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Baigel said:
No-one had a problem when he did this in the T20I v England because he was a young captain and it was the beginning of a new era. A breath of fresh air. Now, everyone seems to be judging every step he takes because he's not performing?? Come on guys, He's won you a Champions Trophy, No.1 T20 team. Lets just take a few steps back and applaud him for his commitment and passion towards this Pakistan team. I guarantee you guys would not have a problem with his "unreasonable behavior" had he scored a couple hundreds, batted up the order or maybe shouted at the seniors in the past few months. And the last comment, would you rather shout at your manager or a junior who works underneath you?
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Exactly, this behavior without performances to back it up does not look good. Kohli also has his antics but he backs it up with runs.
 
Baigel said:
No-one had a problem when he did this in the T20I v England because he was a young captain and it was the beginning of a new era. A breath of fresh air. Now, everyone seems to be judging every step he takes because he's not performing?? Come on guys, He's won you a Champions Trophy, No.1 T20 team. Lets just take a few steps back and applaud him for his commitment and passion towards this Pakistan team. I guarantee you guys would not have a problem with his "unreasonable behavior" had he scored a couple hundreds, batted up the order or maybe shouted at the seniors in the past few months. And the last comment, would you rather shout at your manager or a junior who works underneath you?
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You'd be surprised to find out that a certain group of posters hate Sarfraz and justify unwarranted criticism by saying 'Misbah also got treated this way and people hated everything he did'...Misbah also got undue hate but no one made cheap personal comments about how he looks while most of Sarfrazs' haters only have his weight to call him out on...These are the same posters who call Imad 'fat' Wasim as the next captain LOL.
 
Lays into Nawaz, Nawaz gets out, then he himself gets out the next ball.
 
Syed1 said:
Listen to what Nawaz had to say about the conversation. Sometimes it helps to set aside your hate.
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Nawaz can say whatever he has to, to remain in the Friends XI. The way Sarfaraz was gesturing suggested otherwise. I have no hate, just calling a spade a spade, even the commentators called it.
 
DeadBall said:
Nawaz can say whatever he has to, to remain in the Friends XI. The way Sarfaraz was gesturing suggested otherwise. I have no hate, just calling a spade a spade, even the commentators called it.
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bhai you should work for some itelligence then along with the commentators, your ability to perfectly understand people from a such a distance is extrodinary

Sarfraz always talks like that, i though that was the issue? Yet you can understand him perfectly


There is valid critisim, then there is an agenda. With posts like yours i get the impression you are annoyed that Sarfraz and by extention Pakistan has had the sucess they have had thus far
 
sshakir411 said:
You'd be surprised to find out that a certain group of posters hate Sarfraz and justify unwarranted criticism by saying 'Misbah also got treated this way and people hated everything he did'...Misbah also got undue hate but no one made cheap personal comments about how he looks while most of Sarfrazs' haters only have his weight to call him out on...These are the same posters who call Imad 'fat' Wasim as the next captain LOL.
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sooo trueee
 
sshakir411 said:
You'd be surprised to find out that a certain group of posters hate Sarfraz and justify unwarranted criticism by saying 'Misbah also got treated this way and people hated everything he did'...Misbah also got undue hate but no one made cheap personal comments about how he looks while most of Sarfrazs' haters only have his weight to call him out on...These are the same posters who call Imad 'fat' Wasim as the next captain LOL.
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Well said.... some people's agendas are too hard to hide
 
sshakir411 said:
You'd be surprised to find out that a certain group of posters hate Sarfraz and justify unwarranted criticism by saying 'Misbah also got treated this way and people hated everything he did'...Misbah also got undue hate but no one made cheap personal comments about how he looks while most of Sarfrazs' haters only have his weight to call him out on...These are the same posters who call Imad 'fat' Wasim as the next captain LOL.
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Don't know about agendas but Sarfaraz should be criticized for consistently playing his friends and club mates.
 
