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This should have been avoided. Dhoni shouldn’t have brought his personal ‘interest’ to the cricket field. I don’t understand why people here see it as such a huge issue though.
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Needless. The biggest tribute that MS could pay to the armed forces is to win the cup.
Instead of spending all your time, energy and efforts on bettering ones performance on the field, why get into all of these needless distractions?
The ICC is right in their stand. If they give an exception now, God knows which player would come with what message from which angle and justify their stand. Better to keep all these at an arms length.
The Indian fans too need not become too emotional about it. The ICC is just trying to be neutral. So just move on and focus on the next game. There is already too much pressure and expectations on the field.
This should have been avoided. Dhoni shouldn’t have brought his personal ‘interest’ to the cricket field. I don’t understand why people here see it as such a huge issue though.
The best thing about it is that Dhoni has managed to rattle Pakistan camp and has the 16th June match up perfectly.
India one step ahead now wrt mind games.
Pressure back on Pakistan.
Its a huge issue in india. Sunil Gavaskar was openly mocking people saying that yes indian team should listen to crazy people on the street and boycott the event just like people have been demanding, if this is the way to gain anything.Azharuddin rightly said that Dhoni knew he wasn't allowed to wear it as it is in the contact, but more than Dhoni he held the indian team manager responsible for the fiasco.
Once again, I am not arguing that whether it was (or wasn’t) a breach of an ICC code.
My point is that sporting a small symbol that is (a) not very visible and (b) is highly unrecognizable to the point that no one outside India even knows what it is means should not be a big deal.
If ICC have a problem with this, they may as well nan Dhoni’s camouflage backpack.
Think things have snowballed out of control and now its "izzat ka mamla"
BCCI should de-escalate the issue by some back room diplomacy with ICC as this wont end nicely for them.
The Indian media has taken it up. That’s why. Most of us here feel Dhoni should have avoided this controversy. But we don’t see it as a crime either.
You guys should have called it ‘ridiculous’ and moved on. Anyone reading this thread would get the impression that Pakistanis are hurt by what Dhoni did. You shouldn’t be. Literally every thread started here in the last couple of days reflects a very unhealthy obsession towards India.
Instead of preaching us what to do, you should be preaching your own countrymen.Whats happening on your streets and in your media do matters as the whole world is watching.Pak obsession can be clearly seen on indian channel on this same issue.
And yes its time for your countrymen to move on, enough tamasha already, like gavaskar said "joh chata hain india me kuch bhi bolta hai"
Instead of preaching us what to do, you should be preaching your own countrymen.Whats happening on your streets and in your media do matters as the whole world is watching.
Pak obsession can be clearly seen on indian channel on this same issue.
And yes its time for your countrymen to move on, enough tamasha already, like gavaskar said "joh chata hain india me kuch bhi bolta hai"
I don’t see anything like you mentioned on the streets here in Mumbai.
I can send you the link of tv show where the host is talking to Gavaskar,Azharuddin and others and he mentions public on street demanding indian team to come back.
Why do you think gavaskar has been giving sarcastic statement? obviously in response to demands of deranged people.
You have decided that whole of India is behind this story. We have a lot on our plates already. Only a part of the cow belt is going behind this.
Public on streets is a figure of speech for heaven's sake. You know it.
I can send you the link of tv show where the host is talking to Gavaskar,Azharuddin and others and he mentions public on street demanding indian team to come back.
Why do you think gavaskar has been giving sarcastic statement? obviously in response to demands of deranged people.
Lol why should the visibility of the symbol even matter? Rules are rules.
By that logic, Moeen's bracelet that was even smaller and less visible, should have been allowed too. They literally had to magnify it to even read what was written on it.
ICC would bend its Knee infront of mighty BCCI but theyb are only worried about retaliation from Pak players and it could easily become ugly
Tbh i feel all this is being done to hype the June 16 match
Yes rules are rules, but I am arguing that exceptions could be made for symbols that are quite small and recognizable.
Moeen’s bracelet was not prominent, but “Save Gaza” is very recognizable. After all, it is one of the biggest conflicts in the modern world.
The Indian army insignia is not recognizable at all. The vast majority of us didn’t even know what an Indian army insignia looks like.
I think this is nitpicking by the ICC and they have created a controversy which most likely would have been avoided.
Where will this stop then? Next you'll see Pakistanis wearing army armbands and Bangladeshis wearing camouflage caps.
It sets a wrong precedence. You have to nip this sort of nonsense in the bud.
So a pretty much unknown symbol brought to the attention of the ICC.
By whom?
1. PCB via some tip from the military
2. Pakistan fans - with some curiosity about what that was
3. Indian fans - discussing between themselves and the ICC picked it up
Wondering how this even became an issue?
People are protesting, whether on street, in school or offices, doesn't really matter.
Yes rules are rules, but I am arguing that exceptions could be made for symbols that are quite small and recognizable.
Moeen’s bracelet was not prominent, but “Save Gaza” is very recognizable. After all, it is one of the biggest conflicts in the modern world.
The Indian army insignia is not recognizable at all. The vast majority of us didn’t even know what an Indian army insignia looks like.
