PCB responds to BCCI/ACC's Jay Shah's remarks on a neutral venue for the Asia Cup in 2023

[Corridor of Uncertainty]

Not that easy. I thought it was a shrewd political move when BCCI was open to tour Pak pending GOI approval. Based on the other Indian posters in this forum, it was evident that people don't want to play in Pak. Joshila even claimed that BJP would be scoring an own goal if they permit this. Everything between Ind and Pak is political. Not just sports but also artists, trade etc. The money is imp for the fans because it means better facilities, better players and some of the BCCI cash is even used to fund other sports. Money is also imp for bragging on social media. That's imp too

Man City would be caught dead than brag about their money.

It's only a certain kind of individual who uses money as a bragging tool and only a certain kind of individual who takes the bait.

Pakistan cricket has enough money to put up a decent team. Issues are around legacy mismanagement and crony culture.

Your other point about cricket being political is absolutely spot on. No sub continental government worth its salt will ever not interfere in cricket, knowing it's connected to their vote bank. But there are ways of interfering. The fact that PCB's patron is the Prime Minister is just the extreme form of idiocy one could conjure up to ruin their golden goose.

 

[Local.Dada]

So basically you are making things up and we should accept it because its BCCI

Why would I make things up? For something like Kashmir, if one person makes a statement in favor of India then immediately Pakistan gets another voice to counter it or vice versa.

So if Jay Shah has made a random statement why would they not get other boards to override it. Yeah it is as simple as it sounds.

Once again I haven’t heard one constructive opinion on what PCB should do to counter except for all the khunnas in the world for BCCI which can get tiresome after a while

 

[rhony]

Man City would be caught dead than brag about their money.

It's only a certain kind of individual who uses money as a bragging tool and only a certain kind of individual who takes the bait.

Pakistan cricket has enough money to put up a decent team. Issues are around legacy mismanagement and crony culture.

Your other point about cricket being political is absolutely spot on. No sub continental government worth its salt will ever not interfere in cricket, knowing it's connected to their vote bank. But there are ways of interfering. The fact that PCB's patron is the Prime Minister is just the extreme form of idiocy one could conjure up to ruin their golden goose.

And they do. They buy players like Haaland. They build winning teams. If that's not a display of wealth I don't know what is. Fans brag about players they can afford all the time. India has population and growing middle class on it's side. Pak has some way to go, politics aside.

 

[Ab Fan]

India don't want any cricket vs Pakistan so I am surprised that PCB were surprised with the remarks of Jay Shah that Asia Cup will be played in neutral venues in 2023. This will continue for other tournaments too, very unlikely that the relations between India and Pakistan will improve.

 

[Sherazkhalid]

Only way to counter this is to make your brand valuable and always waiting on a God gifted player to fall through cracks and into the team without proper infra and nepotism is going to be hard. In the end we will end up like Cuba in baseball, they will beat USA head to head but then who in the world is watching Cuban baseball.

 

[TNAmarkFromIndia]

“The overall impact of such statements have the potential to split the Asian and international cricketing communities, and can impact Pakistan’s visit to India for the ICC Cricket World Cup 2023 and future ICC Events in India in the 2024-2031 cycle.

Lol. I hope they actually go through with it and we see Asia Cup without India and the World Cup without Pakistan.

 

[TNAmarkFromIndia]

Pull out of India wc. Do not give them easy money from the India Pak games. Make a stand.

Would barely make a dent in BCCI's coffers. World Cup can go on without Pakistan.

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

I dont have any doubts, I just want to confirm that indians here and pakistanis generally speaking are on the same page as to how it works. and if you agree with the inference, my question to you is: Do the indians fans pay to watch Indian players play cricket with each other or with foreign players? And also who do they enhoy watching Indians perform against the most? Will they spend this much money on say India playing against Bermuda or Jersey?

I believe therein is the crux of the matter. I think Indians enjoy their team dominate pakistan and I do not believe that matchup still has any close competitors unless India is playing a world cup semi or final against other opposition. So in a way Pakistan (or any other top team in a way) contributes to that success of the indian cricket economy. IPL generates the money it does due to the involvement of foreign players. Pakistanis produce equal and if not more interest amongst indians.

If you want to deny this logic, you can. But claiming the India and Indians somehow get all the money and rewards sent from the heavens somehow without any credit to non Indian actors in the grander scheme of things is a fools belief. That is all I waas trying to get to.

Now the BCCI tries to strong arm this leverage at ever corner and it is nothing but unethical. LEGAL but unethical. And I believe they play a game of chicken with pakistan where unfortunately pakistan chickens out first. I would like to see how long can Indians be ok with India not playing against Pakistan.

Like with everything else Pakistan fails to show guts here. Refuse to agree to such terms from India and do **** for tat and refuse to play them. I am sure India can survive though and so can Pakistan, I am sure they will get hit with financial penalties but they can continue to play other international teams but they should not continue to benefit Indian cricket by playing according to their terms when such cricketing relations should be mutually beneficial.

