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I am no fanboy of Babar but honestly who will be full time 3 format captain, if not Babar ? Only Shaheen, Rizwan and Shaheen are confirm 3 format players. Shaheen being a fast bowler cant play 3 formats without taking rests and injury breaks. Rizwan i don't think deserves to play ODI.
 
Cric_lover4487 said:
I am no fanboy of Babar but honestly who will be full time 3 format captain, if not Babar ? Only Shaheen, Rizwan and Shaheen are confirm 3 format players. Shaheen being a fast bowler cant play 3 formats without taking rests and injury breaks. Rizwan i don't think deserves to play ODI.
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Why do you even need a full time all format captain? Which other top team has an one captain policy?
 
This was Babar Azam's squad, he hand-picked these players.

There is not one player in the World Cup squad who Babar did not want in India.

By picking that squad, by standing by them, you are putting your neck on the line.

The fact that they underperformed, the fact that he underperformed as skipper and was probably one of the worst captains at the World Cup, he has to take a large share of the responsibility, as any captain in this position would.
 
Saj said:
This was Babar Azam's squad, he hand-picked these players.

There is not one player in the World Cup squad who Babar did not want in India.

By picking that squad, by standing by them, you are putting your neck on the line.

The fact that they underperformed, the fact that he underperformed as skipper and was probably one of the worst captains at the World Cup, he has to take a large share of the responsibility, as any captain in this position would.
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He was the worst period.

Even the weakest teams like nedtherlands had unity. Junaid Khan rightly pointed out, zero unity amongst ourselves.
 
This timid player is a poison to the team they need to get rid of him and send him packing. Has been playing for several years without anything g to show for. Just cheap numbers and stats against second string attacks and teams like Netherlands
 
Saj said:
This was Babar Azam's squad, he hand-picked these players.

There is not one player in the World Cup squad who Babar did not want in India.

By picking that squad, by standing by them, you are putting your neck on the line.

The fact that they underperformed, the fact that he underperformed as skipper and was probably one of the worst captains at the World Cup, he has to take a large share of the responsibility, as any captain in this position would.
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If Babar had been a manager like me in a company, he would certainly have been fired. He made maximum decisions, disregarded the suggestions from others and was authoritarian. With an attitude-like that, if you don't deliver, you get fired.
 
I've always admired non-subcontinent teams for their lack of hero worship, no excessive PR, and no hype surrounding individual players. They prioritize winning games over individual glory, treating every player equally.
 
Savak said:
Cannot wait for the PCB to brutally axe him as captain. The most frustrating captain and person to put up with. He has made me miss Misbah which is really saying something
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I swear you had an issue with Zaka Ashraf removing him as captain??
 
*** for tat

Every action has an equal reaction

As you sow, shall you reap

PCB is a synonym of chaos instability volatility, now they got it in players performance too much tinkering and favorrtism has led them to worldwide humiliation, cannot see this team winning a test series for next 5-6 years
 
Reality not meeting expectations. Does not have the talent to be a lot better than he is .
 
Despite his inability to play spin, some fans still consider him an elite batter.

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One of the best threads on PP. Sums up the Babar Azam blind following perfectly. These fans are almost as revolting as Misbah's diehard fans
 
Rana said:
I swear you had an issue with Zaka Ashraf removing him as captain??
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Like you once said, his opinions change with the wind. Not sure if he's trying to be relevant or if he has multiple personalities or there's more than one individual positing on his account :ROFLMAO:
 
Like Actors have some blockbuster movies and sometimes flop, same is for Babar , people still drool over his drives
 
Babar azam fans were delusional the moment they claimed that he is the best odi, test and t20 batter for pakistan all time.

The best test batter for pakistan is younis khan and it's not even up for debate. He has a 52 avg, 34 centuries and has scored a century in every country he has played in. His only red flag is sa where he's been poor otherwise he's dominated everywhere including aus.

For Babar to even be in contention for no 1, not only does he need to up that avg to 50 and score atleast 30 test centuries with 10K test runs, but he also needs to score a test century in every nation he's played in of which he hasn't. Barring aus, he has zero test centuries in sa,nZ and eng. He also lacks test centuries in 2 other countries.

In odi and t20 it's a bit debatable since although he averages 56 with 19 odi centuries, he also plays in an easier era and no top order batter from the past Sachin, Pointing and lara included averaged 50+. So the argument is impact in which case saeed Anwar and inzi have him beat. So does yousaf tbf.

