[PICTURES] Prostrating oneself or doing sajda after getting to milestones

[Ashmal]

I just saw Md Abbas do a Sajda after his 5-fer in a random County match.

He did it in an empty stadium with hardly any media coverage and obviously there was no one from Pakistan team management to force him to do it.

Still...we have armchair experts trying to convince us that it's being forced upon the players by the team management....and how the players do it just for media coverage and PR to fool the public.

I hope people get some sense back and get over it.

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

I just saw Md Abbas do a Sajda after his 5-fer in a random County match.

He did it in an empty stadium with hardly any media coverage and obviously there was no one from Pakistan team management to force him to do it.

Still...we have armchair experts trying to convince us that it's being forced upon the players by the team management....and how the players do it just for media coverage and PR to fool the public.

I hope people get some sense back and get over it.

And all the others were getting on their knees too kissing their crosses and singing praises. Jews, Christians, Hindus everyone rejoicing in an empty stadium for that glorious heavenly milestone . No it was just the one person making a statement when nothing needed to be said. One thing being misunderstood and totally another behaving oddly in front of strangers

 

[Ashmal]

And all the others were getting on their knees too kissing their crosses and singing praises. Jews, Christians, Hindus everyone rejoicing in an empty stadium for that glorious heavenly milestone . No it was just the one person making a statement when nothing needed to be said. One thing being misunderstood and totally another behaving oddly in front of strangers

I don't think any of his teammates had an issue with it.

Doesn't matter if random trolls on internet find it 'odd'

 

[MenInG]

I just saw Md Abbas do a Sajda after his 5-fer in a random County match.

He did it in an empty stadium with hardly any media coverage and obviously there was no one from Pakistan team management to force him to do it.

Still...we have armchair experts trying to convince us that it's being forced upon the players by the team management....and how the players do it just for media coverage and PR to fool the public.

I hope people get some sense back and get over it.

Abbas doing sajda

 

[Varun]

Abbas doing sajda

Wow, 5-3.

Always knew that at his pace, he's perfectly cut out for the dibbly-dobbly county stuff.

 

[Blistering Barnacle]

I don't think I saw Fakhar Zaman do a sajda when he got a century, but maybe I missed it.

 

[shamaan]

People should continue doing sajda if that's what's they want to do and if people don't want to do it then that's also fine.

 

[The Viper]

I don't see anything wrong with doing a sajda after a 5 wicket haul or century. I think it is beautiful personally. However, players shouldn't be forced on them. After his double ton vs Zimbabwe, it did look like Fakhar was forced to do a sadja. As long as it is done with players own free will, I don't see a problem.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

I don't see anything wrong with doing a sajda after a 5 wicket haul or century. I think it is beautiful personally. However, players shouldn't be forced on them. After his double ton vs Zimbabwe, it did look like Fakhar was forced to do a sadja. As long as it is done with players own free will, I don't see a problem.

Yes, players should be allowed to express their way of celebration. And I am not stopping them.

However, when it comes to display of religiosity in sports, ESPECIALLY in the Islamic doctrine, don't you think the player actually puts a worth and value on his sajda?

What is the player actually saying here;

"God, I will be thankful to you and give you a sajda if I get 5 wickets or score a 100. But if anything less than that, sorry, no sajda for you. Neither do I have time for you and neither do I care."

Isn't that what we are saying?
Are our Sajdas on sale and we are bargaining with God?


In the Islamic doctrine, aren't we supposed to be Thankful to God ALL the time?
And for Sajda, God has already recommended times on when to do it. Shouldn't we worry about that 5 times daily sajda and put the utmost importance on THAT SAJDA rather than giving these optional public display sajdas?

 

[Last Monetarist]

 

[Firebat]

Azhar Ali reaching his ton.

 

[MenInG]

After 5/51 at Lord's

 

[Kroll]

After 5/51 at Lord's

Only guy in the side that seems to have some fight in him, rest are mental midgets.

 

[moghul]

No need to do this showy act . You can connect to God without doing this .

 

[Cosmic]

Tell pk team to sajdaah ..when they win..not on personal milestone..

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Tell pk team to sajdaah ..when they win..not on personal milestone..

