Peace with Pakistan will give India direct access to Central Asia: Imran Khan

[Napa]

Delivering the inaugural address at the launch of the two-day Islamabad Security Dialogue, Khan also said that his government after coming to power in 2018 did everything for better ties with India and it was for India to reciprocate.

Correct me if I am wrong, but I seem to remember that soon after coming to power IK insulted Modi by calling him a "small man", "Hitler" etc.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Tch tch, pulwamas will carry on and Abhinandan’s will keep on dragged around.

Yes, sure have nothing to do with Pakistan. Thats fine but do realize that there is a bigger danger lurking around on the Northern border, which is slowly going to strangle India from all sides. CPEC is just one example of this.

Also I personally feel that its a pity that at a people to people level, we have come to this stage where we have so much hatred for each other based on religious lines. After all we Pakistanis and Indians are blood related to each other.
Some time in future we will have to realize that we need to move on.

No wonder you support terrorist acts. This is the very reason India should stay away from Pakistan.

Pakistan will keep on begging for money for bailouts and your PMs will keep chauffering Arabs to get some money.

Dont worry about us. We can take care of ourselves. Worry about where pakistan will get the next dole from.

Move on? The day pakistan realizes that it cannot take kashmir nor its support to a terrorist secessionist movement is going to achieve anything, we can talk about moving on.

Till then India should stay away.

 

[Napa]

The day pakistan realizes that it cannot take kashmir nor its support to a terrorist secessionist movement is going to achieve anything, we can talk about moving on.

Till then India should stay away.

I don't have any doubt that the Pakistani Army understands it cannot take Kashmir. However, it needs to keep telling the Pakistani people otherwise to justify their dominance of domestic civilian affairs.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Abhinandan was dragged around like a mule by the locals and his nose was bloodied before the Pakistan army spared his life and he thanked their hospitality and the Pakistani tea before being made to record videos for kicks and finally. Be sent home.

That poor guy failed in his mission as he was outsmarted in the air.. And India had to resort to fake stories of downing F-16s to save his face but unfortunately no international organization or country believes that.

We dragged around 90k pakistanis for months. Your PM had to come on his knees to India and sign a peace treaty. You lost half the country.

Abhinandan chased out a group of F16s and then Pakistan had to release him because as your parliamentarian described, they were scared of retaliation.

The fake stories is a forte of pakistan. They refuse to acknowledge their dead soldiers in kargil. India had to bury their bodies. Thats the amount of honour they have.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Didn't Arnab Goswami's leaked conversations give away that it was a false flag attack? Even if it wasn't the culprit was a Kashmiri boy from Pulwama.

Pakistan actually called India's bluff and arrested the names given to them by India but India offered no further proof.

The fact that you still believe a terror camp was bombed basically lets me know you've bought into the uber-nationalism being fed to you.

You can change the narrative and point to whatever you want. As far as India and Pakistan relations are concerned. India was most recently the aggressor. If you don't want peace or non-hostile relations that is fine. But own it rather than trying to shift the blame.

False flag? Lol. Almost every important country in the world condemned the attack and many named pakistani organization for it. UNSC sanctioned a Pakistani national for it.

Most ISIS terror attacks were by locals, yet the ultimate blamed lied with ISIS. Did Afghans carry out 9/11? Which country did US attack?

Pakistan openly supports a terrorist secessionist movement in India, thats aggression.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Pakistan wants these stupid peace talks so that the international pressure at forums like FATF is released and also the cost to its economy due to a hot border reduces. Once thst happens the subversive activities in India will rise again.

Modi will be a fool to believe pakistan, a country which has broken every peace agreement it has signed with India.

 

[pakistan cricket fan]

We dragged around 90k pakistanis for months. Your PM had to come on his knees to India and sign a peace treaty. You lost half the country.

Abhinandan chased out a group of F16s and then Pakistan had to release him because as your parliamentarian described, they were scared of retaliation.

The fake stories is a forte of pakistan. They refuse to acknowledge their dead soldiers in kargil. India had to bury their bodies. Thats the amount of honour they have.

Let me guess this information you get from Arnab dog Goswami and the rubbish Indian media.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Peace with Pakistan? What will BJP do and how will they survive in Indian politics if there is peace between India and Pakistan?

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Let me guess this information you get from Arnab dog Goswami and the rubbish Indian media.

Oh those cringy headlines by our media. 'Darr gaya Pakistan', 'Pakistan ne bharat ke aage ghutne teke, Abhinandan ki hogi bharat wapsi'.

 

[RickyG]

False flag? Lol. Almost every important country in the world condemned the attack and many named pakistani organization for it. UNSC sanctioned a Pakistani national for it.

Most ISIS terror attacks were by locals, yet the ultimate blamed lied with ISIS. Did Afghans carry out 9/11? Which country did US attack?

Pakistan openly supports a terrorist secessionist movement in India, thats aggression.

Anyone can buy a narrative but your modern day leader needed to freshen up the hostilities with Pakistan especially since Imran khan had offered an olive branch. India failed to provide proof to Pakistan.

40 odd jawans in training was a small price to pay for re-election. If you were Modi, how many jawans in training would you be willing to sacrifice to get re-elected?

No ISIS does not get the blame when they try to take credit for random instances that had nothing to do with them. Extremist Islam does take the blame but not any organization if it’s a lone wolf attack with no links to an organization.

Are you saying the locals were responsible for 9/11? FYI they weren’t.

Pakistan supports the humanitarian cause of Kashmiris. And so they should. They should also support the cause of Uighur Muslims. But not just Muslims any group of people under an extremist occupation.

