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Have you studied the religion? Or are you talking about it without any real knowledge of it?

Majority of people are ignorant in that fashion just look at the world unite in light of this tragedy while they don't bat an eyelid when it comes to the bloodshed around the world. Very few will give focus to the apparent war on terror which has ensured more terror and then people have the audacity to blame Islamist expansionism; while false interpretations is a problem people need to look at the bigger picture
 
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Have you studied the religion? Or are you talking about it without any real knowledge of it?

not at all but there are so many muslim 'scholars' who go around preaching violence and almost every single muslim country is ravaged by religious wars of some kind. i'm just connecting the dots.

do u think the religion has played no part in islamic fundamentalism at all?
 
Majority of people are ignorant in that fashion just look at the world unite in light of this tragedy while they don't bat an eyelid when it comes to the bloodshed around the world. Very few will give focus to the apparent war on terror which has ensured more terror and then people have the audacity to blame Islamist expansionism; while false interpretations is a problem people need to look at the bigger picture

Exactly, yes what happened in Paris was bad, really bad, but this is a daily occurrence in places like Libya, Syria, Afghanistan, Lebanon and to some extent even Pakistan. Oh and by the way here many muslims have died.

So, I find it really funny that people are blaming all of this on the religion when the fact is that muslims have suffered most due to these terrorist attacks.
 
not at all but there are so many muslim 'scholars' who go around preaching violence and almost every single muslim country is ravaged by religious wars of some kind. i'm just connecting the dots.

do u think the religion has played no part in islamic fundamentalism at all?

The misunderstanding of religion has played a part yes, but the religion itself is not blame worthy, which is what you are making it look like.

I am sure there must be so called 'scholars' who preach weird ideologies, but whatever these scholars are preaching is not Islam.
 
The misunderstanding of religion has played a part yes, but the religion itself is not blame worthy, which is what you are making it look like.

I am sure there must be so called 'scholars' who preach weird ideologies, but whatever these scholars are preaching is not Islam.


i'm sorry but it is what islam is to a large proportion of the ppl in the muslim world. u have to realize that religions evolve as well.

debating whether this is pure islam or a misunderstanding is pointless imo.

the misunderstanding has happened because there are many parts of the religion that are open to violent interpretation. things like idea of jihad etc are inherently violent ideas. combine that with poor education in the muslim world and u have a deadly combination like i said before.
 
Please at least try to hide your excitement at the prospect of rising Islamophobia

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There is a major issue with Islam currently, at this rate it wouldn't be long before Islam as a religion gets banned from being practiced in the West. I am on the phone to a Turkish friend of mine right now who is a muslim; His life has become even more harder from this Paris fiasco because and is considering converting to another religion so he can live in peace. You need to start accepting reality rather than cry foul, point fingers and see if anything can be done about this .........
 
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i'm sorry but it is what islam is to a large proportion of the ppl in the muslim world. u have to realize that religions evolve as well.

debating whether this is pure islam or a misunderstanding is pointless imo.

the misunderstanding has happened because there are many parts of the religion that are open to violent interpretation. things like idea of jihad etc are inherently violent ideas. combine that with poor education in the muslim world and u have a deadly combination like i said before.

No it's not. :facepalm:

You need to go study the religion rather than debating out of ignorance.
 
not at all but there are so many muslim 'scholars' who go around preaching violence and almost every single muslim country is ravaged by religious wars of some kind. i'm just connecting the dots.

do u think the religion has played no part in islamic fundamentalism at all?

Anjem Choudhary is not a "scholar", but a provocative clown probably on MI6 payroll. Abu Muhammad al Maqdisi, the "intellectual spokesman of al Qaida", has been one of the most vocal critics of ISIS. Jaysh al Islam and a dozen of other "jihadi" outfits in Syria have condemned the Paris attacks.

I'm not even talking of mainstream scholars, but if "extremists" condemn ISIS, that should tell you something.
 
There is a major issue with Islam currently, at this rate it wouldn't be long before Islam as a religion gets banned from being practiced in the West. I am on the phone to a Turkish friend of mine right now who is a muslim; His life has become even more harder from this Paris fiasco because he is a muslim and is considering converting to another religion so he can live in peace. You need to start accepting reality rather than cry foul, stop pointing fingers and see if anything can be done about this .........

Ok first when I was crying foul or pointing fingers. You just seem to be excited at the prospect of European Muslims getting persecuted. And the prospect of Islam getting banned in the west might be one of your dreams but it's not happening anytime soon. Extremism needs to be challenged but it's not as simple as Muslims are evil. When European leaders are in bed with those who fund and are who are behind groups like Isis makes u wonder how committed they are to really ending the extremist threat.


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No it's not. :facepalm:

You need to go study the religion rather than debating out of ignorance.

i don't need to study to see the killings, the gender inequality, the barbaric punishments, the lack of respect for other religions etc etc.

and keep telling urself that i'm ignorant while innocent people in pakistan and the rest of the muslim world are killed and bombed every single day by terror groups and the situation is getting worse day by day.
 
Ok first when I was crying foul or pointing fingers. You just seem to be excited at the prospect of European Muslims getting persecuted. And the prospect of Islam getting banned in the west might be one of your dreams but it's not happening anytime soon. Extremism needs to be challenged but it's not as simple as Muslims are evil. When European leaders are in bed with those who fund and are who are behind groups like Isis makes u wonder how committed they are to really ending the extremist threat.


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Like the old saying goes no point talking to a brick wall..... Keep at it..
 
Ok first when I was crying foul or pointing fingers. You just seem to be excited at the prospect of European Muslims getting persecuted. And the prospect of Islam getting banned in the west might be one of your dreams but it's not happening anytime soon. Extremism needs to be challenged but it's not as simple as Muslims are evil. When European leaders are in bed with those who fund and are who are behind groups like Isis makes u wonder how committed they are to really ending the extremist threat.


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[MENTION=47981]b[/MENTION]olded even if we dismiss this conspiracy theory, the fact still remains that ISIS has been created by Americans admitted by CIA. CIA funded rebels against Asad's regime and in return rebels formed this ISIS. You have got to question West's intellectual or their policies when they made the same mistake twice. FIrst they indirectly (?) formed Al-Qaeda and now ISIS.

LOL@Islam would be banned. Never heard something more ridiculous!
 
[MENTION=47981]b[/MENTION]olded even if we dismiss this conspiracy theory, the fact still remains that ISIS has been created by Americans admitted by CIA. CIA funded rebels against Asad's regime and in return rebels formed this ISIS. You have got to question West's intellectual or their policies when they made the same mistake twice. FIrst they indirectly (?) formed Al-Qaeda and now ISIS.

