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[PICTURES/VIDEOS] Mohammad Amir - a failed career?

2009 we won and he was a huge part of that. Was pre fixing though so no problems with that. Ct 2017, Amir didn’t bowl that well in the tournament over all. Hasan was outstanding and Junaid was great as well. Amir turned up in the final, but so did the other two. We won by such a big margin, with or without Amir we would have likely won the title. People definitely overrate the part Amir played in ct 2017. He bowled brilliantly in final, but there were numerous other players who performed better overall.

On the whole I don’t think Amir’s return benefited Pakistan. I think he’s actually a good bowler even after ban. I don’t think he owed Pak anything when we decided to pick him after ban and was unfairly treated as a result of this thinking. But we missed the opportunity to take a hard line stance on fixing and root it out. We have had other fixers since, and every fixer claims that they hope to get the same welcome back in to the side as Amir. Amir has shown it is possible to fix and come back to the national side. I don’t blame Amir at all for returning after the ban. It’s the fault of PCB for selecting him, and perhaps fan base for supporting that decision. Other countries wouldn’t have done so.

And I think it will get worse how we rememeber Amir. 20 years now when ultimately we will have racked up more fixers likely because Pakistan is the most lenient country to fixers, people will look at our bringing back of Amir and point to it as a mistake. People won’t care so much about the ct win decades ago, when the new talented guy we had our hopes on gets banned for fixing.

The trio getting caught was actually a blessing for Pakistan. We just chose to waste the opportunity of ridding fixing from our cricket. We’ve had more fixing cases after the trio than before. Some deterrent. If I was a corrupt bookmaker I would go to Pakistan specifically over the others at it will be easier to convince their cricketers that even if they caught, they can come back, so less risk. Not going to say New Zealand where Vincent wasn’t even allowed to set foot in a cricket stadium again even as a spectator.
 
Not a good day for Mohammad Amir at Global GT20 league, he bowled 3.1 overs conceded 24 runs and went wicketless as his team Vancouver Knights lost the match against Brampton Wolves by 6 wickets.
 
Mohammad Amir is enjoying bowling in the Canadian Global T20 League. He delivered an excellent spell, taking 3/18 in 4 overs against Montreal Tigers to restrict them to 109/10.
 
Vancouver Knights' Mohammad Amir finished the GT20 2024 as the 8th highest wicket-taker, taking 9 wickets in 7 matches at an economy rate of 5.10, how do you rate his performance?
 
This guy had to defend 16 runs in the last over to win a game for his team in CPL but he ended up getting hit for 6 off the last ball to lose it. Gave us that USA game vibes.

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Mohamad Amir is getting smashed in every other match in CPL... again today he conceded 44 runs in just 3.3 overs without taking any wicket against Barbados.
 
But but but he is mentally strong and keeps his cool under pressure.
 
Cricket Warrior said:
Mohamad Amir is getting smashed in every other match in CPL... again today he conceded 44 runs in just 3.3 overs without taking any wicket against Barbados.
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Amir is done now, but the question remains, who else could we have taken in 2024 wc?

Ali would have gotten spanked left and right with the 120 pies he bowls and he + Usama mir were our top wicket takers.

It shows how bad the situation is. Maybe mir Hamza or Khurram shehzad but the question remains the same.

Pakistani bowlers besides rauf just don't have any pace. It's probably why rauf despite his line and length being all over the place, he gets the most wickets especially in t20. With that speed, a batter will eventually knick it, we'll get caught outside the inner ring.

In this test series that was the main issue. Bangladesh's slowest bowlers can bowl at 139 to 143 kph while their fastest rana can easily go from 145 to 152kph.

Our bowlers reached 141 maybe a few times early on but as soon as they were tasked to bowl more then 3 to 4 overs, the pace collapsed back to 120.
 
mominsaigol said:
Amir is done now, but the question remains, who else could we have taken in 2024 wc?