In t20 he has 3 t20 centuries with a 39 avg, it's not bad but the strike rate is up for debate. But depending on arguments you can argue whatever.

However test and odi it's clear as day he isn't anywhere close to being the best
 
I think captaincy has ruined him. It’s not just his record after the first time he lost captaincy is worse. Which has happened to quite a few players. Shoaib Malik was an example just fell off as a player after that. But focus on captaincy has taken away from focus on development as a player. Which is no surprise as he had to learn captaincy on the job, being far less experienced and a natural affinity than others.

We just made the same mistake again, appointed a player captain just because they were the best batsman. Captaincy shouldn't be learnt in international cricket like this. He didn’t even have a platform to practice it before captaincy given that Karachi Kings were reluctant to give him captaincy.

Still almost feels like people are happy about his decline. For all his faults, this has been our best batsman over all three formats, consistently performing for about 6/7 years. That really isn’t bad, especially from a nation that doesn’t produce many batsmen. If you dissect nearly all these Pakistani batsmen they’re all a bit overrated with inflation against minnows etc., they don’t compare well with the great batsmen of other countries.
 
ads101 said:
I think captaincy has ruined him. It’s not just his record after the first time he lost captaincy is worse. Which has happened to quite a few players. Shoaib Malik was an example just fell off as a player after that. But focus on captaincy has taken away from focus on development as a player. Which is no surprise as he had to learn captaincy on the job, being far less experienced and a natural affinity than others.

We just made the same mistake again, appointed a player captain just because they were the best batsman. Captaincy shouldn't be learnt in international cricket like this. He didn’t even have a platform to practice it before captaincy given that Karachi Kings were reluctant to give him captaincy.

Still almost feels like people are happy about his decline. For all his faults, this has been our best batsman over all three formats, consistently performing for about 6/7 years. That really isn’t bad, especially from a nation that doesn’t produce many batsmen. If you dissect nearly all these Pakistani batsmen they’re all a bit overrated with inflation against minnows etc., they don’t compare well with the great batsmen of other countries.
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It's very difficult to find captaincy material in Pakistan because most of the players these days are too meek and don't have an idea how to handle the spotlight. Some of Pakistan's ex captains have let fame got to their head.

I don't think there's any issues with making a one of the best or most established players captain, the issue is when you give someone appoint a captain who simply isn't captaincy material.

Babar never had anything going for him as captain. He's not a leader nor does he have the self-confidence to be one.
 
Babar's fan ?, Does he still has any fan, what for ? Either you are true cricket follower or a Babar's fan .
 
topspin said:
Bewal Express, Hitthestump, khyberlion (ex-PakEngFan), major, heddie, caved, daytrader to name a few
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That's OK, everyone has a right to be fan of someone , even Misbah has couple of fans on this forum, don't know why ?
 
Hitman said:
Remember @Bilal7 ? He was claiming before the last ODI WC how his Babbar Sher would roar like a lion and end his career as the greatest ever batsman from Asia.
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Babar just became joint-fastest to 6000 ODI runs, alongside Hashim Amla. Kohli is third on this list. Babar also has the highest average of any batsman at 6000 ODI runs.

It's pretty clear that Babar will end his career as the superior ODI batsman.

In test cricket, I don't see Babar surpassing the greats from Asia but he can certainly end up better than Kohli in this format as well. Kohli has zero accomplishments in test cricket, he has been playing second or third fiddle for pretty much his entire career.

In T20 cricket, Babar has some catching up to do with Kohli but 2/3 is a good place to be for now.
 
Bilal7 said:
Babar just became joint-fastest to 6000 ODI runs, alongside Hashim Amla. Kohli is third on this list. Babar also has the highest average of any batsman at 6000 ODI runs.

It's pretty clear that Babar will end his career as the superior ODI batsman.

In test cricket, I don't see Babar surpassing the greats from Asia but he can certainly end up better than Kohli in this format as well. Kohli has zero accomplishments in test cricket, he has been playing second or third fiddle for pretty much his entire career.

In T20 cricket, Babar has some catching up to do with Kohli but 2/3 is a good place to be for now.
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Wasn't he supposed to roar like a 'babbar sher' and end up as the greatest batsman ever from Asia replacing Tendulkar, according to you? How did the standards fall all of a sudden?
 
