[PICTURE] Babar Azam's ridiculous LBW decision - Mockery of cricket?

[MenInG]

Incredible

I know that is not the rule but you cannot have decisions like these in this day and age.

ANY wrong decision needs to be reversed regardless of how many reviews are left or not.

ICC needs to act.

 

[AlizeeFan]

Why didn't he review it?

 

[zain7077]

Incredible

I know that is not the rule but you cannot have decisions like these in this day and age.

ANY wrong decision needs to be reversed regardless of how many reviews are left or not.

ICC needs to act.




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Ridiculous, lost our best batsman to a disgusting decision. Pak would have won as both Babar and Fakhar score at a good modern day clip and it would have allowed malik and hafeez to come in when the ball was older

 

[zain7077]

Why didn't he review it?

Azhar wasted it

 

[Proactive_]

I think it's a bigger mockery of cricket to be using reviews for plumb decisions. Players got to understand that reviews are a privilege, not a right. Reviews are for howlers like the one pointed out here, not for anything else, except maybe the time when the player in question is the last recognized batsman in which case the team has nothing to lose.

 

[Varun]

Azhar wasted it

Do teams have only 1 review these days in ODI?

 

[ammar_merry]

i think this is the same umpire who did not gave rohit sharma plumb first ball in asia cup t20 2016.
gave it 2nd time though

 

[usam wani]

Why didn't he review it?

Because Selfish DON azhar had already wasted the only review.

 

[MenInG]

Azhar wasted it

Its not Azhar' fault that the umpire took a blatantly incompetent decision.

 

[MenInG]

I think it's a bigger mockery of cricket to be using reviews for plumb decisions. Players got to understand that reviews are a privilege, not a right. Reviews are for howlers like the one pointed out here, not for anything else, except maybe the time when the player in question is the last recognized batsman in which case the team has nothing to lose.

yes fine them.

 

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Really poor decision to give Babar Azam out lbw <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NZvPAK?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NZvPAK</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a> <a href="https://t.co/mOnrIIfFFk">pic.twitter.com/mOnrIIfFFk</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/949595513111957505?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 6, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[Proactive_]

yes fine them.

Especially with the umpires call grace being given today, it's even more unjustifiable to be taking a review on a plumb decision. Maybe people have started trying their luck thinking they might retain the review regardless but definitely it's not the right approach.

 

[ExpressPacer]

Move on. We've had a lot of false decisions go in our way as well in the past so I don't think this is anything unfair. Similar to pitches and conditions, neutral umpires - good or bad - are the same umpires for both teams.

 

[in_cutter]

Its not Azhar' fault that the umpire took a blatantly incompetent decision.

If it was not for Azhar’s selfishness, Babar would have had the decision overturned.

 

[TheInaudibleParadox]

Azhar's fault. Stop using reviews for a plumb LBW.

 

[MenInG]

Azhar's fault. Stop using reviews for a plumb LBW.

Missing the point

Its about the RIGHT decision being made and DRS System is flawed in that way

 

[Jonty]

Missing the point

Its about the RIGHT decision being made and DRS System is flawed in that way

Agree. If it’s that obvious they should overturn the decision anyway. Why do umpires tell the batsman to stop so they can check the front foot no ball? Same principle. It’s stupid

 

[zain7077]

Do teams have only 1 review these days in ODI?

Yes

 

[Sidilicious]

Missing the point

Its about the RIGHT decision being made and DRS System is flawed in that way

You cannot review every decision. Until we get computing to such standards, that every delivery is automatically reviewed and a decision can be made within a fraction of a second after the play, we will never get to reviewing every decision.

Up until then, we have a perfectly fine working solution in DRS, where a player is supposed to only review decisions thats are howlers. You need to blame Azhar and not the system.

 

[Major]

Incredible

I know that is not the rule but you cannot have decisions like these in this day and age.

ANY wrong decision needs to be reversed regardless of how many reviews are left or not.

ICC needs to act.