Ali would have gotten spanked left and right with the 120 pies he bowls and he + Usama mir were our top wicket takers.

It shows how bad the situation is. Maybe mir Hamza or Khurram shehzad but the question remains the same.

Pakistani bowlers besides rauf just don't have any pace. It's probably why rauf despite his line and length being all over the place, he gets the most wickets especially in t20. With that speed, a batter will eventually knick it, we'll get caught outside the inner ring.

In this test series that was the main issue. Bangladesh's slowest bowlers can bowl at 139 to 143 kph while their fastest rana can easily go from 145 to 152kph.

Our bowlers reached 141 maybe a few times early on but as soon as they were tasked to bowl more then 3 to 4 overs, the pace collapsed back to 120.
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Oh man, this really goes to show how badly pcb fudged with Ihsanullah.

He could have actually made a difference if given a long run.
 
Fast bowler Mohammad Amir has made a significant mark in T20 cricket history by setting a new record for the most maiden overs delivered.

Mohammad Amir has surpassed Bhuvneshwar Kumar’s record of 24 maiden overs and now holds the third position globally with 25 maiden overs.

The record for the most maiden overs is currently held by Sunil Narine with 30, while Bangladesh’s Shakib Al Hasan is in second place with 26 maiden overs.
 
In terms of potential he was the most talented I’ve seen from a Pakistani player. More than Babar, Umar akmal, Shaheen, Yousuf. I imagine you’d have to go back to Wasim akram which I didn’t see. Don’t see any pacer that we had recently with the brains, skill, control. Which is why he has such a low economy rate, it’s not like he can rely on things like huge pace or extraordinarily tall to get good bounce.

There was something truly special there. Just wasted it with one stupid mistake. Still should be happy that he had a good career overall. Just couldn’t keep his body as fit on return which is understandable given the long break. And the quality of his team mates at times didn’t help, you’d often see them playing out Amir and going after the others which often led to Amir sometimes underperforming in the wickets department.

Will go down as a substantially worse bowler than Shaheen. And people like Gul had a better career in my opinion. Is a shame for the talent involved, but then again he’s one of the few sportsman ever to have a long career after being banned for fixing, so looking at it that way he’s done very well.
 
Mohammad Amir, Pakistan's seasoned left-arm fast bowler, has achieved another milestone in his distinguished career, becoming the third Pakistani pacer to surpass 350 T20 wickets.

Amir attained this feat during a Caribbean Premier League 2024 match, where he claimed two vital wickets for Antigua and Barbuda against Guyana.

This accomplishment cements Amir's position alongside Wahab Riaz and Sohail Tanvir as Pakistan's most successful T20 fast bowlers, all of whom have crossed the 350-wicket threshold
 
Mohammad Amir is all set to play the T10 format - he will represent Jaffna Titans in the Lanka T10 Super League 2024
 
Mamoon said:
But but but he is mentally strong and keeps his cool under pressure.
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Only when there is more (scoreboard) pressure on the opposition thanks to the Zamans of this world.
 
When are sour Indians going to recover from his spells against them, every time they give him a cricket bat to spank them with.

Shaheen at the moment is inferior to Amir with the new ball and is bowling a lot slower then him as well with little movement, he got out bowled by him as well when they played together.
 
shaz619 said:
When are sour Indians going to recover from his spells against them, every time they give him a cricket bat to spank them with.

Shaheen at the moment is inferior to Amir with the new ball and is bowling a lot slower then him as well with little movement, he got out bowled by him as well when they played together.
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Shaheen has averaged less than 25 in odis and even thou he isn't half of what he is now is still taking wickets.
 
shamaan said:
Shaheen has averaged less than 25 in odis and even thou he isn't half of what he is now is still taking wickets.
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Yes, credit to him there, but he isn’t the elite bowler he use to be.
 
Will always be remembered for the Super Over. He took his retirement back and returned only to bowl the worst Super Over in history. This is exactly what a disgraceful person like him deserves.
 