Greenstorm said:
Don't know about agendas but Sarfaraz should be criticized for consistently playing his friends and club mates.
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At the end of the day Sarfraz doesn't pay the players in QG. Nadeem Omar is not a doodh peeta bacha. If the owner is happy with who Sarfraz picks then that's a non issue...Similarly if IU owners and management are okay with Misbah picking his buddies than that's also not an issue. Sarfraz should be called out for picking his friends if he's doing it against the will of the team owner and management. Don't you think that's the logical way to look at it?
 
He is just what he is. Typical street cricketer who wears his emotions on his sleeve. It can be good at times but at times you wish if he would have matured into more nuanced and balanced captain. Overall, still the best choice for captain for Pakistan.
 
sshakir411 said:
At the end of the day Sarfraz doesn't pay the players in QG. Nadeem Omar is not a doodh peeta bacha. If the owner is happy with who Sarfraz picks then that's a non issue...Similarly if IU owners and management are okay with Misbah picking his buddies than that's also not an issue. Sarfraz should be called out for picking his friends if he's doing it against the will of the team owner and management. Don't you think that's the logical way to look at it?
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Yes that is one way to look at it but we as fans of different teams and players can criticize Sarfaraz and Misbah for preferring friendships over merit based selection. There is nothing unfair in doing that.
 
Criticism of Sarfraz's behaviour, which I think is fair, has brought Pakistan's regional fault lines into fore as well.

Sarfraz may have best of intentions but I must admit that I've never seen a captain so severe on its own team mates, that too youngsters who are already more vulnerable & insecure.

To attach criticism of Sarfraz to the Karachi as whole (which have some legitimate griefs) is not correct.
 
People have forgetten how most Pak captains act. I am not legtimising the on field behaviour, I would actually prefer if Sarfraz was more like Misbah in this one area, but five years of Misbah and some years of Malik have made people forget most our captains in recent times.

Imran, Javed, Wasim, Younis and Afridi all dished out incredible sprays and tantrums on the field that make Sarfraz's seem tame.

Inzi was also capable of a tantrum


Now again for those that need it to be spelled out, Sarfraz can be and should be better, but he isnt a failure and he doesnt warrant the amount of abuse he gets.
 
pakistanigoneaussie said:
People have forgetten how most Pak captains act. I am not legtimising the on field behaviour, I would actually prefer if Sarfraz was more like Misbah in this one area, but five years of Misbah and some years of Malik have made people forget most our captains in recent times.

Imran, Javed, Wasim, Younis and Afridi all dished out incredible sprays and tantrums on the field that make Sarfraz's seem tame.

Inzi was also capable of a tantrum


Now again for those that need it to be spelled out, Sarfraz can be and should be better, but he isnt a failure and he doesnt warrant the amount of abuse he gets.
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He's an easy target. Short, weird-speaking, etc. Let's not forget he's from Karachi.

People will have their biases.

But if Sarfraz changed his image a bit, then it would be better. Definitely should get stronger, lose that belly, grow a beard (not Maulana), learn better English. Yes these things might not matter in the field, but he is representing Pakistan so image off the field is important too.
 
pakistanigoneaussie said:
Imran, Javed, Wasim, Younis and Afridi all dished out incredible sprays and tantrums on the field that make Sarfraz's seem tame.

Inzi was also capable of a tantrum


Now again for those that need it to be spelled out, Sarfraz can be and should be better, but he isnt a failure and he doesnt warrant the amount of abuse he gets.
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They all threw tantrums. Infact Imran, Javed and Wasim were way more abusive but none of them threw tantrums every third over. Occasional behavior like this is not a bad thing for a captain as it helps him assert control but continuously shouting and berating players is not just unfair to them but also diminishes a captain's authority as players start to ignore him. I understand that Sarfaraz is a passionate player but he needs to control his behavior or he will risk losing the respect of his players.
 
amvbfm said:
They all threw tantrums. In fact Imran, Javed and Wasim were way more abusive but none of them threw tantrums every third over. Occasional behaviour like this is not a bad thing for a captain as it helps him assert control but continuously shouting and berating players is not just unfair to them but also diminishes a captain's authority as players start to ignore him. I understand that Sarfaraz is a passionate player but he needs to control his behaviour or he will risk losing the respect of his players.
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agree with everything you say, especially that he needs to control his emotions.