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you can't complain regarding this

This has been said ever since DRS came in to being that every decision cannot be reviewed. Problem is technology takes time. It takes time for a reply footage to be made. It takes furthur time to process the hawk eye image and the heat visions.

In cricket, time is limited. WHen a decision is being reviewed, alot of minutes are wasted. Which is why every decision cannot be reviewed.

Thing is simple, have limited referrals.

ALso, for those blaming Azhar ALi, players should have the confidence of taking up a referral. There is nothing wrong if a referral gets wasted.
For those who are whining about referrals being wasted go watch the Ashes, look what England ended up doing.

 

[Red Devil]

Do teams have only 1 review these days in ODI?

Yeah, and I find that quite ridiculous tbh. What's the point of even having the DRS if you're only going to allow one review in 50 overseas? It's shocking how incompetent the ICC is.

 

[Sidilicious]

Yeah, and I find that quite ridiculous tbh. What's the point of even having the DRS if you're only going to allow one review in 50 overseas? It's shocking how incompetent the ICC is.

Nah, 1 is the ideal number of referrals for an ODI, especially when you do not lose if its an umpire's call.

These reviews are for howlers like Babar Azam's decision, and not for possibly marginal decisions like that of Azhar Ali. Azhar Ali took the review for what he thought was a marginal decision (which in the end it was not even marginal, since it was not even umpire's call).

The batsmen need to get this in their head, that they can't review non howlers.
1. If its a marginal decision, and is an umpire's call, you are already out. Review doesn't overturn an umpire's call.
2. If its out, but not even umpire's call, then its not even marginal decision. You also lose a review.
3. If its a howler - batsman knows he has nicked it for an LBW, or batsman knows he has not nicked it for an catch and if its too high for an LBW, then its a howler. And thats when the reviews should be used.

 

[hadi123]

It wasn't a great decision and not the first time Azam has been given out incorrectly but unable to review. I remember it happening in the 1st ODI against England where Sharjeel reviewed something even though he clearly was out caught behind.

But I disagree with posters saying DRS is wrong in this way, it's not. It's the players decision to make right calls. If you have unlimited reviews then anything will be reviewed which disrupts the flow of the game. Azhar Ali shouldn't have reviewed it, although I was surprised it wasn't umpire's call. As for the actual umpiring decision, not great but we all make mistakes, tbf he was far back so maybe the umpire thought not much distance for the ball to travel.

 

[Greenstorm]

you can't complain regarding this

This has been said ever since DRS came in to being that every decision cannot be reviewed. Problem is technology takes time. It takes time for a reply footage to be made. It takes furthur time to process the hawk eye image and the heat visions.

In cricket, time is limited. WHen a decision is being reviewed, alot of minutes are wasted. Which is why every decision cannot be reviewed.

Thing is simple, have limited referrals.

ALso, for those blaming Azhar ALi, players should have the confidence of taking up a referral. There is nothing wrong if a referral gets wasted.
For those who are whining about referrals being wasted go watch the Ashes, look what England ended up doing.

Azhar Ali should not have reviewed that. What England or someone else is doing do not matter.

 

[Fahdi]

Having too many reviews is just not feasible. But 1 review per inning is simply too few. The standard should be 3 for tests, 2 for ODIs and 1 for T20. Even then though blunders will happen we just have to live with it.

 

[Major]

Azhar Ali should not have reviewed that. What England or someone else is doing do not matter.

went over your head.

watch the ashes, you will understand.

 

[Abdullah719]

ALso, for those blaming Azhar ALi, players should have the confidence of taking up a referral. There is nothing wrong if a referral gets wasted.
For those who are whining about referrals being wasted go watch the Ashes, look what England ended up doing.

Referrals are not meant to be a lottery system.

You're not supposed to be thinking 'oh well let me have a go at the review and I might be not out'.

It's supposed to be used where there's some level of doubt about the decision. No one thought at the time that it was a wrong decision so reviewing it was foolish.

It will take time but teams will eventually come around to the realisation of using it when needed, rather than on a whim.

 

[Saj]

I thought both umpires were pretty poor really in the 1st ODI.

