[PICTURE] Saim Ayub versus Jake Fraser-McGurk

[mominsaigol]

Two young blood openers who have been hyped by their 2 respective countries.

Atm both saim ayub and Jake fraser Mcgurk have been dissapointments in the international circuit despite good numbers in domestic.

So the question is, Who's the better player and who will have the better career 10 years down the line?

 

[mominsaigol]

Here's my 2 cents, JFM is more talented then saim in that he has superior reactions.

But in terms of technique and temperament saim is slightly ahead as JFM has zero foot work.

Jfm needs to work with proper batting coaches. Saim Ayub needs to stop being mental midget.

 

[mominsaigol]

Another thing to note, Saim Ayub in International cricket has been the total opposite of what he was hyped to be.

He seems to be tuk tuk test opener rather then a natural successor to saeed Anwar and fakhar zaman.

 

[mominsaigol]

Looks like saim is the winner

 

[RidiculousMan]

Saim is one of the more talented batters of this generation in world Cricket.

Fraser is a hack

 

[mominsaigol]

Gonna bump this thread for tmr as well.

 

[Kianig89]

both openers have different dynamics, Fraser plays on fast pitches where ball travels quickly to boundary, Saim has more opportunities on wickets with low bounce and spin action

 

[BouncerGuy]

Fraser is a hack. IPL hyped player who would not do any better in internationals like he failed today.

 

[RidiculousMan]

That's the end of Fraser chapter for now.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

That's the end of Fraser chapter for now.

If you Google Frasers full name 75% of the results will probably be from who hyped him to the moon.

As an Aussie I'm surprised he didn't know much about this player.

 

[mominsaigol]

If you Google Frasers full name 75% of the results will probably be from who hyped him to the moon.

As an Aussie I'm surprised he didn't know much about this player.

Espncricinfo has his description listed as the guy who was shortlisted to replace Warner? Wdym i didn't know much about him?

 

[Mamoon]

. He will never be 20% of Warner who is one of the legends of the game.

Australia’s next generation of players don’t look good and it is a worrying sign.

 

[mominsaigol]

He will never be 20% of Warner who is one of the legends of the game.

Australia’s next generation of players don’t look good and it is a worrying sign.

Hyped up JFM so I agree that he's a hack.

I didn't hype up Inglis, I just believe he's a better whiteball batter then rizzu. That's all.

 

[mominsaigol]

Their is a player in domestics atm, ues only 19.

His name is Harry Dixon and he's basically copied David Warner's playing style, he's also a left handed opener and he's getting attention recently.

Unlike JFM, the kid averages 74 in fc and 44 avg in List A, has also signed up for Big Bash league and will play.

The dude is a god gifted talent. I believe he can replace warner as his footwork and shot selection mimick him, + he's alot better then JFM.

The upcoming Under 19 group looks solid for aus.

@Ahmed216 @Rana

I genuinely believe he can play well for aus + even though ues only 19, Dude has a fantastic Warner like Physique.

 

[Ahmed216]

Their is a player in domestics atm, ues only 19.

His name is Harry Dixon and he's basically copied David Warner's playing style, he's also a left handed opener and he's getting attention recently.

Unlike JFM, the kid averages 74 in fc and 44 avg in List A, has also signed up for Big Bash league and will play.

The dude is a god gifted talent. I believe he can replace warner as his footwork and shot selection mimick him, + he's alot better then JFM.

The upcoming Under 19 group looks solid for aus.

@Ahmed216 @Rana

I genuinely believe he can play well for aus + even though ues only 19, Dude has a fantastic Warner like Physique.

Watched him bat in u-19 WC recently.

Looked like a solid prospect

 

[mominsaigol]

Watched him bat in u-19 WC recently.

Looked like a solid prospect

Recently in the current season he's been avg 101 with a sr of 90.

Against England last year he avg 74 in tue test series and in List A he's been avg 44 and sr of 89 .