You basically just said what i have been saying to my Indian friends on social media who keep boasting about Indian cricket economy and influence as if it is something given to them by divine entity and they consider themselves cut above everyone else but they forget that cricket is competitive sports and any money generated through sponsorship deals is because of nature competition where another international team is also involved . Cricket is not a fundraiser where Indian audiences are just contributing for icc to make money. For example , Indian posters here are boasting about Nidhas trophy final views... but would there have been same number of views if that final was between team India and lets say India A? Of course not. India has this clout because of selfishness of Big 2 .. they are happily giving bCCI free hand because they are making enough money in Bilateral , but this behaviour is cutting any chance of game going Global and India wants it to be limited to big 3.. such cringe worthy attitude of Indian cricket fans

 

[Local.Dada]

You basically just said what i have been saying to my Indian friends on social media who keep boasting about Indian cricket economy and influence as if it is something given to them by divine entity and they consider themselves cut above everyone else but they forget that cricket is competitive sports and any money generated through sponsorship deals is because of nature competition where another international team is also involved . Cricket is not a fundraiser where Indian audiences are just contributing for icc to make money. For example , Indian posters here are boasting about Nidhas trophy final views... but would there have been same number of views if that final was between team India and lets say India A? Of course not. India has this clout because of selfishness of Big 2 .. they are happily giving bCCI free hand because they are making enough money in Bilateral , but this behaviour is cutting any chance of game going Global and India wants it to be limited to big 3.. such cringe worthy attitude of Indian cricket fans

Indian fans also lost interest in hockey. There was a time when India was down and Pak was ruling hockey, did it make a difference how it turned out for both teams?

BCCI makes money because fans subscribe to cable, network apps, buy tickets to the stadium, generate stadium economy buying snacks etc.

Because Indian fans are doing this, sponsors follow.

India has unlocked the potential of a mundane sport that hardly anyone cared about into a multi-billion dollar industry. Today top Indian cricketers earn almost at the level of NBA and soccer players.

We absolutely take pride in that. Why shouldn’t we?

If people take pride in “unpredictability” of Pakistan team than it’s only fair we can gloat about how we transformed cricket into a big business.

 

[Ashmal]

Why Pakistan should tour to India for WC is simple. Pakistan is not the trouble maker in here. Pakistan is simply obliging with cricket commitments. India on other hand is the trouble maker so simple answer is continue without the trouble maker and keep good on your commitments.

On your last point if India is threatening that no team should play Asia cup then that is simply a bullying strategy and should not be agreed to not only by Pakistan but also by other boards. I don't think this is what they said they simply dont want to travel to Pakistan so dont ask them to travel and continue the tournament without them.

Your post makes sense for now.

But what will PCB do when BCCI inevitably pulls out a similar card before CT 2025.

The ACC, ICC need to sit with both BCCI and PCB and find a permanent solution of this issue once and for all.

That maybe either of the following:

1. Don't give hosting rights to both India and Pakistan for these multi-nation tournaments

2. Or, ask the host board (BCCI/PCB) to arrange a neutral venue nearby to stage the games for the other team....with knockouts to be played in the host country, (similar to 2011 WC).

And perhaps stop grouping India & Pakistan together in every single tournament.

 

[Kriketer]

When Indians compare IPL to American franchise it is indeed a mockery. American sports are operating on their own generating billions on their own. Bcci and IPL solely make money because of international cricket and cricketers. Pull those out and Indian cricket will come down crashing. They wouldn't want to watch their own countless trundlers going at each other in their own domestic tournament. Not world's fault if you got 1.5 billion people in your country so when they talk about having a bigger pie, well that pie you generate is again solely due to foreign teams and players. This unethical and arrogant high horse they ride is mostly due to English and Australian boards just wanting the pie, hence you have a dying sport. Even Australian don't seem to care about cricket much as gradually you are seeing more and more empty stands.

 

[Local.Dada]

When Indians compare IPL to American franchise it is indeed a mockery. American sports are operating on their own generating billions on their own. Bcci and IPL solely make money because of international cricket and cricketers. Pull those out and Indian cricket will come down crashing. They wouldn't want to watch their own countless trundlers going at each other in their own domestic tournament. Not world's fault if you got 1.5 billion people in your country so when they talk about having a bigger pie, well that pie you generate is again solely due to foreign teams and players. This unethical and arrogant high horse they ride is mostly due to English and Australian boards just wanting the pie, hence you have a dying sport. Even Australian don't seem to care about cricket much as gradually you are seeing more and more empty stands.

IPL is not even close to American leagues but it is the closest thing to them in entire Asia among all sports leave alone all of cricket. That means something and as an Indian and fan of business both that’s something that needs to be celebrated.

 

[Kriketer]

IPL is not even close to American leagues but it is the closest thing to them in entire Asia among all sports leave alone all of cricket. That means something and as an Indian and fan of business both that’s something that needs to be celebrated.

