[PICTURE/VIDEO] The "NO-BALL" bowled to Virat Kohli by Mohammad Nawaz

[KingKhanWC]

Umpire bottled it. Clearly not a no ball but Pakistan bottled it too .

Don’t think either team can win this cup so no big deal in the end

 

[Smbhayi]

Someone posted on tweeter. Can anyone explain
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Then why slow ball beamer called no balls .. it always no ball if full toss are above waist line.. if you remember Abdul Rehman incident (0 ball 8 runs), it was only about chest high iirc .

 

[shamaan]

Now Pakistan is clutching at straws.

Game haar Gaye hein.

Don't find faults in umpires.

When the game gets tight the little margins make a big difference.

 

[oatmeal]

It's a tight call but not a howler. The ball was probably an inch above waist height and these can go either way. It just happened in a very crucial point that it hurt Pakistan

 

[Smbhayi]

I think you are watching a different game. India were lucky to win this. That no ball decision rewarded 4 runs. 5 off last ball with Ashwin batting to Nawaz, that is not happening.

If it was 6 off 2 then Kohli will face remaining 2 balls and most likely to win it from there too..

 

[ask_analyse_act]

As I said in another post, it doesn't make an iota of difference. It would have been smashed for a six anyway. By that time the game was already India's.

Pretty poor stuff from Pakistani fans, alleging cheating by the umpires and India. You lot just let down your own team with your immature comments. Pakistan played superbly well.

No way Pakistan could have won in that last over with Nawaz bowling two wides, even if that wasn't a no-ball.

Things change in every delivery.. he started off the over with a wicket of set batsman even Kohli hit that for six and not a no ball ,still 9 needed off 3 balls and still need 2 boundaries to win

Can u imagine set Kohli to misings out on a free hit and that to get bowled to Nawaz in Aus, big match pressure can get to anyone..


That no ball was crucial, with an extra delivery and put pressure on the poor spinner who bowled 2 wides afterwards ...

 

[Major]

Read it again. The batsman doesn't have be inside the crease.

If a batsman is outside the crease, a bowler is allowed to bowl a full toss over his head. Is that your interpretation?

so now you are claiming nawaz was bowling over his head.

Offocurse when you stand outside of the crease the ball will dipping will be coming down.

What do you think? Battters should start standing half down the pitch because that way they will be able to negate the ball bouncing and moving, but because to joshila that ball will go over the head it should be no ball?

He was not in his crease, the ball was at marginal levels and should not be a no ball.

Congrats to India for cheating their way to victory

 

[jnaveen1980]

It is a tight call. I am curious to see the DK one. That looked even higher.

 

[asifp]

Umpire judged it based on point of contact. Poor call. Changed the game.

Saying that you don't give 50 of 3

 

[arunpsm]

Then, lets make a thread on Axar stumped decision

 

[gani999]

I think you are watching a different game. India were lucky to win this. That no ball decision rewarded 4 runs. 5 off last ball with Ashwin batting to Nawaz, that is not happening.

Babar's having a heated discussion with the umpires. Was that above waist height? Tight call, I would think.

19.4
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Nawaz to Kohli, (no ball) SIX runs
Full-toss, full-toss, and it's gone for six!!!! It's only just gone for six, but it's gone for six nonetheless! On off stump, and it's a fairly high full-toss too - it's been called no-ball!!! - and Kohli swats it away over the leg side. Deep square leg leaps to his right, gets a hand to the ball to try and flap it back into play, but it still lands beyond the rope

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series...16th-match-group-2-1298150/live-cricket-score

Here's the commentary of the NB on espncricinfo. Looks like you were watching some other game.

 

[jnaveen1980]

so now you are claiming nawaz was bowling over his head.

Offocurse when you stand outside of the crease the ball will dipping will be coming down.

What do you think? Battters should start standing half down the pitch because that way they will be able to negate the ball bouncing and moving, but because to joshila that ball will go over the head it should be no ball?

He was not in his crease, the ball was at marginal levels and should not be a no ball.