Mamoon said:
Will always be remembered for the Super Over. He took his retirement back and returned only to bowl the worst Super Over in history. This is exactly what a disgraceful person like him deserves.
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Good and bad phases of his career.
 
Only in subcontinent a player who Pakistan two ICC trophies would be consistent a failure. Hilarious stuff from some deluded posters here as well
 
shamaan said:
If he continues to take wickets will you still not call him elite.Whats the criteria.
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A strike option for one who is capable of running through the top order, he is doing well to hold his line but do you seriously see little difference to his bowling now than a few years ago? He is averaging something like 130 in terms of his speed, he doesn’t get extravagant swing like he use to with the new ball and bowls within himself. He needs to rehabilitate for at least a year and rediscover the pace which made his bowling a lot more potent. For somebody ‘injured’ yeah he is bowling alright but that’s not good for Pakistan in the long run.
 
shaz619 said:
A strike option for one who is capable of running through the top order, he is doing well to hold his line but do you seriously see little difference to his bowling now than a few years ago? He is averaging something like 130 in terms of his speed, he doesn’t get extravagant swing like he use to with the new ball and bowls within himself. He needs to rehabilitate for at least a year and rediscover the pace which made his bowling a lot more potent. For somebody ‘injured’ yeah he is bowling alright but that’s not good for Pakistan in the long run.
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Thier is difference between Shaheen now and few years ago however I dont care about his speeds aslong as he consistently take wickets.
 
shamaan said:
Thier is difference between Shaheen now and few years ago however I dont care about his speeds aslong as he consistently take wickets.
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Yeah that’s fine, he took a wicket or two and had decent economy in the match against Afghanistan in the 2023 WC. Win or lose, as long as he is taking wickets am not concerned about impact or any other nonsense with regards to progression. I love you Shaheen!
 
shaz619 said:
Yeah that’s fine, he took a wicket or two and had decent economy in the match against Afghanistan in the 2023 WC. Win or lose, as long as he is taking wickets am not concerned about impact or any other nonsense with regards to progression. I love you Shaheen!
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Winning consistently requires a team effort.
 
Mohammad Amir Shines in New York Strikers' Victory

In the 9th match of the Abu Dhabi T10 League, Mohammad Amir delivered an exceptional performance to help the New York Strikers secure a 7-wicket victory over the Bangla Tigers. Amir was the standout bowler, claiming 2 wickets for just 9 runs in his 2 overs, showcasing his class and experience in the shortest format.
 
Amir is a gun bowler , just that USA super over he went completely off radar and ended his international career
 
I wouldn't say he failed. He won 2 ICC trophies (World T20 and CT). He contributed in both wins.

He could've achieved more but I wouldn't call his career a total failure.
 
Why don't he try and play in t20s for Pakistan? is he not interested anymore?

Failed career??? i gues not but yes, a corrupt career.
 
Amir won you 2 cups. It isn't a failed career by any means. His performances in 2009 and 2017 alone are enough to justify him as superior to Shaheen who according to some is the 3rd greatest pakistani pacer of all time. Haha.
 
Gifted new ball bowler. An absolute assassin at times. But, it’s fair to say he’s a lot more playable bowler once the opening spell is done away with. I have rarely see him bowling inspiring spells later on in the innings. His test career is almost non existent and in while ball cricket he is not the same when he comes back for the 2nd or 3rd spell. This is where Bumrah, Wasim, Waqar are a different league of bowlers.
 