Bilal7 said:
Babar just became joint-fastest to 6000 ODI runs, alongside Hashim Amla. Kohli is third on this list. Babar also has the highest average of any batsman at 6000 ODI runs.

It's pretty clear that Babar will end his career as the superior ODI batsman.

In test cricket, I don't see Babar surpassing the greats from Asia but he can certainly end up better than Kohli in this format as well. Kohli has zero accomplishments in test cricket, he has been playing second or third fiddle for pretty much his entire career.

In T20 cricket, Babar has some catching up to do with Kohli but 2/3 is a good place to be for now.
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Babar will end his career as a better ODI batsman than Kohli? I won't even dignify this joke with an opinion 🤡🤡
 
Hitman said:
Wasn't he supposed to roar like a 'babbar sher' and end up as the greatest batsman ever from Asia replacing Tendulkar, according to you? How did the standards fall all of a sudden?
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This is the same guy who wanted Pakistan to select Junaid Khan over Shaheen for the 2019 WC. There's a reason why he only appears before the tournament and then goes into hiding until the next ICC event.
 
Rana said:
He returned around the 2023 World Cup too and made a joke of himself then as well.

This guy was put on the hot seat and he said Rizwan is a better T20 opener than Jaysuriya
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I remember very well bro. I saw it with my own eyes. Substandard poster.
 
Bilal7 said:
Babar just became joint-fastest to 6000 ODI runs, alongside Hashim Amla. Kohli is third on this list. Babar also has the highest average of any batsman at 6000 ODI runs.

It's pretty clear that Babar will end his career as the superior ODI batsman.

In test cricket, I don't see Babar surpassing the greats from Asia but he can certainly end up better than Kohli in this format as well. Kohli has zero accomplishments in test cricket, he has been playing second or third fiddle for pretty much his entire career.

In T20 cricket, Babar has some catching up to do with Kohli but 2/3 is a good place to be for now.
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Absolute joke.

Kohli despite a form slump still avg 58 in odi cricket with over 50 centuries and many of them coming in icc events. Averages in odi don't matter anymore, your icc event performance tally does but kohli's beats babar in virtually every metric in odi cricket be it

Avg, Sr, no of centuries and half centuries, tournament performances etc. Babar being ahead of kohli at the same stage is such a flawed metric since he cashed in on b strings like the one we saw vs sa in the tri series but on current form he can't even cash in on them anymore. Dudes avg has now fallen to 55 from 61.

Kohli sucks in test cricket, no one disagrees but even in test cricket he still has a higher avg, better performances in most countries and will retire with 30 test centuries or who knows he might end up getting 1 to 3 more before he kicks the bucket.

Babar won't ever reach the same tally nor do I believe he'll raise his avg to 46
 
mominsaigol said:
Absolute joke.

Kohli despite a form slump still avg 58 in odi cricket with over 50 centuries and many of them coming in icc events. Averages in odi don't matter anymore, your icc event performance tally does but kohli's beats babar in virtually every metric in odi cricket be it

Avg, Sr, no of centuries and half centuries, tournament performances etc. Babar being ahead of kohli at the same stage is such a flawed metric since he cashed in on b strings like the one we saw vs sa in the tri series but on current form he can't even cash in on them anymore. Dudes avg has now fallen to 55 from 61.

Kohli sucks in test cricket, no one disagrees but even in test cricket he still has a higher avg, better performances in most countries and will retire with 30 test centuries or who knows he might end up getting 1 to 3 more before he kicks the bucket.

Babar won't ever reach the same tally nor do I believe he'll raise his avg to 46
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Funny how I specifically mentioned a verifiable stat that shows Babar is ahead of Kohli at the same stage in their careers but you go and mention Kohli's 50 centuries. Babar will catch up. He also has more World Cups to play, unlike Kohli.

I wouldn't be so confident Kohli ends his test career with an average of 46.
 
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Babar Azam is currently experiencing a slump, which has shaken his confidence. However, with time, patience, and a bit of luck, he'll regain his form and continue to cement his status as one of Pakistan's greatest batsmen
 
Thing is Babar was never a great player.

He is a good accumulator level player.

But Pakistan's last good white ball batsmen were MoYo and Inzy who retired in 2007.