Some questionable wides, time-wasting tactics also by NZ when they were batting which were ignored and messing around with the bails which seemed to take an age to sort out.

 

[dhump]

use DRS for absolute blunders and don't waste it on marginal calls.

Umpires are human and they make mistakes DRS should be used to get rid of such decisions.

 

[Kaka4pope]

Poor review from Azhar, wasn’t even umpires call - has kinda deflected from how bad Babar’s decision was, bit of a howler - but then again,so was Azhar’s review.

 

[Syed1]

This Sri Lankan umpire has done us dirty plenty of times before. A thoroughly mediocre umpire but what else you expect from ICC.

His garbage umpiring was further exacerbated when Bobby couldn't even review due to the selfishness of acha bacha Azhar Ali.

 

[Syed1]

use DRS for absolute blunders and don't waste it on marginal calls.

Umpires are human and they make mistakes DRS should be used to get rid of such decisions.

Even Martin Guptill at point was gesturing to his teammates don't review this it's too high (while his teammates were appealing) and when the decision was given he had his hand on his mouth in shock and embarrassment.


When a fielder who is so far from the action can see it is the ump blind or what? One of the worst decisions I've ever seen.

 

[srh]

I think it's a bigger mockery of cricket to be using reviews for plumb decisions. Players got to understand that reviews are a privilege, not a right. Reviews are for howlers like the one pointed out here, not for anything else, except maybe the time when the player in question is the last recognized batsman in which case the team has nothing to lose.

This. May be captain need to have authority to reject a review request by his batsman?

 

[Major]

Referrals are not meant to be a lottery system.

You're not supposed to be thinking 'oh well let me have a go at the review and I might be not out'.

It's supposed to be used where there's some level of doubt about the decision. No one thought at the time that it was a wrong decision so reviewing it was foolish.

It will take time but teams will eventually come around to the realisation of using it when needed, rather than on a whim.

If its a plumb decision then obviously it shouldn't be used. But if there is doubt, go for it.

I keep saying go watch the Ashes, because England wasted their 2 wickets due to bad decisions. THey didnt review due to doubts and stuff like that.

SOmetimes, its good to be selfish. Azhar did nothing wrong.

 

[Abdullah719]

If its a plumb decision then obviously it shouldn't be used. But if there is doubt, go for it.

I keep saying go watch the Ashes, because England wasted their 2 wickets due to bad decisions. THey didnt review due to doubts and stuff like that.

SOmetimes, its good to be selfish. Azhar did nothing wrong.

By this logic, every batsman has the right to use DRS for every decision. It won't work like this.

 

[Hasan123]

Pathetic decision by the umpire.

 

[world cup captain]

I really don't see any reasoning for backing Azhar for what he did. On top of that, the umpire was a dud.

 

[Ozeirk]

Bad umpiring decision against Babar Azam

The decision couldn’t have come at a worst time as Pakistan was playing its first match of the series on foreign conditions. In the first over the umpire hands them a gift of sending off their best odi player who has done amazingly well in these conditions in the past.

Pakistan was not able to recover from the two wickets falling early in the game as our top order has been instrumental in our successes in the past few Odis going up till the champions trophy. As always Shoaib and Hafeez succumbed to the early pressure and only perform if the top order provides them a platform. I do believe however after watching Fakhar, faheem and Shadab bat that if the top order can get 50 odd runs on the board in the first 9 to 10 overs, Pakistan has the fire power and skill to chase down or set a big score on these small New Zealand grounds.

There were a lot of positives to come out of the first game and I see this to be an interesting well fought out series.

 

[navin]

Don't mess with BCCICC

 

[shaaik]

i think this is the same umpire who did not gave rohit sharma plumb first ball in asia cup t20 2016.
gave it 2nd time though

He’s as ridiculous umpire as they come.

 

[HitWicket]

If its a plumb decision then obviously it shouldn't be used. But if there is doubt, go for it.

I keep saying go watch the Ashes, because England wasted their 2 wickets due to bad decisions. THey didnt review due to doubts and stuff like that.

SOmetimes, its good to be selfish. Azhar did nothing wrong.