Not sure why you are missing the complete point, not that hard to understand. IPL is nothing without international cricketers, while American leagues solely funtion on their own. Point is that pride, arrogance and money Indians and bcci have is all thanks to "international cricket and international cricketers". You would be nothing on your own

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

IPL is not even close to American leagues but it is the closest thing to them in entire Asia among all sports leave alone all of cricket. That means something and as an Indian and fan of business both that’s something that needs to be celebrated.

Organise IPL with Indian players only and then see the magic.

 

[Sarwar89]

Pakistan media & fans are playing into the hands of BCCI.

Very tactfully they announced it before 23rd October to divert attention.

Focus of our fans has turned away from MCG to Asia cup.

Ok i agree it will be a washout but you never know as in Australia weather forecasts can change 48 hours before.

 

[MenInG]

Saj Sadiq analyses the recent controversy caused by the comments of the BCCI secretary, Jay Shah, regarding playing the Asia Cup 2023 at a neutral venue instead of Pakistan:


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[Wasim Ghulam]

Indian fans also lost interest in hockey. There was a time when India was down and Pak was ruling hockey, did it make a difference how it turned out for both teams?

BCCI makes money because fans subscribe to cable, network apps, buy tickets to the stadium, generate stadium economy buying snacks etc.

Because Indian fans are doing this, sponsors follow.

India has unlocked the potential of a mundane sport that hardly anyone cared about into a multi-billion dollar industry. Today top Indian cricketers earn almost at the level of NBA and soccer players.

We absolutely take pride in that. Why shouldn’t we?

If people take pride in “unpredictability” of Pakistan team than it’s only fair we can gloat about how we transformed cricket into a big business.

Kind of missing the point actually... its not solely Indian achievement... foreign players, coaches and international teams are involved. Thats why people like you subscribe and pay for Watching it.. Indians like to boast about ICC revenue and how it's Generated because of Indian interest in the game.. but then again Indian public interest in the icc event is because other competitive teams are present. Do you think Indians will pay Billions of $ just to watch Indian Players going at each other? Probably not.. so dnt take all the credit. Thats all

 

[Sarwar89]

We have no batting. We ain't winning any ICC trophies for 10 years guaranteed.

If you aint winning any icc trophies for next ten years then many teams wont even be motivated enough to visit and play in pakistan.

If pakistan wins t20 world cup
They win asia cup next year then odi world cup and also icc test championship, i can rest assure you
Indian team itself will play you.

Because you need to beat the best to be best.

 

[Corridor of Uncertainty]

And they do. They buy players like Haaland. They build winning teams. If that's not a display of wealth I don't know what is. Fans brag about players they can afford all the time. India has population and growing middle class on it's side. Pak has some way to go, politics aside.

Yes they build great teams. They buy the best players. They build incredible facilities. All that.

No, they don't mouth off about it to other clubs. That's not classy. Majority of Man City fans discuss their on-field exploits.

Only a certain kind of individual as I said, would look at money and make it into a bragging point.

 

[reversehook]

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[Ami]

Utter disrespect from India.
Lets boycott the WC and to hell with the money.
I know how PCB works, they're cowards of the highest nature.

 

[Slim]

Lets be clear on a few things,

Asia Cup is not an ICC event, the only measured response to this farce is to leave the ACC and give them a big middle finger. Thats it. Thats the response and its a very principled response jbtw. They are free to play or not play Nidhas 2.0. After all, from the looks of it, all the indians like [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] care about are viewership and revenue. The fetish with numbers is real. Its not about cricket for them, never was. So be it. We are different gravy to them. Also, due to them being the second most populous group, the numbers will never go in our favour or anyones favour. Its because of the simple reason for there being too many indians in this world. You lift a stone and you will find one, you know. So no problem, we watch sports for fun. They apparently watch it to count the dollar bills, and number of viewers lol

ICC WC on the other hand should not be touched, we shouldnt set a wrong precedent. We should never say no to ICC events. Let India be the dehati aurat again in this, if they ever do so!

 

[ex-q-zit]

Organise IPL with Indian players only and then see the magic.

We already have the Syed Mushtaq Ali Trournamenr right with domestic players. IPL with only Indian players will be similar to that.

 

[rhony]

Yes they build great teams. They buy the best players. They build incredible facilities. All that.

No, they don't mouth off about it to other clubs. That's not classy. Majority of Man City fans discuss their on-field exploits.

Only a certain kind of individual as I said, would look at money and make it into a bragging point.

You are probably part of some of the nicest group discussions. Money is a huge factor in fan discussions. India or Indian fans don't discuss money with Aus, SL, SA or WI or any other cricketing country. The topic of money comes only when a PCB official or Pak fan talks about boycott as a way to inflict some kind of economic damage to BCCI.

