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Kianig89 said:
Pakistan won and all is that matters for me , as for Shan Fans keep living in the world of industrial fans
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Oh bhai everyone is aware of your stats that you keep producing the moment Shan fails or is on the brink of failure.

It’s a humiliating feeling now isn’t it when the agenda has fallen face flat?
 
Hopefully this next test will be last time we see this English speaker as test team captain
 
Who played major role in this 1st test against Westindies.

A) Saud/ Riswan 150 partnership
B) Sajid/ Noman bowling
C) Industrial fan
D) Shan massod captaincy .

But where was shan captaincy played any role in this test?

:kp
 
Devadwal said:
Who played major role in this 1st test against Westindies.

A) Saud/ Riswan 150 partnership
B) Sajid/ Noman bowling
C) Industrial fan
D) Shan massod captaincy .

But where was shan captaincy played any role in this test?

:kp
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Nothing he has been a mediocre batsman

Hopefully removed after this next test
 
Devadwal said:
Who played major role in this 1st test against Westindies.

A) Saud/ Riswan 150 partnership
B) Sajid/ Noman bowling
C) Industrial fan
D) Shan massod captaincy
E) Shan English Proficiency
But where was shan captaincy played any role in this test?

:kp
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This is very poor behavior from a certain section of fans. I have watched you guys accuse other posters of personal attacks on Rizwan and being negatively obsessed with Rizwan. At times I have agreed with you.

Yet here you are when the shoe is on the other foot exhibiting the same behavior as those you were so fiercely critical of.

Pakistan win a match - the series is still live. The captain performed. He did well in the last match too.

Yet the first thing you guys can think of after the win is removing the captain to install one of your favourite players. What kind of hypocrisy is this?

And to do this you mock the captain for his runs and display even more ignorance by not mocking him for his lack of education but mocking him FOR his education? What the hell is that about?


If you continue this behaviour, you guys have no grounds for criticising others for being unnecessarily critical of Rizwan. Literally zero.
 
Devadwal said:
Who played major role in this 1st test against Westindies.

A) Saud/ Riswan 150 partnership
B) Sajid/ Noman bowling
C) Industrial fan
D) Shan massod captaincy .

But where was shan captaincy played any role in this test?

:kp
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Shan scored a 50 on a track where losing 7-8 wickets for 50 runs wouldn’t be a problem if the spinners get on a role. So his second innings runs were valuable in this win. Why is that an issue?

Is it his fault that his bowlers bowled stump to stump and brining in dismissals mainly as bowled or lbw? What do you want him to do? Put some random fielder in an odd position and work to a plan to get the ball to go to that position for a catch, and then you will finally be able to say “yes look he’s a smart captain”.

Mate just give it up!
 
Nobody is mocking Shan the nepokid, in fact those going gaaga over him are supporting the corruption culture and lack of merit in the system
 
Shan is the first Pakistani skipper to defeat the West Indies in Multan.

Javed Miandad and Inzimam could only achieve draws against the WIndies during their matches in Multan as captain.
 
Rana said:
Shan scored a 50 on a track where losing 7-8 wickets for 50 runs wouldn’t be a problem if the spinners get on a role. So his second innings runs were valuable in this win. Why is that an issue?

Is it his fault that his bowlers bowled stump to stump and brining in dismissals mainly as bowled or lbw? What do you want him to do? Put some random fielder in an odd position and work to a plan to get the ball to go to that position for a catch, and then you will finally be able to say “yes look he’s a smart captain”.

Mate just give it up!
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Pakistan was already won the test when they take 93 runs leads in first innings.

Shan innings had no use for pakistan when Riz - Saud partnership already killed the game for Westindies.

What was shan contribution as an captain in this match?

:kp
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Shan is the first Pakistani skipper to defeat the West Indies in Multan.

Javed Miandad and Inzimam could only achieve draws against the WIndies during their matches in Multan as captain.
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Wi of 80s and even 2000s is of no comparison with this WI
 
Kianig89 said:
Nobody is mocking Shan the nepokid, in fact those going gaaga over him are supporting the corruption culture and lack of merit in the system
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Advocating for the removal of a captain who has scored runs as captain and after the team has just won a match IS very poor brother. There is literally no reason to do so apart from agenda based lobbying.

I have seen this culture kill our cricket, where the goal of becoming captain eats up our team dynamic and fan dynamic, I would request you to please reconsider your stance here. It is unnecessary and unhelpful for our cricket.
 
