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[PICTURES/VIDEOS] Justice for Salman Ali Agha? Why can't he be a regular for Pakistan?

He needs to deliver with the ball as well. Have been very poor as a bowler in Test match Cricket.

He is playing in the XI as an All Rounder and at times even as the sole spinner. His batting is not a problem. But if he's in the XI as an all rounder then he needs to take wickets with the ball too.
 
Will be very valuable in Westindies and subcontinent conditions. Not sold as an all condition player.
 
I have to say i have been very impressed with Agha Salman.

The intent, his shots & his consistency is very impressive. Long may it continue.

In the space of a couple of games he learnt the art of playing with the tailenders as well as taking a positive approach.
 
Didn't think much of him when he came into the side but he has exceeded all expectations by delivering whenever he has gotten the opportunity, regardless of the format. And that too at undesirable positions down the order. He deserves more recognition and more chances. It's a shame that he has not been trusted at all in ICC tournaments.

I think now that the Iftikhar and Azam Khan experiments are over he should be Pakistan's No.6 in ODIs and T20s going forward and he should be a regular in Tests too. If it comes down to leaving out a batter to make room for an extra bowler, I would drop Saud Shakeel over him because he offers much more with the ball and can score runs quickly.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Didn't think much of him when he came into the side but he has exceeded all expectations by delivering whenever he has gotten the opportunity, regardless of the format. And that too at undesirable positions down the order. He deserves more recognition and more chances. It's a shame that he has not been trusted at all in ICC tournaments.

I think now that the Iftikhar and Azam Khan experiments are over he should be Pakistan's No.6 in ODIs and T20s going forward and he should be a regular in Tests too. If it comes down to leaving out a batter to make room for an extra bowler, I would drop Saud Shakeel over him because he offers much more with the ball and can score runs quickly.
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He was pakistan's ace no 4/no 5 in odi prior.

Scored back to back 50's against NZ but then they literally dropped him out of the blue.

Like ASAP, he only had a poor India game in the asia cup so idkw they decided that one game was enough to drop him when the side got bundled out for less them 200.

This is why I originally made this thread. Him getting discarded only to play dead rubbers in world cup 2023 never made any sense to me.

So far he has done nothing to warrant a drop. He's been pakistan's best batting allrounder.
 
TeymurBlake said:
I have to say i have been very impressed with Agha Salman.

The intent, his shots & his consistency is very impressive. Long may it continue.

In the space of a couple of games he learnt the art of playing with the tailenders as well as taking a positive approach.
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I wouldn't say its just the two games. He has been scoring runs ever since he got into the side two years ago. It just so happens that he has fallen under the radar because he doesn't like to make big statements or get the attention of the media.

He was man of the series in PAK's whitewash of Sri Lanka in Sri Lanka last year. And even in that series he played a number of great knocks at 6-7, including a 154-ball 132 in the second test which basically guaranteed PAK's innings victory in that test match.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
I wouldn't say its just the two games. He has been scoring runs ever since he got into the side two years ago. It just so happens that he has fallen under the radar because he doesn't like to make big statements or get the attention of the media.

He was man of the series in PAK's whitewash of Sri Lanka in Sri Lanka last year. And even in that series he played a number of great knocks at 6-7, including a 154-ball 132 in the second test which basically guaranteed PAK's innings victory in that test match.
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Exactly, he's superior to shadab in every way
 
mominsaigol said:
He was pakistan's ace no 4/no 5 in odi prior.

Scored back to back 50's against NZ but then they literally dropped him out of the blue.

Like ASAP, he only had a poor India game in the asia cup so idkw they decided that one game was enough to drop him when the side got bundled out for less them 200.

This is why I originally made this thread. Him getting discarded only to play dead rubbers in world cup 2023 never made any sense to me.

So far he has done nothing to warrant a drop. He's been pakistan's best batting allrounder.
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I don't recall him getting any chances at the 2023 WC. I believe he only got selected in the last match against England, when PAK were all but eliminated. And even in that match he scored a half-century.

If he can keep playing like this, he will solve alot of PAK's problems at No.6 and 7.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
I don't recall him getting any chances at the 2023 WC. I believe he only got selected in the last match against England, when PAK were all but eliminated. And even in that match he scored a half-century.

If he can keep playing like this, he will solve alot of PAK's problems at No.6 and 7.
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That's what I'm saying, he got dropped for no reason until he was recalled to play a dead rubber. Let's face it, even if pakistan had won the toss, no way they were beating England by 326 runs 🤣🤣.

He's been gun in test and odi. His t20 record is poor though in domestic. However in psl at no 3 he impressed.
 