 

[OMB]

Time to bury the past, says Qamar Javed Bajwa on India-Pakistan ties; calls for resolution of Kashmir dispute

A stable relationship between India and Pakistan is a key to unlock the potential of South and Central Asia, said Pakistani Army Chief General Qamar Javed Bajwa. After the announcement of a joint ceasefire last month, Pakistan Army Chief Qamar Javed Bajwa said it is time to bury the past and move forward.

Tying Kashmir dispute to “peace” between the two “nuclear neighbours”, Bajwa said it is important to understand that without the resolution of the dispute through peaceful means, the “process will always remain susceptible to derailment to politically motivated bellicosity.”

Speaking at an event in Islamabad, Bajwa said a stable relationship between India and Pakistan is key to unlocking the potential of South and Central Asia by ensuring connectivity between East and West Asia. He further said that the onus for meaningful dialogue rests with India and stated that unsettled issues in South Asia are dragging the entire region back into "poverty and underdevelopment".

“It is sad to know that even today it [South Asia] is amongst the least integrated regions of the world in terms of trade, infrastructure, water and energy cooperation. On top of it, despite being impoverished, we end up spending a lot of our money on defence, which naturally comes at the expense of human development,” ANI quoted Bajwa as saying.

Bajwa’s comment on India-Pakistan ties comes days after Prime Minister Imran Khan said that India would have to take the first step for improving bilateral relations by addressing the Kashmir issue. He also said that the peace with Pakistan will benefit India economically as it will enable New Delhi to directly access the resource-rich Central Asia region through Pakistani territory.

Earlier, Indian Foreign Secretary Harsh Vardhan Shringla while welcoming the recent ceasefire announcement by the two armies said that New Delhi desires good neighbourly ties with Islamabad.

“If any, bilaterally but any meaningful dialogue can only be held in a conducive atmosphere and the onus is on Islamabad to create it,” said the Foreign Secretary.

India further also told Pakistan that “talks and terror” cannot go together and asked Islamabad to take demonstrable steps against terror groups responsible for launching attacks on India.

India and Pakistan announced that they have agreed to a ceasefire along the Line of Control (LoC) last month.

https://www.timesnownews.com/india/article/time-to-bury-the-past-says-qamar-javed-bajwa-on-india-pakistan-ties-calls-for-resolution-of-kashmir-dispute/734332

 

[Romali_rotti]

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.. Interesting report by Palki, one thing is for sure, Indians and Pakistanis (leadership) are destined to be enemies till the end of time..

 

[OMB]

Why Pakistan is offering peace with India

India's western neighbour Pakistan is offering to "bury the past and move forward", a day after Prime Minister Imran Khan made similar overtures towards New Delhi following an unexpected ceasefire announcement by the militaries of the two countries weeks ago.

Last month, India said that it wished to have normal neighbourly relations with Pakistan in an environment free of terror, hostility and violence. India has said the onus is on Pakistan to create an environment free of terror and hostility.
India has also told Pakistan that "talks and terror" cannot go together and has asked Islamabad to take demonstrable steps against terror groups responsible for launching various attacks on India.

However, Pakistan's Army Chief of Staff General Qamar Javed Bajwa's call for movement towards cooperation has a few reasons:

Financial Action Task Force

Amid low chances of Pakistan exiting the Financial Action Task Force's (FATF) grey list, a research paper by an Islamabad-based think tank has revealed that Pakistan sustained a total of $38 billion in economic losses due to FATF's decision to thrice place the country on its grey list.

Pakistan has been on the FATF's grey list since June 2018 and the government was given a final warning in February 2020 to complete the 27 action points by June in the same year.

Cash-strapped

The World Bank has approved a USD 300 million loan to help cash-strapped Pakistan address issues of climate change, health emergency and manage solid waste to reduce flooding chances in the country's financial capital Karachi, a media report said on Thursday.

Pakistan received $500 million from the World Bank and the Asian Development Bank each in June this year to prop up its struggling economy.

Pakistan's total public debt, domestic and external, was recorded at Rs36.3 trillion in the financial year 2019-20, up 154 per cent (or Rs22 trillion) since FY13, when it was recorded at Rs 14.3 trillion, according to official data.

Daniel Pearl case

US President Joe Biden had said he was "outraged" after Pakistan's top court upheld the acquittal and ordered the release of Ahmed Omar Saeed Sheikh, the terrorist convicted of masterminding the 2002 beheading of US journalist Daniel Pearl.

Pearl's killing -- which was filmed -- caused international shock and outrage.

Secretary of State Antony Blinken said that Washington is ready to prosecute Sheikh in the United States for his horrific crimes against an American citizen.

Sinking economy

Pakistan's economy is in the doldrums, plunging to new lows every day with inflation at an all-time high.

In January, Pakistan had witnessed 12-year high inflation at 14.6 per cent which is among the highest in the world.

Food prices have been spiralling out of control in the country. In October, food inflation was at 16.6 per cent. The Pakistan government went on a panic-buying spree to bring the prices down.

The East Asia forum calls 2020 a forgettable year for Pakistan's economy as its GDP fell to -0.4 per cent.

Pakistan's per capita income fell from $1625 to $1325.

Pakistan's economy is scraping the bottom of the barrel with unemployment zooming. According to the World Economic Forum, the youth unemployment rate in Pakistan stands at 8.5 per cent in a country where 64 per cent of the population is below the age of 30.

Top officials of the Pakistan government are in panic mode after the United Arab Emirates (UAE) demanded its $1billion back. The amount is deposited with the State Bank of Pakistan (SBP), the central bank of the country. The deadline to return the $1billin is 12 March. The money is demanded as the amount has reached its maturity.

In 2018, the Pentagon cancelled $300 million in aid to Pakistan because of Islamabad's inaction against terror groups.

India and Pakistan signed a ceasefire agreement in 2003, but it had hardly been followed in letter and spirit over the past several years with more violations than observance of the pact.