LOL@Islam would be banned. Never heard something more ridiculous!

maybe isis was created by the americans. maybe they are still supported by them. what does it matter?

the fact is that there is a large portion of people in the muslim world who support them. that is where u should be concentrating rather than blaming americans constantly and living in denial.
 
Could not have worded it any better.
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The World, at Large — We are in mourning. Again. Indeed, Paris is in mourning, again.

For the second time in less than a year, we are all de facto Parisians — with Facebook profiles, casinos, and whole buildings draped in the blue, white, and red of the French flag. Solidarity as sympathy, bien sûr — a most poignant message that humanity stands with Paris — and will act decisively to avenge the “carnage” unexpectedly wrought by those whose motives most will never fall victim to, much less comprehend.

Most?

Evidently, despite the accumulated knowledge of the entire planet at our disposal through the computer screen, solidarity has escaped some of us.
And I am weary.

Without question, I mourn for Paris’ recent victims and their families — and I would never claim knowledgeable firsthand experience of the same. But I refuse — despite my partial French heritage — to cloak myself in nationalism of any stripe or star, particularly not now. Because, besides victims in Paris, an incomprehensibly astronomic number of people have been grieving loss of the highest order for some time — in places whose names roll off our tongues as if it’s accepted that violence simply happens there — and a majority likely couldn’t guess the colors on these victims’ flags.

You see, I also mourn for those killed mere hours before Paris crumbled into chaos, in strikingly similar attacks in Beirut.
I mourn the hundreds of thousands displaced or killed in Syria, no matter their pledged allegiance. No matter their professed religion. No matter.
I mourn for the millions killed in ongoing and renewed, illegal United States’ aggression in Iraq — and those facing a torturous demise from exposure to depleted uranium employed in violation of international and humanitarian law — for reasons far closer to ‘American’ and corporate hegemony than compassionate principle.

I mourn the untold number killed in the United States’ insidious — and seemingly permanent — war in Afghanistan. And the countless children there who know nothing of peace, much less the feeling of safety it brings. And patients and staff recently targeted, bombed, and then shot while fleeing the Médecins Sans Frontières hospital in Kunduz — and the irony of that humanitarian organization’s French roots.

I mourn those forced into human slavery or sex trafficking in Malaysia; and curse the scant hope they escape, now that the massive TPP has garnered U.S. government’s tacit approval of the abhorrence that is human trade.
I mourn for Palestinians, whose land was usurped — and whose lives and infrastructure and families and sense of security and HOMES are under siege and occupation by an illegal and actively terrorist State.

I mourn the patients and staff at the over 100 healthcare facilities in Yemen that have been BOMBED since March. And the apparently soulless who found an acceptable target in hospitals.

I mourn for Yemen.

I mourn for the victims of complicit government violence in Mexico, and 43 students and their families who lack answers.

I mourn for Chinese men, women, and children working, quite literally, as slaves, so the West can be rude at dinner and take endless pictures — of its narcissistically apathetic self.

I mourn rampant genocide — past and present — for the sake of manifest destiny. And empire. And imperialism. And inexplicable and unstated reasons.

In fact, I mourn for all victims of terror, whether State or group sponsored, without conditions attached to my grief — no matter location, nor loyalty, nor arbitrary geopolitical happenstance of location of a victim’s birth. And I’m already grieving those soon to be terror’s next victims; since, as French President François Hollande jarringly warned, avenging Paris’ victims just birthed (yet another) “PITILESS” war.

As if gentle were somehow a method to employ in waging war.
Yes, I mourn for Paris. But I do so while weeping in shame at the deplorable supercilious judgment ensconced in Western reaction to it; for countless pitiable xenophobes and their endless vapid justifications; for arrogant commentary from politicians and their media mouthpieces with their embarrassing post-tragedy clamoring to exploit ignorant heartstrings for the appropriate victims; for the endless War of Terror — and the service members who somehow haven’t yet deduced that this would ALL END if they simply refused to ****ing fight.

The fact is, grief on this scale is exhausting. And I’m very nearly out of tears.

So keep these victims around the globe in mind — every, single man, woman and child who has, who is, and who will suffer the maiming, horror, torture, and death that’s as necessary to war as those who take up arms — when you next excuse a politician’s stance on war, because the rest of his or her platform seems really promising.

Or, at least, seems the lesser of two evils.

And shake that flag from your social media profile; and your home; and your thoughts. Because as long as you wear just one flag, your attempt to stand with victims of terror is a most embarrassingly hollow solidarity, indeed.

http://theantimedia.org/america-your-solidarity-with-paris-is-embarrassingly-misguided/
 
i don't need to study to see the killings, the gender inequality, the barbaric punishments, the lack of respect for other religions etc etc.

and keep telling urself that i'm ignorant while innocent people in pakistan and the rest of the muslim world are killed and bombed every single day by terror groups and the situation is getting worse day by day.

Yes, innocent people are getting killed by 'terrorists' who have 'no religion at all'.

And lol you really need to study Islam, because you have no understanding of the religion and the above post just illustrates that.

Anyways I am done debating with you. Peace.
 
maybe isis was created by the americans. maybe they are still supported by them. what does it matter?

the fact is that there is a large portion of people in the muslim world who support them. that is where u should be concentrating rather than blaming americans constantly and living in denial.

No one is living in denial this is as much as reality as brainwashed People who support Isis. You keep making world a miserable place and fund it with your proxy wars and you expect to bring peace in the world is absurd!

ANd it's not a maybe, it's A FACT! ISIS did get created due to CIA's policy. And you think ISIS is only killing non Muslims? Just 24 hours a bomb blast killed 50+ in Beirut. A month ago over 100 people were killed in Turkey as well. ISIS is effecting world peace and you have to look towards source. Source is not religion but people who are exploiting it be it ISIS leaders' or CIA who recruits "freedom fighters" in the name of Jehad to fight the leaders.
 
Could not have worded it any better.
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The World, at Large — We are in mourning. Again. Indeed, Paris is in mourning, again.

For the second time in less than a year, we are all de facto Parisians — with Facebook profiles, casinos, and whole buildings draped in the blue, white, and red of the French flag. Solidarity as sympathy, bien sûr — a most poignant message that humanity stands with Paris — and will act decisively to avenge the “carnage” unexpectedly wrought by those whose motives most will never fall victim to, much less comprehend.

Most?

