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lazy cricketer said:
people just hate Babar, the only guy scoring for you losers. we all saw what happened in t20is. kick baber out and you will be be in s hole all the time.
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How is what happened today different from what happened in T20s?

And when required rate is over 8 and field is spread its easiest thing in the world to score under run a ball without taking any risks.

You can always be only guy scoring if you don't aim for target but just stat pad. Usman could, agha could
 
Sachin fan said:
How is what happened today different from what happened in T20s?

And when required rate is over 8 and field is spread its easiest thing in the world to score under run a ball without taking any risks.

You can always be only guy scoring if you don't aim for target but just stat pad. Usman could, agha could
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If you are comparing Usman's inning with Babar's, then you, my friend, have no idea about cricket. I'm not going to waste my words with you
 
Ahmed216 said:
When they don't have time to settle in they simply cannot be blamed.

Why only Babar and Rizwan are allowed to waste deliveries?

From over 11 to 20 this pathetic partnership scored 40 runs or may be less.
That street level bowler the debutant was being treated like Wasim Akram.

It may work sometimes batting first but never when you're chasing.
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What about the NZ innings where the last few wickets were dropping but they kept accelerating. Mitchell had a strike rate in the 60s for most of his innings just so they can have wickets in hand to go ballistic. And they did. Difference is we don't.

At the same point Babar got out, NZ at that point were hovering around 200. We were at 250. Difference is we couldn't up the ante against their street level bowlers whereas they pummeled our world class attack. Forget uping the ante, we gave them 6 wickets in like 5 overs.
 
daytrader said:
What about the NZ innings where the last few wickets were dropping but they kept accelerating. Mitchell had a strike rate in the 60s for most of his innings just so they can have wickets in hand to go ballistic. And they did. Difference is we don't.

At the same point Babar got out, NZ at that point were hovering around 200. We were at 250. Difference is we couldn't up the ante against their street level bowlers whereas they pummeled our world class attack. Forget uping the ante, we gave them 6 wickets in like 5 overs.
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I don't know how many ODIs you have followed but there has always been a difference in approach in batting first vs chasing.

While chasing most successful chases in history have always come when you hit from beginning and keep required run rate in check. Keeping wicket in hand and then hitting later doesn't work in chases.

You cannot compare approach while setting target with chasing.
 
daytrader said:
What about the NZ innings where the last few wickets were dropping but they kept accelerating. Mitchell had a strike rate in the 60s for most of his innings just so they can have wickets in hand to go ballistic. And they did. Difference is we don't.

At the same point Babar got out, NZ at that point were hovering around 200. We were at 250. Difference is we couldn't up the ante against their street level bowlers whereas they pummeled our world class attack. Forget uping the ante, we gave them 6 wickets in like 5 overs.
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We had part timers bowling during that period because our genius Rizwan does not bother a play proper spinner.

Mitchell played slowly initially because surface was helping seamers and he knew could accelerate. When has Babar ever accelerated in his career?

My point in what chance did he give his team to win leaving them to chase 180 in 20 overs.

And you must understand the difference between batting first and chasing.
 
lazy cricketer said:
If you are comparing Usman's inning with Babar's, then you, my friend, have no idea about cricket. I'm not going to waste my words with you
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Usman and Abdullah weathered the storm, if it wasn’t for their 80 run partnership, Babar would’ve been back in the pavilion way earlier.
 
daytrader said:
Man we can't play out full 20 overs let alone 50. The solution is not to kick out Babar but to find another Babar so we can at least get the basics right.
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Playing 50 overs is not a problem. They will bring back Imam and that issue will be solved but do we really need batsmen with sr in 80s who lack the ability to accelerate. I am not sure about Babar right now but asking for another Babar is madness.
 
daytrader said:
Mitchell had a strike rate in the 60s for most of his innings just so they can have wickets in hand to go ballistic. And they did. Difference is we don't.
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You think they were consciously playing at a low sr? Like Pakistan batters do?

You have serious game reading issues I’m afraid.