BouncerGuy said:
Why would I be in pain... Pakistan won thanks to Sajid and NOman... Shan's role was to speak good english in presser and he did a good joB there...
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Chalo it's something.

Their paper candidate Rizwan would have said Nomi and Sajid too and would have muttered some rubbish in Urdu while refusing to look at women.

Seems like we would gain nothing by picking him over Shan. Might as well keep what we have then.
 
BouncerGuy said:
Why would I be in pain... Pakistan won thanks to Sajid and NOman... Shan's role was to speak good english in presser and he did a good joB there...
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Come on bouncer bhai we all know if this was under the captaincy of rizwan sajid and noman wouldn't get a single praise the line would be

"Rizwan using his bowlers effectively and getting the most out of his bowlers"

Not that I'm saying it's shans captaincy that played a part
 
You know you are a joke of a batsman when your fans are singing songs in your praise and writing poems about your form when you are averaging a mighty 36.
 
Kianig89 said:
Pakistan won and all is that matters for me , as for Shan Fans keep living in the world of industrial fans
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Nah you’re obviously fuming. This is a moment where Shan deserves praise because he was able to score tough runs in a low scoring test match.

After playing an instrumental knock, all your posts are about “Shan should be dropped and shouldn’t be in the team”. There’s a time and place for that if that’s what you truly believe.
This isn’t the time to be placing more importance on a toxic agenda over a Pakistan win.

You’ve shown your true self here.
 
Kianig89 said:
Nobody is mocking Shan the nepokid, in fact those going gaaga over him are supporting the corruption culture and lack of merit in the system
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On current form, he’s in the team on merit. At present, I much rather have him over Imam and Abdullah Shafiquez.

In terms of captaincy, there are no other valid options. If you want to see Peshawar street cricket, by all means vouch for Rizwan.
 
Mamoon said:
You know you are a joke of a batsman when your fans are singing songs in your praise and writing poems about your form when you are averaging a mighty 36.
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That's not the crux of the argument. The argument is that while 36 to 38 avg by shan is nothing special, it's ironically > every other batter in the team.

He has been consistently scoring more runs them everyone else. Only batter who's been objectively better then him atm is saud shakeel who's despite having lesser runs, lesser avg, he has scored on extremly tough putches with his England innings being an atg knock.

Similarly his 80+ runs in a difficult wi putch saved the game + Rizwan's 70 as well.

Another batter you can argue who's been > him in test is rizwan as well.

Everyone else including your favourite babar has been well and truly behind him since he became captain.

And in terms of sr, he's been heads and shoulders > the rest. Yes sr doesn't matter much in test cricket but highlighting a key metric.
 
mominsaigol said:
That's not the crux of the argument. The argument is that while 36 to 38 avg by shan is nothing special, it's ironically > every other batter in the team.

He has been consistently scoring more runs them everyone else. Only batter who's been objectively better then him atm is saud shakeel who's despite having lesser runs, lesser avg, he has scored on extremly tough putches with his England innings being an atg knock.

Similarly his 80+ runs in a difficult wi putch saved the game + Rizwan's 70 as well.

Another batter you can argue who's been > him in test is rizwan as well.

Everyone else including your favourite babar has been well and truly behind him since he became captain.

And in terms of sr, he's been heads and shoulders > the rest. Yes sr doesn't matter much in test cricket but highlighting a key metric.
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Scoring more than others except one batsman over a period of 10-15 matches does not merit any praise when you have been a certified failure all your career and you are not uprooting any trees even in your so-called purple patch.

Since Masood became captain, he has apparently been in good form and he averages 36.

In comparison, Babar and Rizwan have been averaging 24 and 43 while being in bad form.

So Masood in good form is worse than Rizwan in bad form. Moreover, a player like Babar’s good form means averaging of 50+ which Masood cannot sustain over a period of time.

So I don’t see any reason why Masood should get any sort of praise for his batting during his captaincy. He has been above average at best and if you are averaging 36 in your purple patch it says a lot about your ceiling as a player.

Masood like Sarfaraz is hanging on for dear life as an international cricketer thanks to being appointed as captain which he does not deserve, and whenever a player is keeping his place only because of captaincy, it is always a problem.

Even today, Masood does not belong in the best Test XI of Pakistan which means that he has no business being captain.
 