Bit different when you don't review because you quite literally didn't feel an edge. That's not really doubt.

 

[CricFan2012]

Remove umpires and use tech for crying out loud, umpires makes mistakes, tech will rarely do so, if ever, 99% correct

 

[Shutdown Corner]

Its not Azhar' fault that the umpire took a blatantly incompetent decision.

Didn't watch the match, but unless Azhar's decision was a howler he shouldn't have reviewed. He knows there is only 1 in the bag. In Tests you get a second chance but not in LOI. There is no guarantee the next decision will be the right one.

I've seen Tamim Iqbal waste reviews on plumb calls on many occaisions. Its a selfish and stupid thing to do 99% unless you are damn sure you are not out.

Reviews were originally meant for howlers, not marginal umpire's calls.

 

[waleed88]

Mockery of his batting technique

 

[waleed88]

To the naked eye it looked out as Babar was on his back foot, this decision doesn't excuse how sorry Babar a batsman is first up facing a quality attack, who knows how to target his stumps as he is a genuine lbw candidate first up in the innings.. don't let the no.5 ranking fool you..

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

Its not Azhar' fault that the umpire took a blatantly incompetent decision.

No but it is Azhar’s fault for taking a review when he was dead set plumb. He has a history doing so when his place is in question.

In that epic Sharjah Test, Azhar probably commited the most selfish review in the first innings. He edged a ball to slips of a spinner and reviewed it. That’s insane

 

[MenInG]

No but it is Azhar’s fault for taking a review when he was dead set plumb. He has a history doing so when his place is in question.

In that epic Sharjah Test, Azhar probably commited the most selfish review in the first innings. He edged a ball to slips of a spinner and reviewed it. That’s insane

My point is not how smartly someone or a team uses a rule - I am talking about the idea that a batsmen is given JUST because there are no reviews left.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Azhar's decision to use DRS was worse than the umpire's.

 

[Sidilicious]

My point is not how smartly someone or a team uses a rule - I am talking about the idea that a batsmen is given JUST because there are no reviews left.

What other solution do you propose? Third umpire to review every out decision? Then why not do so for every decision whether out or not out?

What Azhar did was akin to running his teammate out. Azhar's decision will bear consequences for the rest of the team. Thats how team sports go.

 

[MenInG]

What other solution do you propose? Third umpire to review every out decision? Then why not do so for every decision whether out or not out?

What Azhar did was akin to running his teammate out. Azhar's decision will bear consequences for the rest of the team. Thats how team sports go.

run out cannot be the same as this.

the 3rd umpire can easily review the basics of the decision as the batsman is walking as in was the ball hitting the stumps or not. Then its a simple case of alerting on field ump to hold the player for a more detailed review.

Everyone would be happy with this.

 

[daytrader]

Umpires are dictating the game. Can't have that as it could lead to some form of fixing. It's ridiculous that in this day and age they are not checking every decision

 

[GullyCricketFlop]

Pathetic decision by the umpire.A pity that Azam did not have the review left because of Azhar Ali’s stupidity.

 

[GullyCricketFlop]

No but it is Azhar’s fault for taking a review when he was dead set plumb. He has a history doing so when his place is in question

Except that his place is(unfortunately)not in question right now.It was just a stupid decision

 

[Sidilicious]

run out cannot be the same as this.

the 3rd umpire can easily review the basics of the decision as the batsman is walking as in was the ball hitting the stumps or not. Then its a simple case of alerting on field ump to hold the player for a more detailed review.

Everyone would be happy with this.

Then would you also be happy if say the fielding have lost all their reviews, and a blatant out decision is not given, and the third umpire informs the on field umpire to overturn his decision?

 

[Savak]

The non-striker should be the guy telling the striking batsman to not take the review if it is plumb. I wonder Fakhar feels intimidated by the thought of telling his senior Azhar not to waste a review. Afridi would unilaterally waste reviews as captain without even discussing with the keeper.

 

[BaankeJi]

DRS has reduced number of howlers. That's all it can do.
It was a poor decision. Will be counted against umpire. It is unfortunate that it won't help Pakistan.

