[PICTURES/VIDEOS] Babar Azam’s failures against India

[Mamoon]

The same pitch where Saeed Anwar’s protege batted on, I was hoping to see a post from you on Imam’s performance, but pin drop silence.

No one calls Imam “king” and the best player in the world.

For a so-called minnow basher he played a good innings today and provided a strong platform for the middle and lower-order.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

ab 50 bhi bad performance hai?

i think thats the quality of babar that people expect him more big innings. good

He’s the captain of the team, he’s been hyped to the moon and we’ve yet to see him win us a game with the bat against the biggest rivals in the ODI format.

Junaid had more impact on his 3 games vs India back in 2012 than Babar has in his entire career.

 

[Saanji]

Deluded fan boys will say he averages XYZ against spin so he is great, but eye test doesn’t lie.

He plays spin like a generic non-Asian batsman. Very poor footwork.

1. This is no insignificant score man.. not a failure by any stretch.
2. But yes, just a meaningless Stat pad score with zero impact

 

[Bewal Express]

Babar batted OK. But looked very poor against the spinners. No positivity, no creativity and allowed to just bowl. By this stage of his career, he should be more assertive and be much better at playing spin

 

[YousafTheBeast]

No one calls Imam “king” and the best player in the world.

For a so-called minnow basher he played a good innings today and provided a strong platform for the middle and lower-order.

Whoever labelled Babar as king are clearly deluded, just like the ones who say Imam will have 25+ 100’s in ODI’s by the end of his career.

 

[Markhor]

Babar batted OK. But looked very poor against the spinners. No positivity, no creativity and allowed to just bowl. By this stage of his career, he should be more assertive and be much better at playing spin

Was the same story against Wanindu Hasaranga last year in the Asia Cup, Adil Rashid in the bilateral T20 series and World Cup Final, and Michael Bracewell in the ODIs earlier this year.

Babar is just not proactive enough against spinners, doesn't play the sweep shot nor has the courage to hit over the top.

All of our great batsmen could murder spin.

 

[Bhaijaan]

I think he played beautifully today for a well earned 50. Was a class act from him.

Pakistan would be disappointed he could not translate that effort into a century for them.

But he’s walked out with his respect intact today as a batter.
Played beautiful shots

 

[Hawkeye]

He’s lost that opportunity to become that prolific run scorer against our greatest rival.

No big team fears him now and certainly not IND.

He will never come even close to how Kohli, Sehwag etc performed against Pak. Or even PAK batters who stepped up against IND.

Nepal, Bangladesh etc certainly do fear him a lot. He feasts on their bowlers and the other minnows.

Specially in meaningless bilateral.

Always goes missing in big tournaments and specially the crucial games even if he luckily scores some runs.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

I think he played beautifully today for a well earned 50. Was a class act from him.

Pakistan would be disappointed he could not translate that effort into a century for them.

But he’s walked out with his respect intact today as a batter.
Played beautiful shots

He’s not gone there to play beautiful shots, he’s gone there to take the game away from the opposition with the bat which he failed to do.

 

[Bhaijaan]

He’s not gone there to play beautiful shots, he’s gone there to take the game away from the opposition with the bat which he failed to do.

Bhai akela Babar kya karega.

He scored a 50 and got out to a good delivery. The other 5-6 batters out there also have to take some responsibility.

As far as I’m concerned Babar did a fair job today. Nothing spectacular but nothing poor either.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

Bhai akela Babar kya karega.

He scored a 50 and got out to a good delivery. The other 5-6 batters out there also have to take some responsibility.

As far as I’m concerned Babar did a fair job today. Nothing spectacular but nothing poor either.

The guy is being compared to Kohli, someone who has won games for his team single handedly vs the biggest rival.

He’s had plenty of chances to do something similar, but he doesn’t have that hunger.

 

[Cover Drive Six]

Babar played a pathetic innings on a flat track. He was overly cautious, displaying little willingness to take any risks.
He appeared to be genuinely scared while facing Bumrah and Kuldeep.

 

[JAV12341]

Like mamoon said babr is a timid player who only plays for stats.

 

[wasim-fan]

They are definitely not picking Kuldeep. Or his trajectory is not helping them play off the pitch.

 

[Mamoon]

Whoever labelled Babar as king are clearly deluded, just like the ones who say Imam will have 25+ 100’s in ODI’s by the end of his career.

Don’t know about 25, he has another 7-8 years left and he is on 9 right now

 

[YousafTheBeast]

Don’t know about 25, he has another 7-8 years left and he is on 9 right now which is already 8 more than Sharjeel.

Going from “25+ ODI’s by the end of his career” to “Don’t know about 25”.

 

[Saanji]

The guy is being compared to Kohli, someone who has won games for his team single handedly vs the biggest rival.

He’s had plenty of chances to do something similar, but he doesn’t have that hunger.

Kohli scored just 16 under no pressure ... I think
Babar > kohli for today's game

 

[Savak]

An argument can be made that Babar has badly regressed in the last year. Too many failures against big teams on big occasions, his hype is way greater than his actual output

 

[Syed1]

An argument can be made that Babar has badly regressed in the last year. Too many failures against big teams on big occasions, his hype is way greater than his actual output

On top of that is carrying a belly. 8-10 years old Kohli looks fitter than him. Maybe fame and minnow bashing got to his head.

 

[Mamoon]

Going from “25+ ODI’s by the end of his career” to “Don’t know about 25”.

But fat fixer will not increase his tally and I don’t take what you say seriously, you please don’t quote me unless you have something intelligent to say.

Imam > Sharjeel. Deal with it.

 

[RyanRyan10]

He played a decent knock. Wrong ti criticize him for failure of others. He got out at 155-3 and Pakistan collapsed to 191 all out.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

But fat fixer will not increase his tally and I don’t take what you say seriously, you please don’t quote me unless you have something intelligent to say.

Imam > Sharjeel. Deal with it.

Haha, Sharjeel isn’t even in the team and you’re still talking about him. Don’t worry mate, we still have Bangladesh and Afghanistan for the minnow basher to get his form back.

All we ask for is a bit of consistency, I haven’t seen you on Imam’s thread lately !!!

 

[jnaveen1980]

Today break down of Babar Runs

Bowler​	Balls​	Runs​
Pandya​	8​	15​
Thakur​	10​	10​
Siraj​	8​	8​
Kuldeep​	18​	10​
Jadeja​	14​	7​

 

[heddie19]

All big name Pakistani batsmen were prolific against India. Even lesser ones like Shoaib Malik and Butt brought their A game against India.