Evidently, despite the accumulated knowledge of the entire planet at our disposal through the computer screen, solidarity has escaped some of us.
And I am weary.

Without question, I mourn for Paris’ recent victims and their families — and I would never claim knowledgeable firsthand experience of the same. But I refuse — despite my partial French heritage — to cloak myself in nationalism of any stripe or star, particularly not now. Because, besides victims in Paris, an incomprehensibly astronomic number of people have been grieving loss of the highest order for some time — in places whose names roll off our tongues as if it’s accepted that violence simply happens there — and a majority likely couldn’t guess the colors on these victims’ flags.

You see, I also mourn for those killed mere hours before Paris crumbled into chaos, in strikingly similar attacks in Beirut.
I mourn the hundreds of thousands displaced or killed in Syria, no matter their pledged allegiance. No matter their professed religion. No matter.
I mourn for the millions killed in ongoing and renewed, illegal United States’ aggression in Iraq — and those facing a torturous demise from exposure to depleted uranium employed in violation of international and humanitarian law — for reasons far closer to ‘American’ and corporate hegemony than compassionate principle.

I mourn the untold number killed in the United States’ insidious — and seemingly permanent — war in Afghanistan. And the countless children there who know nothing of peace, much less the feeling of safety it brings. And patients and staff recently targeted, bombed, and then shot while fleeing the Médecins Sans Frontières hospital in Kunduz — and the irony of that humanitarian organization’s French roots.

I mourn those forced into human slavery or sex trafficking in Malaysia; and curse the scant hope they escape, now that the massive TPP has garnered U.S. government’s tacit approval of the abhorrence that is human trade.
I mourn for Palestinians, whose land was usurped — and whose lives and infrastructure and families and sense of security and HOMES are under siege and occupation by an illegal and actively terrorist State.

I mourn the patients and staff at the over 100 healthcare facilities in Yemen that have been BOMBED since March. And the apparently soulless who found an acceptable target in hospitals.

I mourn for Yemen.

I mourn for the victims of complicit government violence in Mexico, and 43 students and their families who lack answers.

I mourn for Chinese men, women, and children working, quite literally, as slaves, so the West can be rude at dinner and take endless pictures — of its narcissistically apathetic self.

I mourn rampant genocide — past and present — for the sake of manifest destiny. And empire. And imperialism. And inexplicable and unstated reasons.

In fact, I mourn for all victims of terror, whether State or group sponsored, without conditions attached to my grief — no matter location, nor loyalty, nor arbitrary geopolitical happenstance of location of a victim’s birth. And I’m already grieving those soon to be terror’s next victims; since, as French President François Hollande jarringly warned, avenging Paris’ victims just birthed (yet another) “PITILESS” war.

As if gentle were somehow a method to employ in waging war.
Yes, I mourn for Paris. But I do so while weeping in shame at the deplorable supercilious judgment ensconced in Western reaction to it; for countless pitiable xenophobes and their endless vapid justifications; for arrogant commentary from politicians and their media mouthpieces with their embarrassing post-tragedy clamoring to exploit ignorant heartstrings for the appropriate victims; for the endless War of Terror — and the service members who somehow haven’t yet deduced that this would ALL END if they simply refused to ****ing fight.

The fact is, grief on this scale is exhausting. And I’m very nearly out of tears.

So keep these victims around the globe in mind — every, single man, woman and child who has, who is, and who will suffer the maiming, horror, torture, and death that’s as necessary to war as those who take up arms — when you next excuse a politician’s stance on war, because the rest of his or her platform seems really promising.

Or, at least, seems the lesser of two evils.

And shake that flag from your social media profile; and your home; and your thoughts. Because as long as you wear just one flag, your attempt to stand with victims of terror is a most embarrassingly hollow solidarity, indeed.

http://theantimedia.org/america-your-solidarity-with-paris-is-embarrassingly-misguided/

Very well written indeed.
 
Yes, innocent people are getting killed by 'terrorists' who have 'no religion at all'.

And lol you really need to study Islam, because you have no understanding of the religion and the above post just illustrates that.

Anyways I am done debating with you. Peace.


according to u they dont follow islam but they seem to think they are. sorry but ur interpretation of the religion is not the only one that exists. there is a violent extremist element that practice the religion that cannot be refuted.

ok let's agree to disagree on this then.
 
No one is living in denial this is as much as reality as brainwashed People who support Isis. You keep making world a miserable place and fund it with your proxy wars and you expect to bring peace in the world is absurd!

ANd it's not a maybe, it's A FACT! ISIS did get created due to CIA's policy. And you think ISIS is only killing non Muslims? Just 24 hours a bomb blast killed 50+ in Beirut. A month ago over 100 people were killed in Turkey as well. ISIS is effecting world peace and you have to look towards source. Source is not religion but people who are exploiting it be it ISIS leaders' or CIA who recruits "freedom fighters" in the name of Jehad to fight the leaders.

isis is one of the many many terror groups that enjoy a large amount of support in the region. unless u think every single group was created by usa or the western world and have helped them 'brain wash' ppl.

it takes two hands to clap, bro.
 
Yeah you seen my posts on Islam but what you dont see is 95 percent of the time I am trolling these young wannabe, try hard Pakistani kids mostly from the UK who keep bringing up shi* about India over and over and over again......Yeah I know the Western interference in the middle east has a lot to do with the current events that's happening however what I do not and will not accept is muslims who come to the west have a good job, living happily but find a way to fall into islamic extremism and go do something stupid like fight for ISIS..
 
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No it's not. :facepalm:

You need to go study the religion rather than debating out of ignorance.
So how many of the millions and millions whose city or country have been affected by terrorism are going to study the religion.Hardly anyone.The deeds of the followerd will be seen as an example of what the religion teaches.That is the unfortunate truth.
 
Yeah you seen my posts on Islam but what you dont see is 95 percent of the time I am trolling these young wannabe, try hard Pakistani kids mostly from the UK who keep bringing up shi* about India over and over and over again......Yeah I know the Western interference in the middle east has a lot to do with the current events that's happening however what I do not and will not accept is muslims who come to the west have a good job, living happily but find a way to fall into islamic extremism and go do something stupid like fight for ISIS..
Bro i agree with that last bit when u are living in the west u should respect the laws of the land and shouldnt wanna impose your laws on them. I am happy living in a secular relatively free society. Much better prospect for me than if my fam stayed in my village in Pakistan. People who are born and bred here and join isis they are lost individuals who have no purpose in life. Isis ideology is poisnous. Sad thing is saudi funded madrassas and schools are increasing in the west. And bigotry and intolerance will increase too. We have seen what these madrassas have done to some parts of Pakistan. Govt needs to be proactive rather than reactive

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So how many of the millions and millions whose city or country have been affected by terrorism are going to study the religion.Hardly anyone.The deeds of the followerd will be seen as an example of what the religion teaches.That is the unfortunate truth.

