PCB needs to take a stand and forfeit the India-Pakistan World Cup group stage game

[Mobashir]

I don’t think we should boycott the game.
We have no advantage in doing this and actually there is no reason at all in doing this.

For me the situation is that BCCI are acting like cry babies for no reason at all and let them go as far as they want in their ridicule thinking.
We should not even awnser them, just ignore them and let them cry as much as they want.

 

[TalhaSyed]

Not sure about forfeiting the WC game but something has to be done by PCB to give out a message to ICC and Cricketing world that we have had enough. Things can't go like they have been going forever.

And stance isn't written in stone that it can't change. I don't even believe that we have any stance currently , we are just playing in their hands.

We have to start somewhere and now is the time

Yea I get that - however, what do you think the stance shall be?

 

[Mirpur express]

PCB should absolutely forfeit this match. A third 8/9 wicket thrashing might be too much for Pakistan to take after what happened in the Asia Cup. Just give us the points and save yourselves the misery

More chances of a CT17 FINAL repeat

 

[cricket4all]

Why should PCB forefit the match? it's India who has a problem so let them forefit the match and they should stick to that also if they have to face Pak in any knock out stages. Actually, better for India to leave cricket and anything else Pakistan is associated with then you guys can make your boycot protest that way.

 

[jadaja]

More chances of a CT17 FINAL repeat

Chances of India thrashing Pakistan like it has done in recent past except one flukey day are more. using CT 2017 final is getting tired, move on.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

"no need for us to stoop to the Indian government's level."

Been hearing this stuff from Pakistanis for the last 10 years. And when you honestly reflect you come to the conclusion that it's a fact that Pakistan never stooped to their level during all these years but the question is what have we gained by acting in a 'nice' manner?
Situation s actually got worse for us. It's time to resist the never ending slide

If we don't act first then they will and we will have nothing but egg on our face.

We need to make this call first and make our political stance clear.

First of all India is never going to do this. Can you imagine the outcry in India if they somehow manage to miss the knockouts or the final? Cricket is like a religion there and this is a risk even the Indian govt. doesn't have the guts to take.

Secondly, what do you suppose we will accomplish by boycotting the game besides three points down the drain and lost revenue? India can afford to do something like this (from a financial stand-point) because their board is rich and powerful, ours is not.

Ultimately though, it's about a matter of principle. Cricket is a sport and not a battleground for political discourse (India is stretching the very meaning of this term in this case). What India is doing by not playing us in bilateral series reflects on their small-minded mentality to not be able to separate the two things.

 

[msb314]

Yea I get that - however, what do you think the stance shall be?

Suspend ALL cricketing ties with the BCCI until they are willing to come to the table and engage in talks with us regarding committing to playing regardless of the political landscape.

If we meet them in a final or SF - the decision. To play or not to play them can be decided on a case by case basis.

 

[msb314]

First of all India is never going to do this. Can you imagine the outcry in India if they somehow manage to miss the knockouts or the final? Cricket is like a religion there and this is a risk even the Indian govt. doesn't have the guts to take.

Secondly, what do you suppose we will accomplish by boycotting the game besides three points down the drain and lost revenue? India can afford to do something like this (from a financial stand-point) because their board is rich and powerful, ours is not.

Ultimately though, it's about a matter of principle. Cricket is a sport and not a battleground for political discourse (India is stretching the very meaning of this term in this case). What India is doing by not playing us in bilateral series reflects on their small-minded mentality to not be able to separate the two things.

As I have learnt from experience - never say never...

There is already talks by cricketing officials in the BCCI to boycott the Pakistan game in the WC.

If we don’t act first - then they will...

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

As I have learnt from experience - never say never...

There is already talks by cricketing officials in the BCCI to boycott the Pakistan game in the WC.

If we don’t act first - then they will...

Why are you so worried about optics? or how it will look? You're failing to look at the bigger picture which is that not only will Pakistan get 3 free points but India's petty nature and small-mindedness will be exposed in front of the entire world.

 

[msb314]

Why are you so worried about optics? or how it will look? You're failing to look at the bigger picture which is that not only will Pakistan get 3 free points but India's petty nature and small-mindedness will be exposed in front of the entire world.

I am looking st the bigger picture but unfortunately it does not involve “WC points” or even the WC campaign.

Unfortunately - the world does not work that way and I”m pretty sure the BCCI will receive a lot praise and many countries will stand in solidarity with them for taking a strong political stance and respecting their people’s sentiments by potentially putting their entire WC campaign at risk. However - we will be left with nothing but egg on our face - as always ...

