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[PICTURE] The home team bully factor, Would Pakistan be too dominant in Champions Trophy 2025 or just as awful as always?

Would Pakistan be a home bully too in Champions Trophy 2025?

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The Home team advantage has just become glaringly apparent recently in the ICC events. For instance

*India won the WC 2011 on home turf
* New Zealand and Australia bullied every team in WC 2015
* England won their maiden WC in 2019 on its own soil
*India toyed with every team in CWC 2023
* West Indies looking so dominant in ongoing T20 WC 2024

So the big question is can Pakistan be a home bully to other teams on its home turf in CT 2025 or it still would be as pathetic as always even on its own home soil?

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Not really, Pakistan has a terrible record in Icc events held in the Subcontinent.

They have never reached the finals of an icc event held in Asia
 
Yep Pakistan has been in a consistent decline now. But may be the home bullies like Imam ul Haq, Usama Mir etc can produce something decent
Statpadder Inc said:
Not really, Pakistan has a terrible record in Icc events held in the Subcontinent.

They have never reached the finals of an icc event held in Asia
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Pakistan doesn’t play enough cricket against top-tier teams on home soil to have a significant home advantage. Only by hosting home series against stronger sides can a team truly understand what strategies work and what don’t. Although Pakistani players are generally familiar with their own conditions, they lack the detailed knowledge of how specific players will perform against top opposition in these conditions. In simpler terms Pakistan doesn't have enough experience playing stronger teams at home to effectively use home conditions to their advantage.
 
Also between now and Champions Trophy, Pakistan needs identify 15 players and stick with them. Don’t keep adding and chopping players. Need a better strategy to maximize home conditions.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
I have seen those tracks. Pakistan will be even more exposed on these tracks. England Test series proved just that.
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Unfortunately we don't have magicians like Saqlain any more, also our pace attack is not lethal as it used to be in 1990s and on batting we only have statpadders
 
Nope we would be crap as usual. Afghans beat us in the 2023 odi World Cup, now USA in the t20 World Cup, add another to the list Champions trophy 2025 and that too at home, that will be quite humiliating.
 
Make a set of tricky pitches and have a three way domestic series, shortlist 33 players, 11 each team. So each team gets 4 games on these pitches. The pitch narrowed the gap with India, almost won the game.

No point in creating a batting paradise, this batting line up vs a bowling machine, id wager my money on the bowling machine.
 
Gary Kirsten's real job starts now. Making the team ready for CT 2025.

Pakistan have to purge middle order completely. New players are needed.
 
shortbread said:
Make a set of tricky pitches and have a three way domestic series, shortlist 33 players, 11 each team. So each team gets 4 games on these pitches. The pitch narrowed the gap with India, almost won the game.

No point in creating a batting paradise, this batting line up vs a bowling machine, id wager my money on the bowling machine.
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Yep like India produce tricky pitches and deploy such players on these tracks with vast experience only then we have a chance of CT title defense
 
Pak pitches doesnt suit us lol. They are batting paradise and will suit eng nz aus ind alot.
 
Those pitches are roads.

If Pakistan batters can get runs, then just imagine better more rounded batters could do.
 
cricketmania22 said:
Also between now and Champions Trophy, Pakistan needs identify 15 players and stick with them. Don’t keep adding and chopping players. Need a better strategy to maximize home conditions.
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Good strategy but when will PCB start this as its only approx. 6 months from now
 
YousafTheBeast said:
If Pakistan was to host a 5 match series vs the Top 5 teams, they’d lose every single series.

This tournament will be the nail in the coffin for Babar.
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I think it would be stupid to go with Babar, lets try Rizwan as he has a good record as captain on these home turfs
 
Actually on pakistan pitches some of the hacks and ttfs who were psl star batter may do well as they are batting wickets generally. But since they got exposed on us ticky pitches they will be dropped and replaced with either lower strike rate players or other hacks that are not even dominating psl so we may end up in worse spot somehow.
 
Chacha Ifti's fans will be telling us that because he's on home soil, he'll deliver the finishing and the CT trophy. @Mohraheem
 
Pakistan pitches are absolute roads and matches will be 200 plus scores. I think Pakistan will be out hit by other teams 9 out of 10 times. Imagine what would Salt and Buttler type hitters would do on those pitches.
 
With those roads on offer, pak should target atleast 350 or chase 400.I remember in 2006, india chased 287 in karachi loosing only 2 wickets with 4 overs to spare .So 400 must must be a decent target on those highways.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
I have seen those tracks. Pakistan will be even more exposed on these tracks. England Test series proved just that.
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Pitches for ODIs and Tests are different, though they are certainly flat. And the pitches we saw in 2022 are not a true reflection of the kind of pitches Pakistan tends to have. The pitches we saw between 2019-21 probably are.
 