Congrats to India for cheating their way to victory

Technically he just has to touch the popping crease with one foot. No need to stand inside the crease. There is no such requirement. Kohli's backfoot was still touching the popping crease. That makes it a normal stance. He didn't advance out of the crease. He hit that six from standing position

 

[Smbhayi]

Another day, another world cup, another 50 50 call again goes to the most powerful,power hungry,rich board. Wait for the brigade of Indian jingo army to come..oh wait nevermind..already came in the thread

Then why don't you guys question Axar run out.. shouldn't benifit of doubt goes to Batsman?

 

[happydavy]

Exactly my point how can it not be a dead ball when he bowled .

Despite these protestations, the ball was not a dead ball because off a free hit, a batsman can get out only in four ways i.e. Handled the ball, Hit the ball twice, Obstructing the field and Run out.

The three runs were thus given as three byes and Dinesh Karthik took strike with 2 runs to get off the last 2 balls.

The ICC rule on the dead ball says:

"20.1.1 The ball becomes dead when 20.1.1.1 it is finally settled in the hands of the wicket-keeper or of the bowler.

20.1.1.2 a boundary is scored. See clause 19.7 (Runs scored from boundaries).

20.1.1.3 a batter is dismissed. The ball will be deemed to be dead from the instant of the incident causing the dismissal."

Because Kohli was not out because the delivery was a free hit, the ball was not dead when the ball hit his stumps. So until the batsman gets run out, he can keep running of free hit whether caught or bowled.

 

[shamaan]

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Can someone please validate the authenticity of this rule? I got this randomly from the internet.

21.14 Ball not dead

The ball does not become dead on the call of No ball.

 

[Rajdeep]

These marginal calls happen, sometimes it goes your way and sometime it dosen't. There is no point crying. Indian fans can also argue Axar Patel was not out.

Pakistan lost fair & square and had no answer to Kohli's batting.

For me, today is the end of world cup...I no longer care what India does in remaining tournament. This was the game we wanted to win, and we have achieved it. Hopefully it's a start of a new streak

 

[Hextro]

That's not a no-ball. PCB should follow up on this. What an absolute gift by the umpire.

 

[ekpakistani]

Unfortunately it seems like they are making international cricket like WWE.

How on earth was that a no ball and umpire only calling it a noball after kohli appealing

 

[cricketjoshila]

Don’t take Major seriously.

Congratulations on a great win. India won fairly

Thanks.

Pakistan played brilliantly.

And i agree with you, Haris Rauf is right up there as a T20 bowler.

 

[Cricfan4eva]

No ball was a 50-50 call. I'd be upset too if India was at the receiving end of such a call and we'd lost.

But I don't think there was any foul play, anyone suggesting it is just being a sore loser.

 

[Smbhayi]

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Can someone please validate the authenticity of this rule? I got this randomly from the internet.

Lol from where you guys get these new rules? I've seen lot of time batsman are running even after taking on a free hit/no ball..

 

[jnaveen1980]

While agreeing it is a tight call, it is very far from a howler. If anything a wide of Arshdeep should have never been a wide.

 

[Major]

Technically he just has to touch the popping crease with one foot. No need to stand inside the crease. There is no such requirement. Kohli's backfoot was still touching the popping crease. That makes it a normal stance. He didn't advance out of the crease. He hit that six from standing position

nope. There is a reason that popping crease exists. You need to be inside.

You not inside, you cant whine about full tosses.

doesnt matter what his backfoot was touching, it was not over the line, simple as that. He was not inside the crease he was outside, and the ball was not high enough to be a no ball.

Congrats to India for cheating a win.

The umpires were never gonna check SHans dismissal its only when Shan stood and asked for it.

When Ifti took a catch, rohit had already crossed the boundary and taken off his kit, yet umpires checked and had it touched the ground, the umpires might had called rohit back even though according to rules you cant.

But i would expect joshila and co to still come up with some reason to defend it.

India cheated and got a win. Good for them

 

[Local.Dada]

How on earth was that a no ball

It’s not a new rule. Full toss above waist height is a noball. Apart from the usual Ind-Pak rhetoric there are something called official rules in cricket.

 

[Smbhayi]

Exactly my point how can it not be a dead ball when he bowled .

Bcs it's free hit delivery?

 

[jnaveen1980]

nope. There is a reason that popping crease exists. You need to be inside.