Ties between India and Pakistan nose-dived after a terror attack on the Pathankot Air Force base in 2016 by terror groups based in the neighbouring country. Subsequent attacks, including one on the Indian Army camp in Uri, further deteriorated the relationship.

The ties dipped further after India's warplanes pounded a Jaish-e-Mohammed terrorist training camp deep inside Pakistan on February 26, 2019 in response to the Pulwama terror attack in which 40 CRPF jawans were killed.

https://www.wionews.com/south-asia/why-pakistan-is-offering-peace-with-india-371510

 

[Slog]

We dragged around 90k pakistanis for months. Your PM had to come on his knees to India and sign a peace treaty. You lost half the country.

Abhinandan chased out a group of F16s and then Pakistan had to release him because as your parliamentarian described, they were scared of retaliation.

The fake stories is a forte of pakistan. They refuse to acknowledge their dead soldiers in kargil. India had to bury their bodies. Thats the amount of honour they have.

You keep referring to statements of an opposition Member out of desperation because you’re left clutching at straws..

I can refer to what your opposition has said about the government and Modi or this incident in past year but it would embarrass you even further. Would be funny tho lol.

Your inconsistencies and mental gymnastics are hilarious tho. You won’t ever trust foreign reports when they say no F-16 was shot down or no ‘terror camp’ was combed but you will trust them faster than anything if they say Chinese deaths. OR you will never take Rahul Gandhi’s or
Congress words as truth but a random Pakistan opposition member is speaking the gospel truth because it suits your agenda )

Joshila Bhai, don’t make this much of a joke of yourself

 

[cricketjoshila]

You keep referring to statements of an opposition Member out of desperation because you’re left clutching at straws..

I can refer to what your opposition has said about the government and Modi or this incident in past year but it would embarrass you even further. Would be funny tho lol.

Your inconsistencies and mental gymnastics are hilarious tho. You won’t ever trust foreign reports when they say no F-16 was shot down or no ‘terror camp’ was combed but you will trust them faster than anything if they say Chinese deaths. OR you will never take Rahul Gandhi’s or
Congress words as truth but a random Pakistan opposition member is speaking the gospel truth because it suits your agenda )

Joshila Bhai, don’t make this much of a joke of yourself

Opposition member made the statement in your parliament. If he was lying, was a breach of privilege motion brought against him?

Rahul Gandhi puts aloo in a machine and brings out gold from the other side. Do you have such members?

All foreign reports say that no media was allowed at the site for weeks. Or is that a lie?

 

[Slog]

Opposition member made the statement in your parliament. If he was lying, was a breach of privilege motion brought against him?

Rahul Gandhi puts aloo in a machine and brings out gold from the other side. Do you have such members?

All foreign reports say that no media was allowed at the site for weeks. Or is that a lie?

That opposition member is a joke in front of Rahul Gandhi. He’s been known to give such political statements in past too which have turned out to be fake.

But the funny thing is you will take word of a random Pakistani parliamentarian you’ve never heard of because with suits yours agenda. But won’t take word of the leader of India’s second biggest party

As I said. Your mental gymnastics are fun to watch.

 

[Napa]

Pakistan's Army Chief of Staff General Qamar Javed Bajwa's call for movement towards cooperation

It would be very good if 2 of the 3 major South Asian countries (Bangladesh being the third) could improve relations with each other and even cooperate. However, as long as the current internal environment in these 2 countries continues, it will just be talk.

Yes, BJP does benefit from the current India-Pakistan low-level war, but it is a secondary platform for it. Its main platform is economic development, and it has been able to make some progress in reducing regulations that should boost the economy (like GST, farm laws etc). BJP may even see value in peace with Pakistan if it gives India an economic boost.

However, the current India-Pakistan low-level war is the raison d'être for the Pakistani military. It doesn't have anything to offer to the Pakistani public other than "we are here to protect you from India". It needs India to keep getting the best jobs, the best land, and the fancy lives its Generals have. When relations between India and Pakistan start improving, it will take action like the Kargil War.

Until the civilians suppress Army power in Pakistan, there will be no lasting peace. While Indians will benefit from peace, the benefit to the Pakistani civilians will be an order of magnitude larger.

 

[Bi_Jamalo]

It would be very good if 2 of the 3 major South Asian countries (Bangladesh being the third) could improve relations with each other and even cooperate. However, as long as the current internal environment in these 2 countries continues, it will just be talk.

Yes, BJP does benefit from the current India-Pakistan low-level war, but it is a secondary platform for it. Its main platform is economic development, and it has been able to make some progress in reducing regulations that should boost the economy (like GST, farm laws etc). BJP may even see value in peace with Pakistan if it gives India an economic boost.

However, the current India-Pakistan low-level war is the raison d'être for the Pakistani military. It doesn't have anything to offer to the Pakistani public other than "we are here to protect you from India". It needs India to keep getting the best jobs, the best land, and the fancy lives its Generals have. When relations between India and Pakistan start improving, it will take action like the Kargil War.

Until the civilians suppress Army power in Pakistan, there will be no lasting peace. While Indians will benefit from peace, the benefit to the Pakistani civilians will be an order of magnitude larger.

+1.

Good analysis.

 

[desirous of desire]

Opposition member made the statement in your parliament. If he was lying, was a breach of privilege motion brought against him?

Rahul Gandhi puts aloo in a machine and brings out gold from the other side. Do you have such members?

All foreign reports say that no media was allowed at the site for weeks. Or is that a lie?

"Agar rafale hota to yh sub na hota..."said none other than your prime minister (butcher of gujrat)
Also you wouldnt have to disappear from here in those days

 

[desirous of desire]

We dragged around 90k pakistanis for months. Your PM had to come on his knees to India and sign a peace treaty. You lost half the country.