 

[Chokli]

I am looking st the bigger picture but unfortunately it does not involve “WC points” or even the WC campaign.

Unfortunately - the world does not work that way and I”m pretty sure the BCCI will receive a lot praise and many countries will stand in solidarity with them for taking a strong political stance and respecting their people’s sentiments by potentially putting their entire WC campaign at risk. However - we will be left with nothing but egg on our face - as always ...

get over it mate.

we're not going to be forfeiting the game anyway.

glad we don't have people like you in PCB

 

[cricketAXEpert]

Isolate us from who?

India?

LOL that ship sailed a long time ago and I do not foresee us resuming any type of ties or engagements with them for the next several years atleast.

England?

Yes it may leave a sour taste in their mouth considering all the marekting, logistics and other work that goes into organizing such a big tournament. However, we are touring them just before the WC anyway and considering the large Pakistani diaspora in the UK - it should be a profitable series for them. We will also play them during the Test championships so I doubt there will be too many issues.

The rest of the countries don't care one bit if we play or not play India in the WC.

There are plenty of ships that Haven't sailed...That can sail if ...

We are isolated because no one wants to come to Pakistan and play. We loose revenue in every series, we even have to play PSL in Dubai in empty stadiums. now if forfeit matches against India in WC, India will stop playing Pakistan in International competitions, who will loose more? Pakistan. Where is the Next World cup in 2023. INDIA. BCCI can refuse to host Pakistan altogether.

Ijaz Butt Boycotted just 1 IPL and BCCI has not allowed a single Pakistan player in IPL ever since in retaliation to Ijaz Butt's blunder. Pakistan is in bad enough spot. Silly bravado will only backfire

 

[zoeyfactor]

Let India forfeit and give us the points.

 

[msb314]

get over it mate.

we're not going to be forfeiting the game anyway.

glad we don't have people like you in PCB

LOL yes - we have people in the PCB who sit around and do nothing pretending that the "sports should be kept different than politics" policy still works in this day and age whilst we bleed money by wasting it on lawsuits, legal proceedings etc.

Total shambles.

 

[msb314]

There are plenty of ships that Haven't sailed...That can sail if ...

We are isolated because no one wants to come to Pakistan and play. We loose revenue in every series, we even have to play PSL in Dubai in empty stadiums. now if forfeit matches against India in WC, India will stop playing Pakistan in International competitions, who will loose more? Pakistan. Where is the Next World cup in 2023. INDIA. BCCI can refuse to host Pakistan altogether.

Ijaz Butt Boycotted just 1 IPL and BCCI has not allowed a single Pakistan player in IPL ever since in retaliation to Ijaz Butt's blunder. Pakistan is in bad enough spot. Silly bravado will only backfire

No one wants to play in Pakistan because of the secuirity situation and even that is slowly improving. We have good relationships with every cricket board barring ACB, BCCI and BCB so the bilateral tours will slowly begin to happen...

India may stop playing Pakistan in ICC tournaments anyway and there is a likelihood that they would announce the boycott first. Then what? What would have been the point of us saying nothing and pretending that everything is okay?

I won't go into details about the 2023 WC since it is 4 years away and a lot can happen since then.

You are worried about about the consequences of BCCI's retaliation but they are not retaliating - they are simply being the aggressors and severing ties with us. It is the PCB who has to retaliate now...

 

[mon858]

I have a solution....
Both captains show up. Do the toss.
Declare the innings at 0 or not send out batsman , each will be declared out after 2 min I think. Then other team also declares at 0. Games is a tie and they both get a point while not having played the game.






But what if the other side decides to not declare

 

[giri26]

No one is forfeiting anything. That is not going to happen.

 

[Savak]

Treat India like they don't exist or matter just like we are doing now.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

More chances of a CT17 FINAL repeat

Meh. Fluke of the highest order. World cups are a different story altogether

 

[jaf348]

It would be stupidity for Pakistan (or India for the matter) to forfeit the group stage game. What happens if both sides end up meeting in the semis or final? I am sure one would call the others bluff should such a situation arise.

 

[MenInG]

PCB should sit tight and let things take their course.

 

[msb314]

I have a solution....
Both captains show up. Do the toss.
Declare the innings at 0 or not send out batsman , each will be declared out after 2 min I think. Then other team also declares at 0. Games is a tie and they both get a point while not having played the game.