Mamoon said:
An average player like Stokes who can’t even average 35+ shouldn’t be his inspiration. Agha can average 40-42 in Test cricket.
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Yes he should inspire to average 44 like Babar and Rizwan…..
















Hahahaahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahhaahhaahahahahaahahahahahahahahahsha
 
Quite an impressive start of his test career! Can become a key member of PCT in the next decade.
 
I have a comparison thread suggestion

Salman Agha vs Kamindu Mendis, Both bat way down the order. Both can bowl.
 
Salman is exactly what Pakistan needs down the order. He just needs to improve his game ti bat along with tail-enders. He exposes them too much as we saw in the 1st inning. He should have taken more responsibility and scored some quick runs when batting with number 9-10.
 
Agha showing the whole team how to bat on this flat deck. Another 50 for this guy after scoring a century in the first inning against England.
 
Salman Ali Agha follows a good 2023 with the bat with another great year.

His two years are the fourth and fifth best years in terms of batting average below number 6 by a Pakistani.

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Move him to number 4

Enough of this hiding with the tail at 6-7

Man up and play at 4! The team needs it’s in form batter to steady the ship there
 
Rana said:
Move him to number 4

Enough of this hiding with the tail at 6-7

Man up and play at 4! The team needs it’s in form batter to steady the ship there
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They did move him at 4 at one point.

He was pakistan's no 4 and scored 2 back to back 50's against NZ in odi and likely would have been an all format no 4.

But for some reason rizwan had this weird obsession with no 4 and having Agha bat below him.

I find it very very strange that Agha got dropped shortly after until dead rubber games in world cup.

It's really weird and the timing of rizzu o want no 4 followed by agha's removal from no 4 and eventually removal from the squad until Bangladesh game is weirdly shocking
 
Once again, he has to bat with the lower order. Should take more responsibility this time
 
BouncerGuy said:
Once again, he has to bat with the lower order. Should take more responsibility this time
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He's batting at the wrong position. Someone like him shpuld be batting at 5 or 6.

Not 7. Hacks like rizwan and shan have no business batting ahead of him.

And no shan isn't a top order batter, he's a nobody. This so called shan plays with positive intent is such a lie. He shan balls because his technique is beyond poor, He has no defence and he doesnt have the fitness to last, We saw how he faded away as soon as the 150 was scored but every English batter had no issue batting for days.

Bazzballing and attacking is all he can realistically do as staying in their will expose him, cause even if he manages to not get out, his malnourished fitness will expose him soon enough
 
It's sad to see an inform batsman like Agha who is consistently performing is allowed to bat only at 7 with tail. He should surely play above Rizwan to get enough time to play long innings.
 
Salman rewarded for his good form in Tests.

Salman Ali Agha is up one place to a career-best 22nd in the latest ICC rankings.
 
partnership of 22 off 11 balls with Sajid, brilliant batting by Salman..
 
Really a fantastic player. Might be too soon to talk about leadership or promotion up the order as he was dropped twice on the way to his 50 but what I love about him is he is positive and match aware. Doesn’t always look to slog but rotates strike well and is consistent
 
Salman is must in all formats, a proper player with good technique. He is currently 30 but the way he has been treated shows how things works in Pakistan cricket. He can be considered for leadership after a year or so if he continues to perform like this
 
I get that he might like being at #7 given the freedom he can bat with plus more of the old ball factor
But we need longer innings from him more regularly, #5 has to be his place now
 
Reminder this guy was dropped until wc bangaldesh game because Rizwan wanted no 4.

^^ I will never let this fact rest
 
Remember Joe Root and Jamie Smith dropped Salman Agha TWICE - when on 4 and 6.

Fine inning none the less.
 
zaidihusain said:
This should be reminded to everyone all the time. Someone like Iftikhar was holding the spot without any performance and this guy didn't got a chance till Bangladesh game in WC.
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Misbah fans shpuld get boot kicked to their face

Sajid kham was stated by chacha to not be good enough for a 2nd tier league, yet if pakistan wins this, both his batting and bowling would be the main mom reason pak won.

Agha was dropped for literally no reason because rizwam wanted no 4.

KG was kept put because Babar said so and even after his 118, Shameless fans like major threw a jealous hissyfit still calling Babar and rizwan pur main batters just because Misbah claimed it.
 
His name has been considered as a potential captain according to some social media rumors. I wouldn't mind seeing him as the T20 or ODI captain in the next series.
 
mominsaigol said:
Misbah fans shpuld get boot kicked to their face

Sajid kham was stated by chacha to not be good enough for a 2nd tier league, yet if pakistan wins this, both his batting and bowling would be the main mom reason pak won.

Agha was dropped for literally no reason because rizwam wanted no 4.