Babar is the odd one out.

What was the bowling attack Maliks and Butts were facing and what is the bowling attack Babar is facing? It is funny mentioning their name on this thread.

It is the other way around.

His fans don’t have faith in him and have low expectations which is why they are satisfied with a 50 (57) from their “King” and so-called number one batsman in the world.

If Pakistan lose this match, Babar will be responsible. He got out to a nothing delivery right when Pakistan were taking complete control.

Big players don’t do that. They run away with the game when they are on top. Kohli has done it so many times against Pakistan and Babar almost never does it against India.

Of all the big name players Pakistan has produced, he has had the least impact against India.

His fans have faith in him and no one is saying that it was a class act by Babar, we have surely seen better from the best batter in the world.

 

[Ikhlas]

I don't think anybody really questioned that Babar lacks mental toughness leaving him far short of the elite level.

But since when can beggars be choosers? We are a pretty rubbish cricket nation held together by a few decent individuals.

For all his weaknesses Babar has not done badly as captain at all and still remains the most obvious choice we have for now.

But to be honest he should step down as it could boost his mental and physical performance

 

[Mamoon]

What was the bowling attack Maliks and Butts were facing and what is the bowling attack Babar is facing? It is funny mentioning their name on this thread.

His fans have faith in him and no one is saying that it was a class act by Babar, we have surely seen better from the best batter in the world.

Maliks and Butts faced the likes of Zaheer Khan who is better than any current Pakistani pacer and would walk into the Indian team.

In addition, they faced spinners like Harbhajan and Kumble who would make Babar look like a dunce.

People who didn’t watch cricket in the 2000s think India had a crap bowling attack but that couldn’t be further from the truth.

India had a very good attack in the 2000s as well and Babar wouldn’t have done any better against them.

Babar is not even close to being the best batsman in the world. Almost every top team has a couple of batsmen better than him.

Last 4/5 tournaments have showed that Babar’s hype and perception has been built by bashing underpowered teams.

He is a brilliant batsman against weak teams but just a good batsman against the powerful sides.

He is struggling to outclass the likes of Kohli and Rohit even though he is in prime years while their prime was 5-6 years back.

Is Babar a good batsman? 100%

Do his fans overhype him and think he is better than he actually is? Also 100%

 

[stani_pak]

He basically got out at the wrong time and gifter his wicket despite getting his first 50 vs india in ODI match, the reality is that its still a failure, he was set to make a century. The loss is not only on him the middle order batsman went missing today

 

[shamaan]

ab 50 bhi bad performance hai?

i think thats the quality of babar that people expect him more big innings. good

It's about his 50 it's about asserting yourself on the opposition.

 

[shamaan]

A class batter would more than often get the job done for his team against top attacks & on crunch situations. Something captain clueless has rarely done in 8 years despite scoring gazillion of runs & breaking some thousand records. So obviously you & I have different definition of what a class batter is. Quote me if you have any substantial things to say, otherwise don't bother to talk crap with your usual rubbish fanboysim.

How many times has Root,Williamson got the job for thier team.

 

[jnaveen1980]

I see some happy posts like from pak fans "Gill could not overtake Babar in ICC ranking"

 

[IndoorCricket]

Unfair to Babar today. Rest of the team fallen like pack of cards. But still Kohli is on another level. His dedication to the game and fitness is unmatched. His passion is unrivalled

 

[Mamoon]

Today break down of Babar Runs

Bowler​	Balls​	Runs​
Pandya​	8​	15​
Thakur​	10​	10​
Siraj​	8​	8​
Kuldeep​	18​	10​
Jadeja​	14​	7​

He is a deeply mediocre player against spin. 17 runs in 32 balls and never looked in control. Barely survived an LBW shout too.

 

[jnaveen1980]

He is a deeply mediocre player against spin. 17 runs in 32 balls and never looked in control. Barely survived an LBW shout too.

Rohit took off Bumra as well.

 

[VForVendetta]

How many times has Root,Williamson got the job for thier team.

Not much, I myself don't rate them higher than Babar as odi batsmen, they are obviously miles better in tests, but in odi's for all his limitations, milestone obsessions & chokes; Babar is still a better batsman than them. I have already discussed it in details many times here. Since you have a tendency to follow my posts & hunt me down whenever I say something less flattering for Babar, I am surprised you didn't notice those posts. I clearly state he is better than those two in this format. But of course I refuse to accept hilarious & ridiculous claims like Babar being better than Kohli, AB, Rohit or Babar being almost as good as Sachin, Lara, Ponting. I also don't agree that he already is the GOAT odi batsman of his country. No way he has been more impactful than Miandad, Anwar, Inzy or Yousuf up until now.

He is still playing, is an ongoing process & unfinished product, so how can we already reach to any sort of conclusion on his legacy? He has very little chance to radically upgrade himself, he has already peaked, reached his ceiling, but there's every possibility he may turn worse, become even more inconsistent due to age & fatigue.

The problem with you & many of his fanbase is you see any criticism & automatically term it as typical hate speech or trolling or by your own words rubbish. I honestly don't think anybody here on PP hate him, there's no reason for that, all the criticism happen because they refuse to accept mediocrity & also don't agree with the overhyping & overrating.

 

[heddie19]

Maliks and Butts faced the likes of Zaheer Khan who is better than any current Pakistani pacer and would walk into the Indian team.

In addition, they faced spinners like Harbhajan and Kumble who would make Babar look like a dunce.

People who didn’t watch cricket in the 2000s think India had a crap bowling attack but that couldn’t be further from the truth.

India had a very good attack in the 2000s as well and Babar wouldn’t have done any better against them.

Babar is not even close to being the best batsman in the world. Almost every top team has a couple of batsmen better than him.

Last 4/5 tournaments have showed that Babar’s hype and perception has been built by bashing underpowered teams.

He is a brilliant batsman against weak teams but just a good batsman against the powerful sides.

He is struggling to outclass the likes of Kohli and Rohit even though he is in prime years while their prime was 5-6 years back.

Is Babar a good batsman? 100%

Do his fans overhype him and think he is better than he actually is? Also 100%

better than Pakistani current pacers? Babar does not face "current pakistani pacers" he faces current india pacers that are better than Zaheer khan and company.

Kuldeep is more wicket taking threat than Kumble and Bhajji.

There is a difference between a good bowling attack and a WC bowling attack that is what you're missing out.

Babar was the leading run-scorer of a World Cup too in his last 5 tournaments with match-winning runs against the same WC Indian bowling as well as WC Spin bowling of Afghanistan.