 

[rhony]

Kind of missing the point actually... its not solely Indian achievement... foreign players, coaches and international teams are involved. Thats why people like you subscribe and pay for Watching it.. Indians like to boast about ICC revenue and how it's Generated because of Indian interest in the game.. but then again Indian public interest in the icc event is because other competitive teams are present. Do you think Indians will pay Billions of $ just to watch Indian Players going at each other? Probably not.. so dnt take all the credit. Thats all

Those foreign players and coaches are coming to IPL BECAUSE of the money. He has a good point. BCCI and Indians should take absolute pride in how cricket is monetized in the country. Foreign players are fighting with their boards and skipping international games during IPL. It is because of the clout and money. Yes, IPL is notmuch without foreign players and that's why money is imp to woo them into the fold.

 

[Ami]

Alternative: Hold the Asia Cup in Pakistan, and if India, dont turn up..they dont. But, DO NOT change the venue.

As for the World Cup, go and play, provided there is adequate security.

 

[rhony]

Solution:

1) Play Asia cup in the UAE
2) Participate in the WC in India
3) in return, get a full home series against India in UAE

Win-win-win

 

[mohan11]

I would like the PCB to take a risky aggressive stance now regardless of the financial losses and implications.

Allowing the BCCI to get away with this will set a dangerous precedent going forward. The PCB will need the support, blessings of the government and the National Assembly, Senate and the Pakistani army. Let's hope all the stakeholders will put politics aside.

Why they need Pak Army support?

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Solution:

1) Play Asia cup in the UAE
2) Participate in the WC in India
3) in return, get a full home series against India in UAE

Win-win-win

I mean if we are just making up random things and calling them "solution" then why not change option 3 to play a series vs India on the moon.

Its just as likely as what you have outlined.

 

[cricketjoshila]

read my subsequent posts and let me know if this is completely self sustainable within indian cricket community or does it rely on foreign parties to generate s0 much interest and revenue.

It doesn't require pakistan's help. And that has been confirmed. So don't drag others. Talk about India and Pakistan.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Lol Disney needs India Pak World Cup matches. Separate ads for India Pakistan matches and they even have The Rock to promote it. And a separate hashtag too. Don’t believe some ultranationalist Bhakts here.

Disney is going to pay billions for IPL rights and they don't get any india pak matches.

All they need is the Indian market to be involved.

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

Those foreign players and coaches are coming to IPL BECAUSE of the money. He has a good point. BCCI and Indians should take absolute pride in how cricket is monetized in the country. Foreign players are fighting with their boards and skipping international games during IPL. It is because of the clout and money. Yes, IPL is notmuch without foreign players and that's why money is imp to woo them into the fold.

Still Missing the point. Its not just about IPL. Also international cricket where Indian audience keep boosting about revenue generated because of Indian sponsors. Icc makes up a tournament in which Indian team features.. and scheduled to play other top tier teams.. icc does nt make up a tournament to cater Indian audience alone.. they do it for the sports itself. They are a governing council , not profit making organisation where they should count the $ only. when huge money was nt involved in 90s or 2000s even then tournaments happened without indian Money. indian people watch it because there is sense of competition and they want to see their team beat the best... but lately Indian audience have started to think everything in cricket runs because of them.. bit over the top assumption .. as far IPL , Money for international players is available because of sponsorship deals for franchises and media rights.. and why that money is big?? Because of International players.. if you announce today IPL will not feature any International star , we will see if bcci gets those huge tv rights

 

[Slim]

Solution:

1) Play Asia cup in the UAE
2) Participate in the WC in India
3) in return, get a full home series against India in UAE

Win-win-win

Joker Shah, the ACC chairman, has talked about moving the Asia Cup to UAE without consulting Pakistan. We don’t care about playing India. We don’t want a series with them anywhere. If they are interested, they can play us in Pakistan. If ACC is going to be a lackey of Indian board then be it, we are not inerested in being part of such a pathetic council either.

 

[cricketjoshila]

When Indians compare IPL to American franchise it is indeed a mockery. American sports are operating on their own generating billions on their own. Bcci and IPL solely make money because of international cricket and cricketers. Pull those out and Indian cricket will come down crashing. They wouldn't want to watch their own countless trundlers going at each other in their own domestic tournament. Not world's fault if you got 1.5 billion people in your country so when they talk about having a bigger pie, well that pie you generate is again solely due to foreign teams and players. This unethical and arrogant high horse they ride is mostly due to English and Australian boards just wanting the pie, hence you have a dying sport. Even Australian don't seem to care about cricket much as gradually you are seeing more and more empty stands.

What is laughable is when pakistanis try to talk about a league they are not part of and know little about.

15 years back, it was, IPL will die without Pakistanis. Now IPL will die without foreigners.

Talk about your own cricket.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Joker Shah, the ACC chairman, has talked about moving the Asia Cup to UAE without consulting Pakistan. We don’t care about playing India. We don’t want a series with them anywhere. If they are interested, they can play us in Pakistan. If ACC is going to be a lackey of Indian board then be it, we are not inerested in being part of such a pathetic council either.

