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The title says it all. Why PCB still keep silent about Sarfraz issue? They did the same thing after spot fixing saga and now this. Are they trying to save Sarfraz?
 
Indeed it is really disappointing to see that PCB hasn’t taken any action against him.

They really should have set an example out of this.
 
Sarfraz should apologize and get it over with.

The longer it gets dragged the bigger the issue it will become.
 
People will stop having bilateral tours with Pakistan. It will be very slow change but will have long term consequences.
Loud mouth needs to be sacked
 
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Bhai wait karlou I am sure something will come out beige the 3 odi they are probably discussing internally before announcing something,also waiting to see ICC stance on this
 
PCB are probably confused themselves as to what the fuss is about. Someone should probably give them an explanation of the intricacies of what is perceived as racist language outside of the subcontinent.
 
It has been a day and PCB have not uttered a word. Just goes to show their incompetence and how they are never prepared for any situation. I highly doubt if they have any anti-racism policies in the first place.
 
Mamoon said:
It has been a day and PCB have not uttered a word. Just goes to show their incompetence and how they are never prepared for any situation. I highly doubt if they have any anti-racism policies in the first place.
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you are pretending as if this is your first time coming to Pakistan.
 
Xoib said:
Bhai wait karlou I am sure something will come out beige the 3 odi they are probably discussing internally before announcing something,also waiting to see ICC stance on this
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Waiting for ICC to take a stand.... Doesn't it show how spineless the administration is?
 
slipcatch said:
you are pretending as if this is your first time coming to Pakistan.
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I was born and brought up in Pakistan and still live here. I am aware of our attitude towards racism. However, as an organisation, PCB needs to have clear defined policies and should educate its players on its significance in today's world. Hopefully, this incident will serve as a catalyst.
 
Really feeling embarrased. Hopefully the SA player don’t think every Pakistani player is like this. I have heard Sarfraz is a religious guy, so he should have known better, you simply just don’t utter things like that.
 
For once, I feel everyone is going overboard. Why telling ****/kallu is disgraceful - i dont get that... At least iin subcontinent - gori (not gowri) / krishna are very much in use. They are not meant to offend. Yes they identify a person by skin color - so wat?
 
May be they are in process of forming 10-12 member inquiry committee - they'll need former cricketers, judges, psychiatrist, linguistic experts, diplomats, historians (expert of SAF's Apartheid period), sociologist and may be a media person as well in that panel for first assessment ....... then 2nd panel, more like a jury board for the trial and then comes judgement panel. It'll take some time na bro.
 
arunpsm said:
For once, I feel everyone is going overboard. Why telling ****/kallu is disgraceful - i dont get that... At least iin subcontinent - gori (not gowri) / krishna are very much in use. They are not meant to offend. Yes they identify a person by skin color - so wat?
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There are two groups outraged by Sarfraz's comments.

1). People who have historically disliked him for a multitude of reasons and see this as the big opportunity to where the majority opinion is against him and he has been caught with his pants down. They want to not only see him removed from captaincy (the right decision) but also as a player and endure the humiliation of an ill-timed description.

2). Individuals who believe that terms such as "black" or "white" are racist or demeaning when describing someone because of the perceived notion beforehand that the issue of racism has to do with skin color only. They lack the foresight to understand that Pakistanis are generally dark-skinned and therefore to differentiate someone with African heritage, use the term "khala". (It's the name of several villages in Pakistan such as **** Kamala, etc). The term has entered the common language of Punjabi and Urdu and is not only found in Pakistan but also other sub-continent countries.

You have extreme groups on both sides and yet no one has asked the most important question underlying this entire scenario; what does Phelukwayo have to say about it?
 
arunpsm said:
For once, I feel everyone is going overboard. Why telling ****/kallu is disgraceful - i dont get that... At least iin subcontinent - gori (not gowri) / krishna are very much in use. They are not meant to offend. Yes they identify a person by skin color - so wat?
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What you described is who a racist is.
 
arunpsm said:
For once, I feel everyone is going overboard. Why telling ****/kallu is disgraceful - i dont get that... At least iin subcontinent - gori (not gowri) / krishna are very much in use. They are not meant to offend. Yes they identify a person by skin color - so wat?
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May be we have to stop living in a pot and start coming out? This is SA which is known for racial issues. These justifictions are lame.
 