Babar outclassed Virat in his prime when Babar was pre-prime that you will never mention (WC '19)

 

[Abdullah]

Bhai akela Babar kya karega.

He scored a 50 and got out to a good delivery. The other 5-6 batters out there also have to take some responsibility.

As far as I’m concerned Babar did a fair job today. Nothing spectacular but nothing poor either.

Ultimately those that say Babar bats too slowly- today bloody well proves he is well within his right to.
It's on Babar today because we all know the rest of the line up is poor.
How on earth can you go from 155-2 in 29 to 192 all out after one guy gets out.
He needed to stay in. But this puts to rest once and for all Babar bats too slow. 50 overs is too long for the rest of these guys.
Hopefully when Saud gets settled Babar will feel more confident with what is behind him

 

[Mamoon]

better than Pakistani current pacers? Babar does not face "current pakistani pacers" he faces current india pacers that are better than Zaheer khan and company.

Kuldeep is more wicket taking threat than Kumble and Bhajji.

There is a difference between a good bowling attack and a WC bowling attack that is what you're missing out.

Babar was the leading run-scorer of a World Cup too in his last 5 tournaments with match-winning runs against the same WC Indian bowling as well as WC Spin bowling of Afghanistan.

Babar outclassed Virat in his prime when Babar was pre-prime that you will never mention (WC '19)

Only Bumrah is better than Zaheer Khan. Zaheer is significantly better than Siraj and would be opening the bowling alongside Bumrah if he was playing today.

You couldn’t be more wrong about Kuldeep and Kumble. You are clearly revealing the fact that you didn’t watch cricket in the 2000s.

Babar is no Inzamam, Younis and Yousuf against spin. He would stand little chance of succeeding against Harbhajan and Kumble just like he continuously struggles against Kuldeep.

In the 2019 World Cup match, Kohli scored 77 in 65 balls and walked when he wasn’t even out while Babar scored 48 in 57 and got bamboozled by Kuldeep.

It is a myth that Kohli had a bad World Cup. He had 5 fifties in 9 innings. It’s just that he was outshined by Rohit who was the standout batsman of the tournament by a mile.

In comparison, Babar scored 3 fifties and 1 hundred in 8 innings. Not a worldly difference. If Babar was better than it was by a fine margin.

Since Kohli recovered his form 12 months back in Asia Cup 2022, he has consistently outshined Babar whenever they played in the same tournament and this is supposed to be his peak.

So in conclusion, peak Babar is not better than old Kohli while peak Kohli (2012-2018) is in a completely different league to peak Babar (today).

Babar never was and never will be in the same class as Kohli because there is a massive gulf in natural ability and mentality.

Living in denial will not change the reality. There is no shame in not being as good as Kohli. Very, very few batsmen in history can stand shoulder to shoulder with him and Babar isn’t one of them.

You can still be a great batsman and not be comparable to Kohli. Babar is a very good batsman right now and I’m sure he can be a great batsman in the future but let’s not compare him to batsmen who are out of his league.

That is actually unfair on Babar because it leads to unnecessary criticism. Babar never asked to be compared to Kohli and never said he’s better or as good, so his fans really need to pipe it down.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Only Bumrah is better than Zaheer Khan. Zaheer is significantly better than Siraj and would be opening the bowling alongside Bumrah if he was playing today.

You couldn’t be more wrong about Kuldeep and Kumble. You are clearly revealing the fact that you didn’t watch cricket in the 2000s.

Babar is no Inzamam, Younis and Yousuf against spin. He would stand little chance of succeeding against Harbhajan and Kumble just like he continuously struggles against Kuldeep.

In the 2019 World Cup match, Kohli scored 77 in 65 balls and walked when he wasn’t even out while Babar scored 48 in 57 and got bamboozled by Kuldeep.

It is a myth that Kohli had a bad World Cup. He had 5 fifties in 9 innings. It’s just that he was outshined by Rohit who was the standout batsman of the tournament by a mile.

In comparison, Babar scored 3 fifties and 1 hundred in 8 innings. Not a worldly difference. If Babar was better than it was by a fine margin.

Since Kohli recovered his form 12 months back in Asia Cup 2022, he has consistently outshined Babar whenever they played in the same tournament and this is supposed to be his peak.

So in conclusion, peak Babar is not better than old Kohli while peak Kohli (2012-2018) is in a completely different league to peak Babar (today).

Babar never was and never will be in the same class as Kohli because there is a massive gulf in natural ability and mentality.

Living in denial will not change the reality. There is no shame in not being as good as Kohli. Very, very few batsmen in history can stand shoulder to shoulder with him and Babar isn’t one of them.

You can still be a great batsman and not be comparable to Kohli. Babar is a very good batsman right now and I’m sure he can be a great batsman in the future but let’s not compare him to batsmen who are out of his league.

That is actually unfair on Babar because it leads to unnecessary criticism. Babar never asked to be compared to Kohli and never said he’s better or as good, so his fans really need to pipe it down.

Kohli gave himself out against Pakistan Not sure why. He was on his way to 100. Also Dhawan batted well. Rahul did well.

 

[VForVendetta]

Only Bumrah is better than Zaheer Khan. Zaheer is significantly better than Siraj and would be opening the bowling alongside Bumrah if he was playing today.

You couldn’t be more wrong about Kuldeep and Kumble. You are clearly revealing the fact that you didn’t watch cricket in the 2000s.

Babar is no Inzamam, Younis and Yousuf against spin. He would stand little chance of succeeding against Harbhajan and Kumble just like he continuously struggles against Kuldeep.

In the 2019 World Cup match, Kohli scored 77 in 65 balls and walked when he wasn’t even out while Babar scored 48 in 57 and got bamboozled by Kuldeep.

It is a myth that Kohli had a bad World Cup. He had 5 fifties in 9 innings. It’s just that he was outshined by Rohit who was the standout batsman of the tournament by a mile.

In comparison, Babar scored 3 fifties and 1 hundred in 8 innings. Not a worldly difference. If Babar was better than it was by a fine margin.

Since Kohli recovered his form 12 months back in Asia Cup 2022, he has consistently outshined Babar whenever they played in the same tournament and this is supposed to be his peak.

So in conclusion, peak Babar is not better than old Kohli while peak Kohli (2012-2018) is in a completely different league to peak Babar (today).

Babar never was and never will be in the same class as Kohli because there is a massive gulf in natural ability and mentality.

Living in denial will not change the reality. There is no shame in not being as good as Kohli. Very, very few batsmen in history can stand shoulder to shoulder with him and Babar isn’t one of them.