Abhinandan chased out a group of F16s and then Pakistan had to release him because as your parliamentarian described, they were scared of retaliation.

The fake stories is a forte of pakistan. They refuse to acknowledge their dead soldiers in kargil. India had to bury their bodies. Thats the amount of honour they have.

Yeah we were not scared enough to go in Indian Occupied Kashmir's Airspace the very next day in broad daylight with your airforce in alarmed state because of our threats, wreaking havoc on your radars and downing your jet and ofcource what the villagers did with abhi None done.
But yeah we were scared to return him. Sounds logical only to a hindutva. Why have we not returned your spy(kalbushan yadov) then?

 

[Greenstorm]

This desire for peace will remain our weakness. Disappointing that IK and Bajwa can be this deluded.

Indians understand only one language, as was visible during 27th Feb.

 

[CRIC_FANtastic]

Yeah we were not scared enough to go in Indian Occupied Kashmir's Airspace the very next day in broad daylight with your airforce in alarmed state because of our threats, wreaking havoc on your radars and downing your jet and ofcource what the villagers did with abhi None done.
But yeah we were scared to return him. Sounds logical only to a hindutva. Why have we not returned your spy(kalbushan yadov) then?

Not surprised to see so much Hindu hate on this forum. And same people start crying thousand tears for islamophobia.

On topic, India has not done too bad even with not having access to this rout. And Pakistan's economy is in gutters even with such great Geo strategic location. We still have access to Shipping channels, and with some luck, we will have alternate routs through Iran and Afgan.

 

[Napa]

+1.

Good analysis.

Thank you. Hoping for a better future for both countries.

 

[cricketjoshila]

This desire for peace will remain our weakness. Disappointing that IK and Bajwa can be this deluded.

Indians understand only one language, as was visible during 27th Feb.

Desire for peace. By supporting Terrorists in Kashmir.

 

[Greenstorm]

Desire for peace. By supporting Terrorists in Kashmir.

And by not returning the favour after catching Kulbhushans.

We need hawks at the top to deal with Indians. Until then, you can proudly thump your chest on Pakistani forums.

 

[cricketjoshila]

And by not returning the favour after catching Kulbhushans.

We need hawks at the top to deal with Indians. Until then, you can proudly thump your chest on Pakistani forums.

Lol. As if anyone in India is going to afraid.

 

[cricketjoshila]

And by not returning the favour after catching Kulbhushans.

We need hawks at the top to deal with Indians. Until then, you can proudly thump your chest on Pakistani forums.

How many UN sanctioned terrorists live in pakistan?

 

[Greenstorm]

Lol. As if anyone in India is going to afraid.

LOL all you want now joshilay but I remember you weren't lolling on 27th feb.

 

[Greenstorm]

How many UN sanctioned terrorists live in pakistan?

Ask Bollywood.

 

[cricketjoshila]

LOL all you want now joshilay but I remember you weren't lolling on 27th feb.

I was. As i knew Abhinandan will return safe and sound and he did within 72 hrs.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Ask Bollywood.

Ask why you are on the FATF grey list.

 

[Greenstorm]

I was. As i knew Abhinandan will return safe and sound and he did within 72 hrs.

Nah, you were busy calculating whether Pakistani missiles will hit your home in Bengal or not.

 

[Bi_Jamalo]

Not surprised to see so much Hindu hate on this forum. And same people start crying thousand tears for islamophobia.

On topic, India has not done too bad even with not having access to this rout. And Pakistan's economy is in gutters even with such great Geo strategic location. We still have access to Shipping channels, and with some luck, we will have alternate routs through Iran and Afgan.

How? Are you planning some secret tunnel through Pakistan?

Believe it or not, there is not much Hinduphobia in Pakistan (despite all what goes on in media etc). Many Pakistanis do realise that we ve same roots as Indians living on the other side of the border. Many of our cultural traits, customs, food and language are indian in origin. Though pakistani people do believe that there is a default hatred and rejection for them amongst Indians. Which does leave us some what surprised.

 

[SpiritOf1903]

No wonder you support terrorist acts. This is the very reason India should stay away from Pakistan.

Pakistan will keep on begging for money for bailouts and your PMs will keep chauffering Arabs to get some money.

Dont worry about us. We can take care of ourselves. Worry about where pakistan will get the next dole from.

Move on? The day pakistan realizes that it cannot take kashmir nor its support to a terrorist secessionist movement is going to achieve anything, we can talk about moving on.

Till then India should stay away.

A sad but harsh reality.

 

[Slog]

Lol I always find it funny when indians act like they have some booming economy lol. Look at the size of your population and then look at per capita stats and the poverty rates...

 

[cricketjoshila]

Lol I always find it funny when indians act like they have some booming economy lol. Look at the size of your population and then look at per capita stats and the poverty rates...

Indians do have a booming economy. Go check IMF predictions. Go compare the per capita income of both countries.

The last thing we need is lessons and help in economy from Pakistan.

 

[ahsan17]

Indians do have a booming economy. Go check IMF predictions. Go compare the per capita income of both countries.

The last thing we need is lessons and help in economy from Pakistan.

And yet India has far more poverty, even as a percent of population..

 

[ahsan17]

I do find it interesting how Indians can spin the events of Feb 27 as a victory for India, when it is globally known as an embarrassment for their country. I have not seen any other country spin literally anything into a positive, any country except India.

 

[ahsan17]

Ask why you are on the FATF grey list.

You still have no idea what FATF grey list, lol.

 

[ahsan17]

"Agar rafale hota to yh sub na hota..."said none other than your prime minister (butcher of gujrat)
Also you wouldnt have to disappear from here in those days

He will never have answer to this. This alone should put him to embarassment. )

 

[cricketjoshila]

And yet India has far more poverty, even as a percent of population..