Enjoying a good mercenary career, some posters will never forgive him for USA debacle
 
Rana said:
Easily the best white ball pacer in Pakistan still
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Agreed! That goes to show both his greatness and the lack of proper pacers development in Pakistan because Shaheen and Naseem should be a lot better right now than they are. But the fact that Amir is bowling faster or similar speeds at his age and fitness to those two and can bowl smarter as well is incredible. Truly a god-gifted talent who didn't give up after being banned for 5 whole years. Not many would have returned with the same ability and drive to bowl as much as he did
 
Mohammad Amir, who is representing Jaffna Titans in Lanka T10 2024, secured bowling figures of 1/23 in 2 overs against Hambantota Bangla Tigers.
 
hafizexpress said:
Agreed! That goes to show both his greatness and the lack of proper pacers development in Pakistan because Shaheen and Naseem should be a lot better right now than they are. But the fact that Amir is bowling faster or similar speeds at his age and fitness to those two and can bowl smarter as well is incredible. Truly a god-gifted talent who didn't give up after being banned for 5 whole years. Not many would have returned with the same ability and drive to bowl as much as he did
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If there was any doubt, he out bowled those guys bowling alongside them in the WT20.

If they did not have the luxury of using the SO to fraudulently restore the Shaheen/Naseem ‘brand’, they would be under pressure to keep Amir in the loop.
 
shaz619 said:
If there was any doubt, he out bowled those guys bowling alongside them in the WT20.

If they did not have the luxury of using the SO to fraudulently restore the Shaheen/Naseem ‘brand’, they would be under pressure to keep Amir in the loop.
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It's truly incredible how he was suddenly selected for the Wt20 and outbowled the three premier pacers for the last 3-4 years.

For players like this, you have to put all ego aside and force him into the mix. Pakistan as a nation has a habit of not utilizing the value that certain talents bring in all aspects and fields. Amir should be playing the ODI series leading up to the CT and then play the CT and then go off and do his own thing again. He should be our tournament man for LO
 
hafizexpress said:
It's truly incredible how he was suddenly selected for the Wt20 and outbowled the three premier pacers for the last 3-4 years.

For players like this, you have to put all ego aside and force him into the mix. Pakistan as a nation has a habit of not utilizing the value that certain talents bring in all aspects and fields. Amir should be playing the ODI series leading up to the CT and then play the CT and then go off and do his own thing again. He should be our tournament man for LO
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Mohammad Amir is currently Pakistan's best ODI bowler, closely followed by Shaheen Afridi as the second best. Amir consistently delivers tight lines and lengths at a decent pace and has a remarkable ability to set up batters. While his T20 performances have been good too, his skills and tactical approach make him a far superior bowler in the ODI format.
 
Rana said:
Easily the best white ball pacer in Pakistan still
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Yup! Mohammad Amir is arguably a better ODI bowler than a T20 bowler, and he stands out as one of the best ODI bowlers in the world right now. His precise lengths, control, and ability to maintain composure make him a dependable option in high-stakes matches. Amir's experience and mastery of defensive bowling give him an edge, especially against strong opposition.
 
Farabi said:
Mohammad Amir is currently Pakistan's best ODI bowler, closely followed by Shaheen Afridi as the second best. Amir consistently delivers tight lines and lengths at a decent pace and has a remarkable ability to set up batters. While his T20 performances have been good too, his skills and tactical approach make him a far superior bowler in the ODI format.
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Typically, I'd be hesitant to call him Pakistan's best due to his last ODI being in 2019 so more than 5 years since. But because Pakistan is deficient of a top class ODI pacer barring Shaheen, I'm confident he'd still be from the best if he ups his fitness and gains the energy to bowl multiple spells in a game again. Just like we saw him come and outclass the other bowlers in the t20 setup, he would do the same if given the chances in ODI except I still think Shaheen would be better but both would make for a formidable new ball duo.

For all of the drama surrounding Amir, his intelligence, experience, and skills have been wasted by PCB. I still think he should be brought back for every ICC tournament but unfortunately, we've seen the last of Amir in green colours
 
hafizexpress said:
Typically, I'd be hesitant to call him Pakistan's best due to his last ODI being in 2019 so more than 5 years since. But because Pakistan is deficient of a top class ODI pacer barring Shaheen, I'm confident he'd still be from the best if he ups his fitness and gains the energy to bowl multiple spells in a game again. Just like we saw him come and outclass the other bowlers in the t20 setup, he would do the same if given the chances in ODI except I still think Shaheen would be better but both would make for a formidable new ball duo.