Chapman in the midst of tough batting conditions with the ball seaming and swinging was still looking to be positive. A few times he berated himself for missing out on balls he knows he can put to the boundary. Once he got a hold, he was unstoppable. He didn’t take one six from Agha and look for an easy single next ball, he had the mindset of putting every ball of Agha to the boundary every time he faced him.

Mitchell on the other hand is woefully out of form. He isn’t in any rhythm at all, even he wants to bat at a sr of 100 but he just can’t atm!

Don’t try to make it out as if these batters do not want to play aggressive early on and then look to catch up later!
 
daytrader said:
In the partnership with Agha, Babar scored 33 runs at a strike rate of 126. Agha scored 44 at a strike rate of 133. Agha was marginally more aggressive. We can atleast give that leeway to a top order batter vs a #5.

As for not enough balls remaining, bro we had 6 overs left and got all out. And it's not like they were striking at 200 that they threw their wickets away how long will this excuse work for our middle lower order? Again we scored only 21 runs in 33 balls and lost 6 wickets.
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It was Agha who started the attack as a fresh batsman. Once opposition was on backfoot, Babar got the hosla to play a few shots. This is criminal that a set batsman is relying on newcomers to bat quickly while he is comfortable with his soft runs. It was crazy to see Babar taking singles and giving the strike to Salman.
 
Greenstorm said:
It was Agha who started the attack as a fresh batsman. Once opposition was on backfoot, Babar got the hosla to play a few shots. This is criminal that a set batsman is relying on newcomers to bat quickly while he is comfortable with his soft runs. It was crazy to see Babar taking singles and giving the strike to Salman.
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I haven’t seen the Pakistan innings but I don’t doubt anything you have said here.

I know these players like the back of my hand! Aint now way Babar or Rizwan ever takes the initiative to be the leader of the charge!
 
“Sixes in powerplay since 2024

Usman Khan 2 in 28 balls
Babar Azam 1 in 215 balls”

But but but we don’t need to be aggressive!!
 
Rana said:
I haven’t seen the Pakistan innings but I don’t doubt anything you have said here.

I know these players like the back of my hand! Aint now way Babar or Rizwan ever takes the initiative to be the leader of the charge!
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Babar was statpadding as usual but after agha took nz bowlers to cleaners he hit a 4 and a 6 of some loose stuff.
Overall that was a ghatiya innings tbh.
 
Rana said:
“Sixes in powerplay since 2024

Usman Khan 2 in 28 balls
Babar Azam 1 in 215 balls”

But but but we don’t need to be aggressive!!
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Rana said:
“Sixes in powerplay since 2024

Usman Khan 2 in 28 balls
Babar Azam 1 in 215 balls”

But but but we don’t need to be aggressive!!
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a hacking usman khan is 10x better than statpadding rizbar.
These 2 batting make me lose interest in watching cricket.
 
Rana said:
I haven’t seen the Pakistan innings but I don’t doubt anything you have said here.

I know these players like the back of my hand! Aint now way Babar or Rizwan ever takes the initiative to be the leader of the charge!
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Exactly. I was in favour of Babar and Rizzu in ODIs but now I am having doubts. This cannot go on forever.
 
If not for ravadari and seniority culture in Pakistan, I am sure Fakhar and Salman types would have said a mouthful to Babar. Maybe he needs that.

Today on the last ball of Bracewell's spell, Babar got on the back foot and scored a boundary by cutting it through the vacant offside field. Neither him or Rizwan tried that shot against Bracewell during his spell. They kept playing on legside allowing him to get through his overs. NZs attacked our spinner on this ground while we were content with soft singles and odd boundary.
 
daytrader said:
What about the NZ innings where the last few wickets were dropping but they kept accelerating. Mitchell had a strike rate in the 60s for most of his innings just so they can have wickets in hand to go ballistic. And they did. Difference is we don't.

At the same point Babar got out, NZ at that point were hovering around 200. We were at 250. Difference is we couldn't up the ante against their street level bowlers whereas they pummeled our world class attack. Forget uping the ante, we gave them 6 wickets in like 5 overs.
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No one is praising Mitchell's innings. Posters like @Rana and @jamie smith fan were even critiquing it.

It was a slow as mollases misbah innings that capitalised and increased it's Sr due to some Agha bashing.

