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[PICTURES/VIDEOS] Justice for Salman Ali Agha? Why can't he be a regular for Pakistan?

Good knock today with a lot of stupidity towards the end in giving the strike to tailenders.

As I always say he’s a good Test batsman.

He can do good in low scoring ODIs too but that will exclude him from ICC tournaments and on batting pitches.

Not an ideal white ball batter, and more of an anchor.
 
Hawkeye said:
Good knock today with a lot of stupidity towards the end in giving the strike to tailenders.

As I always say he’s a good Test batsman.

He can do good in low scoring ODIs too but that will exclude him from ICC tournaments and on batting pitches.

Not an ideal white ball batter, and more of an anchor.
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It was Steve Waugh who used to believe in backing the tailenders and treating them like proper batters. He’d give them the strike, trust them to hold up their end, and focus on building partnerships instead of trying to be a hero. Runs are runs, no matter who’s standing at the other end.

Salman did just that today and the proof is in the pudding.
 
Hawkeye said:
Good knock today with a lot of stupidity towards the end in giving the strike to tailenders.

As I always say he’s a good Test batsman.

He can do good in low scoring ODIs too but that will exclude him from ICC tournaments and on batting pitches.

Not an ideal white ball batter, and more of an anchor.
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If he faced all the deliveries he’d be putting more pressure on himself and the team by not rotating strike.

On a surface where almost every batter struggled on, you can’t expect him to chase the remaining runs with boundaries and 2’s.

Plus, we still had wickets in hand. If we were 9 down then fair enough, but we had to play it deep, and if Agha faced most of the deliveries he would’ve been at more risk of getting out, leaving us with Rauf, and Abrar scoring 20-30 runs.

Agha did the right thing by rotating imo
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
It was Steve Waugh who used to believe in backing the tailenders and treating them like proper batters. He’d give them the strike, trust them to hold up their end, and focus on building partnerships instead of trying to be a hero. Runs are runs, no matter who’s standing at the other end.

Salman did just that today and the proof is in the pudding.
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Depends on the tail tbf.

Naseem has saved pakistan's bum countless times with the bat with his Afghanistan knocks being his most iconic.

He can run, defend, bat and atleast score a good 20 to 40 runs provided a proper batter is at the other end. Hence backing him to rotate is a solid call.

But if it's someone like shaheen then absolutely not.

One good thing about this era is that the tail is stronger courtesy of Naseem.

I remember when our tail use to be

8) Gul (can bat)
9) Ajmal( Useless with the bat beyond fluke knicks)
10) Junaid Khan (Somehow even worse then ajmal as a bat)
11) Muhammad irfan (lol)
 
Agha Salman & Saud Shakeel are threat to Rizwan's ODI captaincy. They will never get consistent opportunities in this format. I don't understand why Saud is out of ODI team
 
mominsaigol said:
Depends on the tail tbf.

Naseem has saved pakistan's bum countless times with the bat with his Afghanistan knocks being his most iconic.

He can run, defend, bat and atleast score a good 20 to 40 runs provided a proper batter is at the other end. Hence backing him to rotate is a solid call.

But if it's someone like shaheen then absolutely not.

One good thing about this era is that the tail is stronger courtesy of Naseem.

I remember when our tail use to be

8) Gul (can bat)
9) Ajmal( Useless with the bat beyond fluke knicks)
10) Junaid Khan (Somehow even worse then ajmal as a bat)
11) Muhammad irfan (lol)
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Doesn't apply to every situation but certain tailenders are capable of alot if you give them confidence and guide them.
 
@jeeteshssaxena @Devadwal

Rizwan is better then Agha 🤡🤡.

Then again im not surprised. 90% of Indian posters have no knowledge about cricket.

Travis head is siddu level 🤡.

Ashwin and jadeja are Shaun Pollock level ATG 🤡.

India achieved an atg feat by drawing a test that was rained out for 3.5 days 🤡.

We should host all WTC's in India 🤡.

Bumrah is superior to Malcom Marshall and Mcgrath 🤡.

Only Indians can come up with such gems.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
It was Steve Waugh who used to believe in backing the tailenders and treating them like proper batters. He’d give them the strike, trust them to hold up their end, and focus on building partnerships instead of trying to be a hero. Runs are runs, no matter who’s standing at the other end.