Just to expand further on others so people get the context: Wasim would reduce players to tears, and unlike Sarfraz, he would take it out on them behind the scenes as well ( as in politically, through the media etc). He was the kind of captain who would tear into someone for dropping a catch of his own bowling, while regurely dropping plenty himself, not to mention all his other "issues."

Even more recently people should just google the abuse that Afridi and Younis would dole out on people.

If Sarfraz used some of that language people here would call for his execution
 
pakistanigoneaussie said:
agree with everything you say, especially that he needs to control his emotions.

Just to expand further on others so people get the context: Wasim would reduce players to tears, and unlike Sarfraz, he would take it out on them behind the scenes as well ( as in politically, through the media etc). He was the kind of captain who would tear into someone for dropping a catch of his own bowling, while regurely dropping plenty himself, not to mention all his other "issues."

Even more recently people should just google the abuse that Afridi and Younis would dole out on people.

If Sarfraz used some of that language people here would call for his execution
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Indeed. Sarfaraz is a lot better person than many who have preceded him. I for one do not criticize his behavior because I hate him but because I want him to succeed, although I think he needs to up both his personal game and his captaincy, both of which have taken a dip in recent times.
 
amvbfm said:
Indeed. Sarfaraz is a lot better person than many who have preceded him. I for one do not criticize his behavior because I hate him but because I want him to succeed, although I think he needs to up both his personal game and his captaincy, both of which have taken a dip in recent times.
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yep, my biggest frustration with him is that he doesnt promote himself up the order. Should really be batting at 4 in ODIS and T20s
 
And this is why I have doubts about him captaining Pakistan, he's one of the few that can do it. However, he should be the guy the team look up too and gain confidence from. If you are going to get scolded here, there and everywhere it can be really demoralising for the team.
 
shokz1408 said:
And this is why I have doubts about him captaining Pakistan, he's one of the few that can do it. However, he should be the guy the team look up too and gain confidence from. If you are going to get scolded here, there and everywhere it can be really demoralising for the team.
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Tbh our players are of the type who need the danda
 
Say whatever you want but Sarfi is the best captain we had since IK

Mention any other Pakistan captain who has won 2 ICC trophies...Sarfi also lead very weak Quetta team to two consecutive finals.His danda is necessary and that is what inspires youngsters to play the way their playing ATM

People forget how bad we were post 1999 under Inzi,Waqar and Misbah
 
Slog said:
Tbh our players are of the type who need the danda
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That's also kind of true, they do need to be pushed. And, don't want someone as laid back as Misbah. I think Sarfraz just needs to control his aggression, sometimes its unwarranted and sometimes its too much. That was bad viewing how he behaved with his young player right at the end. Also, not sure why he was having a go at Nawaz when he was doing so well.

Usually, the captains try to get under the skin of the opposing team, it seems Sarfraz is after his own team.
 
srh and the likes are frustrated that Sarfraz is the Pakistan captain and isnt being removed anytime soon. They have had it for him since day 1. Reasons vary. For some it is regional and for others it is because he was appointed over their own favorites.

However fact is that he will remain Pakistan captain no matter how much these guys cry. If there will be a major change in management then it will be the disaster, money grabbing Mickey Arthur who wil be sacked not Sarfraz. They know it as well hence the frustration.

He is only Pakistan captain ever afaik to have won 2 ICC events (WC U19 and CT) and he will definitely be captaining us in the WC.

So better digest this
 
Guy is a good Captain, but his anger gets better of him often. And, he is too honest for his loose mouth - so admitted that Biriany fascination of his (despite his lack of fitness); I am sure he is not the only one in team, but instead of Biriany, some might blame even water ......

Problem is that he is Captain and WK - every time in front of camera. Lots of players do some nasty antics, gestures in the field, or to the crowd, but hardly get caught in camera. I have absolutely no idea, why being Captain & one of the senior most pro, he would smash the wicket today, when batsman is already out !!!!!!! May be it's his grooming from younger age, which he is unable to get over.
 
