Mirpur express
Local Club Regular
- Joined
- Feb 12, 2013
- Runs
- 1,504
Not every Biddah is innovation.
It is. *.. there are two types of biddah “innovation” good & bad & this particular one is bad . Hope this educates you
Follow along with the video below to see how to install our site as a web app on your home screen.
Note: this_feature_currently_requires_accessing_site_using_safari
Not every Biddah is innovation.
It is. *.. there are two types of biddah “innovation” good & bad & this particular one is bad . Hope this educates you
Don't usually comment on these topics as religion, its obedience is a very personal thing. There should be free will to how any one wants to celebrate any achievement, if any one wants to thank his maker by doing sajda or any other such gesture he should be doing that and without anyone judging.
Regarding Sarfaraz and Naseem interaction, if Sarfaraz asked him to do sajda then it was wrong in my opinion. Its upto Naseem how he wants to celebrate that occasion and if he wants to thank his maker its upto him how he would want to do so. If Naseem asked Sarfaraz for a reminder then thats fine but, otherwise it doesn't make sense.
One can maybe encourage people to do things one feels are right but, doing sajda (While not in prayer) on the field/office/tennis court etc. after a milestone is nothing which is bestowed upon any one to do so (There are numerous ways to thank God, including in your heart). If anyone wants to do it, so be it but, not sure asking or telling someone to do so is something that should be avoided.
Don't usually comment on these topics as religion, its obedience is a very personal thing. There should be free will to how any one wants to celebrate any achievement, if any one wants to thank his maker by doing sajda or any other such gesture he should be doing that and without anyone judging.
Regarding Sarfaraz and Naseem interaction, if Sarfaraz asked him to do sajda then it was wrong in my opinion. Its upto Naseem how he wants to celebrate that occasion and if he wants to thank his maker its upto him how he would want to do so. If Naseem asked Sarfaraz for a reminder then thats fine but, otherwise it doesn't make sense.
One can maybe encourage people to do things one feels are right but, doing sajda (While not in prayer) on the field/office/tennis court etc. after a milestone is nothing which is bestowed upon any one to do so (There are numerous ways to thank God, including in your heart). If anyone wants to do it, so be it but, not sure asking or telling someone to do so is something that should be avoided.
The video is in this thread above.
From what I see, its Sarf telling a young person to thank Allah - whether its with a Sajda or by looking up - is all good.
I see M Salah doing a Sajda when he scores for LFC - its highly appreciated by the fans; For some reason the same thing is an issue for others.
To each their own and I do respect both points of views
But to say one is wrong is not right.
I think the problem is people like you.Unfortunately we Pakistanis have to bring religion into every possible place to make a show of how pious we are. It is embarrassing when players do this. I would rather they kept religion off the pitch and in their hearts instead of making a show. It is especially awkward when their supposed religiousity does not match up with their off field activities.
Unfortunately we Pakistanis have to bring religion into every possible place to make a show of how pious we are. It is embarrassing when players do this. I would rather they kept religion off the pitch and in their hearts instead of making a show. It is especially awkward when their supposed religiousity does not match up with their off field activities.
Sad to see people focusing on trivial things rather then cricket. To the anti Sajda brigade - Not everyone is ashamed of their religion and culture and are not afraid to express their joy using a religious symbol. Who are you to deny them that right? Are you the role model to be followed? Let’s keep the chat to cricket please and leave personal issues as something that is not your business.
In cricket we are condition to do these religious acts.Unfortunately we Pakistanis have to bring religion into every possible place to make a show of how pious we are. It is embarrassing when players do this. I would rather they kept religion off the pitch and in their hearts instead of making a show. It is especially awkward when their supposed religiousity does not match up with their off field activities.
Sad to see people focusing on trivial things rather then cricket. To the anti Sajda brigade - Not everyone is ashamed of their religion and culture and are not afraid to express their joy using a religious symbol. Who are you to deny them that right? Are you the role model to be followed? Let’s keep the chat to cricket please and leave personal issues as something that is not your business.
It does not matter whether they are coerced. That’s their business. It’s none of our business. I suggest the people who find it concerning are either non-Muslims or Muslims with inferiority complexes or Muslims who are ashamed to be Muslims. It’s a shame. This is a cricket site so stop interfering in areas of no concern to cricket.
It does not matter whether they are coerced. That’s their business. It’s none of our business. I suggest the people who find it concerning are either non-Muslims or Muslims with inferiority complexes or Muslims who are ashamed to be Muslims. It’s a shame. This is a cricket site so stop interfering in areas of no concern to cricket.
Its their personal choice and its not illegal but in my opinion , its a ridiculous act, nothing to do with religion , just a showy act or they just follow the trend. The way Sarfraz forced Naseem to that, showed it was not a natural act he wanted to do.
It has everything to do with religion bowing.
Yes of course, its a religious act, he's not denying that, he's just pointing out its just become automated, like an order has been given out to perform it after milestones regardless of the strength of religious belief.
But then again, even if a player has strong religious beliefs, doesn't matter if they perform sajda or not.
It has everything to do with religion bowing.
Which religion ? just curious . Where was this "religious" act prior to Inzi era ?
Which religion ? just curious . Where was this "religious" act prior to Inzi era ?
I remember the Inzi era, when any player prostrating was automatically deemed as being pressured by big bad Inzi, the Daarhiwaala Aaloo!