MMHS said:
May be they are in process of forming 10-12 member inquiry committee - they'll need former cricketers, judges, psychiatrist, linguistic experts, diplomats, historians (expert of SAF's Apartheid period), sociologist and may be a media person as well in that panel for first assessment ....... then 2nd panel, more like a jury board for the trial and then comes judgement panel. It'll take some time na bro.
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bro only 10-12 hour enough for these thing, we r in hurry.:12:
 
how do you expect PCB to say anything Ehsan mani is busy with other sports as Imran khan made him head of that task force on all sports he is head of everything right now in Pakistan and he isn't Proactive like sethi either
 
I suppose the contrast would be with the Pandya situation in India. They should suspend him till further inquiry.
To be clear, this is the same thing the PCB did when the match-fixing trio were charged.
Instead of withdrawing them and bringing them home to conduct internal inquiry, they waited for the press and ICC to act with disastrous results. Even worse was Ijaz Butt blaming the England players.

The best thing for PCB to do is bring him home immediately and suspend and conduct internal investigation. Considering that this involves south africa and with its past history, this is particularly time sensitive.
 
Well to be honest, the South Africans and the ICC had no idea what happened and didn't even whisper about it, only the Pak media, ex players and fans highlighted the issue aggressively enough for the proteas to start wondering what happened here
 
YousafTheBeast said:
Because he implied that because of his skin colour he doesn’t look Pathan, why is it even necessary to say that?



What if Sammy really is a Pathan and has melanism?

Both are related to skin colour, the only difference being that Sarfraz mentioned phel... mother.
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Don't think Sammy took offense. So don't think it is a big deal.
It is a well known fact that sammy isn't a pathan so i don't know what you are playing at.
 
I am British born myself, majority of my close friends and associates are none pakistani, having spent most of my young age mostly within my own community, I have realised we are always quick to claim the race card whether the P word is used or not. We also quick to refer to others thru there skin color we seldom have any understanding or realisation towards being politically correct
 
Whatever happens now, I sincerely hope Sarfraz now stops the repeated blabbering he does behind the stumps, which will actually be good for PAK team.
 
Misia said:
I am British born myself, majority of my close friends and associates are none pakistani, having spent most of my young age mostly within my own community, I have realised we are always quick to claim the race card whether the P word is used or not. We also quick to refer to others thru there skin color we seldom have any understanding or realisation towards being politically correct
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I am also British born, but I would say you are wrong, Sarfraz is reflecting the mentality of the paindu Pakistanis rather than British born, we are generally very aware of what is racism so please don't speak on our behalf.
 
Pathetic from the PCB. They should have at least released a statement apologising and saying they will be taking action against Sarfraz.
 
Hasan123 said:
Pathetic from the PCB. They should have at least released a statement apologising and saying they will be taking action against Sarfraz.
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and why should they do it? the person who did it apologized. Now its upto PCB and his employee sarfaraz how they punish him. If ICC wants to punish they can.
 
Plumb said:
and why should they do it? the person who did it apologized. Now its upto PCB and his employee sarfaraz how they punish him. If ICC wants to punish they can.
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Some people think Sarfraz comments are racist. By PCB doing nothing and staying silent , people will think they don't take rascim seriously.
 
Hasan123 said:
Some people think Sarfraz comments are racist. By PCB doing nothing and staying silent , people will think they don't take rascim seriously.
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its between pcb and Sarfaraz. As I said ICC can do what the book says or Match Refree decides If PCB is taking the professional approach to deal with this close door anything wrong?
 
This only makes PCB look bad in front of the world. Sarfraz should be striped of his captaincy and banned for couple of games. Sarfraz has been a burden on the team, this should have made it easier for PCB to remove him but yet again PCB shows its incompetence.
 
Savak said:
Well to be honest, the South Africans and the ICC had no idea what happened and didn't even whisper about it, only the Pak media, ex players and fans highlighted the issue aggressively enough for the proteas to start wondering what happened here
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You know this how?
 
The Australian board is probably the only one that gets offended instantly by its players. Other boards usually are lazy and wait till the ICC reacts on on field issues.
 
Prince of Pakistan said:
The Australian board is probably the only one that gets offended instantly by its players. Other boards usually are lazy and wait till the ICC reacts on on field issues.
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I think BCCI acted swiftly about pandya, and KL rahul. What makes it more impressive, is that they probably did not run afoul of any ICC regulation, but the BCCI realizes in today's metoo era the damage to the sport from fans and sponsors.
 
Savak said:
Well to be honest, the South Africans and the ICC had no idea what happened and didn't even whisper about it, only the Pak media, ex players and fans highlighted the issue aggressively enough for the proteas to start wondering what happened here
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Exactly what I thought as well.
 
PCB have released a statement and have criticised the actions of Sarfaraz.

Looks like he will be sacked soon
 
Pete Rose said:
sack/suspend now, not later
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This part of the post just gives me hope that sarfaraz won't be captain. “Sarfaraz is one of the most respected cricketers in the world. However, captaining Pakistan is a massive honour and any hurtful remarks by any cricketer, let alone the captain, are not acceptable to the PCB."