Pakistan has played better ODI cricket at home in recent years. And I don't think you can discount home advantage. Players do have greater familiarity with pitches that they have grown up playing on and certainly the crowd support is a massive fatcor.

But somehow its hard for me to imagine Pakistan dominating anything, let alone an ICC tournament. Even if a miracle happens it will be scratchy as hell.
 
The Bald Eagle said:
Yep like India produce tricky pitches and deploy such players on these tracks with vast experience only then we have a chance of CT title defense
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Not like Indian spinning tracks, don't have a single decent spinner who can actually turn the ball. Need seaming wickets with indifferent bounce. Afridi, Amir, Rauf, Naseem will create havoc. These wickets need Pakistan's slow defensive batting, will perfectly suit the team. NY pitches to be exact.
 
shortbread said:
Not like Indian spinning tracks, don't have a single decent spinner who can actually turn the ball. Need seaming wickets with indifferent bounce. Afridi, Amir, Rauf, Naseem will create havoc. These wickets need Pakistan's slow defensive batting, will perfectly suit the team. NY pitches to be exact.
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These wickets are flat 300-330 wickets where chasing down such totals is also very much possible, especially in D/N games where the dew factor comes into play. They are less flatter/not as high-scoring as the wickets we saw in India during the WC and also have more to offer for the bowlers. Though your best bet is probably striking with the new ball because after that batting tends to become easier, especially under lights.
 
Savak said:
Lol at home advantage. If Pakistan was competent enough to take advantage of home conditions, we would not have lost to the likes of Australia, England, South Africa, New Zealand at home.
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When did Pakistan lost to SA at home?
 
It is 8 months away, a lot can/will change by then especially because there will be a lot of new faces.

What we do know is that considering the Pakistani wickets, teams that are batting first will have to target 320+ because anything below that will prove to be a below par total especially during the early phase of the tournament.

Things can look different in the knockouts especially due to wear and tear on the wickets.

Pakistan will need Babar at his absolute best. He needs to average 80+ at a SR of around 100 for Pakistan to be able to post 320+ totals.

A new spinner is also a must and I hope Abrar is an automatic choice by that time. Shadab and Imad bowling on this pitches will be a disaster for Pakistan.
 
Pakistan cricket is at an all-time low, they can't even put up a decent show against stronger sides at home
 
Itachi said:
Wait..... Do you guys actually believe it will be in Pakistan?
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There’s 6 months left for the event, you really think ICC can shift the tournament to another country in such a short time?

It’ll either be postponed or it’ll take place in Pakistan with or without India.
 
YousafTheBeast said:
There’s 6 months left for the event, you really think ICC can shift the tournament to another country in such a short time?

It’ll either be postponed or it’ll take place in Pakistan with or without India.
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ICC will conduct a tournament without India.... I wonder how many ppers here believe it as reality and not some fantasy.
 
YousafTheBeast said:
There’s 6 months left for the event, you really think ICC can shift the tournament to another country in such a short time?

It’ll either be postponed or it’ll take place in Pakistan with or without India.
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It will be played in multiple countries if at all it happens.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
India is never visiting there for foreseeable future.
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We’ve had Indian sport teams visit Pakistan in the last couple of years.

They’ll either come or they won’t, but the tournament will not be held outside of Pakistan, unless the ICC are working behind the scenes to prepare for a back up incase something happens in Pakistan.

But, with how everything is going right now, it looks like the CT25 will be held in Pakistan…with 6 months left, tickets will probably be released very soon. Pakistan vs India at Gaddafi Stadium in Lahore on a Sunday.
 
YousafTheBeast said:
We’ve had Indian sport teams visit Pakistan in the last couple of years.

They’ll either come or they won’t, but the tournament will not be held outside of Pakistan, unless the ICC are working behind the scenes to prepare for a back up incase something happens in Pakistan.

But, with how everything is going right now, it looks like the CT25 will be held in Pakistan…with 6 months left, tickets will probably be released very soon. Pakistan vs India at Gaddafi Stadium in Lahore on a Sunday.
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What a confident post. Man how you guy's so confident that without india there will be any ICC tournament ??
 
Devadwal said:
What a confident post. Man how you guy's so confident that without india there will be any ICC tournament ??
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Aight, you tell me at what point should we be confident?

2 months before the tournament?

When the tickets are on sale?

When all the teams have landed?

Before the first ball?

At what point can we say that the tournament will be held in Pakistan with or without India?
 
YousafTheBeast said:
Aight, you tell me at what point should we be confident?

2 months before the tournament?

When the tickets are on sale?

When all the teams have landed?

Before the first ball?

At what point can we say that the tournament will be held in Pakistan with or without India?
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It will be hybrid models where india will played all game in others country

There are enough time left .
 