He's copied warner's style word for word. Even copied his shot where Warner steps forward and hoicks the pacer down the back.

For me he's a much better talent then JFM and connelly. The guy has the physique and power to succeed.

 

[sweep_shot]

Both can become superstars in the decade to come.

Exciting prospects.

As of now, hard to tell who is better because both are new to international cricket.

 

[Kianig89]

From the 3 games seen Fraser McGurk look nothing but a typical Pakistan type hack , stationary feet and just blind slogging with no timing in shots.

Let's see in T20s if he can make an impact and BtW he made special request to Babar to give him some time and advice on batting. @Rana take note!

 

[Rana]

From the 3 games seen Fraser McGurk look nothing but a typical Pakistan type hack , stationary feet and just blind slogging with no timing in shots.

Let's see in T20s if he can make an impact and BtW he made special request to Babar to give him some time and advice on batting. @Rana take note!

Why because Babar has Australian mentality?

 

[Kianig89]

Why because Babar has Australian mentality?

Maybe Mcgurk thinks so , but definitely he holds Babar in high esteem

 

[Local.Dada]

Saim will get multiple opportunities on perceived talent. Might also eventually get to captain in white ball some day.

Mcgurk will be sent to the drawing board if he doesn’t match the standards Aussies set or will be helped to become a world beater.

 

[Rana]

Maybe Mcgurk thinks so , but definitely he holds Babar in high esteem

Why don’t you tell us what you believe instead of reading McGurk’s mind

 

[mominsaigol]

Maybe Mcgurk thinks so , but definitely he holds Babar in high esteem

Australia's coach defended Mcgurk just saying. He clearly sees something in mcgurk that others do not.

Furthermore mcgurk is practising with batting coaches.

My guess is he'll soon start playing more fc and List A games and will improve.

 

[Aqib_mustafa]

Australia's coach defended Mcgurk just saying. He clearly sees something in mcgurk that others do not.

Furthermore mcgurk is practising with batting coaches.

My guess is he'll soon start playing more fc and List A games and will improve.

But bro saim played fine innings as a asian batsmen that is some going as a young batter who is used to low and spin pitches great going by saim deserve all the credit playing on this bouncy and swing pitches.

 

[mominsaigol]

But bro saim played fine innings as a asian batsmen that is some going as a young batter who is used to low and spin pitches great going by saim deserve all the credit playing on this bouncy and swing pitches.

I never critised Saim.

Saim is also a gun talent for pakistan

 

[Kianig89]

Why don’t you tell us what you believe instead of reading McGurk’s mind

Dil ki bat to smj hi gaye ha.

Babar Azam is a brand, hate it or like it

 

[Cricket Warrior]

both are talented but Jake cant play no look shots

 

[Rana]

Dil ki bat to smj hi gaye ha.

Babar Azam is a brand, hate it or like it

Brand of what? Run a ball against USA?

 

[mominsaigol]

Dil ki bat to smj hi gaye ha.

Babar Azam is a brand, hate it or like it

Babar Azam is a brand,

Brand created by PPakistan's who were desprate to compare him to Kohli.

He went from being Pakistan's answer to Kohli, to being the greatest Pakistani batter ever to being one of the greatest ever to now being a whiteball specialist as his career in test is ending.

 

[Kianig89]

Babar Azam is a brand,

Brand created by PPakistan's who were desprate to compare him to Kohli.

He went from being Pakistan's answer to Kohli, to being the greatest Pakistani batter ever to being one of the greatest ever to now being a whiteball specialist as his career in test is ending.

Babar Azam is Pakistan' s best batsman at the moment

 

[mominsaigol]

Babar Azam is Pakistan' s best batsman at the moment

Naw. Pakistan's best batsmen has always been fakhar in this era but pcb never utilised him properly. Fakhar should have been all format opener since 2017.

Babar azam.use to be Pakistan's most consistent batsmen however in recent times he lost that to Saud in tests and rizwan in odi and t20.