Because pakistani numbers are not clear. Pakistan doesn't hold census at regular intervals like India does.

 

[cricketjoshila]

You still have no idea what FATF grey list, lol.

Its a list pakistan desperately wants to get out of.

 

[ahsan17]

Because pakistani numbers are not clear. Pakistan doesn't hold census at regular intervals like India does.

Poverty is determined by census? i guess you found a new way of finding poverty numbers that no one has heard of.

P.S. Pakistan did census like 2 or 3 years ago, lol.

Its a list pakistan desperately wants to get out of.

See, no idea what FATF grey list is. Only trying to make cheeky remarks, lol.

 

[pakistan cricket fan]

Oh those cringy headlines by our media. 'Darr gaya Pakistan', 'Pakistan ne bharat ke aage ghutne teke, Abhinandan ki hogi bharat wapsi'.

agreed I dont even like Pakistani media but Indian media is on another level off rubishness.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Poverty is determined by census? i guess you found a new way of finding poverty numbers that no one has heard of.

P.S. Pakistan did census like 2 or 3 years ago, lol.


See, no idea what FATF grey list is. Only trying to make cheeky remarks, lol.

How do you get the numbers to determine the poverty numbers? Population etc?

PS: pakistan did a census after 19 years.

Isnt Sindh government claiming that they misrepresented the population of sindh?

Pakistan's povery is increasing due to low gdp growth and high inflation.

https://www.google.co.in/amp/s/tribune.com.pk/story/2115274/millions-fall-poverty-line?amp=1

Around 6 percent of India's population is below poverty line.

https://worldpoverty.io/headline




What are the latest figures from pakistan?

According to UNDP covid 19 may push 40 per of pakistan's population into poverty.

https://www.undp.org/content/undp/e...andemic_could_push_millions_into_poverty.html

 

[Slog]

Indians do have a booming economy. Go check IMF predictions. Go compare the per capita income of both countries.

The last thing we need is lessons and help in economy from Pakistan.

Look at the poverty rates in your country and then come back

 

[IndoorCricket]

Look at the poverty rates in your country and then come back

I did a google search and the percentage of people below poverty line is 6.7% in 2019. No one should be a below poverty line but I think India are on the right track to eliminate poverty given it has lifted 273 million people out of poverty in 10 years.

Anyways how does China views peace between India and Pakistan. Given the close ties between Pakistan and China. Will China be ok with establishing peace between these two countries?

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

Look at the poverty rates in your country and then come back

Come on. Your country has taken its record breaking 13th IMF loan.
You are importing Wheat at record amount which once you used to export... I am from Punjab region and whole soil of Punjab is one of the best in the world for Wheat Production.

Come back when you don't have to rely on IMF loans.. and Import Food for your people.

 

[Slog]

Come on. Your country has taken its record breaking 13th IMF loan.
You are importing Wheat at record amount which once you used to export... I am from Punjab region and whole soil of Punjab is one of the best in the world for Wheat Production.

Come back when you don't have to rely on IMF loans.. and Import Food for your people.

Lol at the whataboutism. Pakistan kahan se agaya? Do you struggle to understand the topic and context?

Indians: India is a booming economy.

Also Indians: Let’s compare our economy to Pakistan though and not other booming economies.

If you indeed have a booming economy compare it to China not the Pakistani economy which you deem to be struggling anyway.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Look at the poverty rates in your country and then come back

https://www.undp.org/content/undp/e...andemic_could_push_millions_into_poverty.html

Look at pakistan and then talk.

Your country is living by taking bailouts.

Pakistan should be the last one to talk about poverty and economy.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Lol at the whataboutism. Pakistan kahan se agaya? Do you struggle to understand the topic and context?

Indians: India is a booming economy.

Also Indians: Let’s compare our economy to Pakistan though and not other booming economies.

If you indeed have a booming economy compare it to China not the Pakistani economy which you deem to be struggling anyway.

You are a Pakistani. You made fun of Indian economy. Now when shown the mirror you hide behind China.

Is Pakistan a Chinese province?

 

[Slog]

You are a Pakistani. You made fun of Indian economy. Now when shown the mirror you hide behind China.

Is Pakistan a Chinese province?

This is the stupidest logic ever even for you and that is saying something considering your history of mental gymnastics.

That way none of us can talk about any topic ever because both India and Pakistan fall in the bottom of most human development and economic metrics at a per capita level.

But I guess you can feel a bit happy about the state of your country by comparing it to one 5 times smaller and facing several issues because comparing it to a relevant country would show your place.

Also I didn’t make fun of India. I literally pointed a fact that if you look at per capita metrics; India falls really low but Indians talk like they have a booming economy comparable to the first world. I’m sorry that pointing out the truth made you throw your toys out of the pram and have such a meltdown but I can’t change the facts or the truth To make you feel better.

 

[Bi_Jamalo]

This is the stupidest logic ever even for you and that is saying something considering your history of mental gymnastics.

That way none of us can talk about any topic ever because both India and Pakistan fall in the bottom of most human development and economic metrics at a per capita level.

But I guess you can feel a bit happy about the state of your country by comparing it to one 5 times smaller and facing several issues because comparing it to a relevant country would show your place.

Also I didn’t make fun of India. I literally pointed a fact that if you look at per capita metrics; India falls really low but Indians talk like they have a booming economy comparable to the first world. I’m sorry that pointing out the truth made you throw your toys out of the pram and have such a meltdown but I can’t change the facts or the truth To make you feel better.

+1
Inflated ego of indians need to get addressed. In their fantasy world Some of them are convinced that india is some kind of world power and a leading country. Which it is not..

 

[Lego20]

+1
Inflated ego of indians need to get addressed. In their fantasy world Some of them are convinced that india is some kind of world power and a leading country. Which it is not..

