you know, Kashmir was handed out to the Dogras on a golden plate because of their treason of Sikhs. Do you seriously think "Algerians", or the "indigenous", gave any thought to such legal and sociological considerations ? That if they were a "state", a "nation", a "tribe", ... for them, you collaborate with invaders, you're a traitor - as simple as that.

There were a lot of French Algerians who felt closer to the newly independent state than the metropole,
Camus for example. But they had to flee all the same.

Those profited of the system, namely the Jews and the Pieds Noirs, Europeans like Camus. Only few "native" Algerians were pro France, they were called harkis and all went to France anyway. Few thousands.

Who did France massacre in Africa after the decolonization unless you are counting Boko Haram and other such anti-state outfits against whom the states specifically requested assistance? If there is any exploitation by France then it is purely economical and thus no worse than China's.

Have you heard of something called "Rwanda" ? The late François-Xavier Verschave wrote dozens of full books on this very issue but apparently you missed it.

Francafrique (as it exists today) is a cultural and geopolitical cooperation concept based on a shared past (and guilt trip by the French), not unlike the British commonwealth and similar to the concept of Francophonie. Do you feel exploited being part of both of these things?

Yeah you're right, modern Francafrique is about wine and caviar.
 
This is gonna have big repurcussions for Europe as a whole.

So sad that France, probably the most open society in Europe finds itself the victim of attacks by subhuman savages.

Assuming it is ISIS or a group similar to them, expect fear of Islam in Europe to take another spike sadly.

Kind of expected from ISIS. They've been facing defeat after defeat on their territory. Now that they can't call themselves state anymore they will resort to this kind of stuff.
 
This is gonna have big repurcussions for Europe as a whole.

So sad that France, probably the most open society in Europe finds itself the victim of attacks by subhuman savages.

Assuming it is ISIS or a group similar to them, expect fear of Islam in Europe to take another spike sadly.

People say this every time there is an attack, maybe in hope by some.

Most people know war brings war, neither is justified. France has been invading, bombing and killing people in many countries around the world, mainly in Africa. They also know this is nothing to do with religion but foreign policy and the aftermath of it.

Besides France has been an Islamaphobic country for a while now, there is only so much more you can get but yes innocent Muslims will be targetted by those who obviously abhor violence on innocent people.
 
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Around 100 dead in attack on Paris concert venue: police. RIP to the victims and condolences to their loved ones.
 
People say this every time there is an attack, maybe in hope by some.

Most people know war brings war, neither is justified. France has been invading, bombing and killing people in many countries around the world, mainly in Africa. They also know this is nothing to do with religion but foreign policy and the aftermath of it.

Besides France has been an Islamaphobic country for a while now, there is only so much more you can get but yes innocent Muslims will be targetted by those who obviously abhor violence on innocent people.

How is France Islamophobic? Its probably the most tolerant country in the world re:religion. You're fine to believe it once it doesnt affect public life.

And nobody here wants innocents dead, but common sesne will dictate that if a Muslim group carries out a huge terrorist attack (Assuming it is ISIS) then people will grow more wary/fearful. Would be the same if any minority group carried out such high profile attacks/threats.
 
Unconfirmed, but the timing is a give-away.

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Is this some kind of revenge attack?
 
BREAKING: Around 100 dead in attack on Paris concert venue: police.

RIP to the victims and condolences to their loved ones ... :(
 
Around 100 people were killed during the attack on the Bataclan concert venue in Paris, French media reported.
 
Kind of expected from ISIS. They've been facing defeat after defeat on their territory. Now that they can't call themselves state anymore they will resort to this kind of stuff.

If Isis are dumb enough to get themselves bombed in Syria and Iraq, what makes you think they have the capacity to attack Europe in it's heartlands?
 
How is France Islamophobic? Its probably the most tolerant country in the world re:religion. You're fine to believe it once it doesnt affect public life.


No European country has witnessed more Islamaphobic attacks over recent years. African immigrants of Muslim background have been in conflict with French authorities for decades now.