Remember more consistent doesn't mean better. Theirs a reason why Misbah is considered a garbage whiteball batsmen who's significantly worse then the likes of yousaf and inzi even though Misbah was 100x more consistent then those 2

 

[Kianig89]

Naw. Pakistan's best batsmen has always been fakhar in this era but pcb never utilised him properly. Fakhar should have been all format opener since 2017.

Babar azam.use to be Pakistan's most consistent batsmen however in recent times he lost that to Saud in tests and rizwan in odi and t20.

Remember more consistent doesn't mean better. Theirs a reason why Misbah is considered a garbage whiteball batsmen who's significantly worse then the likes of yousaf and inzi even though Misbah was 100x more consistent then those 2

Fakhar is best batsman, he has learnt to hold the bat right after playing for Pakistan, stop the BS of not being utilised he has been given numerous chances, he keeps on blinking that's not Babar or Najam Sethi or Zaka Ashraf or Naqvi fault

 

[mominsaigol]

Fakhar is best batsman, he has learnt to hold the bat right after playing for Pakistan, stop the BS of not being utilised he has been given numerous chances, he keeps on blinking that's not Babar or Najam Sethi or Zaka Ashraf or Naqvi fault

Fakhar was never utilised in test cricket even though the few games he played in test, he took stark to the cleaners. He'd have been a much much better option in tests then Imam or Abdullah and shpuld have replaced on of these 2.

Similarly his performance in the tri series against australia is why Pakistan achieved no 1 rank in t20. He was only poor as an opener before the 2018 tri series.

He was in terrific form and was one of the main reasons Pakistan achieved no 1 t20 rank.

Afterwards Pakistan hardly played any t20 cricket due to the odi wc 2019 cup. After 2019, Fakhar was instantly discarded as an opener againat sri lanka.

He was injured for one game and rizzu replaced him, afterwards misbah decided to permanently place fakhar at 4 and have sharjeel and rizzu open and then Babar and rizzu open.

Fakhar was discarded from the test and odi circuit for no reason.

Similarly he was removed from odi until the world cup deapite having terrific form. He had just struck 3 back to back monster centuries in odi and despite a few failed games after, Their was no reason to drop him for an inexperienced parchi like Abdullah.

Against Bangladesh and NZ fakhar once again showed why dropping him for Abdullah was a hare brained decison.

Enlighten me on how fakhar was dropped fairly? Because all I see is nepotism winning against talent which has been the story of Pakistan's entire cricketing lifespan.

 

[Kianig89]

Fraser knows who is the PAPA

 

[Rana]

Babar Azam is Pakistan' s best batsman at the moment

Fakhar is best batsman

Which one is it?

 

[Kianig89]

Which one is it?

Please read it again, clearly evident in both sentences Mr. Microscope

 

[mominsaigol]

View attachment 147674
Fraser knows who is the PAPA

The papa of International cricket atm is Travis Head.

He's the best all format batsmen in the world with Bumrah being the best all format bowler in the world.

No one denies this. Not even die hard Indian fans would deny this considering the fact that current kohli and rohit are corpses now and quinton is also retired and Butler isn't a test player anymore but even if he was, Travis head > Current Butler.

The Butler from 2016-2022 is gone which was his peak. Still a good player but not the sane player, age is catching up.

Current papa is Travis + Bumrah

 

[Rana]

Please read it again, clearly evident in both sentences Mr. Microscope

They are two statements saying both are best

There can only be one best. Who is it?

 

[Rana]

View attachment 147674
Fraser knows who is the PAPA

Fraser is asking him how is it possible to retain your place in the side playing 1980s cricket

 

[Kianig89]

The papa of International cricket atm is Travis Head.

He's the best all format batsmen in the world with Bumrah being the best all format bowler in the world.

No one denies this. Not even die hard Indian fans would deny this considering the fact that current kohli and rohit are corpses now and quinton is also retired and Butler isn't a test player anymore but even if he was, Travis head > Current Butler.