But guess what... They are PCB. They don't care about other people.
 
a_tahir said:
This part of the post just gives me hope that sarfaraz won't be captain. “Sarfaraz is one of the most respected cricketers in the world. However, captaining Pakistan is a massive honour and any hurtful remarks by any cricketer, let alone the captain, are not acceptable to the PCB."

But guess what... They are PCB. They don't care about other people.
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I have nothing against sarfaraz but this this the pcb history as i recall it:
Wasim,Inzi,Musy,Waqar busted for smoking weed on a beach in grenada in windies - pcb did nothing
inzi beat up a spectator (yes i know it was the organizer's fault for allowing a megaphone, but that doesnt excuse violence against a fan) - pcb did nothing
match-fixing stuff - pcb did nothing against the big fish
fight in a nighclub (mohammad akram, saqlain mushtaq) in south africa in 2004 (?) - pcb did nothing
spot fixing trio - pcb did nothing
doping by akhtar (and now shehzad) - pcb did nothing
sharjeel ahmed - pcb plans to have him ready for the world cup
 
Prince of Pakistan said:
The Australian board is probably the only one that gets offended instantly by its players. Other boards usually are lazy and wait till the ICC reacts on on field issues.
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Nah, I think all boards except PCB does this. It leaves control in their own hands and icc takes a back seat. The players also respect the board more because their punishment is dependent on How they behave with their board. No player respects pcb as they know pcb will do nothing or support them blindly
 
Indiafan said:
Hey that person is black - nothing wrong

Hey blacky, come here - racist
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Waisay back on point, I spent last night thinking about how poor non-english languages are for nuance when talking people of color. I dont if it the same in Hindi.
In urdu people use Siyah Faam for black (Which is a literal translation, i.e. of dark hue) or habshi (This one is offensive, but used colloquially as in habshi halwa -which is a mithai - habshi literally refers to Abyssinian slaves)
 
Plumb said:
its between pcb and Sarfaraz. As I said ICC can do what the book says or Match Refree decides If PCB is taking the professional approach to deal with this close door anything wrong?
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The icc ONLY intervenes when they think a board is doing nothing. If the board takes action, lile aus did with Smith, ICC does nothing.

The professional approach would be to inform ICC that PCB has things under control. There is no need for ICC to even do anything if PCB was trusted . This just makes the PCB look weak and that big brother ICC needs to always take decisions on their players.
 
PCB is doing what any board would do, that is to defend their captain. Whether you like him or not, for PCB he is still the captain of the Pakistan national side.

Those Indians who are slitting their wrists over this should remember how many times BCCI has backed Kohli despite his utterly pathetic antics on the field.
 
I am disappointed my AOC inspired Hashtag #wheresMani has found no traction on this forum.

Sigh...

He should really step out of the safety of his boardroom.
 
Syed1 said:
PCB is doing what any board would do, that is to defend their captain. Whether you like him or not, for PCB he is still the captain of the Pakistan national side.

Those Indians who are slitting their wrists over this should remember how many times BCCI has backed Kohli despite his utterly pathetic antics on the field.
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This is racism, which has a different code.

PCB by protecting Sarfraz is leaving him open to both ICC and CSA punishments/anger. Watch this space.
 
Pete Rose said:
I have nothing against sarfaraz but this this the pcb history as i recall it:
Wasim,Inzi,Musy,Waqar busted for smoking weed on a beach in grenada in windies - pcb did nothing
inzi beat up a spectator (yes i know it was the organizer's fault for allowing a megaphone, but that doesnt excuse violence against a fan) - pcb did nothing
match-fixing stuff - pcb did nothing against the big fish
fight in a nighclub (mohammad akram, saqlain mushtaq) in south africa in 2004 (?) - pcb did nothing
spot fixing trio - pcb did nothing
doping by akhtar (and now shehzad) - pcb did nothing
sharjeel ahmed - pcb plans to have him ready for the world cup
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Most likely in all these cases the player concerned had already spoken to the PCB chairman directly and as long as he was in the good books with the chairman , the reply would have been along the lines of ‘tum fikar na karo, main sab sambhal loon ga, tum bas World Cup ki tayyari karo’ and that is what Sarfraz has probably been assured... with this kind of approach, disciplinary policies and procedures can be bypassed at will. :)
 
Pete Rose said:
Waisay back on point, I spent last night thinking about how poor non-english languages are for nuance when talking people of color. I dont if it the same in Hindi.
In urdu people use Siyah Faam for black (Which is a literal translation, i.e. of dark hue) or habshi (This one is offensive, but used colloquially as in habshi halwa -which is a mithai - habshi literally refers to Abyssinian slaves)
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Yes it's pretty similar in hindi. Words like shyam for black, gerua for brownish/wheatish are considered more respectful. Kaala is only used among friends or in demeaning way. Habshi is also a known word though not common at all in India.
 