Mamoon said:
Scoring more than others except one batsman over a period of 10-15 matches does not merit any praise when you have been a certified failure all your career and you are not uprooting any trees even in your so-called purple patch.

Since Masood became captain, he has apparently been in good form and he averages 36.

In comparison, Babar and Rizwan have been averaging 24 and 43 while being in bad form.

So Masood in good form is worse than Rizwan in bad form. Moreover, a player like Babar’s good form means averaging of 50+ which Masood cannot sustain over a period of time.

So I don’t see any reason why Masood should get any sort of praise for his batting during his captaincy. He has been above average at best and if you are averaging 36 in your purple patch it says a lot about your ceiling as a player.

Masood like Sarfaraz is hanging on for dear life as an international cricketer thanks to being appointed as captain which he does not deserve, and whenever a player is keeping his place only because of captaincy, it is always a problem.

Even today, Masood does not belong in the best Test XI of Pakistan which means that he has no business being captain.
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Exactly
 
Mamoon said:
Scoring more than others except one batsman over a period of 10-15 matches does not merit any praise when you have been a certified failure all your career and you are not uprooting any trees even in your so-called purple patch.

Since Masood became captain, he has apparently been in good form and he averages 36.

In comparison, Babar and Rizwan have been averaging 24 and 43 while being in bad form.

So Masood in good form is worse than Rizwan in bad form. Moreover, a player like Babar’s good form means averaging of 50+ which Masood cannot sustain over a period of time.

So I don’t see any reason why Masood should get any sort of praise for his batting during his captaincy. He has been above average at best and if you are averaging 36 in your purple patch it says a lot about your ceiling as a player.

Masood like Sarfaraz is hanging on for dear life as an international cricketer thanks to being appointed as captain which he does not deserve, and whenever a player is keeping his place only because of captaincy, it is always a problem.

Even today, Masood does not belong in the best Test XI of Pakistan which means that he has no business being captain.
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Rizwan is not in bad form in tests? Who says he's in bad form?

His all time avg in tests ranges from 40 to 41 and he's been avg 41 since shan arrived? He's been consistent and has scored a century recently? On what basis is he in bad form?

If you're referring to England test series, Rizwan has always been poor against England in test. His worst performances have come against England in tests in the same way pointing worst performances have come against India in India.

As for Babar, Babar is in pathetic test form. He's showing signs of regaining his odi form but his test form is declining. To top it off with these sorts of spin mamba pitches and babar being historically poor against spin, he ain't improving his numbers in home conditons anytime soon.
 
Another failure for our very own Shan bhai... 15 for him today against windies in the 2nd test.
 
nobody is talking about this guy... 42 games and 30 average.. Pathetic.. that 30 average will fall below 30 next inning..
 
SHan is nowhere to be seen... riz is making all the changes...LOL

Trying to hide behind Sajid and Noman once again.
 
Mamoon said:
Scoring more than others except one batsman over a period of 10-15 matches does not merit any praise when you have been a certified failure all your career and you are not uprooting any trees even in your so-called purple patch.

Since Masood became captain, he has apparently been in good form and he averages 36.

In comparison, Babar and Rizwan have been averaging 24 and 43 while being in bad form.

So Masood in good form is worse than Rizwan in bad form. Moreover, a player like Babar’s good form means averaging of 50+ which Masood cannot sustain over a period of time.

So I don’t see any reason why Masood should get any sort of praise for his batting during his captaincy. He has been above average at best and if you are averaging 36 in your purple patch it says a lot about your ceiling as a player.

Masood like Sarfaraz is hanging on for dear life as an international cricketer thanks to being appointed as captain which he does not deserve, and whenever a player is keeping his place only because of captaincy, it is always a problem.

Even today, Masood does not belong in the best Test XI of Pakistan which means that he has no business being captain.
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Test openers tend to average significantly less than middle-order batters, so the comparison you’re making doesn’t account for that context.

The benchmark for a Test opener is typically around 40+, while for middle-order batters, it’s 50+. That disparity reflects the additional challenges openers face, such as fresh bowlers, new-ball conditions, and more movement.

This is why Test openers are often a revolving door, even in strong cricketing nations like Australia, India, and England.

While the overall record might seem underwhelming, the recent performances are solid enough to justify continuing with the Shan for now.
 
Farabi said:
Test openers tend to average significantly less than middle-order batters, so the comparison you’re making doesn’t account for that context.