Indians very well know their situation, trajectory and aspirations. We feel very positive about it. If our neighbors (who are obviously worse of) are trying to subdue this positivity or downplay the progress, you should expect a response and shown the mirror. That should not be misconstrued as ego or delusion. Its actually quite the opposite - absolving you of the same!

 

[Rafa]

But Modi will not accept the hand of friendship .

 

[cricketjoshila]

This is the stupidest logic ever even for you and that is saying something considering your history of mental gymnastics.

That way none of us can talk about any topic ever because both India and Pakistan fall in the bottom of most human development and economic metrics at a per capita level.

But I guess you can feel a bit happy about the state of your country by comparing it to one 5 times smaller and facing several issues because comparing it to a relevant country would show your place.

Also I didn’t make fun of India. I literally pointed a fact that if you look at per capita metrics; India falls really low but Indians talk like they have a booming economy comparable to the first world. I’m sorry that pointing out the truth made you throw your toys out of the pram and have such a meltdown but I can’t change the facts or the truth To make you feel better.

Stupidest logic is what some pakistanis did on this thread. The govt of India has neither asked Pakistan nor by any indication is going to ask pakistan for any help. When the same is said by Indians on this thread, pakistanis lose it and start bringing every other topic under the sun.

India is doing better than Pakistan on most metrics. India doesn't need Pakistan's help to grow economically. We are anyways doing well. If Pakistanis want to discuss metrics of Indian economy ofcourse comparison will be made with Pakistan because the Chinese have not started this debate.

 

[Slog]

Stupidest logic is what some pakistanis did on this thread. The govt of India has neither asked Pakistan nor by any indication is going to ask pakistan for any help. When the same is said by Indians on this thread, pakistanis lose it and start bringing every other topic under the sun.

India is doing better than Pakistan on most metrics. India doesn't need Pakistan's help to grow economically. We are anyways doing well. If Pakistanis want to discuss metrics of Indian economy ofcourse comparison will be made with Pakistan because the Chinese have not started this debate.

India is not doing well economically. The fact that Pakistan is doing worse is irrelevant to the discussion.

 

[cricketjoshila]

India is not doing well economically. The fact that Pakistan is doing worse is irrelevant to the discussion.

IMF projects a double digit growth for Indian GDP this year. Your opinion is irrelevant before that.

Pakistan is very relevant when pakistanis are involved in the discussion and point fingers.

 

[Bi_Jamalo]

Indians very well know their situation, trajectory and aspirations. We feel very positive about it. If our neighbors (who are obviously worse of) are trying to subdue this positivity or downplay the progress, you should expect a response and shown the mirror. That should not be misconstrued as ego or delusion. Its actually quite the opposite - absolving you of the same!

Your feelings are irrelevant to the discussion, so lets stick to the facts to stop chest thumping of Hinduvita brigade here:

1. Indias has one of the lowest “GDP per capita” (in 2020) and not much differ than pakistan. Even sub-saharan African countries are doing better than India. Source IMF
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)_per_capita

2. India has one of the highest poverty levels in the world.
https://povertydata.worldbank.org/poverty/country/IND

3. Indian economy and growth rate was negative and it actually shrank in 2020.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/263617/gross-domestic-product-gdp-growth-rate-in-india/

So obviously if you find yourself inside a ditch, any “prospect” of coming out of it will look positive.


The thing is, due to India’s huge population the absolute numbers of anything look amplified, which is what people like you use to deceive others. But all of that gimmickery does not change the ground reality for millions of indians.

Still feeling good?

 

[Bi_Jamalo]

IMF projects a double digit growth for Indian GDP this year. Your opinion is irrelevant before that.

Pakistan is very relevant when pakistanis are involved in the discussion and point fingers.

Since india shrank by -10 % in 2020, ofcourse everything will look rosy from that point.

Thing is that you live in a ‘glass house’ and are often found here on a Pakistani forum, throwing stones at others. Itni baar apni be-ijjati karwanay k baad bhi, phir wohi hollow chest thumping.

 

[Slog]

IMF projects a double digit growth for Indian GDP this year. Your opinion is irrelevant before that.

Pakistan is very relevant when pakistanis are involved in the discussion and point fingers.

There’s no pointing fingers. There’s only relaying of facts like Indian economy shrinking by almost 25% a few quarters ago

 

[ahsan17]

There’s no pointing fingers. There’s only relaying of facts like Indian economy shrinking by almost 25% a few quarters ago

Most Indians will admit their economy is in shambles. Only bakhts will never admit that, or at least not in front of non-Indians. Saying anything not positive about India in front of non-Indians seems to be akin to blasphemy for bakhts.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

IMF projects a double digit growth for Indian GDP this year. Your opinion is irrelevant before that.

Pakistan is very relevant when pakistanis are involved in the discussion and point fingers.

Regardless of India's economic situation, what is the logic of not taking advantage of routes through central Asia via Pakistan?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Since india shrank by -10 % in 2020, ofcourse everything will look rosy from that point.

Thing is that you live in a ‘glass house’ and are often found here on a Pakistani forum, throwing stones at others. Itni baar apni be-ijjati karwanay k baad bhi, phir wohi hollow chest thumping.

Most major economies saw their GDP shrink in 2020. India's gdp according to imf will grow @ 11.5%.

What will be pakistan's growth?

Pakistan survives on dole outs.

Have some shame and stop talking about countries whe pakistan has to beg for dole outs to survive.

 

[cricketjoshila]

There’s no pointing fingers. There’s only relaying of facts like Indian economy shrinking by almost 25% a few quarters ago

Most major economies shrank due to covid. India is going to make one of the fastest recoveries.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Most Indians will admit their economy is in shambles. Only bakhts will never admit that, or at least not in front of non-Indians. Saying anything not positive about India in front of non-Indians seems to be akin to blasphemy for bakhts.