So when is PCB quitting the ACC.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Kind of missing the point actually... its not solely Indian achievement... foreign players, coaches and international teams are involved. Thats why people like you subscribe and pay for Watching it.. Indians like to boast about ICC revenue and how it's Generated because of Indian interest in the game.. but then again Indian public interest in the icc event is because other competitive teams are present. Do you think Indians will pay Billions of $ just to watch Indian Players going at each other? Probably not.. so dnt take all the credit. Thats all

Why doesn't PCB invite these players and coaches and make PSL as IPL. Should be easy.

 

[Local.Dada]

Organise IPL with Indian players only and then see the magic.

The whole attraction of IPL is also foreign talent. BCCI doesn’t seem to have problems with any other cricket board and only fantastic relationships at a political level with all other cricket playing nations.

For domestics there is Syed Mushtaq Ali.

Not sure what the context of your question is?

 

[Slim]

So when is PCB quitting the ACC.

PCB has already officially responded to ACC. They either will side with their chairman, or let PCB know that they are sorry for not being able to handle their man child hindutva chairman and tournament will go ahead in Pakistan with or without India. I am happy with the event going ahead in Pakistan without India. Majority of Pakistanis are.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Because it has nothing to do with the players and BCCI. They Indian government doesn’t allow them.

Other sportsmen and artists wouldn’t come either if the government bans them.

Can you email your Indian government mates and ask why?

Why doesn't Indian government want 20 odd cricketers not to play in Pakistan?

Indians are happy to send other athletes. Indians are happy to play Pakistan every year if needed in an ICC event.

 

[KingKhanWC]

So when is PCB quitting the ACC.

Wouldnt it be easier for the Tea seller and his Saffron clad bald mates to just allow Indian rockstars to go to Pakistan? All Indian players esp Kohli wants to go.

 

[Slim]

Can you email your Indian government mates and ask why?

Why doesn't Indian government want 20 odd cricketers not to play in Pakistan?

Indians are happy to send other athletes. Indians are happy to play Pakistan every year if needed in an ICC event.

If India had any actual principles they would have not played us in ACC or ICC tournaments. Its all hollow posturing.

 

[Extra_Cover]

Your post makes sense for now.

But what will PCB do when BCCI inevitably pulls out a similar card before CT 2025.

The ACC, ICC need to sit with both BCCI and PCB and find a permanent solution of this issue once and for all.

That maybe either of the following:

1. Don't give hosting rights to both India and Pakistan for these multi-nation tournaments

2. Or, ask the host board (BCCI/PCB) to arrange a neutral venue nearby to stage the games for the other team....with knockouts to be played in the host country, (similar to 2011 WC).

And perhaps stop grouping India & Pakistan together in every single tournament.

You are assuming too much. For argument sake let India boycott CT 2025, their loss, their decision. The tournament goes on.

 

[KingKhanWC]

If India had any actual principles they would have not played us in ACC or ICC tournaments. Its all hollow posturing.

Exactly. Or do their soldiers blown up to pieces not matter when the World Cup is on, back to Bollywood dancing for the day?

 

[Mamoon]

Can you email your Indian government mates and ask why?

Why doesn't Indian government want 20 odd cricketers not to play in Pakistan?

Indians are happy to send other athletes. Indians are happy to play Pakistan every year if needed in an ICC event.

Simple - a bilateral cricket series between Pakistan and India is going to generate a lot of revenue for Pakistan and India does not want Pakistan making money from India.

India is already generating more revenue than all other cricket boards combined so there is no need for India to make money from Pakistan.

In summary, not playing bilateral cricket with Pakistan does not hurt India but certainly hurts Pakistan significantly because PCB doesn’t have the same dough as BCCI.

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

Why doesn't PCB invite these players and coaches and make PSL as IPL. Should be easy.

PSL is already making money not at the level of IPL of course... but the fact that First five seasons were held in UAE and its alive is achievement in itself. PSL does nt have 1.5 Billion cricket crazy fanbase .. we are nation of 220 Million and have been deprived of home cricket for a decade.. Over the course of a decade , absent home cricket and decline in quality of players contributed to lesser interest of people..with limited resources PSL has done very good job.. and fact that its making profits for franchises and Board is something to look forward to.. and all that Hoopla of Pakistan cricket dying in absence of icc funds will soon die out.. Pakistan dnt need ICC or BCCI to survive..

 

[cricketjoshila]

PCB has already officially responded to ACC. They either will side with their chairman, or let PCB know that they are sorry for not being able to handle their man child hindutva chairman and tournament will go ahead in Pakistan with or without India. I am happy with the event going ahead in Pakistan without India. Majority of Pakistanis are.

Only problem is that pakistanis can big themselves up on social media, in the boardroom they will be manhandled.

 

[Mamoon]

If India had any actual principles they would have not played us in ACC or ICC tournaments. Its all hollow posturing.