Most Pakistan fans are young (Pakistan is a youngish country) so when Babar came about after a decade of Umar Akmal, Shehzad and the ilk he was overhyped. Also these guys never saw Inzy/MoYo or for that matter, the even older Javed/Saeed who imo are Pakistan's best ODI batsmen.

Add in all the records/rankings he achieved due to weaker teams etc, the hype increased.

He is a solid 45-50 averaging player (w/o B-C teams) and pre 2011 would be a 35-40 averaging player with an 75-85 SR.
 
People just ignore all the stats and records and make assumptions based on assumptions. Babar has a great dip in form and he is having problems but multiplying his achievement in the pat with zero does not fix anything nor it is fair..

Yep, I hope he scores runs now in CT otherwise time is up for him to stay in the team.. Bye bye waiting..
 
Bilal7 said:
Funny how I specifically mentioned a verifiable stat that shows Babar is ahead of Kohli at the same stage in their careers but you go and mention Kohli's 50 centuries. Babar will catch up. He also has more World Cups to play, unlike Kohli.

I wouldn't be so confident Kohli ends his test career with an average of 46.
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I wouldn't be so confident babar catches up to kohli with 50 centuries nor would I be confident he manages to stay on a 42 test avg
 
Bilal7 said:
Funny how I specifically mentioned a verifiable stat that shows Babar is ahead of Kohli at the same stage in their careers but you go and mention Kohli's 50 centuries. Babar will catch up. He also has more World Cups to play, unlike Kohli.

I wouldn't be so confident Kohli ends his test career with an average of 46.
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Babar isn't ahead of Kohli simply because cricket has changed. Kohli played 4 years in the one new ball era and it is only recently (especially post covid) when bilateral ODIs have B/C teams which Babar has taken full advantage of (not his fault).

Babar is 30y 100 odd days old.

Let us take Kohli's career up til that point.

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Kohli averages nearly 60. ABDV, the other great player during that time averages 60+.

Amla, Sanga, Dhoni, Rohit etc all average nearly 50.

So gap of Kohli/ABDV vs the next tier is almost 10.

Kohli had 10k+ runs with 40 centuries.

From Babar's debut to now.

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Overshadowed by both Kohli and Rohit who has better average, more runs, more centuries and this includes 4-5 years of Kohli/Rohit past their 2018/19 peaks in their late 30s.

Mind you, this also includes the innumerable Zimbabwe series as well as B/C attacks especially during IPL which the other batsmen didn't get.

Even if you do post covid, when Babar became the "king" Shubman has a better average and SR. And Shubman actually opens and we are all seeing Babar's opening exploits.

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Anyone still defending Babar really needs their head read. He is definitely the most useless batsman in the team. The only “batsman” more useless than Babar is probably Khushdil, but even then Khushdil can bowl. Babar is officially the most useless player in the team.

An absolute embarassment.
 
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Yeah. This kid is delusional..


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Case against fan for breaching security to meet Babar Azam

A case has been registered against a young fan who entered the players’ dressing room during the ongoing Pakistan-South Africa Test Match in Lahore, police confirmed on Thursday.

The incident occurred when the boy, reportedly a fan of Pakistan captain Babar Azam, managed to slip past security personnel and reach the team’s dressing area in an attempt to take a selfie with his favorite cricketer.

Authorities immediately took the youth into custody, and a formal case was registered at the local police station.

According to police officials, the case includes sections related to entering a prohibited area and interfering in government affairs. The youth’s identity has not been disclosed, but officials said an investigation is underway to determine how he managed to gain unauthorized access.


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Case against fan for breaching dressing room security to meet Babar Azam

Fan enters Pakistan dressing room to meet Babar Azam; police register case, PCB to tighten stadium security with new protective fencing.
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Cricket Warrior said:
Case against fan for breaching security to meet Babar Azam

A case has been registered against a young fan who entered the players’ dressing room during the ongoing Pakistan-South Africa Test Match in Lahore, police confirmed on Thursday.

The incident occurred when the boy, reportedly a fan of Pakistan captain Babar Azam, managed to slip past security personnel and reach the team’s dressing area in an attempt to take a selfie with his favorite cricketer.

Authorities immediately took the youth into custody, and a formal case was registered at the local police station.

According to police officials, the case includes sections related to entering a prohibited area and interfering in government affairs. The youth’s identity has not been disclosed, but officials said an investigation is underway to determine how he managed to gain unauthorized access.