Mature peoples in civilized European countries know that individual acts can't be extrapolated to 1.3 billion individuals.

Do you think he represents Jews ?

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A religious Zionist cleric from a Jewish settlement on the West Bank told mourners on Saturday during the funeral of an Israeli father and son gunned down by Palestinian terrorists that the attacks in Paris were deserved due to what Europeans "did to our people 70 years ago."
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"The wicked ones in blood-soaked Europe deserve it for what they did to our people 70 years ago," Lior said.

The controversial rabbi once wrote an approbation for a book called The King’s Torah that was co-written in 2009 by radical settler figure Rabbi Yitzhak Shapira, which permitted killing civilian non-Jews in times of war.
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Addressing the hostilities with Hamas, the rabbi continued to say that “in the case of Gaza, it would be permitted for the defense minister to even order the destruction of all of Gaza so that the South will no longer suffer and to prevent injury to our people, who have been suffering for so long from the enemies surrounding us.”

http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Fa...-attacks-are-payback-for-the-Holocaust-433084
 
Bro i agree with that last bit when u are living in the west u should respect the laws of the land and shouldnt wanna impose your laws on them. I am happy living in a secular relatively free society. Much better prospect for me than if my fam stayed in my village in Pakistan. People who are born and bred here and join isis they are lost individuals who have no purpose in life. Isis ideology is poisnous. Sad thing is saudi funded madrassas and schools are increasing in the west. And bigotry and intolerance will increase too. We have seen what these madrassas have done to some parts of Pakistan. Govt needs to be proactive rather than reactive

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All good brother, I am glad we are on the same page.. I consider myself a Westerner, I have lived 90 percent of my life in the West and I am very loyal to the country I live in, Australia has given me every opportunity to succeed in life and it is heart breaking to see anything bad happening here a place you love......... I wish you peace and success and hope you stay true and loyal to the country of stay....
 
All good brother, I am glad we are on the same page.. I consider myself a Westerner, I have lived 90 percent of my life in the West and I am very loyal to the country I live in, Australia has given me every opportunity to succeed in life and it is heart breaking to see anything bad happening here a place you love......... I wish you peace and success and hope you stay true and loyal to the country of stay....
Bro its incomprehensible to me how people born in uk or other western countries cam get radicalised to that extent. Am sorry for namecalling before. I am not normally like that emotions got the better of me. Peace to you too brother.

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German pianist plays Imagine outside Bataclan uniting Parisians in moment of peace

http://www.cbc.ca/news/trending/piano-man-paris-attacks-1.3319269

As the world grieves the co-ordinated strikes in France that killed at least 129 people Friday night, a German musician showed his sympathy Saturday by biking his portable grand piano close to the attacked Parisian concert hall and playing John Lennon's famous peace anthem Imagine.

Davide Martello, who performs under the name Klavierkunst, played the song about 100 metres from the entrance of the Bataclan concert hall, where gunmen killed hostages during a rock concert on Friday. The concert hall was the scene of the Paris attacks' worst carnage, with an estimated 89 people killed there.

 
It's terribly sad to see some scums deriving pleasure from taking innocent lives. Nobody deserves to die this way. RIP to the victims.
 
Saw some posts on timeline, about people saying they are mourning for Paris, and Baghdad and Beirut. I salute their humanity and am ashamed of my lack of it, that in spite of all this I am still planning which restaurant to go to and which movie to watch on Sunday.
 
Saw some posts on timeline, about people saying they are mourning for Paris, and Baghdad and Beirut. I salute their humanity and am ashamed of my lack of it, that in spite of all this I am still planning which restaurant to go to and which movie to watch on Sunday.

Nothing wrong with that.
 
I think a pertinent question is would any other powerful Western country apart from France would have let a repeat of such an incident happen considering the last one happened mere months ago?

French have a history of lying down without resistance and need to have a long look at themselves as to why such a thing was allowed to happen again.Madrid and London have had equally bad terrorist attacks but since then they have been very successful in reining down potential terrorist plots. Same with USA ofcourse. Why does France see such incidents repeat and why have they not done more to make them impossible to happen.
 
I think a pertinent question is would any other powerful Western country apart from France would have let a repeat of such an incident happen considering the last one happened mere months ago?

French have a history of lying down without resistance and need to have a long look at themselves as to why such a thing was allowed to happen again.Madrid and London have had equally bad terrorist attacks but since then they have been very successful in reining down potential terrorist plots. Same with USA ofcourse. Why does France see such incidents repeat and why have they not done more to make them impossible to happen.

Not really comparable, France has the biggest arab minority among western nation so, in essence, they would have to take surveillance measures on a national level to maybe prevent such attacks. Not to mention the refugee crisis and the nature of this immigration (poor and uneducated) which is completely different from the USA. Much easier to fight outside elements than domestic terrorists.

As for the history of ''lying down without resistance'', it's obviously historically inaccurate.
 
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As for the history of ''lying down without resistance'', it's obviously historically inaccurate.

The impression persists so its a moot point How historically accurate it is. (In the last century there is a case for it being true to some extent anyway).

If a group of people feel that they can carry out such stunts in a country and won't face at least proportional retribution as a result, it gives them more confidence to carry out such attacks.
 
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The impression persists so its a moot point How historically accurate it is. (In the last century there is a case for it being true to some extent anyway).

If a group of people feel that they can carry out such stunts in a country and won't face at least proportional retribution as a result, it gives them more reason to carry out such attacks.

Would you please define what do you feel the proportional retribution should be in these situations? This is a Catch 22 situation - if French minorities are aggressively 'monitored' people will cry 'retribution' and 'targeted racism' - and will risk further alienating the non-French population. If they don't then attacks happen.

In any case, the security checks and the retributions will get far aggressive now- not just in France but throughout Europe and Rest of the World.
 
The impression persists so its a moot point How historically accurate it is. (In the last century there is a case for it being true to some extent anyway).

If a group of people feel that they can carry out such stunts in a country and won't face at least proportional retribution as a result, it gives them more reason to carry out such attacks.

Do you have any proof that this stereotype is a motivator for terrorists? If anything, it should be a counter-argument to choosing france the same way 9/11 happened to America, not switzerland.