You not inside, you cant whine about full tosses.

doesnt matter what his backfoot was touching, it was not over the line, simple as that. He was not inside the crease he was outside, and the ball was not high enough to be a no ball.

Congrats to India for cheating a win.

The umpires were never gonna check SHans dismissal its only when Shan stood and asked for it.

When Ifti took a catch, rohit had already crossed the boundary and taken off his kit, yet umpires checked and had it touched the ground, the umpires might had called rohit back even though according to rules you cant.

But i would expect joshila and co to still come up with some reason to defend it.

India cheated and got a win. Good for them

"At the popping crease" Not "inside the popping crease"


21.10 Ball bouncing over head height of striker

The umpire shall call and signal No ball for any delivery which, after pitching, passes or would have passed over head height of the striker standing upright at the popping crease

 

[Local.Dada]

Congrats to India for cheating a win.

Congrats on the honest loss as well. Too bad Riz didn’t last long enough to break momentum today

Baahane baahane baahane: that’s the mantra of this thread.

Pak played really hard and can’t take that away from them but what a match and what a fight back by team india. Loved it .

 

[cricketjoshila]

so now you are claiming nawaz was bowling over his head.

Offocurse when you stand outside of the crease the ball will dipping will be coming down.

What do you think? Battters should start standing half down the pitch because that way they will be able to negate the ball bouncing and moving, but because to joshila that ball will go over the head it should be no ball?

He was not in his crease, the ball was at marginal levels and should not be a no ball.

Congrats to India for cheating their way to victory

He was standing at the crease.

If the ball is bowled in such a way that it would have passed over the batsman's waist if he was at the popping crease, its a no ball. It doesn't matter where he is standing.

 

[Major]

It’s not a new rule. Full toss above waist height is a noball. Apart from the usual Ind-Pak rhetoric there are something called official rules in cricket.

how is that even above waist? you consider that area as above waist?

 

[happydavy]

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Can someone please validate the authenticity of this rule? I got this randomly from the internet.

Naah someone making Mickey of others on internet.
The ICC rule on the dead ball says:

"20.1.1 The ball becomes dead when 20.1.1.1 it is finally settled in the hands of the wicket-keeper or of the bowler.

20.1.1.2 a boundary is scored. See clause 19.7 (Runs scored from boundaries).

20.1.1.3 a batter is dismissed. The ball will be deemed to be dead from the instant of the incident causing the dismissal.

However, on a free hit, a batsman can get out only in four ways i.e. Handled the ball, Hit the ball twice, Obstructing the field and Run out. Since none of these happened so 20.1.1.3 wasn't applicable in this case.

 

[Major]

He was standing at the crease.

If the ball is bowled in such a way that it would have passed over the batsman's waist if he was at the popping crease, its a no ball. It doesn't matter where he is standing.

nope, no where does that state in the rules.

He was not inside the crease, he was out of of it. WHen you ahve nothing inside it you are outside.....

it does matter where he stands.

If i stand on half the pitch, obviously every ball that will come would be going over my head. Would i say that no call it a no ball becuase even though i am out of my crease but the ball is come waist high.

 

[Local.Dada]

how is that even above waist? you consider that area as above waist?

Yes it was. You are measuring it in slow motion.
At that speed it would have been above waist height. It was a totally fair call.

 

[fitCricFan]

It could have gone either way and calling it a no ball was fair. Hypothetically, if it wasn't a no ball then VK would be batting and it is, inconceivable that he would not be able to score the winning runs the way he was batting. Poor last over from Nawaz. Pakistan lost fair and square but if fans need to cope up with the loss then anything goes.
There already is another thread questioning the rule based off which India was able to score 3 runs after the ball hit the wickets. Looks like everyone has conspired for Pakistan to loose.

 

[Runner Up]

People are upset because Kohli asked umpire to give it a No Ball. Should have been referred to third umpire.

 

[Major]

"At the popping crease" Not "inside the popping crease"


21.10 Ball bouncing over head height of striker

The umpire shall call and signal No ball for any delivery which, after pitching, passes or would have passed over head height of the striker standing upright at the popping crease

ok, so now tell me, was the ball going over the head heigh or not?

You are the one who posted this not me. Plz tell us, unless you claim that kohlis head is attached to his bottom

 

[shamaan]

Bcs it's free hit delivery?

