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[PICTURES/VIDEOS] Ihsanullah - Another promising pacer from KPK

Nikhil_cric said:
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This is 14 year old Ihsanullah from 2017 apparently. Quite the prodigious talent.
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Focus on his current talent.

Don't worry about his age. We aren't asking him to play for U19s.

Assume he is 50 and bowling so well. Would you not select him for your team?
 
Nikhil_cric said:
He seems to be around 26, 27 alright. Issue is that would mean his learning curve won't be as sharp as someone who is a legitimate 20 year old and his career could well be over in another 6-7 years.

As long as PCB are aware and don't have unrealistic expectations, it'll be fine.
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MenInG said:
Focus on his current talent.

Don't worry about his age. We aren't asking him to play for U19s.

Assume he is 50 and bowling so well. Would you not select him for your team?
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I've already posted about his talent already. There was already a discussion about his age and some posters were saying it's because of his Pathan genes or it is just 2 years of age fixing etc. I just put it up so that folks can make up their own minds.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
I've already posted about his talent already. There was already a discussion about his age and some posters were saying it's because of his Pathan genes or it is just 2 years of age fixing etc. I just put it up so that folks can make up their own minds.
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Ok thanks - let's move on now.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
He seems to be around 26, 27 alright. Issue is that would mean his learning curve won't be as sharp as someone who is a legitimate 20 year old and his career could well be over in another 6-7 years.

As long as PCB are aware and don't have unrealistic expectations, it'll be fine.
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His skill set is developed enough for a mid 20’s bowler he’s way ahead of development compared to Hasnain or Wasim he’s at Naseem and Raul level just needs more experience under his belt .He’s not played a lot so is fresh enough we can squeeze 5 -7 years off him
 
For what it’s worth I asked my spouse how old she thought he was….she said 43. So I mean….

Regardless throw him in test cricket for a few games and see what happens. As long as he’s performing age doesn’t matter. But it’s unprofessional by the PCB to have this many players with age issues.
 
I don’t understand why people are saying his age doesn’t matter?

He’s a fast bowler, it’s extremely relevant.

A spinner or batter can play well into their late 30’s.

Ihsanullah might have a few years left in his career if he’s as old as he looks. Plus a 20 year old fast bowler should be given more chances than a 28/29 year old.
 
Ihsanullah is around 22-23.. not more than that..because I was just listening to his interview..and he was stating on how he started his cricket… he also mentioned that I was selected in 40 players..for under 19..and Shaheen was also there, Hasnain was also there.. shaheen and Hasnain are around 22.. so he must be around same age..one yr plus or minus.
.so not more than 23 max..
 
Forum363 said:
I don’t understand why people are saying his age doesn’t matter?

He’s a fast bowler, it’s extremely relevant.

A spinner or batter can play well into their late 30’s.

Ihsanullah might have a few years left in his career if he’s as old as he looks. Plus a 20 year old fast bowler should be given more chances than a 28/29 year old.
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It makes no difference at this point. You pick him because he will give you around 3 years and even if he is 27, you will still get 3 years. SSA and Naseem are both in the mid 20s. It would make a difference if he is getting some special treatment on the consideration of his age. In this case its irrelevant
 
Bewal Express said:
It makes no difference at this point. You pick him because he will give you around 3 years and even if he is 27, you will still get 3 years. SSA and Naseem are both in the mid 20s. It would make a difference if he is getting some special treatment on the consideration of his age. In this case its irrelevant
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So if a 20 year old fast bowler makes his international debut and plays 15 matches, doesn’t look like the finished article, but has good potential - he should be treated the exact same as a 28/29 year old fast bowler who plays 15 matches and needs work?
 
Forum363 said:
So if a 20 year old fast bowler makes his international debut and plays 15 matches, doesn’t look like the finished article, but has good potential - he should be treated the exact same as a 28/29 year old fast bowler who plays 15 matches and needs work?
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Not if he is bowling at 90mph. He will then be given more rope in the hope he can get people out. I don't think your point is wrong, the fake ages have done a lot of damage to our teams. But nearly everyone is over age, for example I know people that played with Shadab and the guy was 2 years younger than Shadab and he is 26, while Shadab is around 24 on paper.
 
I think Ihsan is ready enough to give us 5 good years from the get go. This is not a Naseem or Shaheen case that you knew there is potential but it could take a little time for potential to show results.

I think Ihsanullah will be able to give results couple of games in to his career.
 
