PCB responds to BCCI/ACC's Jay Shah's remarks on a neutral venue for the Asia Cup in 2023

[Dr_Bassim]

If it happens its ok, if it doesn't i am fine with it.

Regards to the issue at hand

If India doesn't travel to Pakistan, Asia cup should go ahead without India, provided that majority of members agree.

If Pakistan doesn't travel to India, WC should be held in India and Pakistan should lose the proportionate portion of their ICC revenue share. Again subject to majority members agreeing.

My opinion, matches should be held as much as possible even If bilaterals aren't happening.

Regards this issue, Asia Cup without India is farce and a WC without a Pakistan is stupid also.

Both sides need to stop throwing toys out of pram every time and agree that cricket with each other is the best interests of all the fans.

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

If it happens its ok, if it doesn't i am fine with it.

Regards to the issue at hand

If India doesn't travel to Pakistan, Asia cup should go ahead without India, provided that majority of members agree.

If Pakistan doesn't travel to India, WC should be held in India and Pakistan should lose the proportionate portion of their ICC revenue share. Again subject to majority members agreeing.

If India does nt come to Pakistan for Asia cup which is very much given.. Pakistan will not boycott icc wc.. Thats for sure despite all the verbal vitriol by pcb.. but Pakistan should ask bcci to schedule their matches at neutral Venue.. BCCI should nt have the problem since GOi does nt want to host Pakistan contingent either.. in return they can ask same from pcb when ct 2025 comes. Win win for both boards

 

[cricketjoshila]

Convenient answer. You guys talk about how powerful BCCI is and will influence ICC on different matters. But cant ask for different group other than Pakistan? This is nt called cheating.. why then icc is compelled to put India Pakistan together every tournament? Why not other teams get same treatment? Believe me if Indians dnt want to play Pakistan, we are also not very interested..for indians its probably all about Who has bigger pocket but for Pakistanis they want cricket to be played at home when scheduled and not go to neutral venue.. awarding hosting rights with unanimous decision in Acc board meeting is also called cheating and hypocrisy.. why not ask pcb to schedule India matches at neutral venue lets say Dhaka or Colombo instead of announcing change of venue ?? BCCI just wants to hurt PCB .. now you say BCCI should not influence ICC , i hope you guys keep the same stance and come here to play ct 2025 as your sports Minister Thakur as per his words expects all qualifying teams to come for wc 2023 but i very much doubt that.

Influence in administration doesn't mean you decide your opposition. That is influencing the outcome of the game and tournament. I wonder if PCB was in this position what will fans like you can get them to do. Cheat the tournament?

PCB has pulled out of India hosted Asia cup 1990, India tour 1991 and Hero Cup 1993. So pakistan has done it. The only thing different is that without India, a ICC or ACC tournament will have little revenue.

I already gave [MENTION=43242]Dr_Bassim[/MENTION] my opinion on how this thing needs to be solved.

If India doesn't go to play CT in Pakistan, ICC should deduct the proportionate share revenues from India's share in ICC. Provided that majority of ICC members agree to this.

As i said, India isnt going to pakistan and pakistan isn't coming to India. If this is constant, then the only variable is the decision of ICC and ACC members where the tournaments are held.

 

[cricketjoshila]

If India does nt come to Pakistan for Asia cup which is very much given.. Pakistan will not boycott icc wc.. Thats for sure despite all the verbal vitriol by pcb.. but Pakistan should ask bcci to schedule their matches at neutral Venue.. BCCI should nt have the problem since GOi does nt want to host Pakistan contingent either.. in return they can ask same from pcb when ct 2025 comes. Win win for both boards

Why should bcci hold pakistan matches at neutral venue? Neither should pakistan do it for India.

 

[pratiktc]

The problem with BJP fans is that they only mention the downsides for Pakistan, not the downsides for ICC and/or BCCI. A disproportionate amount of WC revenue is earned from that one India-Pakistan game. Pakistan not participating in WC will impact revenue earned by ICC significantly.

And this is the problem that BJP cronies fail to ever mention. They only ever mention the downsides for Pakistan, as if no one else faces any repercussions.

You are missing the point. Downside for Pakistan is far greater than any party here. If you want an analogy - whether scooter hits a truck or truck hits scooter there is risk for scooter owner only.

There is no commercial viability for PCB to host Asia Cup without India. It is the Indo-Pak games tv rights that fund matches like Hong Kong/UAE that have no fan interest. PCB will most likely agree for neutral venue else rather play a 3-5 match Pak vs SL odi series in its place which atleast has some viability.