You can still be a great batsman and not be comparable to Kohli. Babar is a very good batsman right now and I’m sure he can be a great batsman in the future but let’s not compare him to batsmen who are out of his league.

That is actually unfair on Babar because it leads to unnecessary criticism. Babar never asked to be compared to Kohli and never said he’s better or as good, so his fans really need to pipe it down.

It's hilarious reading claims like this! Kuldeep being better than Kumble! Goodness gracious. It's Probably even more ridiculous than the original claim of Babar > Rohit /Virat.

 

[DJhant]

Only Bumrah is better than Zaheer Khan. Zaheer is significantly better than Siraj and would be opening the bowling alongside Bumrah if he was playing today.

You couldn’t be more wrong about Kuldeep and Kumble. You are clearly revealing the fact that you didn’t watch cricket in the 2000s.

Babar is no Inzamam, Younis and Yousuf against spin. He would stand little chance of succeeding against Harbhajan and Kumble just like he continuously struggles against Kuldeep.

In the 2019 World Cup match, Kohli scored 77 in 65 balls and walked when he wasn’t even out while Babar scored 48 in 57 and got bamboozled by Kuldeep.

It is a myth that Kohli had a bad World Cup. He had 5 fifties in 9 innings. It’s just that he was outshined by Rohit who was the standout batsman of the tournament by a mile.

In comparison, Babar scored 3 fifties and 1 hundred in 8 innings. Not a worldly difference. If Babar was better than it was by a fine margin.

Since Kohli recovered his form 12 months back in Asia Cup 2022, he has consistently outshined Babar whenever they played in the same tournament and this is supposed to be his peak.

So in conclusion, peak Babar is not better than old Kohli while peak Kohli (2012-2018) is in a completely different league to peak Babar (today).

Babar never was and never will be in the same class as Kohli because there is a massive gulf in natural ability and mentality.

Living in denial will not change the reality. There is no shame in not being as good as Kohli. Very, very few batsmen in history can stand shoulder to shoulder with him and Babar isn’t one of them.

You can still be a great batsman and not be comparable to Kohli. Babar is a very good batsman right now and I’m sure he can be a great batsman in the future but let’s not compare him to batsmen who are out of his league.

That is actually unfair on Babar because it leads to unnecessary criticism. Babar never asked to be compared to Kohli and never said he’s better or as good, so his fans really need to pipe it down.

I personally felt Indian bowling was not very great today. Siraj missed his line quite a few times, otherwise Pak should not have scored these many in first 15 overs. Missing Shami..

 

[Cricket Warrior]

The ball was very near to body for a late cut, it was a misjudgment from babar.

 

[Mesozoic]

To be fair today wasn't exactly a failure for him.

He took good advantage of Thakur and Pandya , played some good shots , struggled as usual against Kuldeep , got saved by a close umpires call against him and finally ended up getting his stumps disturbed when the main pacers returned. Not bad for his usual standards when playing against India.

 

[Sir Alex]

To be fair today wasn't exactly a failure for him.

He took good advantage of Thakur and Pandya , played some good shots , struggled as usual against Kuldeep , got saved by a close umpires call against him and finally ended up getting his stumps disturbed when the main pacers returned. Not bad for his usual standards when playing against India.

Also got best use of the new pitch before it started to show variable bounce. Didn't face a ball from Bumrah and got a good chunk from Thakur and Pandya.

 

[shamaan]

Not much, I myself don't rate them higher than Babar as odi batsmen, they are obviously miles better in tests, but in odi's for all his limitations, milestone obsessions & chokes; Babar is still a better batsman than them. I have already discussed it in details many times here. Since you have a tendency to follow my posts & hunt me down whenever I say something less flattering for Babar, I am surprised you didn't notice those posts. I clearly state he is better than those two in this format. But of course I refuse to accept hilarious & ridiculous claims like Babar being better than Kohli, AB, Rohit or Babar being almost as good as Sachin, Lara, Ponting. I also don't agree that he already is the GOAT odi batsman of his country. No way he has been more impactful than Miandad, Anwar, Inzy or Yousuf up until now.

He is still playing, is an ongoing process & unfinished product, so how can we already reach to any sort of conclusion on his legacy? He has very little chance to radically upgrade himself, he has already peaked, reached his ceiling, but there's every possibility he may turn worse, become even more inconsistent due to age & fatigue.

The problem with you & many of his fanbase is you see any criticism & automatically term it as typical hate speech or trolling or by your own words rubbish. I honestly don't think anybody here on PP hate him, there's no reason for that, all the criticism happen because they refuse to accept mediocrity & also don't agree with the overhyping & overrating.

Can you let me know were I have stated Babar is better any of the names you mentioned or are you talking rubbish.

So now your saying he's mediocre what does that make Root and Williamson.

 

[heddie19]

Only Bumrah is better than Zaheer Khan. Zaheer is significantly better than Siraj and would be opening the bowling alongside Bumrah if he was playing today.

You couldn’t be more wrong about Kuldeep and Kumble. You are clearly revealing the fact that you didn’t watch cricket in the 2000s.

Babar is no Inzamam, Younis and Yousuf against spin. He would stand little chance of succeeding against Harbhajan and Kumble just like he continuously struggles against Kuldeep.

In the 2019 World Cup match, Kohli scored 77 in 65 balls and walked when he wasn’t even out while Babar scored 48 in 57 and got bamboozled by Kuldeep.

It is a myth that Kohli had a bad World Cup. He had 5 fifties in 9 innings. It’s just that he was outshined by Rohit who was the standout batsman of the tournament by a mile.

In comparison, Babar scored 3 fifties and 1 hundred in 8 innings. Not a worldly difference. If Babar was better than it was by a fine margin.

Since Kohli recovered his form 12 months back in Asia Cup 2022, he has consistently outshined Babar whenever they played in the same tournament and this is supposed to be his peak.

So in conclusion, peak Babar is not better than old Kohli while peak Kohli (2012-2018) is in a completely different league to peak Babar (today).

Babar never was and never will be in the same class as Kohli because there is a massive gulf in natural ability and mentality.

Living in denial will not change the reality. There is no shame in not being as good as Kohli. Very, very few batsmen in history can stand shoulder to shoulder with him and Babar isn’t one of them.

You can still be a great batsman and not be comparable to Kohli. Babar is a very good batsman right now and I’m sure he can be a great batsman in the future but let’s not compare him to batsmen who are out of his league.

That is actually unfair on Babar because it leads to unnecessary criticism. Babar never asked to be compared to Kohli and never said he’s better or as good, so his fans really need to pipe it down.