It is about money. Revenue generated from ICC tournaments and multi tourneys go to the respective organizer (ICC, ACC) while money from bilaterals goes to the respective boards.

So as per India’s principle, they don’t wish to see Pakistan make money from India. It is not hard to understand.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Wouldnt it be easier for the Tea seller and his Saffron clad bald mates to just allow Indian rockstars to go to Pakistan? All Indian players esp Kohli wants to go.

No. May be they enjoys watching people like you throw the toys out of the pram.

 

[Mamoon]

Exactly. Or do their soldiers blown up to pieces not matter when the World Cup is on, back to Bollywood dancing for the day?

Another one who doesn’t understand the situation.

 

[cricketjoshila]

If India had any actual principles they would have not played us in ACC or ICC tournaments. Its all hollow posturing.

Pakistanis will decide, what principles India should follow?

 

[KingKhanWC]

Simple - a bilateral cricket series between Pakistan and India is going to generate a lot of revenue for Pakistan and India does not want Pakistan making money from India.

India is already generating more revenue than all other cricket boards combined so there is no need for India to make money from Pakistan.

In summary, not playing bilateral cricket with Pakistan does not hurt India but certainly hurts Pakistan significantly because PCB doesn’t have the same dough as BCCI.

So its all down to Indians not wanting PCB to have money? Not sure if your emails are hacked as the RSS may have different reasons.

India already has much more Indian rupees to Pak rupees, this wont make much of a difference. India still lost to Pak in Champions Trophy and recently in Asia Cup. The money isnt helping them. So what is the goal of BCCIRSS here?

 

[KingKhanWC]

No. May be they enjoys watching people like you throw the toys out of the pram.

Youve posted on this topic thousands of times, not my toys.

What is the reason for the RSS government not allowing these rockstars to play in Pakistan?

 

[KingKhanWC]

Another one who doesn’t understand the situation.

Explain as a good son of India should do, what is the issue? Not enough children bombed by Indians?

 

[Slim]

Only problem is that pakistanis can big themselves up on social media, in the boardroom they will be manhandled.

I am sure the thought of that makes you quite excited, old man.

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

Simple - a bilateral cricket series between Pakistan and India is going to generate a lot of revenue for Pakistan and India does not want Pakistan making money from India.

India is already generating more revenue than all other cricket boards combined so there is no need for India to make money from Pakistan.

In summary, not playing bilateral cricket with Pakistan does not hurt India but certainly hurts Pakistan significantly because PCB doesn’t have the same dough as BCCI.

This argument does nt stand well. I dnt think Pakistan's establishment cares about loosing out on cricket revenue.. because above policy you mentioned is Indian Government's not bcci.. Pakistan has already stated that cricket series with India is not their priority anymore and pcb is looking to make psl more profitable and they somehow are succeeding. Pakistanis only care about tournament happening in Pakistan , we indeed do not care if India does not participate..despite loss of revenue

 

[Slim]

It is about money. Revenue generated from ICC tournaments and multi tourneys go to the respective organizer (ICC, ACC) while money from bilaterals goes to the respective boards.

So as per India’s principle, they don’t wish to see Pakistan make money from India. It is not hard to understand.

So as per your logic, whats the reason for not visiting Pakistan for Asia cup when the money is going to ACC?

 

[Slim]

Pakistanis will decide, what principles India should follow?

Just pointing out the logical fallacy and pure hypocrisy. Maybe critical thinking is not taught where you come from. Clearly shows.

 

[Mamoon]

So its all down to Indians not wanting PCB to have money? Not sure if your emails are hacked as the RSS may have different reasons.

India already has much more Indian rupees to Pak rupees, this wont make much of a difference. India still lost to Pak in Champions Trophy and recently in Asia Cup. The money isnt helping them. So what is the goal of BCCIRSS here?

India have been a far better cricket team across formats for the past 15-20 years. Pakistan has picked up a couple of cheap wins with India in transition, it doesn’t have any long-term implications. You will continue to see India occupy top 3 rankings in Tests and ODIs with Pakistan languishing at 5th and 6th.

Moreover, it has nothing to do with performance and relative strength of the teams on the pitch. It is about India not letting Pakistan make money from India.

Bilateral cricket between the two countries will benefit Pakistan big time and India does not want that.

 

[Mamoon]

So as per your logic, whats the reason for not visiting Pakistan for Asia cup when the money is going to ACC?

The host nation makes a lot of revenue in tournaments, and India traveling to Pakistan ensures the financial success of the Asia Cup hosted in Pakistan.

India doesn’t want that and it knows that if it refuses to play in Pakistan, there is no possibility of the Asia Cup being played there. It is flexing its muscle and clout.

 

[KingKhanWC]

India have been a far better cricket team across formats for the past 15-20 years. Pakistan has picked up a couple of cheap wins with India in transition, it doesn’t have any long-term implications. You will continue to see India occupy top 3 rankings in Tests and ODIs with Pakistan languishing at 5th and 6th.