Whereas in World Cup threatening to pull out for Pak has far greater downside for Pak than it does for ICC. So that won't happen either

All this posturing is merely so that ICC will end up mollifying PCB with some sweeteners (like maybe an extra Eng/Aus/SA tour of Pak) to compensate them for their trouble. Practically neither Pak will host Asia Cup in Pak not will they miss world cup.

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

Influence in administration doesn't mean you decide your opposition. That is influencing the outcome of the game and tournament. I wonder if PCB was in this position what will fans like you can get them to do. Cheat the tournament?

PCB has pulled out of India hosted Asia cup 1990, India tour 1991 and Hero Cup 1993. So pakistan has done it. The only thing different is that without India, a ICC or ACC tournament will have little revenue.

I already gave [MENTION=43242]Dr_Bassim[/MENTION] my opinion on how this thing needs to be solved.

If India doesn't go to play CT in Pakistan, ICC should deduct the proportionate share revenues from India's share in ICC. Provided that majority of ICC members agree to this.

As i said, India isnt going to pakistan and pakistan isn't coming to India. If this is constant, then the only variable is the decision of ICC and ACC members where the tournaments are held.

Well asking to place India and Pakistan in different group isn't exactly deciding the opposition for rest of tournament even if its random and fair grouping by icc , at-least there should be one or two tournaments where india Pakistan group isnt same? But its not happening.. BCCI even wrote letter or lets say drafted and were ready to send icc letter to Ban Pakistan from wc 2019 thats fair but asking a different group isnt fair? come on dude.. you can do better in making sense

 

[cricketjoshila]

Well asking to place India and Pakistan in different group isn't exactly deciding the opposition for rest of tournament even if its random and fair grouping by icc , at-least there should be one or two tournaments where india Pakistan group isnt same? But its not happening.. BCCI even wrote letter or lets say drafted and were ready to send icc letter to Ban Pakistan from wc 2019 thats fair but asking a different group isnt fair? come on dude.. you can do better in making sense

If instead of the set rule that decides the groups, the rule is changed to India and Pakistan should be in different groups irrespective.

Then teams which didn't have to face pakistan will face them in the group stage. A team which was to be in the other group will end up being in the India group and face all other teams of that group and all teams of that group will face that team. So basically everyone will be affected.

That was not bcci, it was a committee of administrators appointed by court, running indian cricket.

Now if you are done with posting smiling lets get to a discussion.

 

[ahsan17]

You cannot prove this because this isn't true.

ICC rights are sold as a composite tender, so there is no separate right for a Indo Pak encounter.

Pakistan is revenue wise not a big market.

As per PCB chairman, 90 per cent of ICC revenues come from the Indian market.

Add to that England and Australia.

Rest is shared between the other countries.

So How much is pakistan contributing? 2 per cent? Or less?

If i go by the 2014 ICC paper, it listed India's contribution at over 80 per cent, the next was 5 per cent.


As long as India England Australia are playing, more than 90 per cent of ICC revenues are secured.

Next time dont make claims you cannot back up with a credible source.

No, I just don't have time to waste on your shenanigans. WC rights may sold together but broadcasters can figure out how much ad revenue is generated in that one game v/s all other games.

Rest of your post pointless because it doesn't deal with the India-Pakistan WC game.

 

[cricketjoshila]

No, I just don't have time to waste on your shenanigans. WC rights may sold together but broadcasters can figure out how much ad revenue is generated in that one game v/s all other games.

Rest of your post pointless because it doesn't deal with the India-Pakistan WC game.

If AD revenues from Pakistan are so significant why is pakistan's contribution to ICC paltry?

Why is pakistan's own tv rights not sold at a significant premium?

 

[ahsan17]

If AD revenues from Pakistan are so significant why is pakistan's contribution to ICC paltry?

Why is pakistan's own tv rights not sold at a significant premium?

What is so hard to understand the difference between India-Pakistan world cup game, and PSL, Pakistan's bilteral series, etc? That one game is drawing so many emotionally charged people that its unparalleled with any other game in the WC.

 

[Arabian_Tiger]

What is so hard to understand the difference between India-Pakistan world cup game, and PSL, Pakistan's bilteral series, etc? That one game is drawing so many emotionally charged people that its unparalleled with any other game in the WC.

Even in ICC tournaments an IND vs AUS generates more interest and draws more ppl than an AUS vs PAK. Its the presence of INDIA and them progressing to next round that broadcasters desperately hope for...