Besides, if your argument is that there is an impression of it then you should have written that in your post instead of trying to get away with falsely presenting your inaccurate ''impression'' as factual history.
 
I think a pertinent question is would any other powerful Western country apart from France would have let a repeat of such an incident happen considering the last one happened mere months ago?

French have a history of lying down without resistance and need to have a long look at themselves as to why such a thing was allowed to happen again.Madrid and London have had equally bad terrorist attacks but since then they have been very successful in reining down potential terrorist plots. Same with USA ofcourse. Why does France see such incidents repeat and why have they not done more to make them impossible to happen.
Very easy to say why has France 'allowed' this to happen again.

Britain is an island, and therefore relatively much easier to prevent the smuggling in of machine guns, ammunition and high explosives. In contrast, France is in mainland Europe, with open borders stretching all the way into parts of the former Soviet Union as well as into the former Yugoslavia Balkan states. All of which are awash with easily available weapons of all sorts. And therefore extremely easy to smuggle these weapons into France.

Read this article from the Telegraph

The short answer is that France fights jihadists worldwide; has one of the largest Muslim populations in Europe – and arguably the most divided society. It also has a steady stream of guns pouring in from across continental Europe's porous borders. It is a potent, explosive mix – as shown by the Charlie Hebdo attacks of January, and now the Paris shootings.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...tacks-Why-has-France-been-targeted-again.html
All of the factors mentioned above cannot be fixed in a day, or even at all. For example, unless there is a fundamental change in the EU treaty regarding open borders and free movement of people and goods within the European Union, it's almost impossible to stop weapons and explosives being smuggled in.

So no, there are no simple answers. And questions such as why France 'allowed' such an incident to be repeated simply shows a complete lack of understanding of not only France and French society, but also the treaties and workings of the European Union.
 
Video circulating on internet. French soldiers bombing a village in Afghanistan, and joking about the situation ("I think they'll have to rebuilt it", "some fresh meat tonight", ...). At the end, an ex soldier says "there could (sic) have been collateral damages, but they're not taken into account".

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Perhaps ISIS should have used drones and called the Frenchies collateral damages.
 
Video circulating on internet. French soldiers bombing a village in Afghanistan, and joking about the situation ("I think they'll have to rebuilt it", "some fresh meat tonight", ...). At the end, an ex soldier says "there could (sic) have been collateral damages, but they're not taken into account".

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Perhaps ISIS should have used drones and called the Frenchies collateral damages.

It depends on what you can relate to. Many of us here are fortunate to live in both muslim world and the west. Most arent

People here will always value Western Life more then Middle Eastern lives. For most i dont think this is deliberate, its just the sub-consciousness. When people in the West see people being gunned down in Paris they think 'it could have been me', when they see bombs being dropped on the Muslim world they have a different reaction, mostly 'it must be hitting the bad guys'.

Its a similar reason why Muslims in general dont support military action. Its because we know the people dying in those bombs could be innocent friends, innocent family.

I know it can be hard to watch sometimes, people will grieve for 10 ten people in the west more compared to 1000s of civilians dead in drone strikes, but we have to remember our opinions are based on where we grew up, its hard to escape your identity, just simply human nature
 
This is what PM Modi said in BRIC summit currently under way.

"We strongly condemn the Paris attack. Beirut is also a reminder of terrorism. Entire humanity must stand as one against terrorism"

Laudable statement from him, not discriminating between victims of terrorism, as some (most?) are prone to.
 
Video circulating on internet. French soldiers bombing a village in Afghanistan, and joking about the situation ("I think they'll have to rebuilt it", "some fresh meat tonight", ...). At the end, an ex soldier says "there could (sic) have been collateral damages, but they're not taken into account".

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Perhaps ISIS should have used drones and called the Frenchies collateral damages.

Well when you put it like that, it's hard to feel sorry isn't it?
 
Well when you put it like that, it's hard to feel sorry isn't it?

again though whats the difference between that and french people not feeling sympathy for muslims based on the actions of a few

Ill be the first to say the Governments of the West have plenty of hypocrisy and blood on their hands when it comes to dealing with the world especially the middle east, but lets not make the mistake of extending that to the normal people.
 
again though whats the difference between that and french people not feeling sympathy for muslims based on the actions of a few

Ill be the first to say the Governments of the West have plenty of hypocrisy and blood on their hands when it comes to dealing with the world especially the middle east, but lets not make the mistake of extending that to the normal people.

It's not 50/50 though because these videos are brushed under the carpet.
 
again though whats the difference between that and french people not feeling sympathy for muslims based on the actions of a few

Ill be the first to say the Governments of the West have plenty of hypocrisy and blood on their hands when it comes to dealing with the world especially the middle east, but lets not make the mistake of extending that to the normal people.

The thing is "normal people" can wait hours to buy an iPhone but you won't see them protest against their country killing thousands in brownistans.

The "normal people" are not innocents, but passives, and like Israelis can enjoy annihilating Gazans without being accused of terrorism (considering that it's state-apparatus violence), the same way many French hold discussable views about this region and their passivity is probably more criminal than what we may think.

The Western powers declare every Afghan, Iraqi, ... civilian as a potential collateral damage, why couldn't ISIS apply the same theorem to these Westerners.
 
The thing is "normal people" can wait hours to buy an iPhone but you won't see them protest against their country killing thousands in brownistans.

The "normal people" are not innocents, but passives, and like Israelis can enjoy annihilating Gazans without being accused of terrorism (considering that it's state-apparatus violence), the same way many French hold discussable views about this region and their passivity is probably more criminal than what we may think.

The Western powers declare every Afghan, Iraqi, ... civilian as a potential collateral damage, why couldn't ISIS apply the same theorem to these Westerners.

i get where you are coming from, trust me on that . I know a lot about their methods, i know about there Signature Strikes which make any male over 15 a legitmate target. The issue is why should the muslim world stoop to their level.

Even if we ignore the fact one cannot just declare themselves a calpih, there willingness to kill other sunnis let alone civilians and the fact they are quit clearly Kharijites which were prophesied in the Hadith, how is the position of muslims helped by ISIS shooting up civilians ?
 
naturally, but lets not drop down to their levels

Still, morally it's hard to see how dreadful people can be only for them to be shown as victims when they get what they put in.

You are what you eat after all... Sadly nobody in the western world will look in between the lines.
 
Still, morally it's hard to see how dreadful people can be only for them to be shown as victims when they get what they put in.