Any other side would have exposed such an innings. Infact Mitchell was the reason NZ were stuck at 6 RR.

If anything most people agree that someone like abass should have been trusted to come in at 4. Pakistani bowlers are a joke and abass seems to be in red hot form atm. He was in red hot form during his league where he avg 40 and sr of 100+ against bowlers that are superior to our current unit.

So I don't see why he wouldn't be a better option. He's the reason NZ scored 344 otherwise Mitchell ensured a 290esc score for Nz.
 
mominsaigol said:
No one is praising Mitchell's innings. Posters like @Rana and @jamie smith fan were even critiquing it.

It was a slow as mollases misbah innings that capitalised and increased it's Sr due to some Agha bashing.

Any other side would have exposed such an innings. Infact Mitchell was the reason NZ were stuck at 6 RR.

If anything most people agree that someone like abass should have been trusted to come in at 4. Pakistani bowlers are a joke and abass seems to be in red hot form atm. He was in red hot form during his league where he avg 40 and sr of 100+ against bowlers that are superior to our current unit.

So I don't see why he wouldn't be a better option. He's the reason NZ scored 344 otherwise Mitchell ensured a 290esc score for Nz.
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mitchell has lost it now.
He was a gun odi batter from 2021-2024 but now looks like a shadow of himself.
He should gracefully retire and Abbas should replace him at 4.
 
jamie smith fan said:
They are useless everywhere.
Only rizwan is good in tests otherwise he is also trash everywhere.
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Rizwan isn't really good in tests. He has zero overseas test centuries. And hovers at a 40 avg even at home den conditons.

He's okay, not that greatest but not too bad.
 
Batted ok but it was half hearted shot that cost the game. He had to go totally up to clear the boundary or hit along the ground. It was interesting to see his bat lift change. Let's see if his Muscle memory can cope with the change
 
RidiculousMan said:
I think he needs to take an aggressive route now. Needs to play his shots. Doesn't matter if he gets out.
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His batting has lost its joy. Looks and plays like hostage. As I have said before and I repeat, he needs to open in tests and ODIs. He didn't do great in CT as an opener but the sample is small
 
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He is a very good batter but he should only play ODI and Test cricket. His batting style doesn't suit the fast paced T20 cricket where you must have a strike rate of at least 150 as a top order batter.
 
Babar made 78 off 83 today. In my opinion those runs at that SR is around the limit of what he can accomplish. He did good.

It's the others - batsmen or bowlers who lost the game.
 
TheSultan said:
This old sob story. What more does he want? The openers gave a good start, even Rizwan hung around at just under a run a ball, Salman was batting beautifully. It was all set, and he choked as usual.
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Why does he need to be the one to finish the inning? He scored plenty of run at a good SR, if your finishers didn’t score, not his problem.
 
Darkrai said:
Why does he need to be the one to finish the inning? He scored plenty of run at a good SR, if your finishers didn’t score, not his problem.
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That only makes sense when you are not the one who affords yourself the time to get the pace of the wicket in order to take it deep.

Babar has no excuses. Guys like Inzimam didn’t use to eat up deliveries early on to later leave Pakistan in a pickle!
 
Darkrai said:
Why does he need to be the one to finish the inning? He scored plenty of run at a good SR, if your finishers didn’t score, not his problem.
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The required run rate from beginning was ~7.5 an over. Babar played 83 balls (just below 1/3rd of total balls) at under 100 runs strike rate, which is below 6 per over.

How is that a "good" strike rate while chasing 345?

Even in that he had a pretty slow start and only hit later.
 
Darkrai said:
Why does he need to be the one to finish the inning? He scored plenty of run at a good SR, if your finishers didn’t score, not his problem.
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Time for the violins again. These simplistic tactics don’t work anymore, the cat is out of the bag.

A real “King” would do what Chapman did. There’s always an excuse for him. Sometimes “oh boo hoo, he has to play slow because he’s “stabilising” - there’s nothing to stabilise when he came in. The openers gave Pak the best ODI start in runs and rate, but he couldn’t help himself to stabilise with his initial 2 off 12.