Moreover, it has nothing to do with performance and relative strength of the teams on the pitch. It is about India not letting Pakistan make money from India.

Bilateral cricket between the two countries will benefit Pakistan big time and India does not want that.

Nobody cares about the rankings lol.

Indias are the best in your religious book, we know this.

But their money wont mean they will win every time they play Pak. In fact Pak have a better team atm imo and in the views of many. Perhaps this is also a reason, Modi's extremists wont be happy if Pak regularly beat them.

So according to the biggest supporter of India on this planet, this is a measure to ensure Pakistan earn less money?

Yet Indias no1 fan doesnt realise Pakistan team isnt eating lentils with water, its the majority of Indians in India.

 

[Slim]

The host nation makes a lot of revenue in tournaments, and India traveling to Pakistan ensures the financial success of the Asia Cup hosted in Pakistan.

India doesn’t want that and it knows that if it refuses to play in Pakistan, there is no possibility of the Asia Cup being played there. It is flexing its muscle and clout.

So will India not come to Pakistan if an ICC event is held in Pakistan? I doubt they wont. So here all that reasoning goes out of window. Its hollow posturing based on their newly acquired clout. Nawaz sharif was right when he called them a Dehati aurat and thats what they have always exhibited. Petty and pathetic.

 

[KingKhanWC]

So will India not come to Pakistan if an ICC event is held in Pakistan? I doubt they wont. So here all that reasoning goes out of window. Its hollow posturing based on their newly acquired clout. Nawaz sharif was right when he called them a Dehati aurat and thats what they have always exhibited. Petty and pathetic.

This is a bloke who will defend India with any lame idiotic argument as for him its hate against Pakistan. This is a man who cheered Indian jets to bomb Pakistani schoolchildren, you can find the posts.

Now he claims its to keep money out of PCB pockets. )

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

Petty thinking and strategy isnt it? When other nation just wants the tournament to go on with or without india and not thinking about revenue and money.. its like Indians probably think that cricket revenue is going to solve our financial woes giving themselves too much importance

 

[cricketjoshila]

Youve posted on this topic thousands of times, not my toys.

What is the reason for the RSS government not allowing these rockstars to play in Pakistan?

I am not getting frustrated and hurling names.

Our wish.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Just pointing out the logical fallacy and pure hypocrisy. Maybe critical thinking is not taught where you come from. Clearly shows.

Again. You don't understand. We do what is in our interest.

What is taught to us reflects in the success of Indians world over.

 

[atomberg]

Disney has rights for ICC/ACC events in India. They definitely need India and Pakistan matches for more viewers. They get more concurrent viewers around 20L, when India perform well or when Pakistan losing badly against any team in the tournament.
Again don't believe whatever ultranationalist bhakts post here.

 

[cricketjoshila]

So will India not come to Pakistan if an ICC event is held in Pakistan? I doubt they wont. So here all that reasoning goes out of window. Its hollow posturing based on their newly acquired clout. Nawaz sharif was right when he called them a Dehati aurat and thats what they have always exhibited. Petty and pathetic.

India will not come to Pakistan in 2025 either, unless ofcourse relations improve drastically.

Again, India wont decide its policies as per the satisfaction of our neighbour.

Now now, see who are doing all the name calling and mudslinging and who made his statement and then is sitting quietly and confidently knowing that what he says will happen.

 

[atomberg]

Even around 7-8L watched the second innings of the warmup match between Pakistan and England.

 

[atomberg]

If PCB has any self respect, they should ask ICC not to schedule India-Pakistan match during the group stage of ICC tournaments.

 

[Slim]

Again. You don't understand. We do what is in our interest.

What is taught to us reflects in the success of Indians world over.

This nationalism falls flat when you step out of India. I got many Indian friends and love interests and no one is jingoistic like the folks i see here from India or on the web. The reason why countries like India and Pakistan will not progress is because theres abundance of small minded petty pathetic people who cannot think beyond their hatred.

Also, come to canada someday, your 20 year old indian kid is putting everything on offer to chase the canadian dream. He wants to get that PR so bad and wants nothing to do with India. I don’t blame them, they were born in a wrong place.

 

[Slim]

India will not come to Pakistan in 2025 either, unless ofcourse relations improve drastically.

Again, India wont decide its policies as per the satisfaction of our neighbour.

Now now, see who are doing all the name calling and mudslinging and who made his statement and then is sitting quietly and confidently knowing that what he says will happen.

I wonder where the tongues and all that bravado was before the 2010s. Where we fought three wars, i did not see those statements then. Its all a matter of newly acquired clout otherwise we know how much confidence and courage the lot that you idealise has!

And im not name calling, i am just calling it how it is. Indian government and its lackeys have always exhibited the behavior of a dehati aurat.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I am not getting frustrated and hurling names.

Our wish.

Facts aren't frustration.

Ill ask again.

Why aren't Indian government not willing to send the team to Pakistan?