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Case against fan for breaching dressing room security to meet Babar Azam

Fan enters Pakistan dressing room to meet Babar Azam; police register case, PCB to tighten stadium security with new protective fencing.
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this cannot take place without the assistance of someone within the security team

it's even more concerning because of the current situation with the TTP Afghan border)

most likely this kid has a friend or relative in security team.
 
Sachin fan said:
Babar fans remind me of the Snyder cult online.
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@mods, please move my comment to Time pass but I found this comment interesting which is why I wanna talk to @Sachin fan about this. Always great to see another DC fan.

Any no disrepect brother but that analogy makes zero sense?

Snyder was opting for an injustice like dark universe and he achieved it by giving us a great justice league movie.

He botched it with BVS and Man of steel due to Warner brothers interference.

Yes James Gunn is better but Gunn is giving into public perception on how dc characyers are while Snyder plan was to

A) Create a dark version of Superman and a dark universe in general.

B) Eventually reset the timeline with flash point.

C) And finally give us the DC universe we know and love with our beloved characters.

While James Gunn is outright starting with an established universe.

The Sydner hate makes no sense when you guys begged him to get his JL movie out and it was a 🔥 film.
 
The fans in Pakistan and other countries always cheer their local heroes.

I remember Javed Miandad coming to bat when Pakistan only needed a few runs to win in one-sided games in Karachi. The crowd used to go crazy.

Lahore is Babar's city. It is expected that the crowd will cheer for him, particularly when he is going through a bad patch.
Crowd's reaction is only natural and definitely not absurd.

Hopefully, Babar would be able to use the reaction of the crowd as a fuel to improve his form


The Pak players have been disadvantaged for more than a decade. They hardly used to get to play in front of their own crowd. A lot of BS stats are used to compare the recent Pak players with the players of other countries. Don't let the other countries' players play at their homes for more than a decade and I'll see what their stats would look like then.


Having said all that - I am of of the opinion that Babar should not be included in the T20 team with his current form...
 
tiger_khan said:
The fans in Pakistan and other countries always cheer their local heroes.

I remember Javed Miandad coming to bat when Pakistan only needed a few runs to win in one-sided games in Karachi. The crowd used to go crazy.

Lahore is Babar's city. It is expected that the crowd will cheer for him, particularly when he is going through a bad patch.
Crowd's reaction is only natural and definitely not absurd.

Hopefully, Babar would be able to use the reaction of the crowd as a fuel to improve his form


The Pak players have been disadvantaged for more than a decade. They hardly used to get to play in front of their own crowd. A lot of BS stats are used to compare the recent Pak players with the players of other countries. Don't let the other countries' players play at their homes for more than a decade and I'll see what their stats would look like then.


Having said all that - I am of of the opinion that Babar should not be included in the T20 team with his current form...
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Bro I generally agree with a lot of what you have to say, but we’ve milked this “not playing at home” long enough. There have been enough games at home over the last 4 years. And the sad thing is the fans don’t even turn up a lot of the time.
 
TheSultan said:
Bro I generally agree with a lot of what you have to say, but we’ve milked this “not playing at home” long enough. There have been enough games at home over the last 4 years. And the sad thing is the fans don’t even turn up a lot of the time.
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You are entitled to your opinion. I respect it.

However, not playing on your home grounds for more than a decade does play a huge role. Not saying that it is particularly influencing the form of current players but their overall stats would have been better.

When you play at your home grounds, you have reference points for each ground. Whether you are a bowler or a batsman, the reference points help. Reference point example - the nature of the pitch, bowling run-ups, the height of the sun during the day and the effect of lighting in general, the weather conditions, etc.

Our domestic cricket is mostly played in winter. Historically the foreign teams toured us in winter. For more than a decade we were hosting teams in the heat of middle east and cricket conditions which are not similar to Pakistan. Senior players can adjust to it quickly but the players who are just starting their international careers struggle. Although we were able to produce good results because of the seniors but our younger players struggled. That's why they were not able to fill the seniors' shoes when they retired.

I can speak from personal experience. Most of the international grounds in Pakistan don't even have a slope. The grounds in other countries where it rains often, if you are standing at deep extra covers, you can only see half of the body of the fielder who is standing at the deep mid wicket. There is that much slope.