Salman did just that today and the proof is in the pudding.
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Salman has his way of going about things and scoring runs with the tail. He has been very impressive in Tests. He did it again in ODIs today.

People just like to talk, cause it's cheap. They don't know A of the alphabets that Salman has learned batting with the tail in International Cricket.
 
RidiculousMan said:
Salman has his way of going about things and scoring runs with the tail. He has been very impressive in Tests. He did it again in ODIs today.

People just like to talk, cause it's cheap. They don't know A of the alphabets that Salman has learned batting with the tail in International Cricket.
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Test and odi fresh air for pak as he's 100x > Shadab and Chacha as a player.

I made this OP months in advance for this reason.

Garbage t20 player. Needs to be replaced in t20 ASAP.

But I said this months back as well. Agha's left foot is superior to imad, Chacha, Shadab, Nawaz or any other pseudo allrpunder pakistan has had since 2015.
 
Might be a minor thing, but I really liked Agha's gesture of giving the POTM award to Saim. Agha may not have alot of experience but he carries himself like a senior player and that's pleasing to see for the future of this team.
 
RidiculousMan said:
Salman has his way of going about things and scoring runs with the tail. He has been very impressive in Tests. He did it again in ODIs today.

People just like to talk, cause it's cheap. They don't know A of the alphabets that Salman has learned batting with the tail in International Cricket.
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Bro he looks a master with tail knew exactly what to do after shaheen got out he had bowlers which he target was spot on genious.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Might be a minor thing, but I really liked Agha's gesture of giving the POTM award to Saim. Agha may not have alot of experience but he carries himself like a senior player and that's pleasing to see for the future of this team.
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I made this thread because agha is simply >>>>>>>>>> Imad, Shadab, Nawaz, Chacha or any other pseudo lower order bat allrounder you can think from Pakistan.

He's still comfortably behind malik and hafeez because his numbers and records aren't their yet and despite the criticism both malik and hafeez have multiple crucial knocks both bowling wise and batting wise throughout their careers.

Agha atm has played a few as well including this one but he's got to play multiple more.

Main gripe is t20 however. He's god awful in that format, however I still back him.

Talent wise he's a proper batter and a decent utility bowler who can make use of the conditions if they suit him.

Much better then someone like shadab, chacha or nawaz who are fake bowlers and fake batters.

Chacha isn't a fake batter but he sucks and is slower then molasses while shadab use to be a proper bowler before injury and then he changed his action and he's now rubbish.
 
Aqib_mustafa said:
Bro he looks a master with tail knew exactly what to do after shaheen got out he had bowlers which he target was spot on genious.
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Agha, Noman and Sajid.

Proper allrounders for pakistan. Noman is old but sajid and agha should be PK's main allrounders.

Someone please kick abrar out. Useless qith the ball and a no 11 batter.
 
mominsaigol said:
I made this thread because agha is simply >>>>>>>>>> Imad, Shadab, Nawaz, Chacha or any other pseudo lower order bat allrounder you can think from Pakistan.

He's still comfortably behind malik and hafeez because his numbers and records aren't their yet and despite the criticism both malik and hafeez have multiple crucial knocks both bowling wise and batting wise throughout their careers.

Agha atm has played a few as well including this one but he's got to play multiple more.

Main gripe is t20 however. He's god awful in that format, however I still back him.

Talent wise he's a proper batter and a decent utility bowler who can make use of the conditions if they suit him.

Much better then someone like shadab, chacha or nawaz who are fake bowlers and fake batters.

Chacha isn't a fake batter but he sucks and is slower then molasses while shadab use to be a proper bowler before injury and then he changed his action and he's now rubbish.
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I honestly don't think it really matters who you play in T20s at this point. The T20 WC is quite far away. There are two PSLs in between. Pakistan will have plenty of players to pick from. I don't necessarily see the harm in playing Agha in T20s given the low-stakes at play right now. If he can play these types of innings in T20 too, it will greatly benefit us. Mental toughness trumps everything else in my book. If you are mentally tough, you can break any barrier.
 
mominsaigol said:
Agha, Noman and Sajid.

Proper allrounders for pakistan. Noman is old but sajid and agha should be PK's main allrounders.

Someone please kick abrar out. Useless qith the ball and a no 11 batter.
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Sajid isnt a all rounder.
 