It is a stupid rule espically when it hits the stumps.

 

[Local.Dada]

People complaining about ball hitting the stumps, if it hits the stumps and go for overthrows do people run or not?

Answer that for yourself and you will be clear. It was a rhetorical question so I don’t expect answers.

It was a free hit, ball hits the stump and batsmen run over throws. Unbelievable that on a cricket forum people have these doubts,
Maybe it’s the emotion speaking

 

[ekpakistani]

It’s not a new rule. Full toss above waist height is a noball. Apart from the usual Ind-Pak rhetoric there are something called official rules in cricket.

IPL contracts carry heavier weight than following actual rules. This is why that was given a noball only after Kohli protested. Cheaters.

 

[Runner Up]

With Kohli standing on the line and the line belongs to Umpire and if the same had been referred to third umpire what would have been the decision? a simple question.

 

[Major]

Yes it was. You are measuring it in slow motion.
At that speed it would have been above waist height. It was a totally fair call.

this is why i asked for a video and [MENTION=93712]MenInG[/MENTION] posted it in op.

The ball is dipping in, not rising

 

[cricketjoshila]

It is a stupid rule espically when it hits the stumps.

Nopes. If you are not out, its not a dead ball.

 

[Major]

With Kohli standing on the line and the line belongs to Umpire and if the same had been referred to third umpire what would have been the decision? a simple question.

the line belongs to India Cricket.

 

[Firebat]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Suggestion: Every player gets their waist height measured pre-tournament then Hawkeye just tells us whether a full toss is below or above that mark &#55357;&#56834;</p>— Jimmy Neesham (@JimmyNeesh) <a href="https://twitter.com/JimmyNeesh/status/1584157149743427584?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 23, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Local.Dada]

IPL contracts carry heavier weight than following actual rules. This is why that was given a noball only after Kohli protested. Cheaters.

No point playing then. Just give the World Cup to India. Obviously those things didn’t matter in Asia cup or previous wc right?

Calm down. The tournament is still open and Pak can still play like cornered tigers

 

[Smbhayi]

He was not in his crease, the ball was at marginal levels and should not be a no ball.

Congrats to India for cheating their way to victory

 

[cricketjoshila]

this is why i asked for a video and [MENTION=93712]MenInG[/MENTION] posted it in op.

The ball is dipping in, not rising

Doesn't matter.

Kohli was at the popping crease. The ball was waist high when it made contact.

No Ball.

 

[Smbhayi]

It is a tight call. I am curious to see the DK one. That looked even higher.

I think it didn't called due to he stepped out..

 

[Local.Dada]

this is why i asked for a video and [MENTION=93712]MenInG[/MENTION] posted it in op.

The ball is dipping in, not rising

Ok let’s say it was marginal. It’s not as obvious as you make it seem and this wasn’t the first marginal call in cricket.

Stop complaining and on to the next game.

 

[cricketjoshila]

With Kohli standing on the line and the line belongs to Umpire and if the same had been referred to third umpire what would have been the decision? a simple question.

41.7.1 Any delivery, which passes or would have passed, without pitching, above waist height of the striker standing upright at the popping crease, is unfair. Whenever such a delivery is bowled, the umpire shall call and signal No ball.

This is the law.

Anywhere it says Batsman should be inside?

 

[ekpakistani]

No point playing then. Just give the World Cup to India. Obviously those things didn’t matter in Asia cup or previous wc right?

Calm down. The tournament is still open and Pak can still play like cornered tigers

IPL contracts and cheaters. Kohli played well no doubt but this cheating is a stain and no matter how you Indians twist it will not change that.

 

[cricketjoshila]

IPL contracts carry heavier weight than following actual rules. This is why that was given a noball only after Kohli protested. Cheaters.

Is PCB going to quit ICC over this?

 

[Major]

no need to share doctored pics.

thanks

 

[Major]

Doesn't matter.

Kohli was at the popping crease. The ball was waist high when it made contact.

No Ball.

the rule you posted mentions head high.

India cheated a win, congrats to them

 

[Local.Dada]

IPL contracts and cheaters. Kohli played well no doubt but this cheating is a stain and no matter how you Indians twist it will not change that.