If it’s not that it’s “oh boo hoo the finishers didn’t do the job for him”. It’s not as if he got out with just a few to get. We were still 100 runs away when the dumbo got out. His job was not done.

No more pathetic excuses. Take your sob stories elsewhere
 
While chasing 345, if you need 95 from 11.3 overs with 7 wickets in hand it means you are in a very good position to win the match.
The usual poster with lack of cricket knowledge blaming Babar, nothing surprising. He wasn't at his best, but paced his innings well. It was a good innings. Salman was also playing beautifully.
 
Don't if that's fake or true?
I don't think Babar can be labelled as Pakistan's best batsman ever. That's an overstatement.

Grant Elliott - "Babar Azam is one of the modern era greats & no doubt Pakistan’s best ever batsman. Pakistanis themselves try to put him down, but his stats, technique & shots speak for themselves. Show some respect & back him even when he fails."
 
TheSultan said:
Time for the violins again. These simplistic tactics don’t work anymore, the cat is out of the bag.

A real “King” would do what Chapman did. There’s always an excuse for him. Sometimes “oh boo hoo, he has to play slow because he’s “stabilising” - there’s nothing to stabilise when he came in. The openers gave Pak the best ODI start in runs and rate, but he couldn’t help himself to stabilise with his initial 2 off 12.

If it’s not that it’s “oh boo hoo the finishers didn’t do the job for him”. It’s not as if he got out with just a few to get. We were still 100 runs away when the dumbo got out. His job was not done.

No more pathetic excuses. Take your sob stories elsewhere
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And we only made 21 runs losing 6 wickets once he got out
 
Greenstorm said:
Playing 50 overs is not a problem. They will bring back Imam and that issue will be solved but do we really need batsmen with sr in 80s who lack the ability to accelerate. I am not sure about Babar right now but asking for another Babar is madness.
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I don't remember the last time we played 50 overs with say losing only 4/5 wickets only
 
daytrader said:
So your ambitions are for one batter to chase 340 by themselves? Let's be realistic please
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Mediocre fans will always find common ground mediocrity, so the same goes to you. Don’t expect the rest of us to share your low standards.

The cricketing form of trading to produce a return below inflation is not what we want to see here.
 
TheSultan said:
Time for the violins again. These simplistic tactics don’t work anymore, the cat is out of the bag.

A real “King” would do what Chapman did. There’s always an excuse for him. Sometimes “oh boo hoo, he has to play slow because he’s “stabilising” - there’s nothing to stabilise when he came in. The openers gave Pak the best ODI start in runs and rate, but he couldn’t help himself to stabilise with his initial 2 off 12.

If it’s not that it’s “oh boo hoo the finishers didn’t do the job for him”. It’s not as if he got out with just a few to get. We were still 100 runs away when the dumbo got out. His job was not done.

No more pathetic excuses. Take your sob stories elsewhere
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Exactly this.

These Misbah fans just want a tuk tuk exhibition.
 
I've been criticizing him too, but Babar wasn't the problem yesterday.

It was the coaching, fielding, and bowling.

Babar still has a role to play in ODIs but needs to have a good team built around him. While he should be nowhere near the T20I team, it's not the same with ODIs where a guy like him can still find a spot in his #3 spot.
 
So much drubbing from some babar fanboy posters 🤦🏻🤦🏻.

@Darkrai @Mobashir @daytrader

Let's actually look at the bigger picture.

A) When the first wicket fell Pakistan were at 83-1 in 12.4 overs. That's 83 runs in 76 deliveries which gives us a rr of slightly > 6. And while we are still behind the net run rate, The net run rate is still reasonably stable at this point in time.

B) Then when Abdullah fell while Pakistan was at 88-2, it happened in 15.4 overs? So as soon as babar walks in we scored 5 runs in the next 18 deliveries? And are now playing at below 6 RR in a 6.8RR run chase?

C) Then by the time Muhammad Rizwan falls we are at 164-3 in 28.5 overs? So we're still hovering at below 6RR and now have to chase 181 runs in 126 deliveries with 7 wickets in hand? This equation is difficult to chase down even in a t20 game with 10 wickets in hand and with the advantage of the 6 over PP?