The Butler from 2016-2022 is gone which was his peak. Still a good player but not the sane player, age is catching up.

Current papa is Travis + Bumrah

But Fraser wants advice from Babar, may be he holds Babar in more value than Head

 

[Rana]

But Fraser wants advice from Babar, may be he holds Babar in more value than Head

Yes just Like Rizwan is more Australian than Travis Head

 

[Kianig89]

They are two statements saying both are best

There can only be one best. Who is it?

That was sarcasm , Fakhar is best batsman heck his technique was very awkward when he first burst on scene after that he improved his batting abilities, unfortunately people with vendetta against certain players won't realise it

 

[mominsaigol]

But Fraser wants advice from Babar, may be he holds Babar in more value than Head

Are you serious or are you joking? .

If you are serious. I don't think I can have any more conversations about cricket with you. This is the most nonsensical statement I've heard on PP. 2nd only to Babar can hit 6 4's in a super over.

 

[Rana]

That was sarcasm , Fakhar is best batsman heck his technique was very awkward when he first burst on scene after that he improved his batting abilities, unfortunately people with vendetta against certain players won't realise it

Fakhar wipes the floor with Babar Azam and Rizwan. He is Pakistan’s best white ball batsman. There is no denying this.

 

[mominsaigol]

That was sarcasm , Fakhar is best batsman heck his technique was very awkward when he first burst on scene after that he improved his batting abilities, unfortunately people with vendetta against certain players won't realise it

What are you talking about? Fakhar's technique has never once changed? He still bends down with a baseball like stance exposing his stumps in order to avoid LBW?

His stance is what let's him play killer pull shots and slog sweeps? It's why his biggest weakness if anything that angles away from him because besides Cover drives, he can't play anything else on the Offside due to his stance.

That's why 90% of his dismissals are knicks or catches on the Offside.

His stance is tha same and he's always looking to play that killer pull shot or slog sweep for 6.

 

[Kianig89]

Are you serious or are you joking? .

If you are serious. I don't think I can have any more conversations about cricket with you. This is the most nonsensical statement I've heard on PP. 2nd only to Babar can hit 6 4's in a super over.

The respect shown by McGurk towards Babar is enough to answer the fools.

 

[mominsaigol]

The respect shown by McGurk towards Babar is enough to answer the fools.

No one is saying fraser doesn't respect Babar.

But claiming he holds Babar a foreign overseas batsmen over Travis Head aka his own fellow opener who he wants to bat alongside with and wants nothing more then to accompany in whiteball cricket and achieve his status is crazy .

 

[Rana]

The respect shown by McGurk towards Babar is enough to answer the fools.

Yeah and he holds no regards for Travis Head?

 

[mominsaigol]

Yeah and he holds no regards for Travis Head?

Every aussie youngster wants to bat alongside Travis head and atm no one respect Travis more then these guys.

From Nathan to Harry dixon, They all want to play alongside him because they know that opening in any format alongside Travis head is key to their growth.

Travis Head has high expectations, The guy wants a David Warner at the other end so whoever bats with TH now that Travis Head is opening in tests as well and smith is slotting down to no 4 puts further pressure on these guys to improve and meet expectations.

Why in earth would they hold a foreign overseas batsmen in a higher regard? .

 

[Rana]

What’s this? Rizwan’s Australian Mindset?

 

[mominsaigol]

It gets children like Kiani sab very excited who think the world only revolves around Babar and Rizwan

Anyone who claims Travis head isn't the best and bumrah isn't the best in terms of bowling in 2024 is lying to themselves.

Yes their were players in certain eras who were superior to Travis, For example

Kohli at his absolute peak is > Travis, So is steve smith as Travis hasn't reached 2015 steve smith in any formats yet except for T20.

Peak Warner and gilly are also > Travis and so is peak jaysuria etc.

Peak Butler and 2023 quinton are debatable and what not.

But in 2024 at present no one matches Travis in batting.

