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PCB announces 15-member squad for T20I series against West Indies

Good on Inzi to get the Rahat in the squad, upcoming youngsters like Amir, Hasan, Shaheen can learn a lot from the phenom :rahat
 
Pakistan had wonderful chance to play all young team to experiment, because its WI who got beaten by Afghanistan comfortably.
 
Players can be selected on PSL performances but cant be dropped when they have performed ok at international level.

Ahmad Shahzad's last 8 T20I innings:
19, 44, 27, 22, 89, 43, 39, 53,
Total= 336 runs in 8 inns
 
Titan24 said:
Players can be selected on PSL performances but cant be dropped when they have performed ok at international level.

Ahmad Shahzad's last 8 T20I innings:
19, 44, 27, 22, 89, 43, 39, 53,
Total= 336 runs in 8 inns
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Surely if any one of us would have been a selector we wouldnt have dropped someone with such performances in last 8 international innings (Its from recent to last)
 
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Square Drive said:
Would've had Farhan and Zafar over Shehzad and Rahat.

I would've also added Yamin and perhaps Maqsood as well, given that it is a home series.

Haris dropped, but with his fitness he shouldn't even be playing T20s.

Overall, not too bad though.

Fakhar Zaman (VC)
Babar Azam
Hussain Talat
Sarfraz Ahmed* (WK)
Shoaib Malik
Asif Ali
Fahim Ashraf
Shadab Khan
Mohammad Nawaz
Mohammad Amir
Usman Shinwari

Rotate the pacers around.

Have Shehzad warm the bench throughout.
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Agree with this, it will be better once Malik is booted out and a pacer replaces him in the XI. And then Imad replaces Nawaz.
 
Ahmad Shehzad and Rahat. why?
why does Shehzad always get drafted in the team even when he cant score in PSL? In fact, he cost his team some matches due to his turtle-like batting.
Not only Inzi, every selector seems to have some liking towards him for unknown reasons.
 
Square Drive said:
Only one proper spinner, though?
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It is a risk, but I am never convinced by Nawaz, he has ability but no self confidence imo, sort of the opposite of Imad.

If Zafar was there id play him. However I do think that extra spinner should come in place of Faheem
 
My question is
If you can pick players who performed in psl then why you can't drop players who not performed in psl.
 
Pretty good squad if you take out Ahmed Shehzad and Rahat Ali, still decent though.

My XI:

Fakhar Zaman
Babar Azam
Hussain Talat
Sarfraz Ahmed(C)(WK)
Shoaib Malik
Asif Ali
Fahim Ashraf
Shadab Khan
Mohammed Amir
Hasan Ali
Shaheen Afridi
 
Ahmad shahzad the only reservation. Otherwise the selection is good. Rahat Ali has inswing and pace and in middle order he can be very handy when Pak plays Nawaz and with Amir opening the ball. If nawaz cannot played so Shenwari can share the new ball with Amir. Keeping Malik is necessary because too much youngsters can also spoil the broth. I think Shahabzada Farhan can be selected on his national t20 performance although did not get enough chance in starting X1. I can see the problem with Ahmad Shahzad is more pychological rather than cricketing. A blunt, sharp fast playing under age boy performed well in all levels and almost conquered all the formats in early days scored century against SouthAfrica in SouthAfrica also been settled in test matches. Suddenly was hit by the ball and out of cricket. Confidence shattered,change in style of play, fear, pressure, and after it could not settled in the team. He should be given almost one and Half years time to focus on domestic and to strong its mind and focus.
 
Shehzad and Rahat? What the heck? When are we going to learn from our mistakes. Both are proven failures at international level. I wouldn't mind even Kamran in place of Shehzad. At least he can win a game on his day, but Shehzad is a disgrace.
 
So Badree has confirmed that he will be in the WI squad.

Samuels,Fletcher,Walton and Rayad Emrit all have also visited Pakistan for PSL matches in the past.I think they will also be in the squad.
 
Arham_PakFan said:
So Badree has confirmed that he will be in the WI squad.

Samuels,Fletcher,Walton and Rayad Emrit all have also visited Pakistan for PSL matches in the past.I think they will also be in the squad.
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gayle,lewis,samuels,narine must come than the series will be exciting
 
Hasan123 said:
But all of that was a long time ago. Hardly any in last 10 years or so.
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That's the root cause of most problems, trust me. Let me explain, you'll agree; though this thread isn't appropriate for this discussion - team is selected, therefore they need to be supported.

Previously (for me, it's the Imran/Javed era and partially 90s when Wasim was in charge), what happened is that PAK used to break almost every record by age. Reason, this guy Khan was a bit fascinated with young people.

I am writing from memory, may be you can check - every batsman that debuted in that era were officially just above teenagers, may be few a bit further - I believe Amir (Sohail) was the oldest debutante at "official" 23. Take a random pick - Malik 18, Rambo 22, Shoaib 21, Mainul Atiq 21, Rizwanuzzaman 21, Inzi 21, Saeed 22, Fazal 18, Ijaz 17, Muztaba 19, Qasim (Omer) 20, Shahid Saeed 21, Haider 22, Moin 19, ..........