 

[HitWicket]

run out cannot be the same as this.

the 3rd umpire can easily review the basics of the decision as the batsman is walking as in was the ball hitting the stumps or not. Then its a simple case of alerting on field ump to hold the player for a more detailed review.

Everyone would be happy with this.

Except perhaps the umpires who now realise they're practically pointless on the field and will probably be redundant soon.

 

[Abdullah719]

The non-striker should be the guy telling the striking batsman to not take the review if it is plumb. I wonder Fakhar feels intimidated by the thought of telling his senior Azhar not to waste a review. Afridi would unilaterally waste reviews as captain without even discussing with the keeper.

I see a lot of people putting importance behind the non-strikers role here but I'm not sure how they're supposed to be able to help with judging LBWs (besides the height factor); they generally stand a few metres wide of the umpire so they really aren't in a very good position to judge the line of the ball.

 

[PakLFC]

The naked eye had "not out" written all over out. Hit him well above the knee role and was only gonna go over the stumps. Even Guptill was signalling not to review it when the umpire gave it out.

 

[AlizeeFan]

Yeah, and I find that quite ridiculous tbh. What's the point of even having the DRS if you're only going to allow one review in 50 overseas? It's shocking how incompetent the ICC is.

How is that incompetency?

Umpires' accuracy is estimated to be around 96%, which means out of 20 dismissals in ODIs there are chances of max 1 decision to be wrong. We see mostly 15-16 wickets in ODIs which reduces it to 1 wrong decision in 2 matches. Moreover there are less close shouts in ODIs unlike tests which produces lot of edges and pads.

So, they give each team 1 review, use it when you're absolutely sure.

DRS takes 3-4 mins. They are already extending match by 10-15 mins with current set of reviews.

If they are going to review each and every decision an extra hour will be added to the match.

 

[AlizeeFan]

Umpires are dictating the game. Can't have that as it could lead to some form of fixing. It's ridiculous that in this day and age they are not checking every decision

Would be pointless exercise to add an extra hour to the game.

 

[hafizexpress]

We're using our hopeless batting lineup as an excuse for this false decision by the umpire. Umpires over the years have made false decisions as was this one, but we are exaggerating it because we have no middle order that could rescue us once Babar was gone. Umpires are humans and they make mistakes. We are only annoyed because they made a mistake on Babar, and not on someone like Hafeez.

 

[GudduBadmash]

To the naked eye it looked out as Babar was on his back foot, this decision doesn't excuse how sorry Babar a batsman is first up facing a quality attack, who knows how to target his stumps as he is a genuine lbw candidate first up in the innings.. don't let the no.5 ranking fool you..

I agree with you, Boult and Southee swinging it may very well expose him here

 

[waleed88]

Alot of bowlers didn't know where to bowl to Babar which is why he got a few runs at the start of his career vs NZ both in tests and ODIs, Hazelwood and Starc bowled the right lines to him.

A few body work, and then a ball upclose to his stumps induces a false stroke and lbw primarily for Babar. He is a proper softie and cannot handle the pressure put on him

 

[Itachi]

We're using our hopeless batting lineup as an excuse for this false decision by the umpire. Umpires over the years have made false decisions as was this one, but we are exaggerating it because we have no middle order that could rescue us once Babar was gone. Umpires are humans and they make mistakes. We are only annoyed because they made a mistake on Babar, and not on someone like Hafeez.

This. Umpires make mistake. Sometimes you are unfortunately on receiving end.

But today I don't think this decision would have slightest effect.

 

[moghul]

Azhar was being extremely selfish, as has been the case with other seniors lately. He knew he was plumb LBW and still wasted the only review we had . Had he not not done that, who knows what kind of innings Babar would have played.

 

[RagingJ]

As much of a bad decision that was, changing to review such bad decisions will disrupt the games flow and batsman/bowler would keep using this to their advantage. The only thing wrong here apart from the decision by the umpire and Azhar Ali going full ******, is only having 1 review available in 50 overs, 2 is enough and fair. 1 is just a lottery.