I think this is nitpicking by the ICC and they have created a controversy which most likely would have been avoided.
people protects on internet, not outernet...
on topic it's pointless controversy, he just have to remove this since ICC asking, it's nothing to do with Patriotism..
He's not wearing it today and won't be from now on apparently.
He doesn't wear Indian tricolour either in IPL.
He chose to wear the honoured insignia for the best global tournament when representing his country. Will always have my respect though I'm not a huge fan of Dhoni of last 3-4 years
So he wanted to make a political statement and it wasn't out of any sort of respect for the Indian Army? No wonder he was asked to remove the insignia.
Well done ICC.
He doesn't wear Indian tricolour either in IPL.
He chose to wear the honoured insignia for the best global tournament when representing his country. Will always have my respect though I'm not a huge fan of Dhoni of last 3-4 years
Absolutely idiotic to be wearing army gloves on a cricket field. Wait till others break out ISI and MI5 caps and LTTE insignias. Stupid when Dhoni does it, stupid when Misbah does it at Lords.
Sometimes sports get conflated up with causes such as racism, cancer awareness, even injustice etc - where supporting arguments are strong.
But glorifying your countries army is just so childish and a 3rd rate way to win respect - Whether you are performing or not on your day job.
Symbolic gestures have always been used on sports field - most recent bring athletes around the world taking a knee to support the BLM movement. Cannot have an either or situation.
He doesn't wear Indian tricolour either in IPL.
He chose to wear the honoured insignia for the best global tournament when representing his country. Will always have my respect though I'm not a huge fan of Dhoni of last 3-4 years
Dhoni wore the insignia of his regiment.
Regarding ICC, well that Manohar was trying too hard to keep his votes together. Sadly he still had to leave and his lackey Imran Khawaja has little chance of winning.
Is it happening on the cricket field while playing a cricket match??Is it okay for MS Dhoni to keep bringing the Indian Army into the context of cricket every time?
Alright, but is there a need of posting on official csk handle?Is it happening on the cricket field while playing a cricket match??
An IPL franchise honoring Indian Army heroes on an Indian military victory. and Dhoni being an Honorary Lr. Col. seems appropriate. What's the issue here? A Domestic franchise, a retired cricketer and an hon. Army officer.
Do we want to search PCB's official handles with regards to Pakistan Army? Shall we?Alright, but is there a need of posting on official csk handle?
Here i am talking about CSK , not pcb or bcciDo we want to search PCB's official handles with regards to Pakistan Army? Shall we?
This is a domestic T20 franchise during an off season and simply honoring Indian Army. I really dont get the trigger here?
Then I have already covered it, its a local franchise. Why should that matter what a local franchise does?Here i am talking about CSK , not pcb or bcci
Is USA a benchmark?Then I have already covered it, its a local franchise. Why should that matter what a local franchise does?
Local sports franchises in USA regularly honor their military veterans in their games, this is nowhere close to that even.
What's the benchmark ? Please share. now rejected local franchises example from USA. If dive deep enough we might find local sports cricket bodies honoring military veterans of their respective nations.Is USA a benchmark?
Let's take a county example now! Just one casual google search, no one talks about it because its a non-issue anywhere except at international level. Where it can get political.Is USA a benchmark?
let me know if any other franchise league cricket has done it. because i am talking about franchise league cricketWhat's the benchmark ? Please share. now rejected local franchises example from USA. If dive deep enough we might find local sports cricket bodies honoring military veterans of their respective nations.
What is your appropriate benchmark.. lets hear that.
HAHA, very very specific. but literally too easy. Just one min google search. I have never watched a PSL game, but I can just guess how many times Pak Army generals would be seen floating around and getting lauded for the safe keeping of Pakistan cricket.let me know if any other franchise league cricket has done it. because i am talking about franchise league cricket
Team captain Sarfraz Ahmed who sported a military jacket and cap on the occasion, said meeting local fans was memorable for him.let me know if any other franchise league cricket has done it. because i am talking about franchise league cricket
Pcb is the benchmarkWhat's the benchmark ? Please share. now rejected local franchises example from USA. If dive deep enough we might find local sports cricket bodies honoring military veterans of their respective nations.
What is your appropriate benchmark.. lets hear that.
Is it okay for MS Dhoni to keep bringing the Indian Army into the context of cricket every time?
You're off track, bro. They weren't giving gifts or paying tributes. They were in Quetta and were provided security by the military.Team captain Sarfraz Ahmed who sported a military jacket and cap on the occasion, said meeting local fans was memorable for him.
You're off track, bro. They weren't giving gifts or paying tributes. They were in Quetta and were provided security by the military.
Case is open. Because you failed to show me any posts from PSL, CPL, or MLC involving the army in their setup.By that stretch Indian Army provides protection to all Indians. case Closed. Lets move on!
the article i Shared has a PSL franchise celebrated and honored by an Amry and the franchise captain wearing Army jacket of all things. What more you need as prrof. PSL franchises cricketers shooting across the LOC?Case is open. Because you failed to show me any posts from PSL, CPL, or MLC involving the army in their setup.
yeh lo bhaiCase is open. Because you failed to show me any posts from PSL, CPL, or MLC involving the army in their setup.
Case is open. Because you failed to show me any posts from PSL, CPL, or MLC involving the army in their setup.
Now it makes sense