But what if the other side decides to not declare

That is only possible if both teams and cricket boards are willing to talk and agree upon a mutual solution - in the current political landscape that is VERY unlikely to happen.

 

[msb314]

PCB should sit tight and let things take their course.

Sitting and doing nothing has long been our strategy and its safe to say it has never worked...

 

[MenInG]

Sitting and doing nothing has long been our strategy and its safe to say it has never worked...

Well we were very proactive in the MoU case.

 

[msb314]

It would be stupidity for Pakistan (or India for the matter) to forfeit the group stage game. What happens if both sides end up meeting in the semis or final? I am sure one would call the others bluff should such a situation arise.

If both sides reach and play each other in the SF or Final - then a decision on a case by case basis can be made then.

 

[msb314]

Well we were very proactive in the MoU case.

Ahh yes the "honor the MOU case" lol.

We are especially active in doing legal challenges and going to court simply wasting all of our hard earned money but when it matters the most and making cricket/political decision - we lag behind the others tremendously.

 

[Braveheart]

It's up to India to stand up to their wayward 'Principals' and forfeit.
After all, it is a problem of their own making in their 'drama' ridden country.
And surely, if they can ban the exports of Tomatoes to Pakistan then they can forfeit a game of cricket.

 

[Chokli]

LOL yes - we have people in the PCB who sit around and do nothing pretending that the "sports should be kept different than politics" policy still works in this day and age whilst we bleed money by wasting it on lawsuits, legal proceedings etc.

Total shambles.

yup, glad we're not forfeiting for something that isn't even going to matter in 4 months

 

[Braveheart]

Can you imagine the Security operation at the Old Trafford game if it was to go ahead?
Given the crazy 'Anti-Pakistani' protests by what I can only describe as 'Drunk', 'Drugged-up' and hysterical Indians in London last weekend, I can see the World Cup fixture becoming a very violent encounter.

 

[Rana]

Can you imagine the Security operation at the Old Trafford game if it was to go ahead?
Given the crazy 'Anti-Pakistani' protests by what I can only describe as 'Drunk', 'Drugged-up' and hysterical Indians in London last weekend, I can see the World Cup fixture becoming a very violent encounter.

I went to the Pakistan v India clash at Birmingham in 2017 and it really was a very uncomfortable experience. Not just because Pakistan were severely thrashed but due to the large volumes of Indian fans, you will always find the odd trouble maker who gets so drunk and starts to cause issues for the minority Pak fans knowing that he is surrounded by plenty of Indians.

 

[Khan12]

I went to the Pakistan v India clash at Birmingham in 2017 and it really was a very uncomfortable experience. Not just because Pakistan were severely thrashed but due to the large volumes of Indian fans, you will always find the odd trouble maker who gets so drunk and starts to cause issues for the minority Pak fans knowing that he is surrounded by plenty of Indians.

They are bunch of cowards. Would start nodding their head when they are alone, but with a group they act tough.

 

[Saj]

Pakistan has already forfeited too many World Cup matches to India over the years.

Best not to forfeit this one.

 

[TalhaSyed]

Suspend ALL cricketing ties with the BCCI until they are willing to come to the table and engage in talks with us regarding committing to playing regardless of the political landscape.

If we meet them in a final or SF - the decision. To play or not to play them can be decided on a case by case basis.

Surely even you see the hypocrisy of that stance...

I think there are two obvious issues with this stance:

1) The political landscape cant - and will never - be ignored. Expecting it to be ignored would be living in fools paradise.

2) Suspend all cricket ties....but then decide on a case by casee basis during global eventa. This is the same hypocritic stance which the BCCI has adapted for years. I'd rather not set the BCCIs stance as a target for us

If BCCI want to Behance like kids and throw a tantrum - let them. If they want to forfeit the match - let them. Why should we shoot ourselves in the foot. Specially when the fact is that no one would care what our stance is. The same way that no one apart Pakistanis care about what BCCIs stance on the matter is

 

[jaf348]

If both sides reach and play each other in the SF or Final - then a decision on a case by case basis can be made then.

If Pakistan decides to forfeit the group stage game but not the SF or final then to me that is a sign of weakness. It's either everything or nothing.

 

[msb314]

Pakistan has already forfeited too many World Cup matches to India over the years.

Best not to forfeit this one.

I think its fair to say that winning or losing this game should be the least of our concerns now.

Especially now that even our participation in the WC is stake..

 

[msb314]

Surely even you see the hypocrisy of that stance...