A successful stint comes to an end, indeed valuable runs against South Africa in the 2nd ODI

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After doing well with the bat, Salman resumes his magic with the ball....danger man Rassie Van DER Dussen gone. Pakistan on top at the moment against South Africa in the 2nd ODI
 
I love Agha. Think he’s one of the best players in the test team but I think it’s criminal to put him in the position of being a full time spinner in tests. He’s just not there yet.
 
Abid Z said:
I love Agha. Think he’s one of the best players in the test team but I think it’s criminal to put him in the position of being a full time spinner in tests. He’s just not there yet.
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I agree he shouldn't be asked to bowl that many overs.He has more than done his job with the ball.
 
Salman Agha at the post-match ceremony after receiving the Man of the Match award against South Africa:

"We knew it was a good wicket to bat on, and our goal was to take the game deep, focusing on five-over phases at a time and luckily it worked."

"That catch was just one of those moments where the ball stuck perfectly in my hand. I always try to contribute in all three departments which helped me pull it off."

"To be honest, it was a very good wicket in the first innings as well, pitch didn’t change much throughout the game, there was a bit of reverse swing in the first innings but apart from that it remained a good wicket all day. Hopefully in the final we can set a strong total and I have full confidence in our bowling attack to defend any score."
 
Salman Agha has jumped 24 spots to 48th in the latest ICC ODI batters rankings...

That century was some innings from him... Hope he continues his form now
 
Justice delayed is Justice denied, however in Aghas case Justice is being done timely, T20 captain of young team he can express himself and command his authority, hope for the best
 
Kianig89 said:
Justice delayed is Justice denied, however in Aghas case Justice is being done timely, T20 captain of young team he can express himself and command his authority, hope for the best
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We should fully support our team in difficult times
Inshallah we will win asia cup and 2026 wc under Aghas leadership.
 
Test of leadership, test of character it is for Salman , good that he batted at 3 , which means he wants to take responsibility and have the team play around him just no support from any of the top order. Although the selections were questionable, Usman and OBY should have played
 
It was a good knock until it ended. He’s showing signs of being the ideal leader of this unit.
 
Just looking at the captain of Pakistan team one can easily know the state of pakistan cricket... Test set... T20 set... Just find a new captain for ODIs as well...maybe khushdil shah for ODI captaincy...
 
RizwanT20Champ said:
Justice has clearly not been done to Agha. SR of 80 in T20I and captain of Pak T20 team.
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Who asked agha to be in t20? When i made this thread it was in reference to how he was done dirty in world cup 2023.

He's clearly the best no 5 batter and allrounder in the country. Having shadab Khan, Chacha, Nawaz and usama mir over him + Saud shakeel at no 5 is downright laughable?
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
Agha Salman lasted only 2 ,3 balls in champions league
But many greats even faltered in there first few games but were persisted with.
Agha Salman has not got a very shining domestic record
But he has in him the ability technique and guts.
His style of play resembles with the best right hand batsman pakistan has produced .
He averages not that great because of the low treatment metted to him in donestic by batting him at number 6,7 or 8 where as he is a batsman who should be batting in top 4.
He can also bowl useful off break and he turns the ball.
But mainly he is a batsman .
I wish this year he is taken by a good department and us allowed in bat in top 4 or 5 positions and given ample chances . If yes than he will be among top 5 batsman in silver or gold league InshaAllah .
Once Yousuf sees him I know he will run to the ground in Lahore himself and give him tips and advices.
Mind you I am not a fan of Yousufs attitude had he got the right attitude would have served pakistan 3,4 more years just if he would have accepted the challenge of playing domestic and improving fitness he would have been back in pak team after 3,4 months of being dropped by piling big runs but instead he chose to stay at home and blame waqar pcb etc
Otherwise would have achieved more than younis khan who too is a pakistani great in my view in test cricket.