Fast forward 15 years (wow, how time flies), he is no where to be seen in the team, around it, management etc. yet how he is forcing these new breed of players to prostrate after every decent milestone is beyong amazing, it is unreal. How do you guys think he is still managing to do it after all these years when in Rameez as PCB main man, we have someone who has never shown any religious inclinations or affiliations.
Perhaps Inzamam established the culture in the dressing room and his successors (Sarfraz's "Sajda Kar") are ably following the trend?
I'm sure majority of the players do it because they think they will be in trouble if they didn't do it . I don't think current players are more religious , they just don't possess the sort of self confidence the players from pre-Inzi era had, they were more educated and self confident . You think Majid , Imran , Sarfraz or Mohsin Khan would do this showy act, never. Could Inzi or Sarfraz force them , --- you now the answer.
In the celebration of a reaching a milestone, players can to whatever they feel like. Let them exercise their right and freedom. And I don't stop them.
However, on my personal level, if I have to put some assumptions together and connect the dots then this what I feel,
Had Usman Khawajja been playing for Pakistan and scored that century, he would've most likely given the show off Sajda.
Same goes with Amla and M Ali.
But since they have no cultural pressure to display hypocrisy by wearing a religious cloak, they didn't have to prostrate. Again, if anyone wants to do it, they are free to do, I have no problem with it.
IMO,
"DISPLAYING" of this religiosity in sporting events, really doesnt sit too well.
There are much, much better ways to show your "musalmaniyet and your emaan"
Many of the things these Sajda giving players, do off the camera, do not actually represent the message these guys try to give by giving these show off sajdas in front of the camera.
I have heard that Rizwan is perhaps the most religious in the team as many players have said that he has established 5 daily prayers on time.
And I see that he doesn't perform these display sajdas. He slightly raises hands and looks at the sky in a quick gesture to thank the heavens.
IMO, that's truly a very good and decent way to Thank God in the middle of a sporting event when you have reached a milestone.
In the celebration of a reaching a milestone, players can to whatever they feel like. Let them exercise their right and freedom. And I don't stop them.
However, on my personal level, if I have to put some assumptions together and connect the dots then this what I feel,
Had Usman Khawajja been playing for Pakistan and scored that century, he would've most likely given the show off Sajda.
Same goes with Amla and M Ali.
But since they have no cultural pressure to display hypocrisy by wearing a religious cloak, they didn't have to prostrate. Again, if anyone wants to do it, they are free to do, I have no problem with it.
IMO,
"DISPLAYING" of this religiosity in sporting events, really doesnt sit too well.
There are much, much better ways to show your "musalmaniyet and your emaan"
Many of the things these Sajda giving players, do off the camera, do not actually represent the message these guys try to give by giving these show off sajdas in front of the camera.
I have heard that Rizwan is perhaps the most religious in the team as many players have said that he has established 5 daily prayers on time.
And I see that he doesn't perform these display sajdas. He slightly raises hands and looks at the sky in a quick gesture to thank the heavens.
IMO, that's truly a very good and decent way to Thank God in the middle of a sporting event when you have reached a milestone.
In the celebration of a reaching a milestone, players can to whatever they feel like. Let them exercise their right and freedom. And I don't stop them.
However, on my personal level, if I have to put some assumptions together and connect the dots then this what I feel,
Had Usman Khawajja been playing for Pakistan and scored that century, he would've most likely given the show off Sajda.
Same goes with Amla and M Ali.
But since they have no cultural pressure to display hypocrisy by wearing a religious cloak, they didn't have to prostrate. Again, if anyone wants to do it, they are free to do, I have no problem with it.
IMO,
"DISPLAYING" of this religiosity in sporting events, really doesnt sit too well.
There are much, much better ways to show your "musalmaniyet and your emaan"
Many of the things these Sajda giving players, do off the camera, do not actually represent the message these guys try to give by giving these show off sajdas in front of the camera.
I have heard that Rizwan is perhaps the most religious in the team as many players have said that he has established 5 daily prayers on time.
And I see that he doesn't perform these display sajdas. He slightly raises hands and looks at the sky in a quick gesture to thank the heavens.
IMO, that's truly a very good and decent way to Thank God in the middle of a sporting event when you have reached a milestone.
Yes, this is nothing but a cheap way of showing off in front of camera, nothing to do with religion . We all know how much religion likes of Imam, Babar and others follow and we all know their "kartoot" off the field .
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Pakistan and Afghanistan cricketers praying together ahead of the Asia Cup in UAE <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a> <a href="https://t.co/dYddGIZq1l">pic.twitter.com/dYddGIZq1l</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@SajSadiqCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/SajSadiqCricket/status/1562778265135497218?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 25, 2022</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Pakistan and Afghanistan cricketers praying together ahead of the Asia Cup in UAE <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a> <a href="https://t.co/dYddGIZq1l">pic.twitter.com/dYddGIZq1l</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@SajSadiqCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/SajSadiqCricket/status/1562778265135497218?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 25, 2022</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Pakistan and Afghanistan cricketers praying together ahead of the Asia Cup in UAE <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a> <a href="https://t.co/dYddGIZq1l">pic.twitter.com/dYddGIZq1l</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@SajSadiqCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/SajSadiqCricket/status/1562778265135497218?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 25, 2022</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Another form of hypocrisy.
The amount of hate, heinousness and malice, many of these Afghani players harbor in their hearts against Pakistan and Pakistani players, is attempted to be covered by an act of show off "religiosity".
What is a sajda and what is it done for?
Oh no!
Another player thanking his Creator? and not from Pakistan?
This is Rehan Ahmed after his 5fer in Karachi
Naseem after his 5fer