Call the police then or send a legal notice because as far as I am concerned game is done and dusted fair and square.

 

[Major]

Ok let’s say it was marginal. It’s not as obvious as you make it seem and this wasn’t the first marginal call in cricket.

Stop complaining and on to the next game.

it was obvious. On field umpire didnt give it till kohli protested and umpire felt under pressure to give it, third umpire should had checked.

umpire gave it later and not even the third umpire.

Even Waseem Akram said it was not a no ball.

It was obvious when you see the replay. Ball is dipping, foot not inside the crease

 

[Smbhayi]

ok, so now tell me, was the ball going over the head heigh or not?

You are the one who posted this not me. Plz tell us, unless you claim that kohlis head is attached to his bottom

You lost it, he was clearly talking about no ball (bouncer), not beamer..

 

[Runner Up]

41.7.1 Any delivery, which passes or would have passed, without pitching, above waist height of the striker standing upright at the popping crease, is unfair. Whenever such a delivery is bowled, the umpire shall call and signal No ball.

This is the law.

Anywhere it says Batsman should be inside?

Why they say Line belongs to Umpire? and I have asked a very simple question. Why the same was not referred to third umpire? Kohli forced the umpire to call it a No Ball didn't he?

 

[shamaan]

Doesn't matter.

Kohli was at the popping crease. The ball was waist high when it made contact.

No Ball.

Apparently thiers a rule if a slow bowler is bowling it has to be above shoulder height.

 

[cricketjoshila]

it was obvious. On field umpire didnt give it till kohli protested and umpire felt under pressure to give it, third umpire should had checked.

umpire gave it later and not even the third umpire.

Even Waseem Akram said it was not a no ball.

It was obvious when you see the replay. Ball is dipping, foot not inside the crease

Wasim was the umpire?

Ball dipping means nothing?

Kohli was at the crease. Ball made contact above the waist.

 

[shamaan]

LAW-42.6(B) relates to Bowling of High Full Pitched balls. (i) Any delivery, other than a slow paced one, which passes or would have passed on the full above waist height of the striker standing upright at the crease is to be deemed dangerous and unfair, whether or not it is likely to inflict physical injury on the striker.

(ii) A slow delivery which passes or would have passed on the full above shoulder height of the striker standing upright at the crease is to be deemed dangerous and unfair, whether or not it is likely to inflict physical injury on the striker.

 

[Major]

Erasmus didnt give it a no ball, the penalist are discussing this right now, erasmus is stairing, he didnt raise his elbow.

After that he had no authority, if Virat Kohli Asked than both umpires should had consulted than send it upstairs. It was upto the upstair comentator, this is what Waqar is saying.

Anothing thing is, it was all Indian commentators, they downplayed it. THey didnt allow it to be discussed

 

[cricketjoshila]

Why they say Line belongs to Umpire? and I have asked a very simple question. Why the same was not referred to third umpire? Kohli forced the umpire to call it a No Ball didn't he?

What line? Read the law again. Nowhere it mentions that the batsman has to be inside the crease.

No ball referral? Is that even allowed, unless there is a dismissal.

 

[Major]

You lost it, he was clearly talking about no ball (bouncer), not beamer..

he posted it not me.

 

[zulfiqar]

The no ball is NOT the reason Pakistan lost today. There was also no foul play and people saying India or BCCI cheated are just emotional after a tough loss.

With that out of the way, I do not believe that was a no ball, and even if Kohli would probably hit 7 from 2 if it came to that, the fact that the umpire decided to insert himself at a crucial juncture of the game was sickening and tough to bare. That would almost never be called a no ball if it happened in the middle of the innings but the umpire bottled it since was a pressure situation and Kohli signaling for it put the spotlight on him. This kind of umpiring sucks in any sports. These are the kind of no balls you give when your own team is umpiring in a tape ball match.

Alas. I'll ask Pak fans to hold heads high. We competed well and in the end it was a great game.

P.S.for that freee hit, runs after being bowled are allowed, such are the free hit rules. I do think they should look into changing that though, it's a bit too rewarding to be able to run after being bowled, but it was definitely within rules.