For all of the drama surrounding Amir, his intelligence, experience, and skills have been wasted by PCB. I still think he should be brought back for every ICC tournament but unfortunately, we've seen the last of Amir in green colours
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Yup, it feels like a hole in my chest, not gonna lie. Mohammad Amir… honestly, he has to be one of the biggest wastes by the PCB this century.

Sure, Amir made his fair share of poor choices, but imagine how much stronger our white-ball fast bowling could’ve been from 2019 to 2025 if both Amir and Junaid had stayed in the mix. They could’ve trained the new crop, passed on their skills, and added so much value.

But no, we get too hyped about the next shiny new toy and fail to appreciate the value of experience and skill. It’s a pattern we just can’t seem to break.
 
Pakistan have only won 3 ICC trophies in their entire history and in two of those, Amir played a very important role in the final. So it is extremely harsh to say that Amir failed. Yes, he would have achieved more if it weren't for the spot fixing scandal, but he absolutely didn't have a failed career. Underwhelming career, perhaps, but definitely not a failure.
 
Amir wisely realized he was not going to last or have a long career playing all formats for Pakistan hence decided very early on he would be focusing on the shorter formats.

The rest between formats and focusing on T10-T20 leagues, his pace went up by 10-12 km/hr.

In reality he was always older than his official age by 3-4 years.

If someone asks him what did you do in your career, he can proudly mention the 2009 T20 WC final and the 2017 CT where he played a vital role in two of the major iconic wins in Pakistan's history. Not many Pakistani players can talk about this.
 
The_KING said:
Pakistan have only won 3 ICC trophies in their entire history and in two of those, Amir played a very important role in the final. So it is extremely harsh to say that Amir failed. Yes, he would have achieved more if it weren't for the spot fixing scandal, but he absolutely didn't have a failed career. Underwhelming career, perhaps, but definitely not a failure.
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At the bare minimum he’s a Pakistani great, there is no doubt about it in my opinion. He was born to bowl those great spells when it mattered most with everything on the line. Having said that, yes, he should have achieved more and that is partly due to the individual and partly due to the regime.
 
Why doesn't get selected for Pakistan OD formats? Because he doesn't feature in Pakistan's domestic games?

If that is the case then the likes of Shaheen, Naseem shouldn't either as they hardly feature in FC games.
 
Savak said:
Amir wisely realized he was not going to last or have a long career playing all formats for Pakistan hence decided very early on he would be focusing on the shorter formats.

The rest between formats and focusing on T10-T20 leagues, his pace went up by 10-12 km/hr.

In reality he was always older than his official age by 3-4 years.

If someone asks him what did you do in your career, he can proudly mention the 2009 T20 WC final and the 2017 CT where he played a vital role in two of the major iconic wins in Pakistan's history. Not many Pakistani players can talk about this.
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This is partly true, but with Mickey Arthur & his hybrid workload model, he’d have featured a lot more for Pakistan whilst also pursuing his foreign interests. Misbah/Waqar crippled Amir’s career, and if the pair were still directy active in todays set up, Shaheen would be permanently on the shelf.
 
Savak said:
If someone asks him what did you do in your career, he can proudly mention the 2009 T20 WC final and the 2017 CT where he played a vital role in two of the major iconic wins in Pakistan's history. Not many Pakistani players can talk about this
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Major said:
Bro, both finals, our batting won us.

Hasan Ali and Junaid khan played a bigger role in champions trophy. Amirs role is over rated by the fans.....

had it not been for Fakhar Zaman, we would had not won.
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Not sure who to believe @topspin
 
shaz619 said:
This is partly true, but with Mickey Arthur & his hybrid workload model, he’d have featured a lot more for Pakistan whilst also pursuing his foreign interests. Misbah/Waqar crippled Amir’s career, and if the pair were still directy active in todays set up, Shaheen would be permanently on the shelf.
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This is where PCB messed up. Also Mickey should be the last person to talk as Amir was bowled to the ground under him.