Syed1 said:
PCB is doing what any board would do, that is to defend their captain. Whether you like him or not, for PCB he is still the captain of the Pakistan national side.

Those Indians who are slitting their wrists over this should remember how many times BCCI has backed Kohli despite his utterly pathetic antics on the field.
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I don't think anyone from any country would have any problems with a player abusing, even if it's sarfraz
 
Indiafan said:
The icc ONLY intervenes when they think a board is doing nothing. If the board takes action, lile aus did with Smith, ICC does nothing.

The professional approach would be to inform ICC that PCB has things under control. There is no need for ICC to even do anything if PCB was trusted . This just makes the PCB look weak and that big brother ICC needs to always take decisions on their players.
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PCB has issued statement and will do what is required behind close doors. No need to tell PCB what needs to be done. Who told you that PCB not trusted and by who? don't make up stuff by thinking in your own world. If you don't like how it was handled look the other way Its between PCB Sarfaraz and ICC.
 
Most Boards would have kept quiet and dealt with it quietly behind closed doors with the ICC.

However, not the good ol PCB, who have to put their foot in it every time.
 
Saj said:
Most Boards would have kept quiet and dealt with it quietly behind closed doors with the ICC.

However, not the good ol PCB, who have to put their foot in it every time.
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Weren't you advocating for the PCB to deal with the issue immediately with full force?
 
Saj said:
Most Boards would have kept quiet and dealt with it quietly behind closed doors with the ICC.

However, not the good ol PCB, who have to put their foot in it every time.
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For the past 24 hours, all we have heard is... “PCB should be proactive”.

As soon as they take some steps to do so, the narrative seems to have changed to, “the PCB should have been proactive but not like this”.
 
Savak said:
Weren't you advocating for the PCB to deal with the issue immediately with full force?
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Dealing with such an issue is not just about making a bizarre and useless statement.
 
Mani needs to be man up and suspend Sarfraz at least two games. Otherwise ICC will interfere and humiliate us by ban Sarfraz. Silence or hibernate when problems arise is not a good for PCB's reputation. If he is incapable to take firm stance he should resign as well. We need a proactive and firm person as PCB chairman to run PCB in order to move forward.
 
ManFan said:
For the past 24 hours, all we have heard is... “PCB should be proactive”.

As soon as they take some steps to do so, the narrative seems to have changed to, “the PCB should have been proactive but not like this”.
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This reminds me a very famous catchphrase from an election based drama of 90s. "Mein Bholoen key na bholoen".
Even our posters cannot make their mind up about PCB statement to give or not give.:shhh
 
It will be awful to see a tainted player leading Pakistan national side. PCB have no idea what impact their cowardice will have on fans.
 
ManFan said:
For the past 24 hours, all we have heard is... “PCB should be proactive”.

As soon as they take some steps to do so, the narrative seems to have changed to, “the PCB should have been proactive but not like this”.
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How is it contradictory, proactive would be get ahead of the issue and either punish the player or defend him, here they have indirectly proclaimed him guilty while not punishing him for it.
 
PCB should have atleast called back Sarfraz from the remaining ODIs in SA and waited until the next series. Will PCB or Sarfraz not feel ashamed to go for toss tomorrow against a team whom he just racially abused? Being an Indian fan where BCCI set high standards, all these looks so bad from outside.
 
Canford Cliffs said:
PCB should have atleast called back Sarfraz from the remaining ODIs in SA and waited until the next series. Will PCB or Sarfraz not feel ashamed to go for toss tomorrow against a team whom he just racially abused? Being an Indian fan where BCCI set high standards, all these looks so bad from outside.
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It will be a very shambolic moment for Pakistan when Faf or other SA players refuses to shake hand with him.
 
Canford Cliffs said:
PCB should have atleast called back Sarfraz from the remaining ODIs in SA and waited until the next series. Will PCB or Sarfraz not feel ashamed to go for toss tomorrow against a team whom he just racially abused? Being an Indian fan where BCCI set high standards, all these looks so bad from outside.
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From PCB's pov

1. Sarf has apologized
2. They have made a statetement
3. SA have accepted his apology

Nothing to see - move on....
 
Mamoon said:
I was born and brought up in Pakistan and still live here. I am aware of our attitude towards racism. However, as an organisation, PCB needs to have clear defined policies and should educate its players on its significance in today's world. Hopefully, this incident will serve as a catalyst.
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You are pretending as if this is the first time you have seen PCB handle uncomfortable situation.
 
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