Mamoon said:
Pakistan will need Babar at his absolute best. He needs to average 80+ at a SR of around 100 for Pakistan to be able to post 320+ totals.
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I think they will also need Imam-ul-Haq because you promised “he will come good” 🤣🤣🤣
 
Par scores will be 350 plus cos we like miniature boundaries.

I expect us to win 1 or 2 matches at best.
 
Devadwal said:
Weren't pakistan fans all the time saying ICC= BCCI ??

So if BCCI refused to tour then ICC ( BCCI)doesn't have any other option than agreed to hybrid model.
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Then what is the ICC waiting for? Agree to the hybrid model now? Who are they afraid of?
 
YousafTheBeast said:
Then what is the ICC waiting for? Agree to the hybrid model now? Who are they afraid of?
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They waited for WT20 to finished .

All the teams are busy in world T20 so is ICC or bcci.
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Pakistan fans are free as their team is out of the tournaments so they are start thinking about CT.
 
topspin said:
I think they will also need Imam-ul-Haq because you promised “he will come good” 🤣🤣🤣
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Imam will definitely play. He might fail but he won’t fail as hard as Imad did with the bat in this World Cup.

“Cool under pressure and reads the situation well”
 
Devadwal said:
They waited for WT20 to finished .

All the teams are busy in world T20 so is ICC or bcci.
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Pakistan fans are free as their team is out of the tournaments so they are start thinking about CT.
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So, on June 30th, ICC will release a statement saying that they’ve agreed to a hybrid model?
 
On those flat Pakistani roads where Babar & Co. will make a 110 ball 100, SENA batsmen will smash 70 ball centuries
 
The Bald Eagle said:
The Home team advantage has just become glaringly apparent recently in the ICC events. For instance

*India won the WC 2011 on home turf
* New Zealand and Australia bullied every team in WC 2015
* England won their maiden WC in 2019 on its own soil
*India toyed with every team in CWC 2023
* West Indies looking so dominant in ongoing T20 WC 2024

So the big question is can Pakistan be a home bully to other teams on its home turf in CT 2025 or it still would be as pathetic as always even on its own home soil?

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If put a little cute kitty instead of lion, maybe our cricketer’s will start playing cricket and not binge feed like lion’s at buffets.
 
I hope the following two instances help you make up your mind:

1. Pakistan's clean sweep defeat to England in the Test Series.

2. Their inability to defeat a New Zealand D team in the recent T20 series at home.
 
Mamoon said:
Imam will definitely play. He might fail but he won’t fail as hard as Imad did with the bat in this World Cup.

“Cool under pressure and reads the situation well”
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Coming to Imad, it's funny how you completely neglect his bowling contributions. You were bashing him for his bowling throughout the PSL and once claimed Misbah would bowl better than him but he's made you eat his words in that regard. I'm sure it won't be for the first time either.
 
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Pakistan ain't winning ct 2025 is rizwan or shan are the successors.

Rizwan will be babar 2.0 and Shan will basically make you play with one batter short.

You need new players and a new team. Theirs an Australia odi series coming up, Kuda ka Khoof kar kei, play and develop your newbies.
 
topspin said:
Coming to Imad, it's funny how you completely neglect his bowling contributions. You were bashing him for his bowling throughout the PSL and once claimed Misbah would bowl better than him but he's made you eat his words in that regard. I'm sure it won't be for the first time either.
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Imad fans started the propaganda over his selection after his batting in the PSL playoff vs Zalmi.

We heard a lot of stories about how Imad was going to to add depth and calmness to our middle-order in the World Cup and how was he was going to be key to Pakistan chasing totals because he can keep his cool under pressure.

We all know what you would have said if Pakistan picked Nawaz instead, and he Nawaz played the innings Imad did vs India. We wouldn’t have heard the end of how Imad would have won that match for Pakistan.

In fact, we all know what Imad himself would have said on tv if he was analyzing Pakistan’s batting approach vs India.

Imad and Amir fans not only ate their words, they ended up devouring them. It is no surprise that the likes of you having been laying low in recent weeks.

Amir bowled the worst Super Over in history that too vs USA that helped Pakistan crash out of the group stage while Imad was a complete joke with the bat, playing of the worst innings ever played in the T20 World Cup history.

As far as his bowling is concerned, even you would have done ok in these conditions as a spinner. He did nothing special.

The bottom-line is that Imad added nothing to the team and all the myths surrounding his so-called mentality and intelligence got exposed big time.

He proved that Pakistan didn’t miss him over the last couple of years and his presence would have made no difference.
 
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Champions Trophy should be deleted from schedule.
1 ODI World Cup
2 T20 World Cups
and Olympics will complete the 4 year cycle
Test championship can proceed separately.
 
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