Bewal Express said:
Not if he is bowling at 90mph. He will then be given more rope in the hope he can get people out. I don't think your point is wrong, the fake ages have done a lot of damage to our teams. But nearly everyone is over age, for example I know people that played with Shadab and the guy was 2 years younger than Shadab and he is 26, while Shadab is around 24 on paper.
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Agreed, a lot of players age fudge and it’s not a big deal. But the point is, 2 years for a young spinner don’t make a difference at all. I agree with your age doesn’t matter point there.

But 7/8 years for a fast bowler make a huge difference. And it’s something to take into consideration in terms of how to handle him.
 
Untill he improves his fielding should be nowhere near the team set the standards.
 
zamana said:
The eternal pessimist. A prophet of doom. Always off target with very poor understanding of cricket.
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Best we ignore such statements and concentrate on the positives.
 
Brilliant display of fast bowling

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hes got good raw ingredients

pcb need to take him under their wing get him ready for untnl cricket over the next 12-18 months

he needs to improve his fielding, improve his bowling stamina and be able to bat a little Hard work needed but has lots of potential as a bowler

lets say hes 25 Pakistan can still get a good 5 to 6 years out of him if they look after him
 
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Zaz said:
hes got good raw ingredients

pcb need to take him under their wing get him ready for untnl cricket over the next 12-18 months

he needs to improve his fielding, improve his bowling stamina and be able to bat a little Hard work needed but has lots of potential as a bowler

lets say hes 25 Pakistan can still get a good 5 to 6 years out of him if they look after him
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I know we are desperate for batsman. So many were chucked straight in there based on a few good performances which ultimately did them not favours.

However our bowling stocks are not so bad. I hope common sense prevails and Ihsanullah is seen as a future prospect rather than someone to try and have ready for India this year.

I agree he is probably 24/25, but there is still time to mould him into something better than he already is. Another season of FC would be ideal.

Meanwhile he has the time to work on his awful fielding which will absolute bring the ire of Pakistan fans until he improves on it.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Ihsanullah's numbers so far at PSL 8:<br><br>Overs 15.4<br>Maidens 1<br>Runs conceded 92<br>Wickets 12<br>Average 7.66<br>Economy-rate 5.87<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PSL8?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PSL8</a> <a href="https://t.co/i9dItGVYJI">pic.twitter.com/i9dItGVYJI</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@SajSadiqCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/SajSadiqCricket/status/1627311082585968640?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 19, 2023</a></blockquote>
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Top wicket-taker so far

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The problem of age-fudging needs to be rooted out in Pakistan.

If Ihsanullah is bowling well and deserves to be picked for Pakistan, then he should be looked after as a 27 year old, which he probably, is and not like a 20 year old.

The mechanics of managing a 27 year old is vastly different to that of a 20 year old.

Also, when age is fudged like in this case, blatantly, it takes up a space for a genuine Emerging player who should've been playing. It sends the wrong message to everyone that in order to move forward, you need to do whatever needs to be done. Even if it means age fudging. This is corruption.
 
shariqnoor said:
The problem of age-fudging needs to be rooted out in Pakistan.

If Ihsanullah is bowling well and deserves to be picked for Pakistan, then he should be looked after as a 27 year old, which he probably, is and not like a 20 year old.

The mechanics of managing a 27 year old is vastly different to that of a 20 year old.

Also, when age is fudged like in this case, blatantly, it takes up a space for a genuine Emerging player who should've been playing. It sends the wrong message to everyone that in order to move forward, you need to do whatever needs to be done. Even if it means age fudging. This is corruption.
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Great. Let’s post that in the age fudging thread. In the meantime, what’s your opinion on his ability?
 
KingOfPakBreakfast said:
Great. Let’s post that in the age fudging thread. In the meantime, what’s your opinion on his ability?
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So far looks good. Has pace and a good direction of where to bowl.

However, history suggests that Pakistani bowlers come with a bang only to look really mediocre after a couple of years. Shaheen is the only exception.

So I'm not overly jumping out of my seat as of now. I'd like to see him play against quality batsmen for 5-6 matches to judge how good he is and can be.
 
shariqnoor said:
So far looks good. Has pace and a good direction of where to bowl.

However, history suggests that Pakistani bowlers come with a bang only to look really mediocre after a couple of years. Shaheen is the only exception.