You are what you eat after all... Sadly nobody in the western world will look in between the lines.

some people do, agreed its not the general public but a voice is there. Glenn Greenwald writes brilliantly on such topics
 
i get where you are coming from, trust me on that . I know a lot about their methods, i know about there Signature Strikes which make any male over 15 a legitmate target. The issue is why should the muslim world stoop to their level.

Even if we ignore the fact one cannot just declare themselves a calpih, there willingness to kill other sunnis let alone civilians and the fact they are quit clearly Kharijites which were prophesied in the Hadith, how is the position of muslims helped by ISIS shooting up civilians ?

The word for terrorism in Arabic is hirabah, and in medieval Islamic jurisprudence, "terrorism" was the fact to make roads unsafe for civilians. That says enough of what I think of shootings in stadia (let alone blowing yourself up in a populated mosque). But you and me didn't go through what they did : imagine being an Iraqi from Baghdad who's capital has suffered hundred of missiles on daily basis in 2003. Even if he didn't lose a single relative or even friend (hard), the psychological damages are done (I'm not even mentioning the economic embargo and the chemical weapons which, till today, give malformed Iraqi babies) : in that case, you don't care what Islam or anything says. You just want the Westerners to go through at least once in what you've been going though for aeons and regularly.
 
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The word for terrorism in Arabic is hirabah, and in medieval Islamic jurisprudence, "terrorism" was the fact to make roads unsafe for civilians. That says enough of what I think of shootings in stadia (let alone blowing yourself up in a populated mosque). But you and me didn't go through what they did : imagine being an Iraqi from Baghdad who's capital has suffered hundred of missiles on daily basis in 2003. Even if he didn't lose a single relative or even friend (hard), the psychological damages are done (I'm not even mentioning the economic embargo and the chemical weapons which, till today, give malformed Iraqi babies) : in that case, you don't care what Islam or anything says. You just want the Westerners to go through at least once in what you've been going though for aeons and regularly.

Yes, I'm sure banlieusards algerians experienced the terrors of fallujah.

And again, France didn't take part in the Iraq war.
 
The word for terrorism in Arabic is hirabah, and in medieval Islamic jurisprudence, "terrorism" was the fact to make roads unsafe for civilians. I think that says enough of what I think of shootings in stadia (let alone blowing yourself up in a populated mosque). But you and me didn't go through what they did : imagine being an Iraqi from Baghdad who's capital has suffered hundred of missiles on daily basis in 2003. Even if he didn't lost a single relative or even friend, the psychological damages are done (I'm not even mentioning the economic embargo and the chemical weapons which, till today, give malformed Iraqi babies) : in that case, you don't care what Islam or anything says. You just want the Westerners to go through at least once in what you've been going though for aeons and regularly.

I hear you bro. That is why I understand (but dont support, just like you) when Hindu mobs lynch Muslims, or demolish mosques. because they have seen their religion being desecrated and their people being killed, their institutions damaged, their women raped, and this psychological damage is the reason some hindus forget their secularism and react like those jihadis did.
 
Yes, I'm sure banlieusards algerians experienced the terrors of fallujah.

And again, France didn't take part in the Iraq war.

Could you please keep your pseudo Frenchie patriotism in a fridge for the moment. We talked generically of Westerners here, and France has done enough crimes in Africa (Algeria, Libya, ...) to have its fair share of legitimate enemies. British Raj looked like an humanitarian laboratory compared to French maximalist atrocities in Algeria.

I hear you bro. That is why I understand (but dont support, just like you) when Hindu mobs lynch Muslims, or demolish mosques. because they have seen their religion being desecrated and their people being killed, their institutions damaged, their women raped, and this psychological damage is the reason some hindus forget their secularism and react like those jihadis did.

That's why I support Hindu ultra nationalism and the TNT.
 
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The word for terrorism in Arabic is hirabah, and in medieval Islamic jurisprudence, "terrorism" was the fact to make roads unsafe for civilians. I think that says enough of what I think of shootings in stadia (let alone blowing yourself up in a populated mosque). But you and me didn't go through what they did : imagine being an Iraqi from Baghdad who's capital has suffered hundred of missiles on daily basis in 2003. Even if he didn't lost a single relative or even friend, the psychological damages are done (I'm not even mentioning the economic embargo and the chemical weapons which, till today, give malformed Iraqi babies) : in that case, you don't care what Islam or anything says. You just want the Westerners to go through at least once in what you've been going though for aeons and regularly.

i agree with you , but that doesnt make it right and there are many who hold true to religious values.

I'm not gonna sit here and pretend i know what these people go through, but as arrogant as this sound it still isnt the right thing to do even though we know they would do same with far less reason to do so.


I still get sick in the stomach when i sometimes see the amount of grief that 3 dead innocent Americans in Boston got and then the grief that say the Al Sifa bombing caused, potentially millions that may have died as a result of medicine shortages, but as clique as it sounds maybe that in its self is a test of fate, and again i know its easy for me to say that as compared to the poor people in gaza, but what else can we do but stay true to our values?
 
Could you please keep your pseudo Frenchie patriotism in a fridge for the moment. We talked generically of Westerners here, and France has done enough crimes in Africa (Algeria, Libya, ...) to have its fair share of legitimate enemies. British Raj looked like an humanitarian laboratory compared to French maximalist atrocities in Algeria.



That's why I support Hindu ultra nationalism and the TNT.

Very refreshing to see a muslim supporting the babri masjid demolition. May your tribe increase.
 
Could you please keep your pseudo Frenchie patriotism in a fridge for the moment. We talked generically of Westerners here, and France has done enough crimes in Africa (Algeria, Libya, ...) to have its fair share of legitimate enemies. British Raj looked like an humanitarian laboratory compared to French maximalist atrocities in Algeria.

Still didn't adress how the terrorism of algerian suburban kids is justified because the ''psychological torture they experienced''.

And, yes, the British Raj with its victims numbering the tens of millions is definitely worse than Algerian France. But wouldn't expect a wannabe arab from Al-Brussaliya to side with his own over the arabs.
 
The terrorists were Belgium-born arabs and the whole planning happened in Belgium. Maybe [MENTION=137893]enkidu_[/MENTION], himself coming from the same part of belgium, can explain us which psychological terrors they experienced to take arms against a country that had little to do with them, be it from the perspective of the iraq war or their day to day lives.

http://www.rtl.fr/actu/societe-fait...ournante-du-terrorisme-en-belgique-7780517590

http://deredactie.be/cm/vrtnieuws.english/News/1.2496387
 
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Video circulating on internet. French soldiers bombing a village in Afghanistan, and joking about the situation ("I think they'll have to rebuilt it", "some fresh meat tonight", ...). At the end, an ex soldier says "there could (sic) have been collateral damages, but they're not taken into account".