I think there are two obvious issues with this stance:

1) The political landscape cant - and will never - be ignored. Expecting it to be ignored would be living in fools paradise.

2) Suspend all cricket ties....but then decide on a case by casee basis during global eventa. This is the same hypocritic stance which the BCCI has adapted for years. I'd rather not set the BCCIs stance as a target for us

If BCCI want to Behance like kids and throw a tantrum - let them. If they want to forfeit the match - let them. Why should we shoot ourselves in the foot. Specially when the fact is that no one would care what our stance is. The same way that no one apart Pakistanis care about what BCCIs stance on the matter is

If Pakistan decides to forfeit the group stage game but not the SF or final then to me that is a sign of weakness. It's either everything or nothing.

Boycotting a group stage game is very different than boycotting a knockout game. A pathway to the knockout stage can still happen whilst avoiding a team in the group stages and it is upto the BCCi or the PCB if it wants to go down that path of making a political statement and take the risk of forfeiting 3 points. However, in the knockout stages - winning each game is necessary to World Cup glory and hence cannot be forfeited. Despite the political tension - India and Pakistan both have the intention of trying to win the WC come May.

[MENTION=3474]TalhaSyed[/MENTION] - it is hard to ignore the political landscape now but that is something the BCCI would have to commit to if it wants to play Pakistan in iCC tournaments. They need to commit to a stance and stick to it!

 

[TalhaSyed]

Boycotting a group stage game is very different than boycotting a knockout game. A pathway to the knockout stage can still happen whilst avoiding a team in the group stages and it is upto the BCCi or the PCB if it wants to go down that path of making a political statement and take the risk of forfeiting 3 points. However, in the knockout stages - winning each game is necessary to World Cup glory and hence cannot be forfeited. Despite the political tension - India and Pakistan both have the intention of trying to win the WC come May.

[MENTION=3474]TalhaSyed[/MENTION] - it is hard to ignore the political landscape now but that is something the BCCI would have to commit to if it wants to play Pakistan in iCC tournaments. They need to commit to a stance and stick to it!

Two points:

1) Why should we boycott the group game?
2) Ignoring the political landscape is never going to happen. It's never happened in the past and it's never going to happen now. That applies to sporting relationships for any two countries.

 

[Hbomb00]

Meh. Fluke of the highest order. World cups are a different story altogether

So by your logic flukes happen once or twice LOL we defeated England in semis was that a fluke? we defeated Saffers was that a fluke? and we defeated you guys when you were the favourites.. Flukes don't happen regularly you see you were outplayed that day. Accept it and we accept we were outplayed in Asia Cup

 

[msb314]

Two points:

1) Why should we boycott the group game?
2) Ignoring the political landscape is never going to happen. It's never happened in the past and it's never going to happen now. That applies to sporting relationships for any two countries.

If both countries want to have any sort of cricketing ties with each other - the precedent has to be set that political issues will not impact the sport.

Otherwise - we will be having this same conversation after every such incident...

 

[TalhaSyed]

If both countries want to have any sort of cricketing ties with each other - the precedent has to be set that political issues will not impact the sport.

Otherwise - we will be having this same conversation after every such incident...

That is an unrealistic expectations to have. The political climate between any two countries will always have an impact on their sporting ties

 

[msb314]

That is an unrealistic expectations to have. The political climate between any two countries will always have an impact on their sporting ties

That will be a shame because there will be no moving forward then.

Cross cultural exchanges, movies, songs may temporarily unite us but all it will take is another international incident for everything to fall to pieces again and we will be back to square one.

 

[msb314]

It's up to India to stand up to their wayward 'Principals' and forfeit.
After all, it is a problem of their own making in their 'drama' ridden country.
And surely, if they can ban the exports of Tomatoes to Pakistan then they can forfeit a game of cricket.

There is a strong chance of that happening and that is part of the problem.

If they do that and we don't - it makes us appear weak and eager to play just for the almighty dollar.

Perception is key yet the PCB fails to understand that everytime

 

[msb314]

Bump!

After today’s incident - enough is enough...

Time for diplomacy and “doing nothing” is over. Need to maintain a very tough stance against the BCCI and forfeit the WC game (until BCCI is willing to talk)

 

[Chokli]

Bump!

After today’s incident - enough is enough...

Time for diplomacy and “doing nothing” is over. Need to maintain a very tough stance against the BCCI and forfeit the WC game (until BCCI is willing to talk)

nah, let them forfeit the game.