Now see how the players confidence is being shattered and how they are mistreated at domestic level ? Agha Salman is a bright prospect but players inferior then him are being preferred over him in Lahore lions team in the upcoming super 8 team as per the team being mentioned in a news paper .
This is not how to treat players that if he could not score in one game of champions trophy then drop him ? Injustice .
I hope Agha Salman takes it as a challenge be strong and works harder and gets better treatment in future and develops into a fine player inshaAllah
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And 8 Years Later He is our T20i Captain and Odi Captain in the Wings. But should be ODI Captain for an year or two only with Saim Ayub understudy and than hand over the Captaincy to Saim Ayub.
 
mominsaigol said:
Bumping this thread. I called it years ago
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He is a half-decent player. A watered down version of prime Hafeez and Malik, but PCB have put him in a position from where he can only fall and fall down hard.

He has done absolutely nothing to deserve captaincy, but PCB have made him their new father but it will end very badly for him.

The same people who think he is a savior for Pakistan cricket will be hurling abuses at him after they get smashed by India and fail in the Asia Cup.

Everything is temporary in Pakistan cricket. If Sarfaraz, Babar and Rizwan could fall from grace in Pakistan cricket so quickly, Agha is absolutely nothing.

PCB have given him more than he can handle and more than he can deserve. He would have had a long and decent career across formats if he was just allowed to be himself and play as a regular player, but they have tried to force himself into a leadership role which means that when his leadership inevitably fails soon, it might cost him a place in the team.
 
mominsaigol said:
Bumping this thread. I called it years ago
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You called it correctly years ago but you could go further and point out Agha is not a complete player on his own. He needs at least 2 other all rounders with him to really shine in LOI. Nawaz perhaps. Saim maybe.

Agha is a brilliant fielder, has good match awareness can play all formats. Contributes with bat and ball. Very much like Hafeez and malik (afridi). So he needs partners.
 
Mamoon said:
He is a half-decent player. A watered down version of prime Hafeez and Malik, but PCB have put him in a position from where he can only fall and fall down hard.

He has done absolutely nothing to deserve captaincy, but PCB have made him their new father but it will end very badly for him.

The same people who think he is a savior for Pakistan cricket will be hurling abuses at him after they get smashed by India and fail in the Asia Cup.

Everything is temporary in Pakistan cricket. If Sarfaraz, Babar and Rizwan could fall from grace in Pakistan cricket so quickly, Agha is absolutely nothing.

PCB have given him more than he can handle and more than he can deserve. He would have had a long and decent career across formats if he was just allowed to be himself and play as a regular player, but they have tried to force himself into a leadership role which means that when his leadership inevitably fails soon, it might cost him a place in the team.
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No. History of Pakistan cricket tells you that once you’re in as a spinning all rounder across formats your position is pretty much guaranteed. Agha is a gem for Pak cricket and they are rightly grooming him for a long term role. He will fail as often as Malik or Hafeez but that doesn’t mean he can be discarded. They weren’t.
 
Abid Z said:
No. History of Pakistan cricket tells you that once you’re in as a spinning all rounder across formats your position is pretty much guaranteed. Agha is a gem for Pak cricket and they are rightly grooming him for a long term role. He will fail as often as Malik or Hafeez but that doesn’t mean he can be discarded. They weren’t.
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You are looking at him as a player and I am looking at him as an undeserving captain. When you look at Pakistan cricket, a captain who gets sacked from captaincy almost always has his career derailed at least for some years.

It is inevitable that at some point the same fans who are glorifying his leadership will turn against him when things go south. It might happen as soon as the Asia Cup.

When that happens and he is eventually replaced as captain, the chances of him retaining his place in the team will be low. That is what the history of Pakistan cricket shows us.
 
You may be right about this in some contexts but not as a spinning allrounder. For every babar and yousuf you can point to (good players whose lack of captaincy nous undermined their confidence and ability) you can also point to the longevity of Hafeez and malik.

Being poor captains did nothing to undermine these two infact turned them into elder statesmen whose counsel was sought at every turn. If ever there was a country where mediocrity is celebrated and failure is deemed experience it’s Pakistan. Agha will have a long and fruitful career.
 