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Perhaps ISIS should have used drones and called the Frenchies collateral damages.

So this is what they show in Molenbeek mosques to motivate the belgian kids to hate France...
 
The terrorists were Belgium-born arabs and the whole planning happened in Belgium. Maybe [MENTION=137893]enkidu_[/MENTION], himself coming from the same part of belgium, can explain us which psychological terrors they experienced to take arms against a country that had little to do with them, be it from the perspective of the iraq war or their day to day lives.

http://www.rtl.fr/actu/societe-fait...ournante-du-terrorisme-en-belgique-7780517590

http://deredactie.be/cm/vrtnieuws.english/News/1.2496387

More precisely I come from the very municipality mentioned, but they're Arabs, when you bomb Arabs, you're bound to get reactions from other Arabs, it's nearly mathematical, especially from the psychologically fragile young men who just need a little impetus to indulge into violence.

French felt pain for Americans after 9/11 because both are Westerners, in that case both are Arabs.

And again, it's not limited to the Iraq war, but I don't see the point in repeating it. Have you ever heard of a country named Libya.
 
More precisely I come from the very municipality mentioned, but they're Arabs, when you bomb Arabs, you're bound to get reactions from other Arabs, it's nearly mathematical, especially from the psychologically fragile young men who just need a little impetus to indulge into violence.

French felt pain for Americans after 9/11 because both are Westerners, in that case both are Arabs.

And again, it's not limited to the Iraq war, but I don't see the point in repeating it. Have you ever heard of a country named Libya.

Well, if that's where you come from, can't hate you for that opinion since terrorists and their ideologues are so pervasive there. I'd try to change your opinion but I don't have the talent necessary to change years of indoctrination.

By the way, weren't you arguing that algerians are actually not arabs? I think you forgot to answer my reply on the subject...
 
Well, if that's where you come from, can't hate you for that opinion since terrorists and their ideologues are so pervasive there. I'd try to change your opinion but I don't have the talent necessary to change years of indoctrination.

I condemn ISIS and other pseudo jihadi lunatics, but I'm just saying that from THEIR perspective, the issue is not as "illegitimate". They target France because of its colonial and recent past in the region, and also because France has bombed their caliphate. You'll never see such operation in Slovenia, and there's a set of reasons more complex that to say that they "hate our freedoms" or that one day they wake up and see in the Qur'an that you should attack French stadia.

By the way, weren't you arguing that algerians are actually not arabs? I think you forgot to answer my reply on the subject...

Algerians are Berbers ethnically and Arabs culturally, apart from the Kabyles who are not Arabized in any form, minus very few traditional urban centres like Bejaia or Tizi Ouzou. From Morocco up to Iraq there are few ethnic Arabs, but they're nearly all (minus Kurds and few groups) culturally Arabs. There's an Arab identity which makes an Iraqi Arab closer to a random Moroccan than an Iraqi Kurd and so on. Thus the sense of solidarity. If a French feels he belong to the same "people" as a Greek ("Western civilization"), I don't know why the Arab bond would be more irrational.

I didn't reply because you're unable to amend your positions, you wanted the last word and I gave up.
 
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I condemn ISIS and other pseudo jihadi lunatics, but I'm just saying that from THEIR perspective, the issue is not as "illegitimate". They target France because of its colonial and recent past in the region, and also because France has bombed their caliphate. You'll never see such operation in Slovenia, and there's a set of reasons more complex that to say that they "hate our freedoms" or that one day they wake up and see in the Qur'an that you should attack French stadia.

The perspective being that they experienced bombing in Baghdad (which France had nothing to do with it). Doubt that Belgium born arabs experienced said bombing. And the difference between France and Slovenia is that France has a bigger muslim maghrebine population since they also tried to bomb Madrid whereas Spain had nothing to do with colonialism in african nations beyond a few towns on the mediterranean.

Algerians are Berbers ethnically and Arabs culturally, apart from the Kabyles who are not Arabized in any form, minus very few traditional urban centres like Bejaia or Tizi Ouzou. From Morocco up to Iraq there are few ethnic Arabs, but they're nearly all (minus Kurds and few groups) culturally Arabs. There's an Arab identity which makes an Iraqi Arab closer to a random Moroccan than an Iraqi Kurd and so on. Thus the sense of solidarity. If a French feels he belong to the same "people" as a Greek ("Western civilization"), I don't know why the Arab bond would be more irrational.

I didn't reply because you're unable to amend your positions, you wanted the last word and I gave up.

If that was true then the Kabyles/Berbers and the Arabs would be identical in all ways besides their language. We know that to be untrue, both from observation and from genetical analysis. For example, the y chromosome haplotype E-M215 is present at more than 90% among Berbers but at less than 50% among maghrebine arabs. Similarly, the haplogroup J-M267, typical marker of yemeni arabs, is absent among Berbers but present in maghrebine arabs in the same proportion as Iraqi arabs.

We also have extensive records of state-sponsored arab migrations which is why know that only are 50k arabs initially settled in Egypt (some came with later armies like the tahirids and the fatimids) while number was, counting Spain+Ifrikya, much higher in the maghreb (above the million mark). That doesn't account for natural/economical migrations which makes the number even higher.
 
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The perspective being that they experienced bombing in Baghdad (which France had nothing to do with it). Doubt that Belgium born arabs experienced said bombing.

France might not have been bombing Baghdad in the previous gulf wars, but they have definitely been involved in the current bombings of Syria/Iraq. France has also taken a far more aggressive stance against Islam in France in general, they are not like Britain where being different to the mainstream is still okay. The bans on headscarves, Charlie Hebdo and the rise of the racist parties all contribute to the growing militant backlash IMO. Weren't they trying to force pork onto the school menus as well recently? The French seem to have taken a hard line against their Islamic community and they are probably getting blowback from that.
 
France might not have been bombing Baghdad in the previous gulf wars, but they have definitely been involved in the current bombings of Syria/Iraq. France has also taken a far more aggressive stance against Islam in France in general, they are not like Britain where being different to the mainstream is still okay. The bans on headscarves, Charlie Hebdo and the rise of the racist parties all contribute to the growing militant backlash IMO. Weren't they trying to force pork onto the school menus as well recently? The French seem to have taken a hard line against their Islamic community and they are probably getting blowback from that.

For years France has fought against Christian clergy/nobility. Can any resident historian give examples of the French getting blowback from the catholic community?
 