Peak 2019-2021 Babar isn't even 5% the batter that Travis is. The 2017 version of Travis who was struggling to get into the aussie side is superior to every era Babar and rizwan.

2024 door ki Baat hai.

 

[Kianig89]

Amazed at fitna of these posters where the fk Travis Head comes into this.

The insecurities and delusions these buffoons

 

[Rana]

Amazed at fitna of these posters where the fk Travis Head comes into this.

The insecurities and delusions these buffoons

Why are you getting worked up now having tagged me and then getting it handed back at you?

What do you want us to do? Just bow to your idols?

 

[Kianig89]

Why are you getting worked up now having tagged me and then getting it handed back at you?

What do you want us to do? Just bow to your idols?

I'm just amazed that a cricket fan can have so much bugz hassad against certain players ,

 

[Rana]

I'm just amazed that a cricket fan can have so much bugz hassad against certain players ,

You shouldn’t be amazed. It’s hypocritical. You can hate players that oppose your agenda. You do it too.

 

[mominsaigol]

Amazed at fitna of these posters where the fk Travis Head comes into this.

The insecurities and delusions these buffoons

Don't call Babar Azam a papa then. Babar hasn't ever been a no 1 batsmen in any era in any formats.

From 2016-2019 the best whiteball + all format batters in that era imo were kohli, Butler and Warner. But even discarding these 3, The likes of Travis, Quinton, Steve smith, Joe Root, Eoin Morgan, Roy and Bairstow and many others were heads and shoulders > Babar as a batsmen in any format. In test steve smith was the best.

From 2020 onwards alot of these players started fizzling out or retired like smith fizzled out in whiteball, kohli fizzled out in test + t20, Root fizzled out in whiteball etc, Morgan and quinton would eventually retire.

However deapite this Babar still doesn't remain no 1. Kohli even in his current state is superior to Babar in all formats and so is rohit, which is embrassing since both these 2 are walking corpses 99% of the time.

Travis Head, Rachin Ravindra, Butler(Current in whiteball), Phil Salt in whiteball, Klaseen, Steve smith in tests are still heads and shoulders >>>> Babar.

He has never been the papa of any format and the same goes for rizwan. So the whole this guy holds him in higher regards is totally false.

 

[Kianig89]

Hey Genius leave this debate for some time and enlighten the world on CT threads, the world needs your wisdom

 

[mominsaigol]

If we don’t call him Papa, we have Bugz and Hasad against him apparently

Babar is talented. I don't hate bobby anymore. Now that Babar has stepped down from captaincy, I have no issues with him.

He got dropped from test and rightfully so, hence atm I have no issues with him.

In odi he's playing at 3 and in t20 I don't mind him opening. Him + Fakhar wasn't a bad t20 combo.

I just have issues with him being called the best or him being called the greatest thing to ever come out of pak or him being held in any high regard. He's a decent batter that's all.

I have issues with rizwan 100% as I view him as a very medicore batsmen, a very selfish cry baby batsmen with annoying antics, and overall just a poor character and representation of pakistan cricket.

I agree rizzu should replace Sarfaraz and I also agree that rizwan is > Sarfi(Post 2014-2015 only, 2014-2015 sardi is > in whiteball) but below peak sarfi in red ball, however replacing an old sarfi means replacing an old sarfi only. Who told this clown to replace fakhar in t20, haris sohail in odi and bat above established batsmen in tests?

 

[mominsaigol]

Babar is talented. I don't hate bobby anymore. Now that Babar has stepped down from captaincy, I have no issues with him.

He got dropped from test and rightfully so, hence atm I have no issues with him.

In odi he's playing at 3 and in t20 I don't mind him opening. Him + Fakhar wasn't a bad t20 combo.

I just have issues with him being called the best or him being called the greatest thing to ever come out of pak or him being held in any high regard. He's a decent batter that's all.