Why was Azhar Ali wasting a review in the first over when he's plumb and then having a debate with Fakhar Zaman whether to go ahead with it or not. Even with umpires call he would have been done, which was the best anyone expected. It was brainless.

 

[Abdullah719]

Alot of bowlers didn't know where to bowl to Babar which is why he got a few runs at the start of his career vs NZ both in tests and ODIs, Hazelwood and Starc bowled the right lines to him.

A few body work, and then a ball upclose to his stumps induces a false stroke and lbw primarily for Babar. He is a proper softie and cannot handle the pressure put on him

Well if the umpire is going to be giving him out LBW every time he's hit on the thigh then yes, LBWs may become a real problem.

 

[thelandofthebravepeople]

There should be at least 2 reviews in ODI's. Waste of money on DRS to just have 1 reviews

 

[Saj]

Seems like reviews are reserved only for senior players in the Pakistan team.

 

[zoeyfactor]

It was quite embarrassing for even NZ to get that out. Did anyone capture Guptill's reaction?

 

[coy0607]

Can’t blame the ICC or the umpire here.

They have rules and the option for DRS - Azhar is at fault here for very very stupidly wasting the review. Extremely selfish decision

 

[Abdullah719]

Can’t blame the ICC or the umpire here.

They have rules and the option for DRS - Azhar is at fault here for very very stupidly wasting the review. Extremely selfish decision

Well, you can blame the umpire for a rubbish decision. Guptill's reaction said it all.

But yes, most of the attention in the aftermath has gone towards Azhar and rightfully so. We need to stop with the hopeful reviews. That's not what they're for.

 

[shokz1408]

It just looked not out live, I was genuinely shocked he lifted his finger up so quick to call it out :/. There should at the very least be 2 reviews per innings!

 

[shokz1408]

The whole point is to make the right decision.. if no balls are checked every time someone gets out then why can't lbws be reviewed up to 3 times per innings. Saving about 15 minutes per day with fewer reviews, and in exchange affecting the match situation and possibly outcome. Whats the point?

 

[Cricket World]

I do agree, irrespective of review left or not there is no place for Howlers such as this when technology is there for everyone to see in couple of seconds. This could potentially destroy individual player career.

 

[Space Cat]

Yep a bad decision and they happen sometimes. If only there was some system to reverse such howlers.

 

[ChoudherySix]

This very decision opened the flood gates for a trademark Pakistani batting collapse!!! Imagine a huge Fakhar/Babar partnership! Nonetheless, Babar has a problem with ball coming into his pads too often, I hope he learned a lesson

 

[Executioner]

Tbh I've noticed that it's not that easy to judge the height at which the ball is passing the stumps as opposed to the lateral position of the ball.

Babar was hard done by

But I've noticed that at times plumb LBWs had the ball passing way over the stump according to Hawkeye but I sincerely doubt that was going to happen particular when the ball was pitched on a good length

 

[Red Devil]

How is that incompetency?

Umpires' accuracy is estimated to be around 96%, which means out of 20 dismissals in ODIs there are chances of max 1 decision to be wrong. We see mostly 15-16 wickets in ODIs which reduces it to 1 wrong decision in 2 matches. Moreover there are less close shouts in ODIs unlike tests which produces lot of edges and pads.

So, they give each team 1 review, use it when you're absolutely sure.

DRS takes 3-4 mins. They are already extending match by 10-15 mins with current set of reviews.

If they are going to review each and every decision an extra hour will be added to the match.

How long before we go back to two reviews and then back to one? Don't even remember the field restriction rules anymore. There are so many rule changes that even the most hardcore fans struggle to keep track of things. They use the international matches to test out new rules lmao, if that's not incompetence then I don't know what is.

And as for the DRS, an extra 3-4 minutes won't make that much of a difference. You can't try to speed up the process somehow but if they want to completely eliminate howlers then you must have at least 2 reviews in a 50 over game. 1 review is just not enough and we'll continue to see howlers every now and then, just like we saw in the last match.