There is a major issue with Islam currently, at this rate it wouldn't be long before Islam as a religion gets banned from being practiced in the West. I am on the phone to a Turkish friend of mine right now who is a muslim; His life has become even more harder from this Paris fiasco because and is considering converting to another religion so he can live in peace. You need to start accepting reality rather than cry foul, point fingers and see if anything can be done about this .........

Bull Diarrhea
 
Yeah you seen my posts on Islam but what you dont see is 95 percent of the time I am trolling these young wannabe, try hard Pakistani kids mostly from the UK who keep bringing up shi* about India over and over and over again......Yeah I know the Western interference in the middle east has a lot to do with the current events that's happening however what I do not and will not accept is muslims who come to the west have a good job, living happily but find a way to fall into islamic extremism and go do something stupid like fight for ISIS..

Was Hamilton District School Board that bad ? Sheeez, Canada did suck back in the 80s i guess.
 
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France might not have been bombing Baghdad in the previous gulf wars, but they have definitely been involved in the current bombings of Syria/Iraq. France has also taken a far more aggressive stance against Islam in France in general, they are not like Britain where being different to the mainstream is still okay. The bans on headscarves, Charlie Hebdo and the rise of the racist parties all contribute to the growing militant backlash IMO. Weren't they trying to force pork onto the school menus as well recently? The French seem to have taken a hard line against their Islamic community and they are probably getting blowback from that.

That is a boat load of poppycock.

First off, it is the muslims of France who started the hardline behaviour, not any of the French. It is the muslims who came up with demands for pork to be kept off school menus in areas where they were in considerable numbers. The most problematic neighbourhoods in France are those where arab and muslim immigrants live in large numbers. They are known to set fire to schools, indulge in vandalism and declare no-go areas for others. The French never did all this.

The very fact that France has western Europe's largest Muslim population should tell you how liberal the French have been.

Unlike the British, who are wallowing in self-regret about what their ancestors did in their now non-existent empire and are turning a blind eye to any atrocity that their minorities may commit, the French are a proud lot who like to keep their country and follow their culture. That may be wrong according to some socialist idiots but right in the overall scheme of things.

I sincerely hope these Paris attacks put an end to the tolerance given to the thuggery by the ethnic minorities in the name of 'political correctness'.
 
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That is a boat load of poppycock.

First off, it is the muslims of France who started the hardline behaviour, not any of the French. It is the muslims who came up with demands for pork to be kept off school menus in areas where they were in considerable numbers. The most problematic neighbourhoods in France are those where arab and muslim immigrants live in large numbers. They are known to set fire to schools, indulge in vandalism and declare no-go areas for others. The French never did all this.

The very fact that France has western Europe's largest Muslim population should tell you how liberal the French have been.

Unlike the British, who are wallowing in self-regret about what their ancestors did in their now non-existent empire and are turning a blind eye to any atrocity that their minorities may commit, the French are a proud lot who like to keep their country and follow their culture. That may be wrong according to some socialist idiots but right in the overall scheme of things.

I sincerely hope these Paris attacks put an end to the tolerance given to the thuggery by the ethnic minorities in the name of 'political correctness'.

Are you sure it has nothing to do with colonization?
 
I sincerely hope these Paris attacks put an end to the tolerance given to the thuggery by the ethnic minorities in the name of 'political correctness'.

You shouldn't hope such things unless you look like an average French. You know racists tend to attack wrong people.
 
France might not have been bombing Baghdad in the previous gulf wars, but they have definitely been involved in the current bombings of Syria/Iraq. France has also taken a far more aggressive stance against Islam in France in general, they are not like Britain where being different to the mainstream is still okay. The bans on headscarves, Charlie Hebdo and the rise of the racist parties all contribute to the growing militant backlash IMO. Weren't they trying to force pork onto the school menus as well recently? The French seem to have taken a hard line against their Islamic community and they are probably getting blowback from that.

The same bombings that allowed for ISIS to lose 40% of its territory to kurds, iraqis and saa? Why would any muslim outside of ISIS be against that?

And, as for the ban on headscarves, that has nothing to do with muslims. If muslims are stupid enough to make it about themselves to feed their victim complex then what can one say?

Pork is a non-issue since they give veg meals and all non-slaughtered in halal way meat is haram.

As for the extremist parties, that is definitely worrying but one has to realize they were never going to go above 10-15%, maybe these attacks will change that.
 
France might not have been bombing Baghdad in the previous gulf wars, but they have definitely been involved in the current bombings of Syria/Iraq. France has also taken a far more aggressive stance against Islam in France in general, they are not like Britain where being different to the mainstream is still okay. The bans on headscarves, Charlie Hebdo and the rise of the racist parties all contribute to the growing militant backlash IMO. Weren't they trying to force pork onto the school menus as well recently? The French seem to have taken a hard line against their Islamic community and they are probably getting blowback from that.

Utter BS.
1. France is anti show of any religious symbols in public life or school. Irrespective of religion (be it christanity, islam or sikhism) you are discouraged from displaying religious symbols in public. Just as they banned the islamic headscarf in schools, turbans for sikhs and crossed for catholics was not allowed to be displayed in schools.

If you want to wear your headscarf or cross or turban, then get the fook out of france and live somewhere its allowed. The French will not and should not change their culture for some retards.

2. Charlie Hebedo criticises everyone, be it blacks, jews, pope or islam. Again, French way of life, and nothing wrong with it. If you can't take criticism, then its your problem

3. Pork - Pork is served in all french schools, and the french have some delicious pork recipes. Pork has always been a part of school lunches. It was not brought in due to a bunch of muslims suddenly arriving at french schools. It was the muslims who demanded its ban.
If eating pork hurts your religious sentiments, then dont eat. If you dont want to go to school that serves pork, then go somewhere else. Or else, why not go and live somewhere pork is banned!

Having lived in France, I love the french way of life. The French are fiercely proud about it, and they should be. If you dont agree, get the hell out!
 
2. Charlie Hebedo criticises everyone, be it blacks, jews, pope or islam. Again, French way of life, and nothing wrong with it. If you can't take criticism, then its your problem

I'd love to see caricatures on the Paris attacks like they did recently with that Russian air-plane shot down, to have a better idea of the "French way of life".
 
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Hope none of our French based posters like [MENTION=41587]Theo_14[/MENTION] and co. have been affected.

Endy arent you in Francs at the moment?

Bro, my flag is Netherlands. I'm based in UK. But value your concern.

Unfortunately my friends' friend passed away during the shootings - horrific news and horrific scenes. Paris is stunned in silence and the confidence to go out is even more insecure for the civilians there.
 
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