D) Then when Babar Azam falls we are at 249-4 in 38.4 Overs, 95 runs are needed to chase down from 68 deliveries and yet we aren't suppose to give any credit to Salman Ali Agha for batting at a 120 SR?

It's only poor babar who was forced to stabilise???

People are delusional to think 95 runs is easy to get off 68 balls with only 6 wickets in hand. No 8-no 11 won't get it for you, you have 3 batters left to chase it down and they have to score Nearly 9 runs an over to reach the target.

It's not easy and can only be done if you have a set batter at the crease.
 
daytrader said:
And we only made 21 runs losing 6 wickets once he got out
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And this is the problem. No accountability or responsibility.

Agha had to bat at a sr of 120 for Pakistan to reach the 95 of 68 balls equation. Before that ba/riz not once batted at a strike rate of over 6 in a 7RR run chase. Tbf this time rizwan is not at fault cause he atleast tried to strike at nearly a 100.

Key takeaways from Aus vs England chase are that Inglis and Carey never slowed down. No one from Australia ever did. Even if they had lost that game, no one would blame Australia. Not once did the RR ever slip as long as set batters were at the crease.

Sides like Australia force Sides like India or England to dismiss their batters and get to the tail in order to restrict them to below par totals.

Sides like Pakistan are the opposite, they wait for the rr to get out of hand and then slog aimlessly.

In a 345 chase only batter can afford to bat like darly Mitchell. You need atleast 2 players to bat with a high SR.

Chapman and abass did that. And from Pakistan Agha and Usman khan did so however since they didn't score super centuries, the responsibility was on babar, Rizwan and Abdullah to not play like kachara batters.
 
I will say one thing though. Pakistan needs to avoid letting NZ consistently make 330+ against them.

330 to 350 is never easy to chase. That doesn't excuse babar's play style but still, just wanted to point it out.
 
TheSultan said:
This old sob story. What more does he want? The openers gave a good start, even Rizwan hung around at just under a run a ball, Salman was batting beautifully. It was all set, and he choked as usual.
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Their are 7 batsman including babar in the playing 11, if he has to do all the batting than what is the role of other batsman, and he never chocked in this game.
 
sugumarrising said:
Their are 7 batsman including babar in the playing 11, if he has to do all the batting than what is the role of other batsman, and he never chocked in this game.
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Did the other batters not do their jobs? Did usman khan not provide a start and put Pakistan ahead of the RR in the first 12 overs?

Did Agha not put Pakistan in touching distance 95 of 65 despite ba/riz collectively putting 163 in 29 overs and ensuring we remained at a RR of 5?

It's silly to think 2 fresh batters at the crease will get 95 of 65 against such an attack.
 
sugumarrising said:
Their are 7 batsman including babar in the playing 11, if he has to do all the batting than what is the role of other batsman, and he never chocked in this game.
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He didn’t do all the batting did he? When he got out the score was 249, there were another 170 runs scored without him - that’s 61% - and at a significantly better rate I might add.

Sorry it doesn’t wash anymore. Tell your boys at Saya to come out with some new tactics. The world isn’t foolish.
 
daytrader said:
I don't remember the last time we played 50 overs with say losing only 4/5 wickets only
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The game was in our hands. 81 runs to get in 11 overs. About 7 an over. If Babar didn’t get out at that point even easier. Agha was batting well too.

Complete collapse and we get bowled out 44th over. Didn’t even complete 50 overs despite a relatively comfortable run chase before that point.

Same with bowling, the way we started no way should NZ got 330.

Funny thing NZ were 249-4 just like Pakistan. But they only got there after 41st over. And they still made 330.

Still the main blame is how Pak allowed 330 in first place. It’s always tricky to chase that on a pitch like this.

Our batsmen just have a problem with being able to play themselves in and accelerate. Either they play themselves in and can’t accelerate like Babar, Rizwan etc. Or they can’t play themselves in get out. Or try just swinging at the crease in order to be aggressive and get out early. Most of our batsmen simply do not have the ability or confidence to play themselves in and then look to accelerate once set. Foreign teams are full of people who can do that. I’ve said it before people go on about a quick start and powerplay but the main issue is these guys can’t accelerate once set.
 