Railu Katta said:
There should be a rule on PP. Anyone that brings regionalism should be warned and repeat offenders should be given a ban. I hate this whole oh it's because he's from Karachi or he's Punjabi. We all know who the offenders are. [MENTION=8]MIG[/MENTION] [MENTION=9]Saj[/MENTION] [MENTION=133760]Abdullah719[/MENTION] [MENTION=146530]DeadBall[/MENTION]
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Good one.
 
Railu Katta said:
There should be a rule on PP. Anyone that brings regionalism should be warned and repeat offenders should be given a ban. I hate this whole oh it's because he's from Karachi or he's Punjabi. We all know who the offenders are. [MENTION=8]MIG[/MENTION] [MENTION=9]Saj[/MENTION] [MENTION=133760]Abdullah719[/MENTION] [MENTION=146530]DeadBall[/MENTION]
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Exactly. Just because you criticize the holy Sarfraz it does not automatically mean that you hate Karachi.
 
Railu Katta said:
There should be a rule on PP. Anyone that brings regionalism should be warned and repeat offenders should be given a ban. I hate this whole oh it's because he's from Karachi or he's Punjabi. We all know who the offenders are. [MENTION=8]MIG[/MENTION] [MENTION=9]Saj[/MENTION] [MENTION=133760]Abdullah719[/MENTION] [MENTION=146530]DeadBall[/MENTION]
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That's easy to say but some of the people who criticize him have openly made their viewpoints regarding Karachi known in other threads.
 
1) Broke the stumps unnecessarily
2) Poor Timing of Dismissal with the Bat
3) Yells at Hamza (after the game)
4) Calls out Ali/Hamza (press conference)

He's getting worse by the day.
 
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amvbfm said:
They all threw tantrums. Infact Imran, Javed and Wasim were way more abusive but none of them threw tantrums every third over. Occasional behavior like this is not a bad thing for a captain as it helps him assert control but continuously shouting and berating players is not just unfair to them but also diminishes a captain's authority as players start to ignore him. I understand that Sarfaraz is a passionate player but he needs to control his behavior or he will risk losing the respect of his players.
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Lol I think you were too young when Wasim was captain. He used to berate his players with swear words on a mis-field of all things. But he was a world-class player so apparently thats okay for some.

Sarfraz is getting unnecessary criticism nowadays because of the amount of cameras on the ground.
 
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I am hapoy with his behaviour as he is getting results from the team but his own Wicket-keeping reflexes have been poor for sometime now and that's major problem. Both Kamran and Rizwan have been better than him in this PSL in keeping. He has dropped catches and missed stumpings and that's not acceptable.
 
Usman Chadda said:
Lol I think you were too young when Wasim was captain. He used to berate his players with swear words on a mis-field of all things. But he was a world-class player so apparently thats okay for some.

Sarfraz is getting unnecessary criticism nowadays because of the amount of cameras on the ground.
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Please read what I wrote once again. I never said Wasim or Imran were better than Sarafraz. Their behavior was deplorable at times but you would never see them shouting at players throughout a match. Also, if you do want to compare then also compare Sarfaraz with captains like Misbah and Rashid who did not lose their cool. Try to understand that I am not against Sarfaraz but his behavior is ridiculous at times and undermines his own authority. Imran didn't command respect because he was in his players ears at every single moment but because he used his authority sparingly but effectively. Also you would never see Imran discouraging youngsters by criticizing their performance publicly. Wasim was bad onfield but rarely would you see him micromanage things like Sarfaraz does. Even Javed (never been a better cricketing brain than him in Pakistan) who ALWAYS had something to say didn't act like this.

I have nothing against Sarfaraz. I really like him as a person but he does need to review his behavior and understand that he is leading an international cricket team and not a group of schoolboys. He has to use his authority sparingly but effectively instead of being in his player's ears every second and thereby ensuring that they stop listening to him. And his fans too need to take criticism positively.
 
Usman Chadda said:
Lol I think you were too young when Wasim was captain. He used to berate his players with swear words on a mis-field of all things. But he was a world-class player so apparently thats okay for some.