The likes of Amir, Shaheen, Naseem, Wahab and any other 88-90 mph pacer should have been played on supporting pacy, bouncy, green wickets or dry wickets which would have aided reverse swing and rested from relatively flatter wickets where we could have opted for work horse bowlers like Abbas, Shehzad, Mir Hamza who had no issues bowling at 125-130 km/hr millitary medium 10-12 over spells where in any case we would have expected our spinners to do the bulk of the bowling. Amir had suggested this approach to the team management and the PCB where in his opinion the PCB should have aimed to ensure that the top match winning pace bowlers played 40-50 test matches where they would have operated at 140-145 km/hr as oppossed to grinding them, breaking them down over 70-80 test matches but reducing them to operate at 127-132 km/hr.

In this day and age it is very difficult for all fast bowlers to play all three formats and operate at 100% in all formats. Even Bhumrah whose workload is monitored dilligently by the BCCI cannot get through a series without injury and therefore the BCCI preserves him only for the very important test series or ICC events. Similarly Cricket Australia manages the workload of Starc, Hazelwood, Cummins where they are preserved for the very important test series, ICC events but are rested for inconsequential bilateral T-20, ODI series and are only allowed to play IPL.
 
shaz619 said:
At the bare minimum he’s a Pakistani great, there is no doubt about it in my opinion. He was born to bowl those great spells when it mattered most with everything on the line. Having said that, yes, he should have achieved more and that is partly due to the individual and partly due to the regime.
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No he isnt a pakistan great.
 
Savak said:
This is where PCB messed up. Also Mickey should be the last person to talk as Amir was bowled to the ground under him.

The likes of Amir, Shaheen, Naseem, Wahab and any other 88-90 mph pacer should have been played on supporting pacy, bouncy, green wickets or dry wickets which would have aided reverse swing and rested from relatively flatter wickets where we could have opted for work horse bowlers like Abbas, Shehzad, Mir Hamza who had no issues bowling at 125-130 km/hr millitary medium 10-12 over spells where in any case we would have expected our spinners to do the bulk of the bowling. Amir had suggested this approach to the team management and the PCB where in his opinion the PCB should have aimed to ensure that the top match winning pace bowlers played 40-50 test matches where they would have operated at 140-145 km/hr as oppossed to grinding them, breaking them down over 70-80 test matches but reducing them to operate at 127-132 km/hr.

In this day and age it is very difficult for all fast bowlers to play all three formats and operate at 100% in all formats. Even Bhumrah whose workload is monitored dilligently by the BCCI cannot get through a series without injury and therefore the BCCI preserves him only for the very important test series or ICC events. Similarly Cricket Australia manages the workload of Starc, Hazelwood, Cummins where they are preserved for the very important test series, ICC events but are rested for inconsequential bilateral T-20, ODI series and are only allowed to play IPL.
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I actually 100% agree with you.

However, some posters on this forum say Abbas, Mir Hamza won’t work on flat pitches because they don’t have pace.

I actually agree with you. No one will work on flatter pitches so might as well protect your premium fast bowlers.

Workload management has improved recently but it’s still not optimized.
I don’t think Shaheen and Naseem should play anything but ICC tournaments and test cricket.
 
Mohammad Amir during interaction with local Indian media:

"The way Pakistan has played recently — defeating Australia in Australia and then beating South Africa — shows their strength, especially in overseas conditions. Considering their recent performances, I think Pakistan will have the upper hand against India. However, India has always been my favorite in big tournaments. But the Indian team is under pressure and facing severe criticism due to their recent defeats."

"It will be a huge loss to India if Bumrah isn't there. He has been a top bowler for India, leading the pack from the front. Without him, the Indian bowling attack is reduced to 40-50 percent of its strength."
 