The benchmark for a Test opener is typically around 40+, while for middle-order batters, it’s 50+. That disparity reflects the additional challenges openers face, such as fresh bowlers, new-ball conditions, and more movement.

This is why Test openers are often a revolving door, even in strong cricketing nations like Australia, India, and England.

While the overall record might seem underwhelming, the recent performances are solid enough to justify continuing with the Shan for now.
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Masood’s batting averaging by number:

Opener: 29
#3: 32
#4: 31

No matter what position you play him in, he is not good enough and his ceiling is 32-33 average which means he doesn’t belong at this level. Unfortunately, some people will never accept the reality.
 
Mamoon said:
Masood’s batting averaging by number:

Opener: 29
#3: 32
#4: 31

No matter what position you play him in, he is not good enough and his ceiling is 32-33 average which means he doesn’t belong at this level. Unfortunately, some people will never accept the reality.
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You’re building a bit of a strawman here. Everyone’s aware of Shan’s overall mediocre record.

The real question is whether his recent performances justify continuing with him, and the answer to that is yes, for now.

My comment was specifically about your comparison between Shan’s recent numbers and Babar and Rizwan’s, which doesn’t work because Shan is an opener, and Rizwan and Babar in the middle order. The roles and expectations for these positions are completely different. His recent numbers are OK and nothing to sniff at.
 
Mamoon said:
Masood’s batting averaging by number:

Opener: 29
#3: 32
#4: 31

No matter what position you play him in, he is not good enough and his ceiling is 32-33 average which means he doesn’t belong at this level. Unfortunately, some people will never accept the reality.
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Needs to be removed from captain

One of the most dumbest captain neither perform with bat too
 
Farabi said:
You’re building a bit of a strawman here. Everyone’s aware of Shan’s overall mediocre record.

The real question is whether his recent performances justify continuing with him, and the answer to that is yes, for now.

My comment was specifically about your comparison between Shan’s recent numbers and Babar and Rizwan’s, which doesn’t work because Shan is an opener, and Rizwan and Babar in the middle order. The roles and expectations for these positions are completely different. His recent numbers are OK and nothing to sniff at.
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A strawman would have been more useful than Masood given the number of opportunities he has had since 2013.

He is an awful player who doesn’t belong at this level and even today, he doesn’t make Pakistan’s best XI. This should be his last Test match but unfortunately it won’t be.
 
Given Shan Masood's continued struggles as captain, do you think it's time to consider a new leader for Pakistan's Test side, especially with the next series being about 10 months away?

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FearlessRoar said:
Given Shan Masood's continued struggles as captain, do you think it's time to consider a new leader for Pakistan's Test side, especially with the next series being about 10 months away?

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Please share his record as Test Captain, w/l ratio
 
Another shock for Pakistan, West Indies drawing the series. Just like Bangladesh winning 2-0. Hurts him probably more than winning the England series which you can argue was an upset. But when you’re favourites at home and lose or draw, he’s going to get attacked more. Finally as things were turning around, I thought we were going to win this West Indies series, and you can say he turned a leaf. But another strange occurrence, happened against Bangladesh, now here a West Indies, and even cost a test in Australia. Keep finding ways to lose from victory. It’s funny because outside of these moments he looks relatively alright, but when these moments happens he looks downright awful. You could even argue it was bad luck. I think also when things become tricky, he loses confidence.

As a batsman he isn’t doing well. But he’s somehow outperforming the rest of our top 4. You could argue you could kick all of those guys out as well.

I feel he’s just in a dreadful position. I feel bad for him as I think he’s trying his best, and it’s not him that picked himself to be captain. Just a whole awkward position when you’re just shoehorned into a team just to captain. I know Misbah was the same but he instantly performed with the bat and won series. Masood just hasn’t stepped up as quickly.
 
FearlessRoar said:
Given Shan Masood's continued struggles as captain, do you think it's time to consider a new leader for Pakistan's Test side, especially with the next series being about 10 months away?

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Yes. Here's the patterns of shan masood atm

A) He has consistently let teams recover and get absurd scored from virtually collapsed positions, Both aus, Wi, and Bangladesh recovered from virtually unwinnable positions due to shan's rubbish field sets and captaincy.

People made excuses for Australia because it was their home den and the team is Australia. But wi and Bangladesh is unforgivable, their not a world class world beater team lol.