Careers are short and he needs to bat at 4 and Babar needs to open. Batting at 6 damaged Asad Shafiqs confidence and Career, whereas AA, a guy that was barely international level thrived at 3 with extra responsibility
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
Agha Salman lasted only 2 ,3 balls in champions league
But many greats even faltered in there first few games but were persisted with.
Agha Salman has not got a very shining domestic record
But he has in him the ability technique and guts.
His style of play resembles with the best right hand batsman pakistan has produced .
He averages not that great because of the low treatment metted to him in donestic by batting him at number 6,7 or 8 where as he is a batsman who should be batting in top 4.
He can also bowl useful off break and he turns the ball.
But mainly he is a batsman .
I wish this year he is taken by a good department and us allowed in bat in top 4 or 5 positions and given ample chances . If yes than he will be among top 5 batsman in silver or gold league InshaAllah .
Once Yousuf sees him I know he will run to the ground in Lahore himself and give him tips and advices.
Mind you I am not a fan of Yousufs attitude had he got the right attitude would have served pakistan 3,4 more years just if he would have accepted the challenge of playing domestic and improving fitness he would have been back in pak team after 3,4 months of being dropped by piling big runs but instead he chose to stay at home and blame waqar pcb etc
Otherwise would have achieved more than younis khan who too is a pakistani great in my view in test cricket.

Now see how the players confidence is being shattered and how they are mistreated at domestic level ? Agha Salman is a bright prospect but players inferior then him are being preferred over him in Lahore lions team in the upcoming super 8 team as per the team being mentioned in a news paper .
This is not how to treat players that if he could not score in one game of champions trophy then drop him ? Injustice .
I hope Agha Salman takes it as a challenge be strong and works harder and gets better treatment in future and develops into a fine player inshaAllah
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You're one of the few posters who genuinely have good eye for talent and I respect that a lot.
 
Bewal Express said:
Careers are short and he needs to bat at 4 and Babar needs to open. Batting at 6 damaged Asad Shafiqs confidence and Career, whereas AA, a guy that was barely international level thrived at 3 with extra responsibility
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Somebody has to bat at no. 6 and 7. In Test Cricket all these positions matter.
 
Excellent slip fielder as well. He’s actually a wonderful all-around cricketer in the long format. Number 7 is his spot.

Has no business captaining pak in t20s though. In that format he hides as a batsman and has disappeared as a bowler.
 
Drop abdullah bring in KG. Agha is class. Needs to be our next Hafeez or malik. Allowed to go missing once in a while only to emerge with a monster performance
 
Salman Agha was brilliant in 1st Test match. Not just with the bat, but he did a fine job with the ball as well... He, as a fielder, has been outclass as well.

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Amir Sohail on Salman Ali Agha as a slip fielder:

"What he does so well is he's anticipating everything coming towards him, and that's why he's ready and he's eager."
 
BouncerGuy said:
Salman Agha was brilliant in 1st Test match. Not just with the bat, but he did a fine job with the ball as well... He, as a fielder, has been outclass as well.

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Amir Sohail on Salman Ali Agha as a slip fielder:

"What he does so well is he's anticipating everything coming towards him, and that's why he's ready and he's eager."
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And thats why he's only suited to test and odi and not t20.

In t20 you don't anticipate, you mostly premeditate and decide 2-3 shots you are willing to play depending on where the ball will pitch and then execute said shot.

You can't really anticipate ball by ball and decide your next move
 
mominsaigol said:
And thats why he's only suited to test and odi and not t20.

In t20 you don't anticipate, you mostly premeditate and decide 2-3 shots you are willing to play depending on where the ball will pitch and then execute said shot.

You can't really anticipate ball by ball and decide your next move
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Bro Agha is suited to everything. Test and odi definitely. He’s the most useful player in the squad (test and odi in that he is multi dimensional).

T20 suitability it’s 50/50 because he can contribute with the bat and ball and our t20 team can’t be full of newbies. Agha has a power game but it’s gone missing recently. It’ll return. He’s too timid as captain but it’s early days. Pak players need a chance there is way too much criticism too early.
 
Abid Z said:
Bro Agha is suited to everything. Test and odi definitely. He’s the most useful player in the squad (test and odi in that he is multi dimensional).

T20 suitability it’s 50/50 because he can contribute with the bat and ball and our t20 team can’t be full of newbies. Agha has a power game but it’s gone missing recently. It’ll return. He’s too timid as captain but it’s early days. Pak players need a chance there is way too much criticism too early.
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I agree, but before his t20 debut in PSL his sr was 79 in t20(local).

However the difference is that Agha unlike players like Muhammad Haris spent alot of time in FC, county, List A cricket as a whole.

It's why you can tell that technique wise he's a proper batsmen and not a certified hack.
 
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