For bowlers, Khan Shaheb... - Aquib 16, WY 17, Wasim 18, Jafar 19, Ata 17, Kamal 19, Zakir 19, Mushi 18, Maqsood Rana 17, Hafiz (Azim) 19, Jallauddin 19, Tahir Naqqas 19 ....... after Khan, for few years Wasim had the same taste as well - Razzak 17, Nazir 19, Zahid 20, Nazir (Amir) 19, Saqlin 19, Salim Elahi 17, Shadab Kabir 18, Kabir Khan 19, Malik 17 .... Wasim always had to compromise as his own backside wasn't clean, still he tried.

The idea was simple - the system is capable to produce raw material but it's not proficient enough to brew perfect blend. So, bring them raw and green - show them the outer world outside their shed how far the sky is, give couple of years opportunity to roam round at the highest level - those who can see the light will end up as Wasim, otherwise Salim Jafar (that guy Jafar was 6'4"+, could swing new ball as good as Wasim and he was faster than Amir - unfortunately made by glass with origin of Chinese made ......).

And it worked perfectly - kids coming at tender "official" age of 18/19 - spend 1/2 years at the highest level - by 23-25, some of them became wold class, by 29 international veteran, by 31-32 lose appetite for Internationals and by 35 retired from all sorts of cricket.

In last 15-20 years, that definition of "youngsta buti" has changed as that debut age has shifted from 16-23 to 25-35 ....... BUT, UNFORTUNATELY that "official age" still is remaining with an asterisk and within inverted comma in MMHS's posts - that's the mother of all problems. On top of that, last 10-15 years PAK has been led by "not so ambitious" Captains, rather Captains who would love to be surrounded by own people to protect his chair - hence that average age of the side has moved from youngest Test squad to oldest Test squad.

Even you can fix majority of the problems around PAK team and I am writing it here - use a chainsaw to brutally chop out everything obsolete and make the average age of the squad "Officially" 25, with 2, max 3 players over "official" 29 and at least 1/3rd in "official" teens - it'll end in a nose dive for few months, may be a year or so, but by 2023, that squad might end up winning WC in India.
 
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babajee said:
Won’t the current squad do this anyway?
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I don't have time machine and obviously my post should suggest that I don't think so. Otherwise, "change" isn't suggested - why fix something that's not broken?

What do you think?
 
MMHS said:
I don't have time machine and obviously my post should suggest that I don't think so. Otherwise, "change" isn't suggested - why fix something that's not broken?

What do you think?
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We will if Hafeez, Malik, Azhar, Shehzad, Imam etc aren’t there :)
 
MMHS said:
That's the root cause of most problems, trust me. Let me explain, you'll agree; though this thread isn't appropriate for this discussion - team is selected, therefore they need to be supported.

Previously (for me, it's the Imran/Javed era and partially 90s when Wasim was in charge), what happened is that PAK used to break almost every record by age. Reason, this guy Khan was a bit fascinated with young people.

I am writing from memory, may be you can check - every batsman that debuted in that era were officially just above teenagers, may be few a bit further - I believe Amir (Sohail) was the oldest debutante at "official" 23. Take a random pick - Malik 18, Rambo 22, Shoaib 21, Mainul Atiq 21, Rizwanuzzaman 21, Inzi 21, Saeed 22, Fazal 18, Ijaz 17, Muztaba 19, Qasim (Omer) 20, Shahid Saeed 21, Haider 22, Moin 19, ..........

For bowlers, Khan Shaheb... Aquib 16, WY 17, Wasim 18, Jafar 19, Ata 17, Kamal 19, Zakir 19, Mushi 18, Maqsood Rana 17, Hafiz (Azim) 19, Jallauddin 19, Tahir Naqqas 19 ....... after Khan, for few years Wasim had the same taste as well - Razzak 17, Nazir 19, Zahid 20, Nazir (Amir) 19, Saqlin 19, Salim Elahi 17, Shadab Kabir 18, Kabir Khan 19, Malik 17 .... Wasim always had to compromise as his own backside wasn't clean, still he tried.

The idea was simple - the system is capable to produce raw material but it's not proficient enough to brew perfect blend. So, bring them raw and green - show them the outer world outside their shed how far the sky is, give couple of years opportunity to roam round at the highest level - those who can see the light will end up as Wasim, otherwise Salim Jafar (that guy Jafar was 6'4"+, could swing new ball as good as Wasim and he was faster than Amir - unfortunately made by glass with origin of Chinese made ......).

And it worked perfectly - kids coming at tender "official" age of 18/19 - spend 1/2 years at the highest level - by 23-25, some of them became wold class, by 29 international veteran, by 31-32 lose appetite for Internationals and by 35 retired from all sorts of cricket.