And if the Pak team loses, the opposition should perform Sajda (Bangladesh, Afghanistan)
Others should make cross signs in congregations.
And Indians should bring a cow in the ground and thank her?

This is exactly the reason why, religion should be kept private in these sporting events. Don't sell your Sajdas for so cheap.
You will perform a Sajda at taking 5 wickets but not for 4 wickets. The worth of your public Sajda is 5 wickets?

 

[Snowflake]

I don't know why we need to keep bumping this thread whenever someone performs sajdah.

Most posters have made their opinion known about this... And I don't think anyone is going to change their opinion.

If we're saying that this is between a player and his God, why do we need to keep posting pictures of players whenever they do the act?

 

[Colorblind Genius]

I don't know why we need to keep bumping this thread whenever someone performs sajdah.

Most posters have made their opinion known about this... And I don't think anyone is going to change their opinion.

If we're saying that this is between a player and his God, why do we need to keep posting pictures of players whenever they do the act?

Some folks may actually get a sense of spiritual elevation feel that their emaan got taza by advertising the Sajdas

 

[Snowflake]

Some folks may actually get a sense of spiritual elevation feel that their emaan got taza by advertising the Sajdas

I guess. I follow a sport for what it is, just a sport. I don't seek religious motivation from sportsmen.

 

[El Generico]

I don't know why we need to keep bumping this thread whenever someone performs sajdah.

Most posters have made their opinion known about this... And I don't think anyone is going to change their opinion.

If we're saying that this is between a player and his God, why do we need to keep posting pictures of players whenever they do the act?

I agree, this discussion has been done to death. However for some reason, this thread is always bumped after anyone does a Sajda.

Weirdly it’s always a mod or admin who does it.

 

[El Generico]

Just to add one last thing to this topic, Sajdat al-Shukr is a Islamic concept(google it if you want) and it’s not something Pakistani players have made up. Many soccer plays also do the Sajda. A Muslim player has every right to do if they want. Last time I checked this does not violate any rules.

However if you have an issue with it then just turn off the TV or perhaps protest in front of ICC headquarters and get them to deem the Sajda illegal lol.

 

[Bhaijaan]

I find sajda beautiful and it's ok to do it even on personal achievements as a show of respect to the almighty.

 

[sharmaji]

What is wrong with doing Sajda? It is quite nice to see.

I remember seeing it for the first time when Saeed Anwar did it in Chennai when he made 194. I found it respectful then, and find it respectful now.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

I guess. I follow a sport for what it is, just a sport. I don't seek religious motivation from sportsmen.

I do the same.
But obviously 7 billion people won't and can't think alike. And that what makes it beautiful.

As you may agree, we all have a right to freedom of speech and express our feelings in a civil manner.

We may or may not agree with each other in some points but i guess if someone feels good about looking at someone performing Sajda-e-shukar during sporting events, then good for them.

 

[MenInG]

5fer and a sajda to thank the Almighty for Hassan Ali

 

[James]

I maintain my earlier view that it's personal choice.

Marcus Rashford is an example of a footballer who makes a Christian-type allusion whenever he comes onto the field, and it does not attract any attention at all.

If it means something to that player and has formed a part of their motivations, performance levels and individual purpose, I'm fully in support of such gestures.

 

[SpiritOf1903]

Do they even face Qibla most times?

 

[Kroll]

Hassan must have really meant it after the pelters he's been getting recently lol.

 

[Lemack]

Do they even face Qibla most times?

Not necessary for Sajdahtu Shukr.

 

[MenInG]

Another Pakistan player doing Sajda...seems no one else does this.

No, wait...

This is Ajaz Patel of New Zealand!

 

[Varun]

Another Pakistan player doing Sajda...seems no one else does this.

No, wait...

This is Ajaz Patel of New Zealand!

Wait - is he Hindu or Muslim? "Ajaz" "Patel"

 

[MenInG]

Wait - is he Hindu or Muslim? "Ajaz" "Patel"

https://www.crictracker.com/new-zea...chedule-is-busier-than-most-of-his-teammates/

 

[James]

Another Pakistan player doing Sajda...seems no one else does this.

No, wait...

This is Ajaz Patel of New Zealand!

Nice!