Savak said:
This is where PCB messed up. Also Mickey should be the last person to talk as Amir was bowled to the ground under him.

The likes of Amir, Shaheen, Naseem, Wahab and any other 88-90 mph pacer should have been played on supporting pacy, bouncy, green wickets or dry wickets which would have aided reverse swing and rested from relatively flatter wickets where we could have opted for work horse bowlers like Abbas, Shehzad, Mir Hamza who had no issues bowling at 125-130 km/hr millitary medium 10-12 over spells where in any case we would have expected our spinners to do the bulk of the bowling. Amir had suggested this approach to the team management and the PCB where in his opinion the PCB should have aimed to ensure that the top match winning pace bowlers played 40-50 test matches where they would have operated at 140-145 km/hr as oppossed to grinding them, breaking them down over 70-80 test matches but reducing them to operate at 127-132 km/hr.

In this day and age it is very difficult for all fast bowlers to play all three formats and operate at 100% in all formats. Even Bhumrah whose workload is monitored dilligently by the BCCI cannot get through a series without injury and therefore the BCCI preserves him only for the very important test series or ICC events. Similarly Cricket Australia manages the workload of Starc, Hazelwood, Cummins where they are preserved for the very important test series, ICC events but are rested for inconsequential bilateral T-20, ODI series and are only allowed to play IPL.
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Misbah ul Haq had too much power as captain and as we saw later on, he usurped Mickey Arthur. When Mickey came in, Misbah was already an established figure in Pakistan cricket. Amir bowled a hell of a lot under Misbah, a lot more compared to when he played under Sarfraz. Mickey recognised the impact of his load and agreed a hybrid model with Amir which was ripped apart when the two numpties took charge Misbah/Waqar.

I agree with the rest, past Pak cricket regime’s have largely been clueless when it comes to managing player workload with the demands of modern cricket, for me the model example of how you should handle a premium fast bowler is Dale Steyn; he barely played any bilateral limited over series during his career. It’s a foreign concept, working smarter and not harder in Pakistan; I can understand why Waqar didn’t agree with this approach because he was a very gritty cricketer in his prime who ultimately paid the price for his chosen path, but Misbah is just clueless.
 
Major said:
Bro, both finals, our batting won us.

Hasan Ali and Junaid khan played a bigger role in champions trophy. Amirs role is over rated by the fans.....

had it not been for Fakhar Zaman, we would had not won.
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Hafeez’s role was crucial as well and often goes under the radar. He was the one who pushed the total from 310 to 330+ which was the final in India’s coffin.

Imad as usual played a rubbish innings and exposed his limitations as a batsman. Had he played properly, Pakistan could have scored 350.

Amir’s spell was not match-winning but it maximized India’s humiliation. A respectable loss transformed into a recording breaking thrashing.

Pakistan’s bowling was in top form and they would have won without Amir as well just like they beat England in the semifinal without Amir.
 
Amir’s career wasn’t a failed one but certainly a disgraced one. The level of disgrace has increased because he will be remembered for bowling the worst Super Over in history that too vs a team like USA, but this is the type of humiliation that an awful character like him deserves.
 
I rate the T20 world cup achievement more than CT. Even in the T20 world cup it was mainly Afridis heroics but the way a young kid stepped up and executed that plan to Dilshan in the final was amazing. However, Afridi was probably our man if the tournament and MOTM in the final.

In the CT Hassan Ali was our stand out throughout the tournament. Amir did bowl very well in the final but most of the Indian fans agree that Fakhar Zaman broke their back. In the CT Hassan was our MOTS and Fakhar MOTM in final.

So yes while Amir did contribute and his contributions were at times important it is a bit of an exaggeration to say he won two cups for Pakistan as it's all down to him.
 
An honest question for all posters here.

Do you feel Amir has contributed more to Pakistan cricket than Umar Gul?