Rana said:
That only makes sense when you are not the one who affords yourself the time to get the pace of the wicket in order to take it deep.

Babar has no excuses. Guys like Inzimam didn’t use to eat up deliveries early on to later leave Pakistan in a pickle!
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Except Babar didn't leave them in a pickle. He put Pakistan is a good position. I didn't watch the second innings of the match, but when he got out you had Salman, Tahir, Irfan and the tail. That should have been enough to chase 8-8.5 RRR in the last 10 overs.

If the rest of your lower order batters made no contributions, then that's not his fault. You can't blame the person who scored the most runs at a good rate batting at number 3 while the finishers made 0 contributions, and the second highest score was 58.
 
According to Wasay and Iffi, Babar was astonished when he hit bracewell for six and confirmed from Rizwan whether its six or four. He could not believe he had hit a six.
 
Sachin fan said:
The required run rate from beginning was ~7.5 an over. Babar played 83 balls (just below 1/3rd of total balls) at under 100 runs strike rate, which is below 6 per over.

How is that a "good" strike rate while chasing 345?

Even in that he had a pretty slow start and only hit later.
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He is a number 3 batter; he did his job. You don't chase 350 with 30-50 runs each from your top 6 batters.

Are you suggesting, if he scored 30-50 at a SR of 110-120 then the lower would have chased the target no problem? The same guys who made like 20 odd runs together?
 
TheSultan said:
Time for the violins again. These simplistic tactics don’t work anymore, the cat is out of the bag.

A real “King” would do what Chapman did. There’s always an excuse for him. Sometimes “oh boo hoo, he has to play slow because he’s “stabilising” - there’s nothing to stabilise when he came in. The openers gave Pak the best ODI start in runs and rate, but he couldn’t help himself to stabilise with his initial 2 off 12.

If it’s not that it’s “oh boo hoo the finishers didn’t do the job for him”. It’s not as if he got out with just a few to get. We were still 100 runs away when the dumbo got out. His job was not done.

No more pathetic excuses. Take your sob stories elsewhere
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You are the one making pathetic excuses for the rest of the batters. Barring him and Agha, your top 6 scored 30-40 runs each, and your lower order scored 20 odd runs combined. You are chasing 350 here, not 250.

You have to be an idiot to let punch of fanboys calling him "King" get to you - that's your problem. Even random unknown players have hardcore fans who call them "my GOAT', "my king" - so pipe down with that nonsense.
 
Darkrai said:
You are the one making pathetic excuses for the rest of the batters. Barring him and Agha, your top 6 scored 30-40 runs each, and your lower order scored 20 odd runs combined. You are chasing 350 here, not 250.

You have to be an idiot to let punch of fanboys calling him "King" get to you - that's your problem. Even random unknown players have hardcore fans who call them "my GOAT', "my king" - so pipe down with that nonsense.
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You’re the joker comparing a no3 player who is supposed to be the mainstay of the team, who’s had an unchallenged ride in the team for almost a decade to tailenders and newbies.
 
TheSultan said:
You’re the joker comparing a no3 player who is supposed to be the mainstay of the team, who’s had an unchallenged ride in the team for almost a decade to tailenders and newbies.
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Did i hurt your feelings? Poor guy.

Maybe next time your newbies will score more than ducks and 30s.
 
Darkrai said:
Did i hurt your feelings? Poor guy.

Maybe next time your newbies will score more than ducks and 30s.
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No you didn’t - i just have no sympathy for moping sensitive babar fans. The victim mentality and violins don’t work anymore - I’m trying to get you to man up.

All the best, I’m rooting for you.
 
Darkrai said:
Did i hurt your feelings? Poor guy.

Maybe next time your newbies will score more than ducks and 30s.
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Even sachin, Kohli didn't score in their first overseas series. What kind of logic is this?

All other teams give new comer bigger ropes and are patient with them while they hold seniors who have played long accountable.

Meanwhile subcontinent fans will mollycuddle seniors and make excuses but will expect new comers playing first time in alien conditions to win matches at over 9-10 an over required rate against good bowlers in their own conditions.