 

[MenInG]

Sajid Khan after his 5fer

 

[MenInG]

 

[Firebat]

Pakistan U19's Muhammad Shehzad after getting a brilliant 5-fer today:

 

[Last Monetarist]

Naseem Shah today:

 

[shah_1]

It was awkward to see that Safaraz forcefully telling Naseem Shah to do Sajda

 

[as-95]

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1min 33 seconds when Sargraz shouts "Sajda Kar" at Naseem is just cringe.

Let the players do Sajda when they want to. Even if they want to do it in private. Sarfraz is a cringy individual and he is the kind of boss/captain that noone likes.

Glad he is far from the team now.

 

[Saj]

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1min 33 seconds when Sargraz shouts "Sajda Kar" at Naseem is just cringe.

Let the players do Sajda when they want to. Even if they want to do it in private. Sarfraz is a cringy individual and he is the kind of boss/captain that noone likes.

Glad he is far from the team now.

Seems like a forced Sajda, or perhaps Naseem genuinely forgot and needed the reminder.

 

[pakistani pride]

Pathetic to see Sarfaraz saying to him to do the sajda.

I mean...

 

[Muhammad Saad]

Pathetic to see Sarfaraz saying to him to do the sajda.

I mean...

Pathetic from you for criticizing Sarfraz for this thing

 

[Forum363]

Pathetic to see Sarfaraz saying to him to do the sajda.

I mean...

Yes, what a terrible thing - a captain and veteran player telling a youngster to stop his celebrations for a second and come down to earth (literally) to thank his maker and remember to be humble.

 

[Forum363]

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1min 33 seconds when Sargraz shouts "Sajda Kar" at Naseem is just cringe.

Let the players do Sajda when they want to. Even if they want to do it in private. Sarfraz is a cringy individual and he is the kind of boss/captain that noone likes.

Glad he is far from the team now.

The idea is to humble yourself and remember that success is not always guaranteed - when you do have success, remember to thank the almighty.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with a senior captain asking a youngster to do this.

 

[Zaz]

The idea is to humble yourself and remember that success is not always guaranteed - when you do have success, remember to thank the almighty.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with a senior captain asking a youngster to do this.

Of course there is There should be no coersion or compulsion in religion Naseem may not have wanted to do this

Sarafraz is more of a dictator these days than a captain

 

[realitygaf]

Pathetic from you for criticizing Sarfraz for this thing

Yes, what a terrible thing - a captain and veteran player telling a youngster to stop his celebrations for a second and come down to earth (literally) to thank his maker and remember to be humble.

What sarfaraz was asking him to do was dekhawa

“There is no compulsion in religion”

 

[realitygaf]

What sarfaraz is asking him to do comes under dekhawa. He has no right to force naseem to do something that is a personal decision. This is the kind of thinking that is introduction innovation into faith. It goes against the spirit of Islam.‘pathetic

 

[DeadlyVenom]

The idea is to humble yourself and remember that success is not always guaranteed - when you do have success, remember to thank the almighty.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with a senior captain asking a youngster to do this.

Seemed like fatherly/brotherly advice more than anything but unfortunately the forum liberals will make it an issue.

 

[as-95]

Seems like a forced Sajda, or perhaps Naseem genuinely forgot and needed the reminder.

Or maybe he didn’t intend to do it?

He could have done it privately in the dressing room. Sarfraz has no business “reminding” Nadeem to do this!

 

[as-95]

The idea is to humble yourself and remember that success is not always guaranteed - when you do have success, remember to thank the almighty.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with a senior captain asking a youngster to do this.

He can humble himself privately? He can thank and be grateful to The Almighty in the dressing room? Or in his hotel room?

It’s not a necessity for him to do sajda unless he wants to. Sarfraz had no business ordering him to do sajda so aggressively!

 

[moghul]

If they want to do this , who am I to object this but in my opinion its a ridiculous act, nothing to do with religion , just a showy act and only a recent invention of some jahil moulvis is Pakistan cricket.

 

[CricketingMinds]

My dislike for Sarfarz keeps increasing. Pls keep him away from the Pakistan Cricket team.

 

[silentkiller187]

People can celebrate how they like , but very cringy and wrong from sarfraz to call him out, its personal choice at the end of the day and it's just a gesture with no significance on the sporting field

 

[sweep_shot]

I see nothing wrong with Sarfaraz asking Naseem to do Sajdah.