I have issues with rizwan 100% as I view him as a very medicore batsmen, a very selfish cry baby batsmen with annoying antics, and overall just a poor character and representation of pakistan cricket.

I agree rizzu should replace Sarfaraz and I also agree that rizwan is > Sarfi(Post 2014-2015 only, 2014-2015 sardi is > in whiteball) but below peak sarfi in red ball, however replacing an old sarfi means replacing an old sarfi only. Who told this clown to replace fakhar in t20, haris sohail in odi and bat above established batsmen in tests?

Genuinely speaking had rizwan replaced sarfaraz only and batted at no 7 in all formats and was a makeshift batter like sarfi was I'd have no issue with him.

Similarly I wouldn't have any issues with babar had he not accepted captaincy and had only focused his attention on whiteball as he was never a test batter. I don't mind babar opening in t20 tbh.

My issues with babar relate to captaincy and his stubbornness to continue batting in tests when it was clear he's been a circus clown in tests for a while now.

Rizwan is a limited batsmen and a medicore cricketer hence he shpuld only be used as a keeper, Similarly babar only in whiteball at no 3.

It's the whole wrapping an entire team around these 2 that created problems.

 

[khyberlion]

Genuinely speaking had rizwan replaced sarfaraz only and batted at no 7 in all formats and was a makeshift batter like sarfi was I'd have no issue with him.

Similarly I wouldn't have any issues with babar had he not accepted captaincy and had only focused his attention on whiteball as he was never a test batter. I don't mind babar opening in t20 tbh.

My issues with babar relate to captaincy and his stubbornness to continue batting in tests when it was clear he's been a circus clown in tests for a while now.

Rizwan is a limited batsmen and a medicore cricketer hence he shpuld only be used as a keeper, Similarly babar only in whiteball at no 3.

It's the whole wrapping an entire team around these 2 that created problems.

How do you explain mediocre rizwan having far better stats then all of our wk's?

 

[mominsaigol]

How do you explain mediocre rizwan having far better stats then all of our wk's?

Idk, how do you explain medicore Rizwan having better stats then Travis Head in t20?

Stats in this day and age have been irrelevant for a long hot while now.

Gone are the days where a 40 avg and 80 sr batter like pointing was top tier.

We live in an era where 25 avg batters In t20 like finn allen kick the day lights out of rizwan. Similarly batters like Travis head deapite avg lower and having lesser runs and lesser centuries them babar in all formats is no 1 and is superior to Any era bobby.

I've seen these players and I've seen all their eras.

Kamran akmal and 2014-2015 Satfi in whiteball and 2014-2017 Sarfi in red ball are superior to rizwan as batters.

Kamran Akmal even in 2018 as an aged cricketer outperformed everyone in the psl, He proved that had he played in this era and had the luxury of dealing with the crao c string sa attack that rizzu dealt with or the same wi bowling attack that nedtherlands butchered and Babar stat padded 5 odi centuries against, Kamran Akmal would have done the same as he was smacking the same tier bowlers left and right.

Rizzu plays in the easiest batting era. In this era even test cricket Is a joke due to road curation. Rizwan's 171 against Bangladesh is such a scam on the road pitch that he achieved it on. In comparison Saudis 2nd innings 100 against England in the 3rd test is a 100x superior to rizzu 171 due to the difficulty of the pitch.

But ofcourse stats won't tell you that.

Stop relying on stats in this era. If you are, then your cricketing knowledge is outdated. The 2 new balls rules in odi, followed by test pitch curation to give home sides or certain players an advantage or t20 cricket as a whole via leagues has made stats irrelevant.

 

[Rana]

How do you explain mediocre rizwan having far better stats then all of our wk's?

How do you explain the loss v USA?

 

[Rana]

How do you explain mediocre rizwan having far better stats then all of our wk's?

Heinrich Klaasen

Average 23
Sr:141

How do you explain Rizwan having better stats than him in terms of average but not being 1-100th of the player Klaasen is?