I am watching cricket since the time of Prasad and Robin singh. Yes, Kuldeep is a better white ball bowler than Harbhajan and Kumble. That too by a huge margin.

It is a myth that Kohli had a bad World Cup exactly like the myth that he had a better WC than Babar.

Babar scored 473 runs at an avg of 67 in his debut WC that too when Virat was his peak. Virat has never scored these many runs in a WC and it is his 4th WC.

Babar's batting included match-winning 63 vs England, match-winning 69 vs South Africa, match-winning 102* vs NZ, match-winning 94 vs Bangladesh, Match-winning 46 vs Afghanistan. Performed in every single match that Pakistan won in that WC. Even the 2 matches that he failed was 49 vs India and 35+. That too are failures because the criteria of gauging Babar is completely different from your lens.

Look I don't want to start this Kohli debate but you simply can not belittle Babar or any other great batter.

As you mentioned @Mamoon, living in denial wont do you good. There is no shame in admitting the reality.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Can't win matches on his own. Good #3 but he's no peak Kohli and is nowhere near Rohit. Doesn't have the mentality of truly great players.

Good, aesthetically pleasing, skilled batter that makes the team solid .

 

[GLORY OF '92]

The meekest 50 runs in history.

Missed a straight ball.

Sums it up.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Babar is not even in league of Rohit, comparison with Kohli is frankly amusing.

Rohit hit a match winning 86.

Babar hit an impactless 50 in which he was struggling half the time against spinners and was happy to feast only on Pandya and Thakur.

There is no comparison in any world of Kohli and Babar.

His 60 average is one of the most flawed statistic in history of sport.

Only Rizwans misleading 50 average in T20s is probably a worst statistic in cricket.

But dont worry.

Afghanistan and Bangladesh are coming soon.

Time to don the pads.

 

[VForVendetta]

Can you let me know were I have stated Babar is better any of the names you mentioned or are you talking rubbish.

So now your saying he's mediocre what does that make Root and Williamson.

Whether you stated Babar being better than those guys or not doesn't matter, since I never said specifically that it was you as in Mr./Ms. Shamaan said those. First learn to comprehend & then react or talk rubbish. I don't follow your posts like obsessed little puppy so I could care less whether you stated those or not. What I said was that the fanclub repeatedly says it, even tries to shove it. In this very thread there are such ridiculous claims from your fellow Babar fans. You are obviously part of that fan club, aren't you? You are a dedicated fanboy/girl of Babar, which is why you keep coming back for more. If you really didn't care & was neutral towards him then you would never react with so much emotion.
Well Root & Williamson clearly aren't great loi batsmen, it's as simple as that. Root lost his place in the t20 unit a long time ago & was kept out of odi side for more than two years. The only reason he has been brought back & retained is due to his ability to handle quality spin. Also some key members either lost form or retired, which created a void.
Kane has become a cult figure almost akin tragic hero in Nz cricket. They continue with him because he is a magnificent captain & generally a great reader of the games. He won them their first world title & led them into multiple icc finals. So naturally he gets a bit leeway due to that. But purely as a batter in the current Nz odi unit he isn't really exclusive, they can easily function without him.

 

[Abhilash93]

Today break down of Babar Runs

Bowler​	Balls​	Runs​
Pandya​	8​	15​
Thakur​	10​	10​
Siraj​	8​	8​
Kuldeep​	18​	10​
Jadeja​	14​	7​

So basically he bashed Pandya @ 200 SR, scored at run-a-ball against Siraj and massively struggled @ 50 SR against Kuldeep/Jadeja.

This may kind of sum up his batting pedigree - On average, he will score good against Thakur/Pandya and even Siraj-not-at-his-best level of bowlers, but will struggle against good spinners and possibly also vs better pacers like Bumrah.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

He is a deeply mediocre player against spin. 17 runs in 32 balls and never looked in control. Barely survived an LBW shout too.

Strike rate of bang on 70 against off spin since last year. Certainly a bit overrated against spin and overrated by his fans in general.

 

[mominsaigol]

Babar is not even in league of Rohit, comparison with Kohli is frankly amusing.

Rohit hit a match winning 86.

Babar hit an impactless 50 in which he was struggling half the time against spinners and was happy to feast only on Pandya and Thakur.

There is no comparison in any world of Kohli and Babar.

His 60 average is one of the most flawed statistic in history of sport.

Only Rizwans misleading 50 average in T20s is probably a worst statistic in cricket.

But dont worry.

Afghanistan and Bangladesh are coming soon.

Time to don the pads.

That avg is now below kohli's lol, the 60 is 57 and will be dropping further XD.

 

[mominsaigol]

He is a deeply mediocre player against spin. 17 runs in 32 balls and never looked in control. Barely survived an LBW shout too.

Bro what did you expect? His fans state he's the 2nd coming of Bradman even though bradman was clearly the best player of his era by Miles.

When bodyline was introduced, no other batsmen even averaged 10 but bradman sill averaged 55. The bodlyine was introduced just for bradman, he was so good in his era, they literally invented an illegal technique to attack him with.

Babar however is not the best batsmen of his era and literally no one is afraid of him. Kuldeep is literally laughing saying "Yh It's easy to bowl to someone who's not attacking you" .

And I don't think kuldeep is being humble or anything, I'm 100% sure he's dead serious lol, every team in the tournament that India has dominated all tried to attack kuldeep and made him vary his line and length, except Pakistan especially babar who didn't once try to go after him lol.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Bro what did you expect? His fans state he's the 2nd coming of Bradman even though bradman was clearly the best player of his era by Miles.

When bodyline was introduced, no other batsmen even averaged 10 but bradman sill averaged 55. The bodlyine was introduced just for bradman, he was so good in his era, they literally invented an illegal technique to attack him with.

Babar however is not the best batsmen of his era and literally no one is afraid of him. Kuldeep is literally laughing saying "Yh It's easy to bowl to someone who's not attacking you" .

And I don't think kuldeep is being humble or anything, I'm 100% sure he's dead serious lol, every team in the tournament that India has dominated all tried to attack kuldeep and made him vary his line and length, except Pakistan especially babar who didn't once try to go after him lol.

Thats because if he gets before 50, how will he get ICC top ranked player?

They all play for themselves.

I can sum his entire career in 1 match.

Australia 371.

Pak 330 odd.

Mr Babar Azam oblivious to everything playing for his century without attempting to win the match.

 

[mominsaigol]

Thats because if he gets before 50, how will he get ICC top ranked player?