I think the issue is how Sarfaraz treats players like children. He is perhaps too bossy.

 

[realitygaf]

I see nothing wrong with Sarfaraz asking Naseem to do Sajdah.

I think the issue is how Sarfaraz treats players like children. He is perhaps too bossy.

What sarfaraz is doing is introducing innovation . If you force something as a habit it becomes an innovation in Islam .

If someone does not do sajda and society’s men and women think why did he not do sajda is he not religious . That thought process is what comes after innovation has taken over your faith. That people expect dikhawa to prove you are Muslim

 

[Colorblind Genius]

I see nothing wrong with Sarfaraz asking Naseem to do Sajdah.

I think the issue is how Sarfaraz treats players like children. He is perhaps too bossy.

If Sarfaraz had encouraged Naseem in a nice and polite way TO ESTABLISH FIVE TIME DAILY SALAH, then yes, I would’ve been all up for him.

But this rigid style of displaying illiteracy is cringeworthy.

May be Naseem has some other way or style of extending thanks to God, what the heck does Sarfaraz know?

We should be worried about our 5 times daily FARZ SALAH rather than these Sajdas at order.

 

[Rellu_Katta]

wat stpid idiot comments...

Sarfraz is not my fav player for miles, but to tell some1 to b humble and thank God (which ever religion) is a great thing ..... and i have nothing against any Christian or a hindu praising God on a victory ...

people r so geniunly stupid, would argue on anything ... leave it be

 

[realitygaf]

wat stpid idiot comments...

Sarfraz is not my fav player for miles, but to tell some1 to b humble and thank God (which ever religion) is a great thing ..... and i have nothing against any Christian or a hindu praising God on a victory ...

people r so geniunly stupid, would argue on anything ... leave it be

It’s dekhawa . That’s a sin

 

[Oneking]

Naseem is Muslim, so he doesn’t need to prove anything to Anyone, in his recent interview he said that he is gone through a lot in recent times on and off the field, maybe he is trying to stay humble, and forgot to do sajda we don’t know what’s going on in his life and maybe he is trying to lean more towards deen. Knowing Sarfraz he is religious, he may try to influence his team to be more towards deen and there’s nothing wrong that. As a Muslim if someone ask me to be more towards deen I shouldn’t have a problem with it. If I do then I shouldn’t be proud to call myself Muslim. There’s also another word for calling your self a Muslim but at the same time not praying or not practicing islam or backbiting is called munafik

 

[MenInG]

It’s dekhawa . That’s a sin

Naseem is Muslim, so he doesn’t need to prove anything to Anyone, in his recent interview he said that he is gone through a lot in recent times on and off the field, maybe he is trying to stay humble, and forgot to do sajda we don’t know what’s going on in his life and maybe he is trying to lean more towards deen. Knowing Sarfraz he is religious, he may try to influence his team to be more towards deen and there’s nothing wrong that. As a Muslim if someone ask me to be more towards deen I shouldn’t have a problem with it. If I do then I shouldn’t be proud to call myself Muslim. There’s also another word for calling your self a Muslim but at the same time not praying or not practicing islam or backbiting is called munafik

So either its dekhawa or others are munafiq

Is there a middle ground?

 

[Babeikh]

Poor stuff from Sarfraz

 

[Oneking]

It’s religion it’s based on individual liking either you follow it or you don’t no one puts a gun to others head and make them, there’s no grey areas. Do your part and don’t criticize anyone, people accusing Sarfraz of dekhwa is wrong, as much as I am calling anyone munafik.

 

[Kroll]

Some of us did allude to the fact earlier in this thread, some players have been coerced into doing the sajda.

Personally, I believe players should be free to celebrate in whatever manner they wish as long as they're not crossing a line.

All I see here is nothing short of bullying.

 

[topspin]

Religion should not be enforced on a cricket field and especially by someone who uses the most vulgar language.

It's time PCB clamps down on these practices and reverse the Tableegi culture that Inzamam has instilled in the Pakistan dress room.

Religion isn't for the cameras, it's for God.

No wonder we have people like Amir Liaqat running their mouths and doing all sorts during "religious" programs.