So I'm not overly jumping out of my seat as of now. I'd like to see him play against quality batsmen for 5-6 matches to judge how good he is and can be.
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That's because as they get analysed by the opposition they have to find a way to stay ahead and that doesn't mean developing a new ball, it can be as simple as honing your strengths. Then there are the inevitable injuries and how they are looked after with so much money sloshing around the world in T20 leagues. And oh I forgot some of the guys lack basic intelligence and are just desperate to eat and drink to excess and also take drugs.
 
Him and Akif two great finds so far with the ball

Abbas Afridi also quitely doing his thing
 
KingOfPakBreakfast said:
Great. Let’s post that in the age fudging thread. In the meantime, what’s your opinion on his ability?
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Why can't we discuss Ihsanullah's age in his thread?

Shariqnoor makes a very reasonable point about the mechanics of a 20 year old being different to a 27 year old.

We all know his age is fudged so i think it's fair to weigh that up alongside discussions about his ability (which has been very impressive so far)
 
hitthestump said:
Why can't we discuss Ihsanullah's age in his thread?

Shariqnoor makes a very reasonable point about the mechanics of a 20 year old being different to a 27 year old.

We all know his age is fudged so i think it's fair to weigh that up alongside discussions about his ability (which has been very impressive so far)
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Because it’s a lazy argument. Unless you were there when he was delivered in the maternity ward of Swat General Hospital, you have zero idea what his real age is. Neither do I.

What’s wrong important is what he’s shown and what he can do in the now. Let’s also not forget that he has very few miles on the clock as well. So if anything, he’s potentially had a few good years ahead of him.
 
Early potential everyone can show. Only Imran, Wasim, Waqar and to a certain extent Shoaib maintained high standards from beginning to end.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A lot of respect from Ihsanullah for the senior players at the PSL <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MSvKK?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MSvKK</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PSL8?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PSL8</a> <a href="https://t.co/QJH32sONqa">pic.twitter.com/QJH32sONqa</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@SajSadiqCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/SajSadiqCricket/status/1628430306695938049?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 22, 2023</a></blockquote>
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Amazing the expectations whenever Ihsan comes into bowl - Don't care about his age etc - this guy needs to be in our whiteball squad. Haris Rauf can now take a break!

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Another brilliant spell from Ihsanullah today - 1/17 in 4 overs. Pretty much unplayable at times.
 
145 kph from this guy feels like 154 kph for other bowlers.
He is beating everyone for pace. Something ive seen a lot of 90 mph bowlers struggle to do.
 
He doesn’t lose much pace after releasing the ball and this is the reason he is beating with pace , normally a pace bowler loses around 20k from the release to the impact but he seems to be losing only 8 to 10k
 
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only guy who bowled well today and was the reason why Multan won. Had he not been economical, KK almost stole the game
 
MenInG said:
Amazing the expectations whenever Ihsan comes into bowl - Don't care about his age etc - this guy needs to be in our whiteball squad. Haris Rauf can now take a break!

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Exactly who cares about his age, the guy is performing well now, time to get a call for the national side.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Multan Sultans - 196/2<br>Karachi Kings - 193/5<br><br>In a match where the overall figures were 389/7, Ihsanullah goes for just 17 runs from his 4 overs which included 13 dot balls<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PSL8?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PSL8</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MSvKK?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MSvKK</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@SajSadiqCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/SajSadiqCricket/status/1628450668380839941?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 22, 2023</a></blockquote>
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MenInG said:
Amazing the expectations whenever Ihsan comes into bowl - Don't care about his age etc - this guy needs to be in our whiteball squad. Haris Rauf can now take a break!

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Pakistan needs a pool of 22 players(bowler+batters).It is vital that bowlers are rotated otherwise the chance of injuries will increase.Some injuries are freak but stress fractures or shoulder injuries are due to work overload.Haris will be part of the national team for long time.
 
Flat_Track_Bully said:
Nobody is doubting his ability but its going to be funny to see the reactions of the foreigners when he is announced as a 20 year old :91:
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Yes I agree, it is funny, and looks ridiculous, but I am referring to some fans, who are making an issue about it, and some saying he is not young blood, and should not be drafted into the team, if he is performing, than all means he deserves a call up.
 
He's a great find, but those saying let's move on from his blatant age fudging need to be asked, when he plays for Pakistan, the whole cricketing world will be watching him and when they see he is "20," we will be laughing stock.

He's around 25 years old, PCB needs to do a wrist test or something. Age fudging is a form of cheating.
 
Does anyone know how tall Ihsanullah is?

I'm guessing he's at least 6 foot 4.
 