Sarfraz is getting unnecessary criticism nowadays because of the amount of cameras on the ground.
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Wasn't the team in-fighting during Wasim's captaincy?

That's hardly reassuring. :))
 
Usman Chadda said:
Lol I think you were too young when Wasim was captain. He used to berate his players with swear words on a mis-field of all things. But he was a world-class player so apparently thats okay for some.

Sarfraz is getting unnecessary criticism nowadays because of the amount of cameras on the ground.
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Just because Wasim got away being a leader doesn't mean Sarfaraz has license to behave obnoxiously. Wasim, Imran were a once in a generation players and had the weight of performance to back up their behavior. Also some of the greats cannot appreciate the difficulties that average talented players go through and they get irritated not knowing why others are not able to do things that they can do so easily.. Sarfaraz is not a once in a generation player, he barely makes it into your team and as mediocre as they come.
 
And he flops again. Becoming abit of a passenger now. i dont think his captaincy is good enough to warrant his dodgy keeping and brainless batting
 
Gunner786 said:
And he flops again. Becoming abit of a passenger now. i dont think his captaincy is good enough to warrant his dodgy keeping and brainless batting
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Sarcasm? Didn't he score 89 of 40 something balls? Or are you talking about some other match?
 
Gunner786 said:
And he flops again. Becoming abit of a passenger now. i dont think his captaincy is good enough to warrant his dodgy keeping and brainless batting
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Yeah scoring 89 not out is flopping :))
 
Needed that innings - had been struggling of late and looked short on confidence.
 
Seems he played a good innings today. Couldn't watch the match as I had work but I think this is good for him. Yes, it's only Scotland but going forward this will give him confidence :)
 
Needs to bat at 4-5 in ODIs as well. He has almost always done well at that position yet he continues to bat low. T

Hopefully he'll find form with the bat and it will transfer over in tests. For the last few series he has been a tail ender in tests, the team needs him to start contributing regularly with the bat.
 
He has been putting in the hard yards during training and it seems to have come good in yesterday's game alhudullilah.

Due to the rain the Pakistani team had to have a shortened training session on Monday and the team ended up leaving the ground early. However, Sarfraz stayed back with Micky and Grant and had quite a lengthy batting session in the net as soon as the rain stopped, prior to the press conference.

He's obviously aware of the lack of runs he has scored lately and is working hard to regian some form. I don't want to get too far ahead of ourselves, however, here's hoping that in the first T20 we have witnessed that start of a new purole patch with the bat for the Pakistani skipper.
 
TalhaSyed said:
He has been putting in the hard yards during training and it seems to have come good in yesterday's game alhudullilah.

Due to the rain the Pakistani team had to have a shortened training session on Monday and the team ended up leaving the ground early. However, Sarfraz stayed back with Micky and Grant and had quite a lengthy batting session in the net as soon as the rain stopped, prior to the press conference.

He's obviously aware of the lack of runs he has scored lately and is working hard to regian some form. I don't want to get too far ahead of ourselves, however, here's hoping that in the first T20 we have witnessed that start of a new purole patch with the bat for the Pakistani skipper.
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Good to hear. Thanks.
 
Sarfaraz Ahmed calling younger players 'Beta'

Hi folks,

First of all, I am a genuine fan of Sarfraz and his captaincy, and I strongly feel the current team is probably the best 11 for Pakistan in English conditions and hope they don't drop or make major changes. The team wasn't suited for Uae.


Now going back to my original subject, why does Sarfraz keeps calling younger players 'Beta'. I just find it highly offensive, unprofessional and annoying. I myself play club cricket in a team with players ranging from 20s to 50s, and no one calls each other beta/son. Sarfraz is himself in 30s, and I don't think it looks good when a 30 year old calls a 20 years old 'Beta'. Is this a norm in Pakistan or Pakistani domestic cricket where senior players call juniors beta. In India, I can imagine calling someone Beta on a field will be close to bullying or to put someone down.

I am surprised no one raised this on this forum. Is this normal?
 