They all play for themselves.

I can sum his entire career in 1 match.

Australia 371.

Pak 330 odd.

Mr Babar Azam oblivious to everything playing for his century without attempting to win the match.

The no less then Bradman comments anger me. Ik different eras and all, but one is quite literally miles ahead of Any other batter in his era.

If babar was superior to other batters in his era then sure, I wouldn't mind the comments at all, just like o wouldn't someone saying viv or sachin are no less then Bradman.

Bowlers feared viv, Don etc, my entire family fears kohli when he simply walks out to bat lol.

No one on the planet fears babar azam. Especially when kuldeep is outright saying he's just bowling normally, like whats the point of variation and changing your line and length if the batsmen isn't going to come after you?

When kphli gets out, everyone leaps for joy, I remember kohli getting run out in the t20 game in 2012 against Pakistan and my dad was like KOHLI OUT KOHLI OUT YESSSSSSSSSS.

I've yet to come across an indian who looks at babar and is like yh I'm so glad we dinsissed babar, he sure would have taken the game away from us

 

[Rana]

The no less then Bradman comments anger me. Ik different eras and all, but one is quite literally miles ahead of Any other batter in his era.

If babar was superior to other batters in his era then sure, I wouldn't mind the comments at all, just like o wouldn't someone saying viv or sachin are no less then Bradman.

Bowlers feared viv, Don etc, my entire family fears kohli when he simply walks out to bat lol.

No one on the planet fears babar azam. Especially when kuldeep is outright saying he's just bowling normally, like whats the point of variation and changing your line and length if the batsmen isn't going to come after you?

When kphli gets out, everyone leaps for joy, I remember kohli getting run out in the t20 game in 2012 against Pakistan and my dad was like KOHLI OUT KOHLI OUT YESSSSSSSSSS.

I've yet to come across an indian who looks at babar and is like yh I'm so glad we dinsissed babar, he sure would have taken the game away from us

Na trust me Sri Lanka fear Babar Azam

They have jobbed so many times to him and now Rizwan and Shafique, it’s unbelievable

 

[mominsaigol]

Na trust me Sri Lanka fear Babar Azam

They have jobbed so many times to him and now Rizwan and Shafique, it’s unbelievable

They don't fear him, their not playing full strength. If hasaranga was here, Babar would be vanishing.

Sri lanka aren't even at full strength, its literally their b/c team that's giving us a headache and having close encounters. And Sri lanka is a minnow team .

Truth is at full strength Sri lanka, South Africa, Australia, England, NZ, India. Their all > us.

Sri lanka test series was saud and Abdullah saving us and playing one hit wonders cause saud is a class test bat and he single handedly win that game along with abrar and naseem.

Babar, Imam were bunnies and rizzu would have gotten cremated had he batted up the order.

Our test test is stronger then our odi team due to abrar being frontline and sarfi holding down the no 7 slot well alongside saud and Abdullah being in their speciality format.

Play their main team against pakistan's odi team, unless we have naseem, we are losing.

 

[Hitman]

What was the bowling attack Maliks and Butts were facing and what is the bowling attack Babar is facing? It is funny mentioning their name on this thread.

His fans have faith in him and no one is saying that it was a class act by Babar, we have surely seen better from the best batter in the world.

Goodness! You still maintain that?

 

[VForVendetta]

The no less then Bradman comments anger me. Ik different eras and all, but one is quite literally miles ahead of Any other batter in his era.

If babar was superior to other batters in his era then sure, I wouldn't mind the comments at all, just like o wouldn't someone saying viv or sachin are no less then Bradman.

Bowlers feared viv, Don etc, my entire family fears kohli when he simply walks out to bat lol.

No one on the planet fears babar azam. Especially when kuldeep is outright saying he's just bowling normally, like whats the point of variation and changing your line and length if the batsmen isn't going to come after you?

When kphli gets out, everyone leaps for joy, I remember kohli getting run out in the t20 game in 2012 against Pakistan and my dad was like KOHLI OUT KOHLI OUT YESSSSSSSSSS.

I've yet to come across an indian who looks at babar and is like yh I'm so glad we dinsissed babar, he sure would have taken the game away from us

I am pretty sure Zimbos & mighty Carribians are scared shitless of him. He has caused bunch of innocent Nepalese, Scottish, Dutch & Namibian bowlers to go through sleepless nights.Other respected teams such as Bhutan, Maldives, Mongolia, Singapore, Malaysia, Indonesia etc must be having nightmares of facing him. You are underestimating his intimidation factor, just because SENA+ his 4 sc neighbors don't fear him, doesn't mean rest of the world don't fear him also. It's just a matter of time, he will get those average upto 60 pretty soon.

 

[Itachi]

Today break down of Babar Runs

Bowler​	Balls​	Runs​
Pandya​	8​	15​
Thakur​	10​	10​
Siraj​	8​	8​
Kuldeep​	18​	10​
Jadeja​	14​	7​

A case can be made. Bumrah was so much afraid of babar that Rohit could bring him only when babar was out.

 

[Mamoon]

@heddie19

When all teams are playing in similar conditions with full-strength attacks, the following batsmen are better than or equal to Babar in ODIs.

India:
Kohli
Rohit
Rahul
Gill

Australia:
Smith
Warner
Head

England:
Malan
Root
Bairstow
Buttler

New Zealand:
Conway
Williamson
Mitchell

South Africa:
De Kock
Van Dussen
Markram
Miller

Sri Lanka:
Mendis

Babar is no king and he is not the best batsman in the world. The only difference between him and others is that he plays a lot of matches on highways against underpowered bowling attacks which helps him accumulate a lot of ranking points and hundreds.

People will scoff at some of the names in the list, for example Mendis, but the way he mauled Pakistani bowlers the other day, would Babar have been able to match him if was playing next to him? Certainly not.

Babar’s hype and image is artificially generated. He is a product of Pakistan’s inferiority complex regarding Kohli and its desperation to promote a batsman as the next “king” after Umar Akmal and Shehzad lost their way and Babar was the best fit.

In reality, he is very good but not the batsman his fans think he is. His reputation is much better than his actual skill level and his failure to dominate tournaments recently show that there is no gap between him and the other batsmen when the variables are kept constant.

 

[mominsaigol]

I am pretty sure Zimbos & mighty Carribians are scared shitless of him. He has caused bunch of innocent Nepalese, Scottish, Dutch & Namibian bowlers to go through sleepless nights.Other respected teams such as Bhutan, Maldives, Mongolia, Singapore, Malaysia, Indonesia etc must be having nightmares of facing him. You are underestimating his intimidation factor, just because SENA+ his 4 sc neighbors don't fear him, doesn't mean rest of the world don't fear him also. It's just a matter of time, he will get those average upto 60 pretty soon.