He needs massive improvements in the field until then he shouldn't be considered in t20s or odis.
 
shamaan said:
He needs massive improvements in the field until then he shouldn't be considered in t20s or odis.
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I think his bowling merits his inclusion- no batsman in the world would like to face a tall guy, with a high action bowling around 90mph. His fielding needs a lot of work but no way would not look to play him. He has to play to be ready for the WC. It would be folly of the highest order if we dont pick him.
 
I am sorry but he barely bowled 20 overs in the PSL.

He does not merit a place in the national side just based on this.

Not unless he picks up another fiver, fourfer, and a couple of thirfers.
 
ArabKnight said:
I am sorry but he barely bowled 20 overs in the PSL.

He does not merit a place in the national side just based on this.

Not unless he picks up another fiver, fourfer, and a couple of thirfers.
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He had a great QEA and List A season so it isn't just PSL.
 
I dare to say that he can be as good as Afridi. I always find myself jumping on my seat while watching him ball

Thank you PSL 8 for giving us Saim Ayub and Ihsanullah
 
shah_1 said:
He had a great QEA and List A season so it isn't just PSL.
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This.

Ihsanullah played 7 FC games last season taking 22 wickets at an avg of 28. He seemed to have worked hard on his fitness in the last year or so which was a problem when he first appeared onto the scene.
 
Age enthusiasts should pipe down.

He is the best bowler in psl RIGHT NOW not future.
Even if he is 28, his combination of height, Pace and Bounce is special and one of a kind.
 
Some people are more interested in a bowler’s age than his pace and skills.I don’t care about his age.If he can play for Pakistan next 5-10 years then that is what matters.You can not decide some one’s age just by looks.Chronological and biological age is not the same.I know a lady who is 72 but a lot of people think she is 50.Similsrly I know people you are relatively young but look 10-15 years older.Bone density tests and dental examination can be used to determine age but it is not 100% accurate.
 
Bewal Express said:
I think his bowling merits his inclusion- no batsman in the world would like to face a tall guy, with a high action bowling around 90mph. His fielding needs a lot of work but no way would not look to play him. He has to play to be ready for the WC. It would be folly of the highest order if we dont pick him.
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But we can't make exceptions based upon his bowling even if he is high quality.
 
Just hope the low quality press coverage doesn't destroy his career.

One of the interviewers made him say he would like to debut against India etc

Another one got him to say he will break Umran Malik's record etc
 
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shamaan said:
But we can't make exceptions based upon his bowling even if he is high quality.
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Well we can. As I said before his bowling is on already better than all the bowlers that played this winter. Make him work on his fielding but he has real potential
 
Rana said:
Him and Akif two great finds so far with the ball

Abbas Afridi also quitely doing his thing
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Not so sure about Akir and Abbas Afridi, but this guy can be a handful. With his tall height, smooth action and rapid pace.

He strikes me as a more streamlined and less clunky version of Mohammad Irfan. I dunno if this is his actual pace or not. Because alot of bowlers bowl quicker in T20s than they do in other formats.
 
shamaan said:
So you want special treatment for certain players.
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Taken your argument to a logical conclusion, his fielding won't improve and he will never get picked.As a bowler his job is to take wickets economically and if he does that,he has to play. At the same time Mickey has to put in a proper fielding plan for him and get him a coach
 
Bewal Express said:
Taken your argument to a logical conclusion, his fielding won't improve and he will never get picked.As a bowler his job is to take wickets economically and if he does that,he has to play. At the same time Mickey has to put in a proper fielding plan for him and get him a coach
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Proper fielding in place whilst on holiday in England great.
 
shamaan said:
Proper fielding in place whilst on holiday in England great.
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He doesn't have to come to England. Fielding is obviously technical but more importantly, it's an attitude. Surely we have someone in PK that can work with him. He has too much potential to waste and no batsman will feel at ease against him.
 
Bewal Express said:
He doesn't have to come to England. Fielding is obviously technical but more importantly, it's an attitude. Surely we have someone in PK that can work with him. He has too much potential to waste and no batsman will feel at ease against him.
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Agreed no batesman will feel at ease against him.
 
Mohammad Amir giving Ihsan some tips

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MenInG said:
Mohammad Amir giving Ihsan some tips

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I hope he stays away from such losers.
 
Can't stop taking wickets

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He's making it more and more impossible to keep him out of the National team with each passing game.

It's not just the wickets, it's the aura which his brand of bowling brings too.

I just hope he remains fit.
 
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