KG was kept put because Babar said so and even after his 118, Shameless fans like major threw a jealous hissyfit still calling Babar and rizwan pur main batters just because Misbah claimed it.
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@Major is a big culprit of spreading the Misbah nonsense here
 
Rana said:
@Major is a big culprit of spreading the Misbah nonsense here
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I'm fully aware. I called him put for his KG comments.

He always does this, He convientally responds or trolls when he thinks he has the upper hand in an argument but vanishes or runs away and stops responding when he realises that he stands no chance against the person he's up ahainst.

The funniest conversation he had with you was during India vs Pakistan wc 2023 thread. He let that rizzu 131 get to him. I still remember the comments.

Major: @Rana SHER AA RAHA HAI, ABH 50 TO HONEI DO NA.

Rana: Ho gai 50?
 
All you fans fight amongst yourselves. Misbah this misbah that. Babar this Babar that. Just back your players and enjoy how they perform. Celebrate when selection goes well. In saud, agha and Jamal there is a solid lower middle order we’ve not had that for years. Just enjoy that new guys like Ghulam look a million dollars and despite being flawed players Shan and Abdullah made centuries.

The selectors pulled a master stroke by going for all spin and a used pitch. Agha has cashed in when needed. That’s Test cricket.
 
Bazid Khan on the pitch side show post Day 3 of 2nd Test between Pakistan and England:

"Salman Ali Agha's career is marked by resilience in adversity."

"His ability to partner with the tail, navigate spin, and deliver under pressure suggests Pakistan has discovered a gem capable of rising to challenging occasions."
 
What an innings he played today on a difficult track. Put Pakistan from a troubling position to a winning one.
 
He will now be included in all 3 formats for Pakistan, I wanted him in the world cup ahead of Iftikhar last World Cup. I suppose better late than never.
 
Rana said:
@mominsaigol check Agha’s interview with Ward and Nasser. He said he did complain to the management of batting too late but has now just accepted it.
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Yeah I saw that. But are you even surprised? Their double standards for everything.

Plus, rumors are their finding a way to bring bobsy back anyway. This is just a temporary drop to get media hate off
 
Another important knock from Agha. He continues to impress. After toiling away in domestic cricket, he is/has been reaping the rewards.
 
Rana said:
Bobsy can easily replace Shan or Abdullah tbf.
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Bro the point is their are hard working players who are willing to play red ball and grind for pakistan.

For example Shabzada Farhan has been grinding and grinding in red ball for years. Everyone who has watched him knows that he is far far better at red ball and whiteball isn't his fortei. He was top scorer of quid e azam trophy last season. So where is he?

Heck Sharjeel Khan in president cup (List A) is averaging 50 with sr 133 recently? Where is he? Why isn't he in the whiteball team? Or is he finished according to some experts who believe the star of the show is rizwan, Babar, Chacha and Shaheen?

Or is it that the criteria is only applicable to PSL whose top performers have not only always been rubbish in international but they've also been selected to play test and odi based of a t20 tournament? Logic dekho PCB ka.

KG, Sajid Khan, Agha, they've all grinded in red ball and list A for years, not randomly picked after 7 List A like Abdullah because Babar became his friend.
 
mominsaigol said:
Bro the point is their are hard working players who are willing to play red ball and grind for pakistan.

For example Shabzada Farhan has been grinding and grinding in red ball for years. Everyone who has watched him knows that he is far far better at red ball and whiteball isn't his fortei. He was top scorer of quid e azam trophy last season. So where is he?

Heck Sharjeel Khan in president cup (List A) is averaging 50 with sr 133 recently? Where is he? Why isn't he in the whiteball team? Or is he finished according to some experts who believe the star of the show is rizwan, Babar, Chacha and Shaheen?

Or is it that the criteria is only applicable to PSL whose top performers have not only always been rubbish in international but they've also been selected to play test and odi based of a t20 tournament? Logic dekho PCB ka.

KG, Sajid Khan, Agha, they've all grinded in red ball and list A for years, not randomly picked after 7 List A like Abdullah because Babar became his friend.
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Spot on post
 
RidiculousMan said:
It would be bad if Shan is dropped for South Africa tour. He is one batter who is good on those pitches against short stuff
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He isn't anything. Literally is nothing.

Not only does he have zero fitness, Dude couldn't bat after his rapid fore 150 when every English batter could bat hours including KG and Agha in the first and In KG's case 2nd test could.

Being thin doesn't mean fit, it's a separate matter.

And this Shan plays positively is a myth, he plays fast cause he knows his limitations and hence tries to pull a Shan ball but 90% of the time fails. He has a horrible defence and a solid defence + fitness is a key requirement for test cricket so he's trying to cover up those said flaws by dead batting to the ground and taking quick singles followed by aggressive strokes on loose balls.