B) He's been clueless in every conditon. When it comes to his home wins, As @Major pointed out, his only strategy is to spam sajid and noman 24/7. That's it. No other strategy. It worked, cause it's a spin mamba pitch but eventually the bubble was going to burst as Pakistan were bound to lose a toss.

C) He has a poor attitude. Typically picks fights, Takes wrong drs decisons aka allowing naseem to waste pk reviews, and blames his teammates in press conferences after every defeat.

His only saving grace is that even though he's been poor as a batter surprisingly he's been Pakistan's 3rd best test batter after saud and rizwan. He's been avg 37 since he became a test captain and even though that's poor, it's better then everyone excluding saud and rizwan.
 
mominsaigol said:
Yes. Here's the patterns of shan masood atm

A) He has consistently let teams recover and get absurd scored from virtually collapsed positions, Both aus, Wi, and Bangladesh recovered from virtually unwinnable positions due to shan's rubbish field sets and captaincy.

People made excuses for Australia because it was their home den and the team is Australia. But wi and Bangladesh is unforgivable, their not a world class world beater team lol.

B) He's been clueless in every conditon. When it comes to his home wins, As @Major pointed out, his only strategy is to spam sajid and noman 24/7. That's it. No other strategy. It worked, cause it's a spin mamba pitch but eventually the bubble was going to burst as Pakistan were bound to lose a toss.

C) He has a poor attitude. Typically picks fights, Takes wrong drs decisons aka allowing naseem to waste pk reviews, and blames his teammates in press conferences after every defeat.

His only saving grace is that even though he's been poor as a batter surprisingly he's been Pakistan's 3rd best test batter after saud and rizwan. He's been avg 37 since he became a test captain and even though that's poor, it's better then everyone excluding saud and rizwan.
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With that being said, Saud should be trusted to captain now as vc but if rizwan is appointed in test I wouldn't mind.

I have zero issues with rizwan in tests in the same way i have zero issues with Babar in odi.

I only have an issue with people claiming babar is pak's best ever odi batter.

But babar is fine in odi and rizwan is fine in test. Their the best options for their positions.
 
My biggest concern is he wants raging spin pitches in domestic cricket to prepare batters better

If all domestic teams play 3-4 spinners every game the pacers talent pool narrows down completely and we never win a test abroad and even white ball suffers if we stop producing enough pacers

His and Aqib vision for Pakistan is to be Bangladesh 2000-2010
 
He’s so clueless that he goes with 4 pacers on a flat Cape Town pitch and make Agha bowl 40 overs and then on home spinning tracks Agha dosent get even an over even when tail is frustrating Sajid/ Noman
 
The Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) is reportedly set to make a major leadership shift, with a replacement expected to follow Shan Masood as the Test captain ahead of Pakistan’s home series against South Africa in October

Sources close to the PCB revealed that Saud Shakeel is under-consideration for Test captaincy, although no official announcement has been made.

The change is part of a broader overhaul of Pakistan’s red-ball cricket structure, which may also include a revamp of the Test coaching staff.

Shan Masood, who took over the Test reins in November 2023, has overseen a challenging run for Pakistan.

Under his captaincy, the team has managed just three wins in 12 Tests, suffering nine defeats. Their campaign in the ICC World Test Championship 2023–25 has been especially poor, with Pakistan languishing in ninth place on the points table.

The team endured whitewashes against Australia, Bangladesh, and South Africa, and managed series wins only against Sri Lanka and England.

A drawn series against the West Indies did little to offset growing concerns about leadership and tactical execution.

By contrast, Saud Shakeel has emerged as a stabilising figure in the Test middle order, averaging over 50 since his debut. His consistency and calm demeanour have drawn praise from selectors, who now view him as a long-term leadership candidate.

Shakeel’s recent captaincy of the Quetta Gladiators in the HBL Pakistan Super League (PSL) 10 has further strengthened his case. He led the side to the top of the table with six wins in nine matches, demonstrating maturity and strategic acumen under pressure.

The PCB’s interest in Shakeel reportedly stems from his ability to balance individual performance with team leadership — something they see as essential for rebuilding Pakistan’s Test identity.

Pakistan’s next Test challenge begins in October 2025, when South Africa tours for a multi-format series including two Tests, three ODIs, and three T20Is.

The leadership decision is expected to be formalised well ahead of the series to allow time for transition and preparation.

Source: The Express Tribune
 
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