And nobody here wants innocents dead, but common sesne will dictate that if a Muslim group carries out a huge terrorist attack (Assuming it is ISIS) then people will grow more wary/fearful. Would be the same if any minority group carried out such high profile attacks/threats.

Yeah if they are idiots, I'm sure you're not.

The same common sense sees those who have been terrorised by France to retaliate. This kind of foolish thinking on both sides spreads hatred which leads to indiscriminate violence.
 
They didn't help the "local oppressed", they helped armed groups against a sovereign state for their own geopolitical aims. Do you see a subtle difference, monsieur ? Do you see Iraq helping pro independence Afram parties in the US with weapons ? I'm no fan of Saddam/Kadhafi but if you see now wrong here...

Again, France didn't take part in Saddam's deposition. And, whoever they armed, the truth is that the local populations are free from the genocidal mass murderers that they were today. I'm sure that the madan and the Kurds don't care about your identity malaise against Europe if they get to live in a non-genocidal state.

Yes, a lot of "benefits", which includes demographic shift : millions of peoples brought from France, but even Spain and Italy, to get the jobs of the Arabs. Other "benefits" includes the Crémieux decree, which gave French citizenship to the local Jews, but the Muslims were second class "indigenous"... in their own lands. Other "benefits" include few 100 000s of deaths and, contrarily to the British, no academic institution to even mention... in fact, very much like the British, they methodically beheaded the indigenous educational system.

It went both ways, 10% of French population is Algerian. And I'm not justifying the migrations, the point is that, for good or for bad, Algeria and France's destinies were linked which made the divorce a lot harder than in other parts. And yet the death toll is still smaller than the one brought by the English negligence in the subcontinent.
That reminds me of the Indian argument about Kashmir, that you yourself mentioned, you know, Kashmir was handed out to the Dogras on a golden plate because of their treason of Sikhs. Do you seriously think "Algerians", or the "indigenous", gave any thought to such legal and sociological considerations ? That if they were a "state", a "nation", a "tribe", ... for them, you collaborate with invaders, you're a traitor - as simple as that.

The same way there was a group pretending to be part of a state named Algeria there was a group in Algeria thinking of themselves as French, and a third group (the real natives along with the Jews) who wanted and want othing to do with Algeria (the rift Berbers). None of those groups can be qualified traitors.

Those profited of the system, namely the Jews and the Pieds Noirs, Europeans like Camus. Only few "native" Algerians were pro France, they were called harkis and all went to France anyway. Few thousands.

And how were the pro-Algerians any more natives than the other people born in Algeria? The Jews had just as much right of living there and so did the people like Camus. Unless you are saying they were invaders, in which case the Algerians can give back the land to the rifts/jews/Christians and go back to Arabia.
Have you heard of something called "Rwanda" ? The late François-Xavier Verschave wrote dozens of full books on this very issue but apparently you missed it.

What does Rwanda have to do with French colonization?

Yeah you're right, modern Francafrique is about wine and caviar.

No, it's a bunch of old French men conspiring to kill Africans for the fun of it, probably franc-macons who venerate Leopold II of Belgium as their prophet.
 
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Enlightening.
 
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Enlightening.

Could possibly be the motive or using the tragic incident to further their agenda.

Now Russia is securing Assad, Nato would want ground troops to support their terrorist rebel friends in Iraq and Syria.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">French TV: the toll in the bataclan revised down to 70. The 100 dead figure is for ALL the attacks. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Paris?src=hash">#Paris</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Framce?src=hash">#Framce</a></p>— weddady (@weddady) <a href="https://twitter.com/weddady/status/665325043140833280">November 14, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Could possibly be the motive or using the tragic incident to further their agenda.

Now Russia is securing Assad, Nato would want ground troops to support their terrorist rebel friends in Iraq and Syria.

Clearly boots on the ground everywhere and guns for every man, woman and child will make the World a safer place.
 