Bro even their not afraid of him. They respect him yes but not afraid.

 

[Third Man]

Babar is not even in league of Rohit, comparison with Kohli is frankly amusing.

Rohit hit a match winning 86.

Babar hit an impactless 50 in which he was struggling half the time against spinners and was happy to feast only on Pandya and Thakur.

There is no comparison in any world of Kohli and Babar.

His 60 average is one of the most flawed statistic in history of sport.

Only Rizwans misleading 50 average in T20s is probably a worst statistic in cricket.

But dont worry.

Afghanistan and Bangladesh are coming soon.

Time to don the pads.

They are playing Afghanistan in Chennai and they have a few spinners too. I wouldn't be so quick to don the pads

 

[ex-q-zit]

Bro even their not afraid of him. They respect him yes but not afraid.

Didn't Aqib javed openly say something like he says to LQ team to not get Babar out so that they can win or something like that? It looked like Babar just wanted a 50 against his name to clear the blemish of not having scored a 50 yet against India than playing a impactful 100.

 

[Cryin Out Loud]

….

I've yet to come across an indian who looks at babar and is like yh I'm so glad we dinsissed babar, he sure would have taken the game away from us

Maybe the reason is that we haven’t played Pakistan enough, but this is so true.

I used to get worried sick every time Miandad came to bat against India India. Inzi too. Babar, I don’t feel a thing.

 

[wasim-fan]

Babar being a great batsman is as true as Pakistan being No1 team. However Babar has a tougher road to take. He has a destabilized setup. He has to manage this team on his shoulders. He also is close to hitting his prime in terms of life cycle as a cricketer. It's not easy. He is a potential great but his team doesn't allow his possibility to grow as a batsman.

 

[mominsaigol]

Didn't Aqib javed openly say something like he says to LQ team to not get Babar out so that they can win or something like that? It looked like Babar just wanted a 50 against his name to clear the blemish of not having scored a 50 yet against India than playing a impactful 100.

Aqid javed said not to get babar out.

Viv Richards in psl use to mock babar in his coaching days with QG

Kuldeep literally mocked babar saying every batsmen atleast tries to attack him and force him to vary line and length and try variation, whereas with babar he's just bowling the same ball over and over. Heck even chacha made kuldeep try something different by bowling on the legs .

Sohaib Akhtar outright said babar can't dominate the bowling like kohli does so the kohli companion doesn't even make sense.

And for those using the NZ 2019 game. Brother I watched that game, people are acting as if he dominated NZ like kohli dominated 1st string Australia in his 2016 days. He didn't dominate NZ, it was a great 100 and the best innings he ever played but he more so just hung in their and survived . 122 ball 100 isn't dominating lol.

Only time babar has dominated is against c string and D string teams, the whole he dominated Australia nonsense annoys me as well lol.

Reality is babar is a bat who's decent against pace, and bang average against spin, overall every team has 2 to 3 players superior to him.

As for why he's made to be on par with viv, Sachin or Don, 3 batsmen who were the best in their era by Miles whereas babar is nowhere close to the best in his era? Idk

 

[mominsaigol]

Maybe the reason is that we haven’t played Pakistan enough, but this is so true.

I used to get worried sick every time Miandad came to bat against India India. Inzi too. Babar, I don’t feel a thing.

False, you've played Pakistan so much that you've literally forgotten babar's presence.

He is a virtual footnote at this point.

Babar literally has accepted kohli as his master, I'm not even joking, I'm dead serious. Kohli walks into the Pakistan dug out every day and literally owns the entire team at this point.
.

 

[heddie19]

@heddie19

When all teams are playing in similar conditions with full-strength attacks, the following batsmen are better than or equal to Babar in ODIs.

India:
Kohli
Rohit
Rahul
Gill

Australia:
Smith
Warner
Head

England:
Malan
Root
Bairstow
Buttler

New Zealand:
Conway
Williamson
Mitchell

South Africa:
De Kock
Van Dussen
Markram
Miller

Sri Lanka:
Mendis

Babar is no king and he is not the best batsman in the world. The only difference between him and others is that he plays a lot of matches on highways against underpowered bowling attacks which helps him accumulate a lot of ranking points and hundreds.

People will scoff at some of the names in the list, for example Mendis, but the way he mauled Pakistani bowlers the other day, would Babar have been able to match him if was playing next to him? Certainly not.

Babar’s hype and image is artificially generated. He is a product of Pakistan’s inferiority complex regarding Kohli and its desperation to promote a batsman as the next “king” after Umar Akmal and Shehzad lost their way and Babar was the best fit.

In reality, he is very good but not the batsman his fans think he is. His reputation is much better than his actual skill level and his failure to dominate tournaments recently show that there is no gap between him and the other batsmen when the variables are kept constant.

Again not answering me about dominating the last WC instead of naming me random batters in the world.
Let me get this straight, you are again trying to belittle a batter, now have courage to listen.

Gill and Rahul are not even close to Babar as far as all 3 formats are concerned. Gill's test career has been abysmal so far. It is funny how you can take names of random cricketers just to belittle Babar.

Babar is head and shoulders above of Smith, Babar on one leg is a better white ball batter than smith and is also better than Warner and Head who just started playing regularly at the of 30.

Babar is a better all format batter than any batter of England. Root is done in T20is, the last T20i he played was 7 years ago and similarly Buttler is done in Tests. I don't even want to mention Malan here

Conway and Mitchel have been good across formats but they are no Babar either, let them play a little more and you'd come to see the reality. Williamson is way behind than Babar in White ball formats at least. Let's not forget the SF both played 11 months ago.

No SA Batsman is even close to Babar and Kusal Mendis is not even half the player Babar is.

You become great by consistency and not by one exceptional innings.

I am sure you must have been saying Shahid Afridi is a better batter than Tendu 2 decades ago because his "impact" on the match with a couple of innings was more than Tendulkar ever had.

I believe you're one of the senior posters here. It is about time @Mamoon stop embarassing yourself.

 

[jnaveen1980]

@heddie19


Babar is no king and he is not the best batsman in the world. The only difference between him and others is that he plays a lot of matches on highways against underpowered bowling attacks which helps him accumulate a lot of ranking points and hundreds.