How it affects the cricket game? A pacer like me has to run up the hill every ball in my runup. A batter gets more out the placement of their shots because all they have to do is place it. Whether you are bowling or batting, there are huge implications on your technique, depending on grounds. (That's why most of our young batters when hitting the ball look like as if they are going to tear the ball (golf swing), meanwhile batters of other teams rely on timing).

Our legends did not have to go through this. Half of their games were played on the grounds they knew well. They played their Department and Age-Limit cricket on home grounds.


Furthermore, the crowd has not been showing up in Pakistan because of poor performances. Once the team starts doing well they will be back. One of the reasons we used to de very well in the 80s and 90s in Sharjah was that the crowd was predominantly Pakistani. Now the tables have turned. There are more Indians in the foreign stadiums than Pakistanis and they do have an effect on our green team.


PS: I can go on and on this topic. Even the weight distribution of the bats matter. That's why most of our batters struggle pulling and hooking. Their bats are bottom heavy. Some are smart and have started to play with foreign bats (not only using their stickers).
 
tiger_khan said:
You are entitled to your opinion. I respect it.

However, not playing on your home grounds for more than a decade does play a huge role. Not saying that it is particularly influencing the form of current players but their overall stats would have been better.

When you play at your home grounds, you have reference points for each ground. Whether you are a bowler or a batsman, the reference points help. Reference point example - the nature of the pitch, bowling run-ups, the height of the sun during the day and the effect of lighting in general, the weather conditions, etc.

Our domestic cricket is mostly played in winter. Historically the foreign teams toured us in winter. For more than a decade we were hosting teams in the heat of middle east and cricket conditions which are not similar to Pakistan. Senior players can adjust to it quickly but the players who are just starting their international careers struggle. Although we were able to produce good results because of the seniors but our younger players struggled. That's why they were not able to fill the seniors' shoes when they retired.

I can speak from personal experience. Most of the international grounds in Pakistan don't even have a slope. The grounds in other countries where it rains often, if you are standing at deep extra covers, you can only see half of the body of the fielder who is standing at the deep mid wicket. There is that much slope.

How it affects the cricket game? A pacer like me has to run up the hill every ball in my runup. A batter gets more out the placement of their shots because all they have to do is place it. Whether you are bowling or batting, there are huge implications on your technique, depending on grounds. (That's why most of our young batters when hitting the ball look like as if they are going to tear the ball (golf swing), meanwhile batters of other teams rely on timing).

Our legends did not have to go through this. Half of their games were played on the grounds they knew well. They played their Department and Age-Limit cricket on home grounds.


Furthermore, the crowd has not been showing up in Pakistan because of poor performances. Once the team starts doing well they will be back. One of the reasons we used to de very well in the 80s and 90s in Sharjah was that the crowd was predominantly Pakistani. Now the tables have turned. There are more Indians in the foreign stadiums than Pakistanis and they do have an effect on our green team.


PS: I can go on and on this topic. Even the weight distribution of the bats matter. That's why most of our batters struggle pulling and hooking. Their bats are bottom heavy. Some are smart and have started to play with foreign bats (not only using their stickers).
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Of course there are advantages playing at home, and yes of course they should cheer on Pakistani players, but this new thing about fans waiting for a batsman to get out so babar can get in something new, weird and may even be contrived.

It’s either contrived or just a sad indictment of the knowledge of our fans in this era. The miandad comparison is not quite right - Javed invariably performed a lot more regularly. Babar has literally done nothing for about 3 years, so this over love of him seems very off.

There’s also a difference with fans waiting for Shahid Afridi - his record wasn’t great, but they all wanted Afridi’s style of play. Babar’s style is neither here nor there - very meh. What are the fans even looking forward to - a textbook forward defensive?

And your last point about bats - if true it’s pure jahalat on the players’ part. In this day and age, even kids are getting bats especially made for different conditions here in the UK. Surely an international batsman can do the same as a kid
 
TheSultan said:
Of course there are advantages playing at home, and yes of course they should cheer on Pakistani players, but this new thing about fans waiting for a batsman to get out so babar can get in something new, weird and may even be contrived.

It’s either contrived or just a sad indictment of the knowledge of our fans in this era. The miandad comparison is not quite right - Javed invariably performed a lot more regularly. Babar has literally done nothing for about 3 years, so this over love of him seems very off.

There’s also a difference with fans waiting for Shahid Afridi - his record wasn’t great, but they all wanted Afridi’s style of play. Babar’s style is neither here nor there - very meh. What are the fans even looking forward to - a textbook forward defensive?