In last 15-20 years, that definition of "youngsta buti" has changed as that debut age has shifted from 16-23 to 25-35 ....... BUT, UNFORTUNATELY that "official age" still is remaining with an asterisk and within inverted comma in MMHS's posts - that's the mother of all problems. On top of that, last 10-15 years PAK has been led by "not so ambitious" Captains, rather Captains who would love to be surrounded by own people to protect his chair - hence that average age of the side has moved from youngest Test squad to oldest Test squad.

Even you can fix majority of the problems around PAK team and I am writing it here - use a chainsaw to brutally chop out everything obsolete and make the average age of the squad "Officially" 25, with 2, max 3 players over "official" 29 and at least 1/3rd in "official" teens - it'll end in a nose dive for few months, may be a year or so, but by 2023, that squad might end up winning WC in India.
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Good post. Understand what your saying. A shame that we moved away from that culture and mindset. These oldies hold on too long now.
 
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From that squad I guess I'd pick

1. Fakhar
2. Babar
3. Sarfraz
4. Malik
5. Talat
6. Asif Ali
7. Faheem Ashraf
8. Nawaz
9. Shadab
10. Hasan
11. Amir

Windies is a spin weak team, so probably makes better sense to choose a second spinner than a fourth pacer. I probably would have gone with Zafar but since he's not in the squad, Nawaz.

Junaid was average, Raees was good until injured and not great on the PSL tour. Shaheen wouldn't mind giving a debut but probably is still raw, he wasn't extraordinary in the PSL despite that one game. Depends how badly we want to win or not, if we're just experimenting fine. Glad he's in the squad, if there are any dead rubber games or we want to rest players, I'd rest him.

Shinwari is the one I have trouble over. At times looks really good, others ordinary. Though as I said if we really want to win, it's likely the spinner will cause WI more problems. Plus the extra batting he adds is good given the line up looks pretty brittle especially against pace.
 
A breath of fresh air this squad. No TTFs at all. As usual though, some people are still finding things to cry over.

Shehzad averages 33 with a SR of 120 in his last 11 IT20s.
 
If i am not mistaken the first match is this sunday ...Windies havent even announced their squad yet never mind landed in Pakistan which is kind of worrying
 
When will West Indies announce their T20I squad for their tour of Pakistan?

West Indies still hav not even announced their squad. Also, their is no news of their travel arrangements and preparations for the tour which starts in a few days. So are they really even coming??
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Now that I'm back home, I can say with certainty that the <a href="https://twitter.com/thePSLt20?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@thePSLt20</a> was very well organised and served it's purpose of exposing new Pakistani talent. Been to Pak twice and will return for a 3rd visit in a few days time, cricket will be back in all its glory soon.</p>— samuel badree (@qmanbad) <a href="https://twitter.com/qmanbad/status/978629488383877120?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 27, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Anybody fancy guessing the squad ? Who are coming ? I guess Marlon Samuels, Rayad Emrit & Samuel Badree are in for sure. 3/15
 
It's not very professional to leave it this late before naming a team.

On another note, I hope tickets are close to sold out.
 
shokz1408 said:
It's not very professional to leave it this late before naming a team.

On another note, I hope tickets are close to sold out.
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They have to find players who can tour. Board has offered WI players 25K for touring Pak. Now the negotiations will be going on. They should be able to announce it today or tomorrow...
 
Gubol123 said:
They have to find players who can tour. Board has offered WI players 25K for touring Pak. Now the negotiations will be going on. They should be able to announce it today or tomorrow...
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I know, but still, I would have thought they would know who they're sending 3 days before the first game. Nevertheless, I hope the team is named tonight.
 
shokz1408 said:
I know, but still, I would have thought they would know who they're sending 3 days before the first game. Nevertheless, I hope the team is named tonight.
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PCB should put their foot down and ask WI to man up and release the squad. I am sure WI will be able to find enough players to tour.. Pak just held a successful T20 final.. so i am sure they are in a better position to leverage that success and demand some respect
 
Lol if it is like a windies c team, then that's also a bad thing. Could mean Shehzad and Malik secure their spot in the team. I hope they're sending a good team after consecutive successful PSL games in Pakistan.
 
pakistanigoneaussie said:
Looks like it will be a windies c team
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of course it will be a C team.. they sent a B team to quality for the world cup.. here they have to pay bonus money to make players tour. What else can we expect.

This is a good opportunity for pak to blood some youngsters... may be put up their own B/C team so that you guys will get to see some youngsters performing..
 
after a long time, Pakistan will start as favorite. They will be under huge pressure to not lose to this Windies C team. I am looking forward to this series. Pakistan usually do well when they are big underdog as there is nothing to lose. But they are generally not that good when they are a big favorite or expected to win a game.
 
PCB should say no to any team that is atleast not the same as the one that competed in WC qualifiers.. anything less is a step back..
 
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