A batsman loses 1% of the points for each missed matches. Players miss a lot of matches that massively impact the rankings. In the last 2 years or so due to league committments and workload management lot of batsmen around the world miss a lot of matches. This is why LOI rankings have to be taken with a pinch of salt. T20 ranking even more so.

IN the last 2 years Number of matches missed by top players

​

Player​	Missed Matches​
Williamson​	28​
Rohit Sharma​	21​
Virat Kohli​	18​
Conway​	17​
Bairstow​	15​
Gill​	15​
Jo Root​	14​
SPD Smith​	11​
DJ Malan​	9​

Warner​	6​
QDK​	4​
RVD​	3​
Markram​	3​
Buttler​	3
Babar	0

​

 

[Thephenom]

There are some people in the world who will tell you the world is flat even though everybody knows it’s round and will never change there mind regardless.

I just think it’s unfair to rely on someone who no disrespect isn’t intelligent enough to be captain, give it to someone else and let him concentrate on his batting.

Yes Babar isn’t perfect, but how can any of our players ever be competitive with the rest when they don’t play regularly against the best?!

 

[mominsaigol]

Whoever labelled Babar as king are clearly deluded, just like the ones who say Imam will have 25+ 100’s in ODI’s by the end of his career.

That was Savage lol

 

[Mamoon]

Again not answering me about dominating the last WC instead of naming me random batters in the world.
Let me get this straight, you are again trying to belittle a batter, now have courage to listen.

Gill and Rahul are not even close to Babar as far as all 3 formats are concerned. Gill's test career has been abysmal so far. It is funny how you can take names of random cricketers just to belittle Babar.

Babar is head and shoulders above of Smith, Babar on one leg is a better white ball batter than smith and is also better than Warner and Head who just started playing regularly at the of 30.

Babar is a better all format batter than any batter of England. Root is done in T20is, the last T20i he played was 7 years ago and similarly Buttler is done in Tests. I don't even want to mention Malan here

Conway and Mitchel have been good across formats but they are no Babar either, let them play a little more and you'd come to see the reality. Williamson is way behind than Babar in White ball formats at least. Let's not forget the SF both played 11 months ago.

No SA Batsman is even close to Babar and Kusal Mendis is not even half the player Babar is.

You become great by consistency and not by one exceptional innings.

I am sure you must have been saying Shahid Afridi is a better batter than Tendu 2 decades ago because his "impact" on the match with a couple of innings was more than Tendulkar ever had.

I believe you're one of the senior posters here. It is about time @Mamoon stop embarassing yourself.

I will demolish this post later today. Busy right now.

 

[heddie19]

A batsman loses 1% of the points for each missed matches. Players miss a lot of matches that massively impact the rankings. In the last 2 years or so due to league committments and workload management lot of batsmen around the world miss a lot of matches. This is why LOI rankings have to be taken with a pinch of salt. T20 ranking even more so.

IN the last 2 years Number of matches missed by top players

​

Player​	Missed Matches​
Williamson​	28​
Rohit Sharma​	21​
Virat Kohli​	18​
Conway​	17​
Bairstow​	15​
Gill​	15​
Jo Root​	14​
SPD Smith​	11​
DJ Malan​	9​

Warner​	6​
QDK​	4​
RVD​	3​
Markram​	3​
Buttler​	3
Babar	0

​

Another reason why he is a great batter who is keeping is national commitments ahead of anything unlike any other batter. Do you know that despite of Babar playing all the matches, the number of matches him and Pak got between 19-23 are least amongst any nations and he is able to achieve and keep the number 1 ranking knowing that his team has the least number of ODIs amongst all the teams. This is truly commendable.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Another reason why he is a great batter who is keeping is national commitments ahead of anything unlike any other batter. Do you know that despite of Babar playing all the matches, the number of matches him and Pak got between 19-23 are least amongst any nations and he is able to achieve and keep the number 1 ranking knowing that his team has the least number of ODIs amongst all the teams. This is truly commendable.

I say workload management as well. Also giving chance to others to improve bench strength. Do you think he had to play all 3 matches against Holland?

 

[heddie19]

I will demolish this post later today. Busy right now.

I am not going anywhere neither is world no. 1 batter for almost 1000 days

 

[Mamoon]

You need to demolish your ego first. and sure take your time, find some replies. Try a little harder to belittle him further
I am not going anywhere neither is world no. 1 batter for almost 1000 days

I already know what I have to say, but I can’t type long essays right now because I’m preoccupied.

 

[heddie19]

I say workload management as well. Also giving chance to others to improve bench strength. Do you think he had to play all 3 matches against Holland?

Workload managment is not for a batter in 20s. For seamers, sure. That was our only away tour in last 2 years of cycle. He needed to play it of course, at least 2/3 games. Netherlands would have beaten us otherwise. That is how much reliant we are on one batter. The series he was rested for. We lost it to afghanistan.
And i am going to correct you with this myth of not trying new player too. We tried Mohammad Haris in the middle order in the same series and he failed to deliver. We have tried all the seamers that we have be it Dahani, Hasnain, Azam khan, Musa or whoever.

The problem is that our talent and pool of players is limited. We honestly don't have Gaikwad or Jaiswal in our domestic. The ones that we have, you are seeing them in the WC (Saud, Abdullah)

I am watching cricket since 1999. Have been following domestic since 2012. No batter is/was even close to Babar Azam in white ball cricket. He has taken cricket forward. Let's give him the due respect instead of riding on a bandwagon of wrongly critisizing him.

 

[heddie19]

I already know what I have to say, but I can’t type long essays right now because I’m preoccupied.

You must know what you have to listen too

 

[jnaveen1980]

That was our only away tour in last 2 years of cycle. He needed to play it of course, at least 2/3 games. Netherlands would have beaten us otherwise. That is how much reliant we are on one batter. The series he was rested for. We lost it to afghanistan.
And i am going to correct you with this myth of not trying new player too. We tried Mohammad Haris in the middle order in the same series and he failed to deliver. We have tried all the seamers that we have be it Dahani, Hasnain, Azam khan, Musa or whoever.

The problem is that our talent and pool of players is limited. We honestly don't have Gaikwad or Jaiswal in our domestic. The ones that we have, you are seeing them in the WC (Saud, Abdullah)

I am watching cricket since 1999. Have been following domestic since 2012. No batter is/was even close to Babar Azam in white ball cricket. He has taken cricket forward. Let's give him the due respect instead of riding on a bandwagon of wrongly critisizing him.

So if Babar is injured what will happen? You need to expose yourself to such reality proactively. If you think Netherlands > Pakistan minus Babar then that is even more a serious problem to address.