 

[Smbhayi]

Why they say Line belongs to Umpire? and I have asked a very simple question. Why the same was not referred to third umpire? Kohli forced the umpire to call it a No Ball didn't he?

I agree on that, should have send it to tv umpire..

 

[cricketjoshila]

Erasmus didnt give it a no ball, the penalist are discussing this right now, erasmus is stairing, he didnt raise his elbow.

After that he had no authority, if Virat Kohli Asked than both umpires should had consulted than send it upstairs. It was upto the upstair comentator, this is what Waqar is saying.

Anothing thing is, it was all Indian commentators, they downplayed it. THey didnt allow it to be discussed

Lets decide everything in pakistani studios.

ICC umpires are useless.

 

[Savak]

The way Kohli was batting, he would have taken India home regardless. Pakistani bowlers and fielders as usual bottled under pressure big time to lose the game from a winning position. Kohli is a world class player who just has our number.

 

[Major]

Wasim was the umpire?

Ball dipping means nothing?

Kohli was at the crease. Ball made contact above the waist.

did the third umpire give a decision? Did eramus give his decision in real time?

Kohli was outside the popping crease simple as that

 

[cricketjoshila]

he posted it not me.

41.7.1 Any delivery, which passes or would have passed, without pitching, above waist height of the striker standing upright at the popping crease, is unfair. Whenever such a delivery is bowled, the umpire shall call and signal No ball.

This is what i posted.

Where does it say head high?

 

[shariqnoor]

50 50 call. The true answer is if it was a Pakistani batter, what would the posters here think? You'll get your answer.

 

[Smbhayi]

Apparently thiers a rule if a slow bowler is bowling it has to be above shoulder height.

There's no such rule.. just remember Abdul Rehman 0-0-8-0 world record spell..

 

[happydavy]

Apparently thiers a rule if a slow bowler is bowling it has to be above shoulder height.

Nawaz saab was bowling medium pace, didnt you see where was rizwaan standing.

 

[Major]

Lets decide everything in pakistani studios.

ICC umpires are useless.

TV umpire did not give his verdict, it was on field umpire who decided to give decision based on memory not based on real time

 

[Punjab Kings]

Being a fan of cricket i would have accepted India's defeat than a win by cheating..

 

[Major]

Nawaz saab was bowling medium pace, didnt you see where was rizwaan standing.

no he was not bowling medium pace. stop making stuff up. Keeper can stand anywhere he want. doesn matter, its not compulosry keeper has to stand on top because a spinner is bowling. keeper was behind because third man was not being taken

 

[Local.Dada]

Being a fan of cricket i would have accepted India's defeat than a win by cheating..

Being a fan of Indian cricket I accept this win and will take these kind of posts like icing on the cake I am going to eat today

 

[Punjab Kings]

TV umpire did not give his verdict, it was on field umpire who decided to give decision based on memory not based on real time

It was not a no ball.....

 

[shamaan]

41.7.1 Any delivery, which passes or would have passed, without pitching, above waist height of the striker standing upright at the popping crease, is unfair. Whenever such a delivery is bowled, the umpire shall call and signal No ball.

This is what i posted.

Where does it say head high?

What about the law below ?


LAW-42.6(B) relates to Bowling of High Full Pitched balls. (i) Any delivery, other than a slow paced one, which passes or would have passed on the full above waist height of the striker standing upright at the crease is to be deemed dangerous and unfair, whether or not it is likely to inflict physical injury on the striker.

(ii) A slow delivery which passes or would have passed on the full above shoulder height of the striker standing upright at the crease is to be deemed dangerous and unfair, whether or not it is likely to inflict physical injury on the striker.

 

[Major]

41.7.1 Any delivery, which passes or would have passed, without pitching, above waist height of the striker standing upright at the popping crease, is unfair. Whenever such a delivery is bowled, the umpire shall call and signal No ball.

This is what i posted.

Where does it say head high?

talking about the other poster not you.

anyways, as i have said before, kohli was not inside the popping crease, he was out of it.

 

[cricketjoshila]

did the third umpire give a decision? Did eramus give his decision in real time?

Kohli was outside the popping crease simple as that

Why will third umpire give decision? Can a decision.of No ball be referred to the third umpire if it isn't a dismissal? Go check the rules.

Kohli was at the popping crease.