 

[Oneking]

Amir l is drama queen, labelling him religious is an insult to Islam people who listen to him or follow him advise should be ashamed of themselves.
Religion isn’t for camera or for anyone else to see. Allah knows the best.
Pakistan is Muslim country, based on the slogan Pakistan ka matlab kiya
“ la illaha illilah Muhammad dur rasoollalah” so if the sportsman of Pakistan perform sajda or pray namaz after the game or before the game is nothing wrong it, if someone reminds another person to perform sajda or to pray I don’t see anything wrong with it.
Tableeghi cultures that you speak off, Is part of Islam if you choose not to follow it it’s up to you. It’s not like Sarfraz put a gun to Nadeem’s head and told him to perform sajda, if naseem chooses to he can refuse Gladiator isn’t the only team in PSL, Naseem can also choose to be traded or show his discomfort if he is. But people on this thread calling Sarfraz a sinner based on him asking another teammates to perform sajda is wrong.

 

[moghul]

Religion should not be enforced on a cricket field and especially by someone who uses the most vulgar language.

It's time PCB clamps down on these practices and reverse the Tableegi culture that Inzamam has instilled in the Pakistan dress room.

Religion isn't for the cameras, it's for God.

No wonder we have people like Amir Liaqat running their mouths and doing all sorts during "religious" programs.

Yes, keep politics and religion away from cricket, we want to see cricket, not this kind of tableegh and exhibition of mullah culture . Naseem should have said to Sarfraz " mind your own business".

 

[Zaz]

Amir l is drama queen, labelling him religious is an insult to Islam people who listen to him or follow him advise should be ashamed of themselves.
Religion isn’t for camera or for anyone else to see. Allah knows the best.
Pakistan is Muslim country, based on the slogan Pakistan ka matlab kiya
“ la illaha illilah Muhammad dur rasoollalah” so if the sportsman of Pakistan perform sajda or pray namaz after the game or before the game is nothing wrong it, if someone reminds another person to perform sajda or to pray I don’t see anything wrong with it.
Tableeghi cultures that you speak off, Is part of Islam if you choose not to follow it it’s up to you. It’s not like Sarfraz put a gun to Nadeem’s head and told him to perform sajda, if naseem chooses to he can refuse Gladiator isn’t the only team in PSL, Naseem can also choose to be traded or show his discomfort if he is. But people on this thread calling Sarfraz a sinner based on him asking another teammates to perform sajda is wrong.

You think a 20 yr old is in a position to say no to a ex captain of pakistan who has such a dominating personality without repurcussions?

Captains should stick to cricket and not bring religion onto the field

There should be no compulsion in religion Each to their own Some may be religion some may not be Its not sarfraz jobs to enforece religon

 

[Maher96]

Noticed Sarfraz remind Naseem about taking a Sajda.

Could be just him being the elder and pointing out as per our elders do.

 

[The_KING]

Fakhar didn't do the Sajda after scoring the century.

 

[Snowflake]

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1min 33 seconds when Sargraz shouts "Sajda Kar" at Naseem is just cringe.

Let the players do Sajda when they want to. Even if they want to do it in private. Sarfraz is a cringy individual and he is the kind of boss/captain that noone likes.

Glad he is far from the team now.

Lol! So much for the "let the players celebrate however they want to"..."all players have the right to celebrate whichever way they want to..."

First we saw it with fakhar getting the reminder from the dressing room and now this...what's the argument now?

But I know the usual suspects will keep their heads in the sand and continue to deny that a culture has been cultivated in the team which forces all players to conform to this practice.

There is nothing natural about this.

 

[Snowflake]

If they want to do this , who am I to object this but in my opinion its a ridiculous act, nothing to do with religion , just a showy act and only a recent invention of some jahil moulvis is Pakistan cricket.

Funny thing is... You wouldn't see these guys, or in fact any Muslim, fall into a Sajda upon achieving a significantly bigger milestone in life....it has never been a common act to show gratitude. Have you ever seen anyone in the hospital perform a sajda upon hearing a good news? No. Surely that's more significant than scoring a century in a cricket game....