Who cares if you have anything positive to say? Imran rants on twitter on a regular basis about India? What difference has it made?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Regardless of India's economic situation, what is the logic of not taking advantage of routes through central Asia via Pakistan?

Not handing pakistan any strategic leverage over India.

The safer route is via Iran.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Not handing pakistan any strategic leverage over India.

The safer route is via Iran.

If India was to pursue friendly relations with Pakistan, it could use it's own strategic leverage, same as it has with Bangladesh. You are making Pakistan sound a lot more powerful than it is surely? In a two way relationship, shouldn't India be the country with the whip hand?

 

[Bi_Jamalo]

Not handing pakistan any strategic leverage over India.

The safer route is via Iran.

Strategic leverage to Pakistan? How?

Indian is geographically located in an “inferior” position to Pakistan. Other than China, none of India’s land-borders are of any interest to Pak (from economic pov). As for China we already ve a land border and CPEC.

On the other hand India needs pakistan for any land access to West, central Asia and Europe. Also Pakistan being the 5th/6th most populous country in the world, is a big market for Indian products. Just take Bollywood movies for an example. Similarly there are many other business opportunities due to the common culture and language sphere.

All of this may be too difficult for you to comprehend. So there isn’t much point.

 

[Bi_Jamalo]

Most major economies saw their GDP shrink in 2020. India's gdp according to imf will grow @ 11.5%.

What will be pakistan's growth?

Pakistan survives on dole outs.

Have some shame and stop talking about countries whe pakistan has to beg for dole outs to survive.

No one here is bolstering about Pakistans greatness. Its you, who are chest thumping about India and when shown the mirror, is trying to escape with what-aboutism.

Who cares what you think about India’s greatness and we can’t really help you with your inferiority complex.

The point of this thread is, whether peace in sub-continent is beneficial for both India and Pakistan and you ve every right to disagree with that due to your lopsided view of the world.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

Strategic leverage to Pakistan? How?

Indian is geographically located in an “inferior” position to Pakistan. Other than China, none of India’s land-borders are of any interest to Pak (from economic pov). As for China we already ve a land border and CPEC.

On the other hand India needs pakistan for any land access to West, central Asia and Europe. Also Pakistan being the 5th/6th most populous country in the world, is a big market for Indian products. Just take Bollywood movies for an example. Similarly there are many other business opportunities due to the common culture and language sphere.

All of this may be too difficult for you to comprehend. So there isn’t much point.

Pakistan may have strategically important location, it has not been able to leverage it completely.
Also, for India it is like a real estate investment. It may be the best built house which serves all the needs, but if it is in the dodgiest of suburbs where burglaries happen every day, and criminals run the area, it is a bad investment.
Same as relying on Pakistan for the access routes to Central Asia. Just not worth it.
Also, You are forgetting that India has access to Central Asia via Ocean route and air routes as well.
So, Please keep your location to yourself. We will manage, as we have been doing it till now.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Pakistan may have strategically important location, it has not been able to leverage it completely.
Also, for India it is like a real estate investment. It may be the best built house which serves all the needs, but if it is in the dodgiest of suburbs where burglaries happen every day, and criminals run the area, it is a bad investment.
Same as relying on Pakistan for the access routes to Central Asia. Just not worth it.
Also, You are forgetting that India has access to Central Asia via Ocean route and air routes as well.
So, Please keep your location to yourself. We will manage, as we have been doing it till now.

Are you saying India would be too weak to have any leverage of their own in a two way relationship? Don't they control the water coming into Pakistan?

 

[Bi_Jamalo]

Pakistan may have strategically important location, it has not been able to leverage it completely.
Also, for India it is like a real estate investment. It may be the best built house which serves all the needs, but if it is in the dodgiest of suburbs where burglaries happen every day, and criminals run the area, it is a bad investment.
Same as relying on Pakistan for the access routes to Central Asia. Just not worth it.
Also, You are forgetting that India has access to Central Asia via Ocean route and air routes as well.
So, Please keep your location to yourself. We will manage, as we have been doing it till now.

We are keeping our location to ourselves, its india who has in past asked Pakistan to provide a land route for trade to Afghanistan and oil/Gas pipeline to Iran.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/indi...n-clarifies/story-NkXuVJV6yXlCCDnmf3YI5J.html

https://energy.economictimes.indiat...dia-gas-pipeline-parliamentary-panel/57725094

As for alternative to Land route via ocean, of-course it exists but also has to cross near Pakistans territorial waters and is much more expensive and slower than the land routes. This is one of the reasons why China is running cross continental freight trains to europe and heavily investing in land routes like CPEC.

Until and unless India realizes it true place in todays world and start behaving in a sensible way, it will remain confined to an unimportant corner of Asia and limited to low level contract manufacturing for western countries.

 

[Napa]

Most Indians will admit their economy is in shambles. Only bakhts will never admit that, or at least not in front of non-Indians. Saying anything not positive about India in front of non-Indians seems to be akin to blasphemy for bakhts.

"Most Indians" do not think their economy is in a shambles. They don't have reason to. The current government has made progress in reducing regulations and government control of the economy, which has had a positive impact.



https://www.livemint.com/news/india...h-forecast-to-12-for-2021-11616082021410.html

 

[cricketjoshila]

If India was to pursue friendly relations with Pakistan, it could use it's own strategic leverage, same as it has with Bangladesh. You are making Pakistan sound a lot more powerful than it is surely? In a two way relationship, shouldn't India be the country with the whip hand?

But when there is a viable alternative why bother.

If Pakistan stops trade via its territory tommorow due any issue,India then loses out. So its better to go through a safer alternative.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Are you saying India would be too weak to have any leverage of their own in a two way relationship? Don't they control the water coming into Pakistan?