Gul doesn't get much fanfare but has achieved for Pakistan across all formats. His T20 spells and ODI spells are notable ( particularly T20) and his tests stats although not great do contain a wonderful performance against India that we all remember.

Contrast with Amir who has good spells but was never the outstanding player in the tournaments we played ( we even got to the CT final without him in the semi) and his test achievements came in conditions where a ball not swinging was more of a surprise than the ball swinging.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
An honest question for all posters here.

Do you feel Amir has contributed more to Pakistan cricket than Umar Gul?

Gul doesn't get much fanfare but has achieved for Pakistan across all formats. His T20 spells and ODI spells are notable ( particularly T20) and his tests stats although not great do contain a wonderful performance against India that we all remember.

Contrast with Amir who has good spells but was never the outstanding player in the tournaments we played ( we even got to the CT final without him in the semi) and his test achievements came in conditions where a ball not swinging was more of a surprise than the ball swinging.
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From another perspective, Gul for no fault of his own probably felt terrible walking around on and off the field in the early 2010s after what Amir/Asif did. Everybody was second guessing everybody at that stage, none more so than the audience.
 
Mamoon said:
Hafeez’s role was crucial as well and often goes under the radar. He was the one who pushed the total from 310 to 330+ which was the final in India’s coffin.

Imad as usual played a rubbish innings and exposed his limitations as a batsman. Had he played properly, Pakistan could have scored 350.

Amir’s spell was not match-winning but it maximized India’s humiliation. A respectable loss transformed into a recording breaking thrashing.

Pakistan’s bowling was in top form and they would have won without Amir as well just like they beat England in the semifinal without Amir.
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no but these guys want to believe Amir won them lol.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
An honest question for all posters here.

Do you feel Amir has contributed more to Pakistan cricket than Umar Gul?

Gul doesn't get much fanfare but has achieved for Pakistan across all formats. His T20 spells and ODI spells are notable ( particularly T20) and his tests stats although not great do contain a wonderful performance against India that we all remember.

Contrast with Amir who has good spells but was never the outstanding player in the tournaments we played ( we even got to the CT final without him in the semi) and his test achievements came in conditions where a ball not swinging was more of a surprise than the ball swinging.
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Gul alone won us the WOrld T20 2009.

AMir sold his country for a few pounds
 
Major said:
Gul alone won us the WOrld T20 2009.

AMir sold his country for a few pounds
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I can understand your pain.

Amir helped win 2 ICC tournaments for Pakistan, and Misbah directly effected the loss of 2 tournaments as well. Takleef tou hogi aapko. It’s understandable.
 
Rana said:
I can understand your pain.

Amir helped win 2 ICC tournaments for Pakistan, and Misbah directly effected the loss of 2 tournaments as well. Takleef tou hogi aapko. It’s understandable.
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You know, even Imran Farhat has more respect than Amir.

Cause atleast Imran Farhat did not sell out the country for a few pounds like Amir did.
The guy was jailed for corruption in UK. What an insult to a mans career
 
Rana said:
What?

Where?

In Sui Gas head office?
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HAHHAHA funny how you had to remove the jail part. Oh man it probably hurts that your favourite bowler was caught for corruption and thrown in a jail cell.
 
Major said:
HAHHAHA funny how you had to remove the jail part. Oh man it probably hurts that your favourite bowler was caught for corruption and thrown in a jail cell.
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Grow up. In what world is Imran Farhat more respected than Mohammad Amir? I know it doesn’t cost much to say Bongis, but still this is peak
 
Rana said:
Grow up. In what world is Imran Farhat more respected than Mohammad Amir? I know it doesn’t cost much to say Bongis, but still this is peak
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Its ironic that Rana is telling me to grow up.

Farhat never sold the country for a few pounds. Farhat never was placed in a jail cell for corruption.

This award was given to Amir. A Pakistani cricketer who got locked up in a jail cell. Thus, being a criminal. Farhat was never a criminal atleast.
 
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