 

[Mamoon]

So will India not come to Pakistan if an ICC event is held in Pakistan? I doubt they wont. So here all that reasoning goes out of window. Its hollow posturing based on their newly acquired clout. Nawaz sharif was right when he called them a Dehati aurat and thats what they have always exhibited. Petty and pathetic.

This is where ICC showed its immaturity and naivety. It was a blunder to award Pakistan hosting rights to the 2025 CT.

If India maintains its stance then Pakistan will be forced to host the CT in UAE. There is no possibility of ICC accepting an ICC tournament without India’s participation.

ICC created a problem for itself. They should have waited for the resumption of bilateral ties between BCCI and PCB before giving the latter hosting rights to ICC tournaments.

 

[Mamoon]

This is a bloke who will defend India with any lame idiotic argument as for him its hate against Pakistan. This is a man who cheered Indian jets to bomb Pakistani schoolchildren, you can find the posts.

Now he claims its to keep money out of PCB pockets. )

That’s the truth. If you want to be in denial and manufacture alternate reasons it is your choice.

 

[Mamoon]

Nobody cares about the rankings lol.

Indias are the best in your religious book, we know this.

But their money wont mean they will win every time they play Pak. In fact Pak have a better team atm imo and in the views of many. Perhaps this is also a reason, Modi's extremists wont be happy if Pak regularly beat them.

So according to the biggest supporter of India on this planet, this is a measure to ensure Pakistan earn less money?

Yet Indias no1 fan doesnt realise Pakistan team isnt eating lentils with water, its the majority of Indians in India.

Everyone cares about rankings. If reflects quality and consistency. This is why Pakistani fans celebrate Babar and Rizwan’s rankings in T20Is and celebrated when Misbah’s Pakistan became the number one ranked Test side in 2016 for 3 seconds.

If you think Pakistan is a better team than India right now it is your delusion and a laughable one. You can also think that Pakistan has dominating India in every war and is a country of angels that has never wronged anyone. There is no limit to fantasies and delusional thinking.

Once again, this is not about India’s money. That is not even the point. The point is that India does not want Pakistan making money directly from India’s actions. It is very simple.

This is why they will not resume bilateral ties with Pakistan or play in Pakistan.

 

[KingKhanWC]

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That’s the truth. If you want to be in denial and manufacture alternate reasons it is your choice.

Where is your evidence? Is there are a quote from Modi, RSS leader or BCCI leaders?

 

[Slim]

This is where ICC showed its immaturity and naivety. It was a blunder to award Pakistan hosting rights to the 2025 CT.

If India maintains its stance then Pakistan will be forced to host the CT in UAE. There is no possibility of ICC accepting an ICC tournament without India’s participation.

ICC created a problem for itself. They should have waited for the resumption of bilateral ties between BCCI and PCB before giving the latter hosting rights to ICC tournaments.

What an utterly ridiculous post. Is ICC supposed to govern international cricket or babysit BCCI? Why should Pakistan not get ICC tournies because of BCCI’s pettiness?

 

[KingKhanWC]

Everyone cares about rankings. If reflects quality and consistency. This is why Pakistani fans celebrate Babar and Rizwan’s rankings in T20Is and celebrated when Misbah’s Pakistan became the number one ranked Test side in 2016 for 3 seconds.

If you think Pakistan is a better team than India right now it is your delusion and a laughable one. You can also think that Pakistan has dominating India in every war and is a country of angels that has never wronged anyone. There is no limit to fantasies and delusional thinking.

Once again, this is not about India’s money. That is not even the point. The point is that India does not want Pakistan making money directly from India’s actions. It is very simple.

This is why they will not resume bilateral ties with Pakistan or play in Pakistan.

Dont confuse player rankings with national rankings by ICC. It may give you sleepless nights if India is below Pak but most arent worried.

You do realise when India plays Pak in ICC events or Asia cup, PCB make a lot of money? Why no boycott those events?

 

[Mamoon]

Where is your evidence? Is there are a quote from Modi, RSS leader or BCCI leaders?

Not everything that a country does has to be spelled out. It is implied and understood when you look at the actions and behavior patterns.

As I said, you are free to think otherwise. My aim is not to convince you to agree with me but to help you and other confused and disappointed Pakistani fans who will keep moaning without trying to understand the motive.

 

[cricketjoshila]

This nationalism falls flat when you step out of India. I got many Indian friends and love interests and no one is jingoistic like the folks i see here from India or on the web. The reason why countries like India and Pakistan will not progress is because theres abundance of small minded petty pathetic people who cannot think beyond their hatred.

Also, come to canada someday, your 20 year old indian kid is putting everything on offer to chase the canadian dream. He wants to get that PR so bad and wants nothing to do with India. I don’t blame them, they were born in a wrong place.

There are always pakistanis on PP who have indian friends who think like pakistanis want them to and pakistanis always find Indians who want nothing to do with India.

Good.