And your last point about bats - if true it’s pure jahalat on the players’ part. In this day and age, even kids are getting bats especially made for different conditions here in the UK. Surely an international batsman can do the same as a kid
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I'll be honest with you...I didn't watch the game. I am working only with my assumptions. I am assuming that Babar got the usual cheers from the crowd, which a local national popular player gets when he walks in. I can't really infer if it was over the top because I didn't see it. May be you are right.

It really doesn't matter if a player is great or not. Usually the local crowds cheer their own.


As far as bats are concerned. Most of the Pakistani batters, even if they have customized bats, the bats are bottom heavy. That's why they struggle with the backfoot game against teh genuine fast bowlers - E.G. Azhar Ali, Sarfaraz, etc. Even Younis Khan and Misbah,
 
tiger_khan said:
The fans in Pakistan and other countries always cheer their local heroes.

I remember Javed Miandad coming to bat when Pakistan only needed a few runs to win in one-sided games in Karachi. The crowd used to go crazy.

Lahore is Babar's city. It is expected that the crowd will cheer for him, particularly when he is going through a bad patch.
Crowd's reaction is only natural and definitely not absurd.

Hopefully, Babar would be able to use the reaction of the crowd as a fuel to improve his form


The Pak players have been disadvantaged for more than a decade. They hardly used to get to play in front of their own crowd. A lot of BS stats are used to compare the recent Pak players with the players of other countries. Don't let the other countries' players play at their homes for more than a decade and I'll see what their stats would look like then.


Having said all that - I am of of the opinion that Babar should not be included in the T20 team with his current form...
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Babar gets extraordinary support all over the world not just his home city or country. I was there at Pindi stadium when he was coming on to bat, the stadium is small but it was exploding by the cheers. Unbelievable. He is the face of Pakistan cricket. They can love it or hate it but they can't deny it.
 
Babar scoring runs or not, he pulls the crowd in and people love him... They are actually praying that he comes out to bat which is a bit too much because we don't want this team to collapse...LOL

But that cheer from crowd for Babar was next levle.
 
BouncerGuy said:
Babar scoring runs or not, he pulls the crowd in and people love him... They are actually praying that he comes out to bat which is a bit too much because we don't want this team to collapse...LOL

But that cheer from crowd for Babar was next levle.
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Makes no sense, especially these days when he is out of form. Cheers like this for Afridi, Viv or when some player is in form or something. Look at the results. Not sure why fans are still crazy for him.
 
mon858 said:
Makes no sense, especially these days when he is out of form. Cheers like this for Afridi, Viv or when some player is in form or something. Look at the results. Not sure why fans are still crazy for him.
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Haha... don't get jealous
 
mon858 said:
Makes no sense, especially these days when he is out of form. Cheers like this for Afridi, Viv or when some player is in form or something. Look at the results. Not sure why fans are still crazy for him.
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I don't want to be that guy, but he's been Pakistan's shining light ever since the 2015 WC where Misbah and Afridi both retired from ODIs, getting someone who is consistent, plays at a decent SR, played some role in the 2017 CT, played very well in the 2019 WC, and I'd say most notably he along with Rizwan gave Pakistan their first ever victory against India in a WC match in 2021, and that is very meaningful and stays in the hearts of fans.
 
lol those cheers were louder than when an Indian wicket fell to bring Sachin in.

Poor Rahul Dravid often got a loud cheer when he was out because it meant Sachin was walking in.

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imran1976 said:
some individuals are furious that Pakistanis like Babar Azam 😂
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I think they are furious that they like Babar more than the team and cheer for their own youngsters getting out because Babar will come in.

Context matters and I think all countries will be furious at such fans. We have some delusional Kohli fans doing the same.

Youngsters are the future and need to be given the most encouragement and support. Imagine how Farhan who has been doing so well recently is feeling because his wicket is being cheered by his own fans.

Pant was being booed by dhoni fans and started making mistakes in keeping and batting in his first couple of years because of this. His career was on the verge of being over and he was dropped. If not for Kohli being flown back and he getting one chance, he would have been forever lost as a talent.

These things have a huge consequences on the psyche of young cricketers who are already under pressure starting intentional cricket. These things affect the future trajectory of a nation. Asian countries do this way more than other countries.
 
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