So, why do these cricketers, now almost 100% of them, do this unusual act? Why is it so common in our team? What kind of coincidence is this that the people who get selected in our team have this way of showing gratitude and yet we never see this kind of act in general public? We all know the answer to this... It's the culture that's been developed in the team. When senior players are reminding you from the dressing to perform the sajda or ex-captains saying "sajda kar!".... the whole argument of "players are free to celebrate however way they want to" goes out the window.

 

[Snowflake]

What sarfaraz is asking him to do comes under dekhawa. He has no right to force naseem to do something that is a personal decision. This is the kind of thinking that is introduction innovation into faith. It goes against the spirit of Islam.‘pathetic

Your point about introducing innovation in religion is 100% valid...but sadly it'll sail above the heads of many here. That's just the sad reality and reflection of our country now.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Funny thing is... You wouldn't see these guys, or in fact any Muslim, fall into a Sajda upon achieving a significantly bigger milestone in life....it has never been a common act to show gratitude. Have you ever seen anyone in the hospital perform a sajda upon hearing a good news? No. Surely that's more significant than scoring a century in a cricket game....

So, why do these cricketers, now almost 100% of them, do this unusual act? Why is it so common in our team? What kind of coincidence is this that the people who get selected in our team have this way of showing gratitude and yet we never see this kind of act in general public? We all know the answer to this... It's the culture that's been developed in the team. When senior players are reminding you from the dressing to perform the sajda or ex-captains saying "sajda kar!".... the whole argument of "players are free to celebrate however way they want to" goes out the window.

More over, one should perhaps be ashamed of putting so much emphasis on these optional Sajdas in front of a camera, rather than worrying about the ACTUAL SAJDA that has been made mandatory upon on, 5 times day.
The entire focus is misplaced.

 

[Babeikh]

I guess some people are just wired differently. For me religion is a personal matter and how / whether i practice is my business and nobody has any right to impose their beliefs and way of life on me, just as I have no right to impose mine on them.

People like Sarfraz who make impositions and demands on others have a different mentality. Feel for any young player in this environment. A sad state of affairs.

 

[wrongun]

I guess some people are just wired differently. For me religion is a personal matter and how / whether i practice is my business and nobody has any right to impose their beliefs and way of life on me, just as I have no right to impose mine on them.

People like Sarfraz who make impositions and demands on others have a different mentality. Feel for any young player in this environment. A sad state of affairs.

That's the way I see it. Religion is a personal matter. It can also be a community or social element. But not a workplace or sporting matter. And anyone trying to impose their view of religion upon you would probably get a not so polite rebuke over here.

I haven't condemned Sarfraz too much because I considered that if you asked Sarfraz, he'd probably -honestly- be thinking he did it to help try and keep the younger player humble & grounded or so on. But he's just not quite aware enough of how that comes across or how he is transgressing boundaries.

 

[Gasman]

The danger here is introduction of biddah (innovation) to the religion of Islam. Such acts of prostration are not recommended anywhere in the Quran or hadeeth (recorded sayings of the Prophet pbuh), and so constitute an innovation, which should he avoided. Much as I like Sarfaraz, he should not be telling other players to perform any such acts.

 

[syedfaraz5]

Useless drama sarfraz was wrong for making him do that.
we have a saying for this "sar sajday main or ____daghabazi main"

 

[Mirpur express]

Absolute cringe he has no business telling a guy to perform a sajda , it’s Naseem’s choice of how/when he wants the thank the almighty, the non Muslim players must’ve noticed this too .. what an embarrassing moment * even Fakhar got signal from the dugout to do it!!! PCB must take notice NO PLAYER SHOULD BE TOLD TO PERFORM A SAJDA. I mean how hard is it to figure out that every1 has there own way of being thankful, some do it publicly & some prefer to be alone, but this new culture of telling players to do it is not only bidaa but paints a very murky picture too..

 

[shamaan]

I don't see nothing wrong with what Sarfraz said.

 

[shamaan]

The danger here is introduction of biddah (innovation) to the religion of Islam. Such acts of prostration are not recommended anywhere in the Quran or hadeeth (recorded sayings of the Prophet pbuh), and so constitute an innovation, which should he avoided. Much as I like Sarfaraz, he should not be telling other players to perform any such acts.

Not every Biddah is innovation.