 

[khyberlion]

How do you explain the loss v USA?

Mohammad Amir. Babar Azam and the team.

 

[mominsaigol]

Anyone who relies on stats in this era or uses stats to compare current era players to past era players are either dishonest or have outdated views.

For example Rizwan 171 against Bangladesh is 100x worse then Saud 2nd innings match winning 100 against England despite taking more deliveries to get their and saud overall achieving a lesser score.

In the past, I would have been laughed at for such a claim as achieving said scores on the same test pitches in tue same country and arguing the lesser score that took more deliveries would be considered utter madness.

This is because in the past, while test pitches were curated, they weren't deliberately curated to give home sides an advantage.

Hence players like ashwin greatly benefitted from frauding their way on Indian soil.

Rizwan's 171 boosted and inflated his test numbers however his 171 is poor due to the pitch being a total road and every bangaldeshi batter just beating rizzu at his own game, Especially liton das, Mushfiqar and mehidy hasan.

Saud's 100 is better due to the difficulty of the pitch as well as the fact that it was the 2nd innings. It showed how good saud is at playing and reading spin as a player.

However stats won't ever tell you this. They'll tell you that rizzu had the better numbers and better performance.

As I said outdated cricket views.

 

[khyberlion]

Heinrich Klaasen

Average 23
Sr:141

How do you explain Rizwan having better stats than him in terms of average but not being 1-100th of the player Klaasen is?

I said from Pakistan and overall. I am not talking about a specific format.

 

[Rana]

I said from Pakistan and overall. I am not talking about a specific format.

Wish wosh? Is Rizwan better than Klaasen according to you?

 

[khyberlion]

Idk, how do you explain medicore Rizwan having better stats then Travis Head in t20?

Stats in this day and age have been irrelevant for a long hot while now.

Gone are the days where a 40 avg and 80 sr batter like pointing was top tier.

We live in an era where 25 avg batters In t20 like finn allen kick the day lights out of rizwan. Similarly batters like Travis head deapite avg lower and having lesser runs and lesser centuries them babar in all formats is no 1 and is superior to Any era bobby.

I've seen these players and I've seen all their eras.

Kamran akmal and 2014-2015 Satfi in whiteball and 2014-2017 Sarfi in red ball are superior to rizwan as batters.

Kamran Akmal even in 2018 as an aged cricketer outperformed everyone in the psl, He proved that had he played in this era and had the luxury of dealing with the crao c string sa attack that rizzu dealt with or the same wi bowling attack that nedtherlands butchered and Babar stat padded 5 odi centuries against, Kamran Akmal would have done the same as he was smacking the same tier bowlers left and right.

Rizzu plays in the easiest batting era. In this era even test cricket Is a joke due to road curation. Rizwan's 171 against Bangladesh is such a scam on the road pitch that he achieved it on. In comparison Saudis 2nd innings 100 against England in the 3rd test is a 100x superior to rizzu 171 due to the difficulty of the pitch.

But ofcourse stats won't tell you that.

Stop relying on stats in this era. If you are, then your cricketing knowledge is outdated. The 2 new balls rules in odi, followed by test pitch curation to give home sides or certain players an advantage or t20 cricket as a whole via leagues has made stats irrelevant.

Cut down the essay. I am asking about PK wk and you are talking about Travis head one of the most clutch players. His competition is not Travis Head. How has he even come up in this discussion?

 

[Rana]

Cut down the essay. I am asking about PK wk and you are talking about Travis head one of the most clutch players. His competition is not Travis Head. How has he even come up in this discussion?

His competition isn’t Travis Head? Both play as openers in T20i. You can’t choose which guys you want to compete with to make yourself look better.

 

[mominsaigol]

Wish wosh? Is Rizwan better than Klaasen according to you?

The reason why stats are irrelevant In this day and age is because anyone can boost anything depending on quality of attacks and pitches curated.

For example rizzu's stats are 100x superior in the Bangladesh series then Saudis stats against England.