His 150 came on the deadest of pitches and he fortunately had the luxury of joke batters in Abdullah, Babar, Rizwan to follow. If you had put Agha at 3, he'd have gotten a 200 lol. Saim threw his wicket away as usual and saud has been rubbish as of late.

Now that theirs actual turn, he's been exposed on this test wicket.

Dude cannot play pace, Rabada will cremate him. His short pitch attacks are excellent against medium bowlers. Anything 140 and above and he's toast.

Shan is rubbish and it won't be a mistake to replace him.

Yes it'll be a mistake to replace him with Babar Azam. That I'll agree on.
 
mominsaigol said:
He isn't anything. Literally is nothing.

Not only does he have zero fitness, Dude couldn't bat after his rapid fore 150 when every English batter could bat hours including KG and Agha in the first and In KG's case 2nd test could.

Being thin doesn't mean fit, it's a separate matter.

And this Shan plays positively is a myth, he plays fast cause he knows his limitations and hence tries to pull a Shan ball but 90% of the time fails. He has a horrible defence and a solid defence + fitness is a key requirement for test cricket so he's trying to cover up those said flaws by dead batting to the ground and taking quick singles followed by aggressive strokes on loose balls.

His 150 came on the deadest of pitches and he fortunately had the luxury of joke batters in Abdullah, Babar, Rizwan to follow. If you had put Agha at 3, he'd have gotten a 200 lol. Saim threw his wicket away as usual and saud has been rubbish as of late.

Now that theirs actual turn, he's been exposed on this test wicket.

Dude cannot play pace, Rabada will cremate him. His short pitch attacks are excellent against medium bowlers. Anything 140 and above and he's toast.

Shan is rubbish and it won't be a mistake to replace him.

Yes it'll be a mistake to replace him with Babar Azam. That I'll agree on.
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He was Pakistan's highest run scorer in Australia in WT20 where everyone apart from him couldn't cope with bounce
 
RidiculousMan said:
He was Pakistan's highest run scorer in Australia in WT20 where everyone apart from him couldn't cope with bounce
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Doesn't really matter anymore. I can tell rubbish from rubbish and determine my assessment based of form.

You guys didn't listen to me when I talked about rizzu's one day performance and that it will 100% affect his current test form.

So why would you listen to me about Shan?
 
mominsaigol said:
Bro the point is their are hard working players who are willing to play red ball and grind for pakistan.

For example Shabzada Farhan has been grinding and grinding in red ball for years. Everyone who has watched him knows that he is far far better at red ball and whiteball isn't his fortei. He was top scorer of quid e azam trophy last season. So where is he?

Heck Sharjeel Khan in president cup (List A) is averaging 50 with sr 133 recently? Where is he? Why isn't he in the whiteball team? Or is he finished according to some experts who believe the star of the show is rizwan, Babar, Chacha and Shaheen?

Or is it that the criteria is only applicable to PSL whose top performers have not only always been rubbish in international but they've also been selected to play test and odi based of a t20 tournament? Logic dekho PCB ka.

KG, Sajid Khan, Agha, they've all grinded in red ball and list A for years, not randomly picked after 7 List A like Abdullah because Babar became his friend.
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Can sharjeel pass the fitness test ?
 
Is he playing as a batsman? He’s not contributing with the ball and even on a purpose made spinning track, he can’t take wickets or even bowl.

Another fake all rounder.
 
Throw Rizwan out of the side of he tries to block Agha from playing at 6.

Team above everyone
 
Kianig89 said:
Excellent knock today though against pacers he has alot of work to do
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Yeah this is my issue. Jadeja sort of player Agha can be; his issues against pacers were the same as they were 2 years ago last England tour and against SL with the little pace he did face there. Jadeja similarly struggles but can survive for a bit against the moving ball a no. 4 and 5 will face.

This approach for Agha to be promoted however to me is like playing Shadab at 5 in T20s or Jadeja at 6 in Tests especially out of lack of other mentally thriving players i.e. Saud.

Didn't expect Agha therefore to have the ability to bat with the tail freely against pace here and there as a result, which he can do. He was OK in Australia too.

I still think if it ain't broke, don't fix it - don't bring him at 5 or 6 (as nice as it may be to shaft Rizwan at 7). He is no Kamindu technically to bat 5. If he bats like a champion at 7 and can excuse his pace deficiencies by having freedom of expression, then there are more positive externalities that come from the tail he bats with too. That's essential for us to develop a 7, 8 and 9 which is still not settled especially when "star players" are back. And only once these domestic toilers are rewarded, and have players like Agha to play around then our team will actually have enough of an identity to start building watchable home cricket and a test fortress.

Can worry about 1st world problems like aging spinners, Saud mental midgetness, etc. after all that...
 
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