They do control the water but stopping it will require years of infrastructure building like dams reservoirs etc. While stopping a trade route via territory will require a few hours.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

But when there is a viable alternative why bother.

If Pakistan stops trade via its territory tommorow due any issue,India then loses out. So its better to go through a safer alternative.

You are talking as if India has no leverage in any bi-trade agreement. They control the water coming into Pakistan. They could lock Pakistan into a watertight agreement that there could be no interference with trade routes down the line without serious consequences. I think we know the real reason why India won't allow trade routes through Pakistan but you are dancing around it because you don't want to admit publicly.

 

[Local.Dada]

Indian government’s attitude towards Pakistan is basically that it adds nothing but nuisance value unfortunately.

Indian government will require Pakistan to

1.Hand over Kulbhushan

2.Hand over Dawood

3.Drop Kashmir discussion (the Indian side) and then May be sit for talks on Kashmir with regards to the Pakistan side.

4.Handover/ punish world designated terrorists who are seeking refuge in Pakistan

Apart from that, there isn’t much to gain or lose trading with Pakistan which despite having a lot of resources and potential has nothing to offer these days, unfortunately.

Before this touches the nerve for a few folk, you need to ask your government or army why this the case instead of scoring points on the internet.

There has been very minimal cultural,political and trade interaction with Pakistan for almost half a decade now and it has only been decreasing but still India has only gone from strength to Strength relatively speaking and Pakistan unfortunately finds itself in grey lists and other such non-flattering lists.

I am not saying Pakistan army/govt will just roll over and give India all these things they want. Of course they will play hardball. All I am saying is unless those 4 things happen, there will not be total peace. In fact I bet there will be a couple more in between that will pop up in those points , before we even get started on peace talks. Onus lies on Pakistan.

This isn’t from a perspective of what the common man wants or doesn’t want from India or Pakistan but that’s what it will take for total peace.

As we can see on this forum, people don’t have a problem interacting and we have so many things in common but about time someone acknowledges that Pakistan has failed in its India policy and it is Pakistan that needs to take steps to fix it.

 

[Bi_Jamalo]

Indian government’s attitude towards Pakistan is basically that it adds nothing but nuisance value unfortunately.

Indian government will require Pakistan to

1.Hand over Kulbhushan

2.Hand over Dawood

3.Drop Kashmir discussion (the Indian side) and then May be sit for talks on Kashmir with regards to the Pakistan side.

4.Handover/ punish world designated terrorists who are seeking refuge in Pakistan

Apart from that, there isn’t much to gain or lose trading with Pakistan which despite having a lot of resources and potential has nothing to offer these days, unfortunately.

Before this touches the nerve for a few folk, you need to ask your government or army why this the case instead of scoring points on the internet.

There has been very minimal cultural,political and trade interaction with Pakistan for almost half a decade now and it has only been decreasing but still India has only gone from strength to Strength relatively speaking and Pakistan unfortunately finds itself in grey lists and other such non-flattering lists.

I am not saying Pakistan army/govt will just roll over and give India all these things they want. Of course they will play hardball. All I am saying is unless those 4 things happen, there will not be total peace. In fact I bet there will be a couple more in between that will pop up in those points , before we even get started on peace talks. Onus lies on Pakistan.

This isn’t from a perspective of what the common man wants or doesn’t want from India or Pakistan but that’s what it will take for total peace.

As we can see on this forum, people don’t have a problem interacting and we have so many things in common but about time someone acknowledges that Pakistan has failed in its India policy and it is Pakistan that needs to take steps to fix it.

Some of your points are valid and others not so much.

Indeed Pakistan is hindered in utilizing its full potential due to the long army rule (behind the scenes or openly), it doesn’t serve the best interest of common people.

On the other hand all these allegations thrown at Pakistan abt initiating terror activities in India, hosting Dawood Ibrahim etc are a bit meaningless when India is and unable to provide any solid proof when asked. This is not in the best interest of India either.

As for Kalbhushan, why was he sent over to Pakistan in first place? Isnt this exactly what you are accusing Pakistan of?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Indian government’s attitude towards Pakistan is basically that it adds nothing but nuisance value unfortunately.

Indian government will require Pakistan to

1.Hand over Kulbhushan

2.Hand over Dawood

3.Drop Kashmir discussion (the Indian side) and then May be sit for talks on Kashmir with regards to the Pakistan side.

4.Handover/ punish world designated terrorists who are seeking refuge in Pakistan

Apart from that, there isn’t much to gain or lose trading with Pakistan which despite having a lot of resources and potential has nothing to offer these days, unfortunately.

Before this touches the nerve for a few folk, you need to ask your government or army why this the case instead of scoring points on the internet.

There has been very minimal cultural,political and trade interaction with Pakistan for almost half a decade now and it has only been decreasing but still India has only gone from strength to Strength relatively speaking and Pakistan unfortunately finds itself in grey lists and other such non-flattering lists.

I am not saying Pakistan army/govt will just roll over and give India all these things they want. Of course they will play hardball. All I am saying is unless those 4 things happen, there will not be total peace. In fact I bet there will be a couple more in between that will pop up in those points , before we even get started on peace talks. Onus lies on Pakistan.

This isn’t from a perspective of what the common man wants or doesn’t want from India or Pakistan but that’s what it will take for total peace.

As we can see on this forum, people don’t have a problem interacting and we have so many things in common but about time someone acknowledges that Pakistan has failed in its India policy and it is Pakistan that needs to take steps to fix it.

You left out a small detail in that post, and that is India's current ruling party has a longstanding enmity towards Pakistan, and for a long time believed it should not even exist. Even now I am pretty sure a lot of Modi's cabinet members still believe this, and he himself does as well.

How Pakistan can take steps to fix that core belief is hard to envision.