Again, France didn't take part in Saddam's deposition. And, whoever they armed, the truth is that the local populations are free from the genocidal mass murderers that they were today. I'm sure that the madan and the Kurds don't care about your identity malaise against Europe if they get to live in a non-genocidal state.

Stop being so naïve. I mentioned Iraq as generic for the "West", with France you should mention Libya. Not that they'd care, but Kadhafi, with all his flaws, wasn't a "genocidal mass murder", there are many of them around the world, in fact, France co-opted for a dozens of them in Africa, to hijack the decolonization movement. That's the whole "Francafrique" circus.

It went both ways, 10% of French population is Algerian. And I'm not justifying the migrations, the point is that, for good or for bad, Algeria and France's destinies were linked which made the divorce a lot harder than in other parts. And yet the death toll is still smaller than the one brought by the English negligence in the subcontinent.

Your mathematical inflation for point scoring is ridiculous, no way on earth Algerians are 10%, but please do tell me what percentage the Europeans "imported" into French Algeria made.

The same way there was a group pretending to be part of a state named Algeria there was a group in Algeria thinking of themselves as French, and a third group (the real natives along with the Jews) who wanted and want othing to do with Algeria (the rift Berbers). None of those groups can be qualified traitors.

Embracing French colonial historiographical crap, very nice, are you even French ? All Algerians are more or less Arabized Berbers. There's no crap of the Banu Hilal "invasion" : all Algerians are "natives", and pretty funny that you take anthropological distances with Algerians while still believing that there's an homogeneous "Punjabi" ethnicity.

And how were the pro-Algerians any more natives than the other people born in Algeria? The Jews had just as much right of living there and so did the people like Camus. Unless you are saying they were invaders, in which case the Algerians can give back the land to the rifts/jews/Christians and go back to Arabia.

I wasn't targeting Algerian Jews, but French Jews like Crémieux who birth a decree which discriminates against one large section of the population, namely Muslims. Being a second class citizen in your own country has not happened in many colonies. Not in the subcontinent. Not even mentioning the demographic shift.

What does Rwanda have to do with French colonization?

THAT'S the whole point : look for "Francafrique".

No, it's a bunch of old French men conspiring to kill Africans for the fun of it, probably franc-macons who venerate Leopold II of Belgium as their prophet.

Leopolod II is hopefully warming hell like your French vampires and Pak Army rapist generals of East Pakistan or Nazis or... I don't know what you're trying to contemplate in me but I have no agenda.
 
At least 140 dead in Paris attacks, including 100 at theater, Paris City hall official tells Reuters. Death toll rises and rises with every upcoming breaking news ... :(
 
118 in the Paris NIGHT CLUB. Direct from the Deputy Mayor, not the total, the total is a lot more. This is horrible. French intelligence dropped the ball twice in one year. I have a friend from France whose brother was two blocks away and is flabbergasted that this happened twice in a year.
 
That's still racist talk. At least 3 of the 2005 London bombers were of Pakistani origin. By your logic, all UK citizens of Pakistani origin should be blamed for those bombings.

I don't think that a single incident is comparable to something that has been happening regularly for a while now.

People say this every time there is an attack, maybe in hope by some.

Most people know war brings war, neither is justified. France has been invading, bombing and killing people in many countries around the world, mainly in Africa. They also know this is nothing to do with religion but foreign policy and the aftermath of it.

Besides France has been an Islamaphobic country for a while now, there is only so much more you can get but yes innocent Muslims will be targetted by those who obviously abhor violence on innocent people.

You are deluded if you think that France is "so islamophobic already that it can't get worse". Victim complex at its finest. You just need to see how minorities are treated in most Muslim countries to see that it can get plenty worse and that there are actual victims of xenophobia in the world. Not "they published an article against us ergo they are islamophobic".
 
Hope none of our French based posters like [MENTION=41587]Theo_14[/MENTION] and co. have been affected.

Endy arent you in Francs at the moment?
 
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