It's bad. It's hard to stay positive just watching it on tv, never mind being on the other side of a verbal beatdown. That doesn't look uplifting for any player, it just makes the players feel like something is always wrong, they can't get a sense of confidence from that. Personally, I'd rather play under a cooler and calmer captain such as shoaib malik, who always stays relaxed, and thus allowing you to feel more relaxed on the field too.
 
About calling juniors 'beta' it seems to be some sort of trend/tradition in Pakistan, at least from what I have seen in my profession. I had to take a break from my profession for a while due to personal reasons and when I returned I was naturally junior to many of my colleagues who used to be my juniors once. Some started calling me 'beta' when I worked under them even though they used to call me 'bhai jaan' a few years back when I was their senior. Being called 'beta' by people just because they had become senior in job experience, despite being younger in age, did sound strange and annoyed the heck out of me. Eventually I learnt to ignore it. But yes I think Sarfraz does the same and it indeed sounds unprofessional.
 
rocker 88 said:
About calling juniors 'beta' it seems to be some sort of trend/tradition in Pakistan, at least from what I have seen in my profession. I had to take a break from my profession for a while due to personal reasons and when I returned I was naturally junior to many of my colleagues who used to be my juniors once. Some started calling me 'beta' when I worked under them even though they used to call me 'bhai jaan' a few years back when I was their senior. Being called 'beta' by people just because they had become senior in job experience, despite being younger in age, did sound strange and annoyed the heck out of me. Eventually I learnt to ignore it. But yes I think Sarfraz does the same and it indeed sounds unprofessional.
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I've never heard him calling the likes of Malik or Hafeez beta, he usually uses it for the likes of Shadab/Nawaz/Hasan/Babar/Faheem/Imam etc.

Besides Malik, Haris, Fakhar, Junaid and Shan, pretty much all the players currently in the team are 5 or more years junior to Sarfaraz.

Non-issue IMO.
 
can you blame Sarfaraz for being angry at Wahab Riaz?
 
What the hell is he doing?

Going after the bowlers after every freakin delivery.

Shouting his lungs out.
 
Hafeez drops 2 = not a word from Sarfaraz.
 
Hawkeye said:
What the hell is he doing?

Going after the bowlers after every freakin delivery.

Shouting his lungs out.
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If I were a player playing under him, I would be mighty irritated with Sarfaraz...it's a random t20 match, not some WC final...his behavior is quite pathetic..
 
10 series wins out of 10 as T20 captain, but let's keep bumping this thread :)).
 
I watched the match in the end stages. Him walking up to young Shaheen Afridi again and again seemed like putting necessary pressure on the young chap. In fact Shaheen was bowlign well till the point Sarfraz seemed to mess with his head and he started getting hit for boundaries.

Don't over do this. Even if this was a world cup final this was needless. Gotta back your bowler. He knows more about bowling than you do.
 
Haters gonna hate. This is his natural behavior under pressure and none of his players have any problem with it. Some of the reactions here are way over the top, specially from Indians who have absolutely no issues whatsoever with Kohli's antics on the field.
 
mak36 said:
10 series wins out of 10 as T20 captain, but let's keep bumping this thread :)).
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hahaha lets play like acha bachas and keep on losing :p Something which we are accustomed to few years back.
Will always take a winner like Sarfraz. Trophy after trophies since u-19 world cup. Jeo meray janbaaz!
 
In fact he guided shaheen to get maxwell he asked Shaheeen to reduce the pace and that worked for Shaheeen
 
He did the same in Asia cup as well lol. Results were not exactly the same. So his annoying behavior is not exactly the reason why Pakistan won. You should say "inspite of annoying behavior of sarfraz" they won. But over a period it will damage the psyche of bowlers.If the captain is going to show face for each ball , bowlers will start worrying about that more than taking wickets.
 
SarfiBabarHaris said:
hahaha lets play like acha bachas and keep on losing :p Something which we are accustomed to few years back.
Will always take a winner like Sarfraz. Trophy after trophies since u-19 world cup. Jeo meray janbaaz!
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Can we please share his test and odi record as a captain against to teams and his batting average, it will be interesting.
 
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