But any Tom dick and Harry who watched both series would know that despite saud avg less, His performances againat England were atg material while rizzu's Performance weren't anything special. Liton das, Mehidy and mushfiqar rolled over pakistan regardless.

 

[khyberlion]

Wish wosh? Is Rizwan better than Klaasen according to you?

Last time I checked klassen is from SA and the question is about Rizwan being better than Pakistan WK. Where does klassen come into the question?

 

[Rana]

Cut down the essay. I am asking about PK wk and you are talking about Travis head one of the most clutch players. His competition is not Travis Head. How has he even come up in this discussion?

Don’t tell him how to respond. If you struggle to read more than 150 letters of English, it’s not his fault. It’s a discussion forum, not a WhatsApp chat!

 

[khyberlion]

His competition isn’t Travis Head? Both play as openers in T20i. You can’t choose which guys you want to compete with to make yourself look better.

His competing with Pakistani players for a spot not Travis head and no I don't want rizwan to open in t20s. Just say you can't answer and avoiding the question.

 

[mominsaigol]

Cut down the essay. I am asking about PK wk and you are talking about Travis head one of the most clutch players. His competition is not Travis Head. How has he even come up in this discussion?

I already explained it to you. You dint want to listen. Stats in this day and age and meaningless.

If you believe rizzu is > A certain keeper due to stats then you automatically must agree to rizzu being > Travis head.

You can't claim rizwan is > this guy due to stats but stats don't matter infront of Travis head. It's extremely hypocritical.

If you want to argue rizwan > this keeper then sure. But come up with a better argument then stats. Find something else.

 

[Rana]

His competing with Pakistani players for a spot not Travis head and no I don't want rizwan to open in t20s. Just say you can't answer and avoiding the question.

Yes you do want Rizwan to do everything I religiously fight against. You don’t have to lie.

 

[khyberlion]

Don’t tell him how to respond. If you struggle to read more than 150 letters of English, it’s not his fault. It’s a discussion forum, not a WhatsApp chat!

I will happily read his 10000 words essays if he actually responds to the question asked. But unfortunately they are filled with stuff which doesn't answer anything.

 

[Rana]

Last time I checked klassen is from SA and the question is about Rizwan being better than Pakistan WK. Where does klassen come into the question?

Wish wosh wish wosh. The language of hypocrisy

Answer the question. Is Rizwan better than Klaasen? He averages double than he does.

 

[mominsaigol]

I will happily read his 10000 words essays if he actually responds to the question asked. But unfortunately they are filled with stuff which doesn't answer anything.

Let me rephrase

You asked me to explain how medicore rizzu has superior stats to any pk wicket keeper.

^^ This is your premise. Your whole premise is hingent on arguing that rizzu is superior based of stats.

i explained why stats in this day and age are meaningless to compare past players and current players to.

You can't imply rizwan is > This PK keeper based of stats but then throw that logic out the window for Travis or klaseen. It exposes you as a hypocrite.

 

[khyberlion]

I already explained it to you. You dint want to listen. Stats in this day and age and meaningless.

If you believe rizzu is > A certain keeper due to stats then you automatically must agree to rizzu being > Travis head.

You can't claim rizwan is > this guy due to stats but stats don't matter infront of Travis head. It's extremely hypocritical.

If you want to argue rizwan > this keeper then sure. But come up with a better argument then stats. Find something else.

Let me ask ask again. I thought I made it very clear but maybe not. Why has mediocre rizwan got better stats in all formats than any of our wk's. I am talking about Pakistani Wk's not Travis head. No go on and answer.

 

[Rana]

Let me ask ask again. I thought I made it very clear but maybe not. Why has mediocre rizwan got better stats in all formats than any of our wk's. I am talking about Pakistani Wk's not Travis head. No go on and answer.

Answer your own question. Stop wish woshing

Is Rizwan better than Klaasen with an average twice as him? Why don’t you get all your fanboys to join you and work it out?