 

[Mirpur express]

Chances of India thrashing Pakistan like it has done in recent past except one flukey day are more. using CT 2017 final is getting tired, move on.

Why ? I WANT A REPEAT

 

[Mirpur express]

Meh. Fluke of the highest order. World cups are a different story altogether

Well you guy been fluking for way too long it’s our turn to get a double fluke

 

[Bilal7]

It might sound ridiculous and even just a few months back - I was among the few who advocated for renewing cricketing ties with India (mainly for monetary gain) but honestly the situation is beyond hopeless now and only seems to get worse with each passing event. I think we need to realize that cricketing ties with India are is not possible for the next decade or so.

Given the political climate - PCB needs to act now and immediately inform the ICC, BCCi and the Indian Govt that it is forfeiting the India-Pak WC Group stage game. If PCB doesn't do it - I am pretty sure BCCI will do it anyway but if we act first it will be a major statement that we can also implement the necessary boycotts, restrictions, bans etc. given the current political climate. A show of strength if drastically needed!

If ICC fines us - so be it. We have always gotten the short end of the stick with the ICC every time and this time - it will be no different. Losing those 3 points doesn't bother me much either since we have a low change of winning the WC anyway. If we meet India in the WC SF or Final - the course of action can be decided then but I think an appropriate and measured response is to forfeit the group stage game. With a few months advance notice - hopefully the organization and logistics will not be impacted as much.

Now to be clear - I have the utmost respect for the Indian cricket team and admire some of their players as legends and global icons but the current situation is not conducive to cricketing ties. Once the situation hopefully normalizes - we can hold discussions with the BCCI on the next steps.

The PCB needs to act NOW and take a stand. We all need to be united as fans, players, media etc. and give our full support!

Thoughts?

Maybe a poll will be a good idea.

It would be an awful, idiotic and nonsensical move. Can I please know what you were thinking when you came up with this idea?

 

[Canford Cliffs]

If Pak dont play us this time...they will lose their best chance to beat India in a world cup. A middle order of Dhoni, Rayudu and Karthik is there for taking

 

[Bilal7]

If Pak dont play us this time...they will lose their best chance to beat India in a world cup. A middle order of Dhoni, Rayudu and Karthik is there for taking

Why would both keepers play? Pandya and Jadhav should be locks for the WC, no?

 

[msb314]

It would be an awful, idiotic and nonsensical move. Can I please know what you were thinking when you came up with this idea?

I have mentioned it multiple times in this thread but I will say it again.

This entire fiasco has left us looking weak and indecisive - not just the PCB but all institutions associated with Pakistan.

If we play this game - we will be doing exactly what the BCCI wants us to do, which is suspending bilateral ties but playing ICC tournaments due to the glut of money involved and tournament prestige.

So here is the question.

Why should we continue to accept the status quo and not grow a spine and force BCCI's hands? Let them know loud and clear that we will not entertain ANY cricketing ties with the BCCi unless they are willing to come to the table and talk to us about bilateral ties and agreeing to a firm FTP.

Enough is enough and both you and I know that all it takes is one incident or crisis and we are back to square one. Cricket should remain above this but sadly it is not and we must not come to terms with it - a trend started many years ago by the BCCI and now even the ACB. I see no reason why the PCB should not indulge in politics either.

Otherwise - we will be left far behind with nothing but egg on our face - as usual...

 

[msb314]

If Pak dont play us this time...they will lose their best chance to beat India in a world cup. A middle order of Dhoni, Rayudu and Karthik is there for taking

That is a sacrifice I am willing to make in order to let the BCCI know that enough is enough - they need to change or no cricketing ties at ANY event.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

It would be an awful, idiotic and nonsensical move. Can I please know what you were thinking when you came up with this idea?

You want to play cricket in the current scenario??

Somethings are more important than your stupid cricket match.

I doubt it will even go ahead.

 

[Chokli]

Told you it wasn't going to mean anything once the World Cup started.

No need to make stupid emotional decisions.

 

[msb314]

Told you it wasn't going to mean anything once the World Cup started.

No need to make stupid emotional decisions.

Although things have considerably cooled down since - it’s worth noting that both the BCCI and the PCB were mighty afraid of sanctions and consequences from the ICC if they boycotted this game.

Kudos to the ICC for doing their best to ensure politics stayed away from the game...

 

[light]

Lol, I remember this episode from both parties. And now everyone is excited and is patientiently waiting for the match to begin ... Even the naysayers