Baffling mentality, they deserve all the humiliation of losses with this kind of thinking.
 
TheSultan said:
No you didn’t - i just have no sympathy for moping sensitive babar fans. The victim mentality and violins don’t work anymore - I’m trying to get you to man up.

All the best, I’m rooting for you.
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I’m not a Babar fan, but I’m not going criticize him or any player for no reason and make excuses for others players whom i might like.
 
Babar played well yesterday so no point criticising him
It is not his fault that the bowlers conceded that many runs and middle l -lower order barring Agha played like utter tailenders.
 
Sachin fan said:
Even sachin, Kohli didn't score in their first overseas series. What kind of logic is this?

All other teams give new comer bigger ropes and are patient with them while they hold seniors who have played long accountable.

Meanwhile subcontinent fans will mollycuddle seniors and make excuses but will expect new comers playing first time in alien conditions to win matches at over 9-10 an over required rate against good bowlers in their own conditions.

Baffling mentality, they deserve all the humiliation of losses with this kind of thinking.
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Problem becomes when people just target certain players and ignore other problems in the team.

For instance, why did we concede 350 here? Why are we playing with 4 bowlers?

Could Babar have batted at a quicker rate? Yes. But that’s not the main reason we lost.

I have no problem if you want to drop Babar and go in a different direction, like in the T20s, but using him to make excuses for the failures of other players and coaching staff is where the problem lies.

In fact, it would be a good change to see Pakistan play without Babar and Rizwan, and give fair chance to others players. After having a look at every potential candidate, we can select the best players, given their performances and form.
 
mominsaigol said:
Did the other batters not do their jobs? Did usman khan not provide a start and put Pakistan ahead of the RR in the first 12 overs?

Did Agha not put Pakistan in touching distance 95 of 65 despite ba/riz collectively putting 163 in 29 overs and ensuring we remained at a RR of 5?

It's silly to think 2 fresh batters at the crease will get 95 of 65 against such an attack.
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There is no RizBar.
Babar played well in this match. Rizwan didn't. Agha batter well.
Babar scored hist last 32 runs from 22 balls.
When Babar was out 95 remained in 11.3 overs. Who were the two fresh batsmen ? Salman was Still at the crease.
You can't blame Babar or Salman for this loss, they are the two who played well.
 
TheSultan said:
You’re the joker comparing a no3 player who is supposed to be the mainstay of the team, who’s had an unchallenged ride in the team for almost a decade to tailenders and newbies.
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Yes, we should have played Tayab Tahir at 3 for this decade.
 
Sachin fan said:
Even sachin, Kohli didn't score in their first overseas series. What kind of logic is this?

All other teams give new comer bigger ropes and are patient with them while they hold seniors who have played long accountable.

Meanwhile subcontinent fans will mollycuddle seniors and make excuses but will expect new comers playing first time in alien conditions to win matches at over 9-10 an over required rate against good bowlers in their own conditions.

Baffling mentality, they deserve all the humiliation of losses with this kind of thinking.
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Continue doing what you were doing before feb 19. You were probably better at it.
 
Mobashir said:
There is no RizBar.
Babar played well in this match. Rizwan didn't. Agha batter well.
Babar scored hist last 32 runs from 22 balls.
When Babar was out 95 remained in 11.3 overs. Who were the two fresh batsmen ? Salman was Still at the crease.
You can't blame Babar or Salman for this loss, they are the two who played well.
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95 are a lot of runs. Even kiwi lower order failed. Abbas' role was played by Salman in our innings. The difference is Babar couldn't do what Chapman did. Now if this was one off then one could have understood but this is a theme now with Babar. He fails to accelerate when required. After 10 years of intl cricket, we should expect more of him instead of going after newbies.
 
Greenstorm said:
95 are a lot of runs. Even kiwi lower order failed. Abbas' role was played by Salman in our innings. The difference is Babar couldn't do what Chapman did. Now if this was one off then one could have understood but this is a theme now with Babar. He fails to accelerate when required. After 10 years of intl cricket, we should expect more of him instead of going after newbies.
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The problem of some of the guys, is they want Babar to play like Head in the powerplay, like Root in overs 11-25, like Klassen in overs 26-40 and like Maxwell in overs 41-50.
He can't. He really isn't that good. He has a lot of limitation in his game. Just like every batsman has his own limitations.

95 are a lot of runs: True. And when you are Chasing 345, don't expect you will have Just 50 to add in the last 10.
95 from 11.3 with 6-7 wickets in hand is a very fine position to be in Chasing 345.
 
Mobashir said:
The problem of some of the guys, is they want Babar to play like Head in the powerplay, like Root in overs 11-25, like Klassen in overs 26-40 and like Maxwell in overs 41-50.
He can't. He really isn't that good. He has a lot of limitation in his game. Just like every batsman has his own limitations.

95 are a lot of runs: True. And when you are Chasing 345, don't expect you will have Just 50 to add in the last 10.
95 from 11.3 with 6-7 wickets in hand is a very fine position to be in Chasing 345.
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Tu rehnde bhai.

Babar scores a mediocre half century and now your back chest thumping. Koi sharam haya hai?
 
Mobashir said:
The problem of some of the guys, is they want Babar to play like Head in the powerplay, like Root in overs 11-25, like Klassen in overs 26-40 and like Maxwell in overs 41-50.
He can't. He really isn't that good. He has a lot of limitation in his game. Just like every batsman has his own limitations.

95 are a lot of runs: True. And when you are Chasing 345, don't expect you will have Just 50 to add in the last 10.
95 from 11.3 with 6-7 wickets in hand is a very fine position to be in Chasing 345.
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No I just want Babar to finish games when set and to be more intelligent in terms of which bowlers to hit. Issue is that when Babar starts playing around 100 Sr, he throws his wicket away.

That 95 from 69 was mainly due to Salman who pushed opposition on backfoot that allowed Babar to accelerate. Even Joe Root and Williamson have shown better ability to impose themselves on opposition than Babar.

Although I don't think he should be dropped now mainly because of limited alternatives.
 
Rana said:
Rehnde mera praa

First explain, what do you want Babar to be? Considering what is best for Pakistan and not Babar’s personal runs?
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When Babar goes out for low scores, he's nowhere to be seen.

Now that's he scored some dead half century, he's become active here as if his boy did something big for Pakistan during the last game.
 
Mobashir said:
The problem of some of the guys, is they want Babar to play like Head in the powerplay, like Root in overs 11-25, like Klassen in overs 26-40 and like Maxwell in overs 41-50.
He can't. He really isn't that good. He has a lot of limitation in his game. Just like every batsman has his own limitations.

95 are a lot of runs: True. And when you are Chasing 345, don't expect you will have Just 50 to add in the last 10.
95 from 11.3 with 6-7 wickets in hand is a very fine position to be in Chasing 345.
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No, we're asking him not to come up with 19 runs off his first 38 balls when the run rate is mounting. It's called playing for the team.
 
Mobashir said:
There is no RizBar.
Babar played well in this match. Rizwan didn't. Agha batter well.
Babar scored hist last 32 runs from 22 balls.
When Babar was out 95 remained in 11.3 overs. Who were the two fresh batsmen ? Salman was Still at the crease.
You can't blame Babar or Salman for this loss, they are the two who played well.
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No he didn't. 🤣🤣. And don't put salman next to babar. Nice try lol.
 
Greenstorm said:
M Hafeez was right. Babar doesn't know how to pace his innings. Today commentator mentioned that his strike rate goes above 90 when he has faced 80 balls ! Thats simply too late to accelerate and he is not Afridi or Gayle either who can just change the game once he gets going.

Until now, I was convinced that Babar was good enough to be in team as an anchor in ODIs. But now I am not sure. Thinking about what lineup can look like without rizbabar. Here is an alternative lineup that we can look at if rizbabar keep tuk tuking during middle overs.

1. Saim
2. Farhan/Usman/Aggressive opener
3. Kamran/Saud
4. Salman
5. Fakhar
6. Jamal/Arafat/Niazi
7. Harris
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I m convinced you don’t know what you are talking about
 
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