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[PICTURES/VIDEOS] What now for Babar Azam?

It's not really about whether Babar is to blame for the CT debacle or any particular defeat, it's more about the general trend in the last 3 years or so. Till 2022, Babar was well on his way to becoming one of the modern day greats. His decline since then has been stunning to say the least. The centuries have dried up, the match-winning knocks have dried up, he regularly struggles in challenging conditions and against good bowlers. He just seems like an average batsman now. And the most troubling question that people have started asking now is what if this is his ceiling?

I mean how long exactly is a lean run supposed to last before you start asking that question? I feel like everyone has been very patient but eventually even patience begins to run dry. Any Pak fan who saw Babar between 2016-22 surely cannot be satisfied with these kinds of performances. I can't even remember the last time he scored a century in any format.
 
It's not really about whether Babar is to blame for the CT debacle or any particular defeat, it's more about the general trend in the last 3 years or so. Till 2022, Babar was well on his way to becoming one of the modern day greats. His decline since then has been stunning to say the least. The centuries have dried up, the match-winning knocks have dried up, he regularly struggles in challenging conditions and against good bowlers. He just seems like an average batsman now. And the most troubling question that people have started asking now is what if this is his ceiling?

I mean how long exactly is a lean run supposed to last before you start asking that question? I feel like everyone has been very patient but eventually even patience begins to run dry. Any Pak fan who saw Babar between 2016-22 surely cannot be satisfied with these kinds of performances. I can't even remember the last time he scored a century in any format.
Nepal was the last time. It's now been more then 2 years
 
Even sachin, Kohli didn't score in their first overseas series. What kind of logic is this?

All other teams give new comer bigger ropes and are patient with them while they hold seniors who have played long accountable.

Meanwhile subcontinent fans will mollycuddle seniors and make excuses but will expect new comers playing first time in alien conditions to win matches at over 9-10 an over required rate against good bowlers in their own conditions.

Baffling mentality, they deserve all the humiliation of losses with this kind of thinking.
Sachin scored everywhere on his first tour, so not the right example. He scored runs in Pakistan, England, NZ, SA and Australia all before he was even 20. He did well on his second tours to those countries as well. Sachin was top run getter for India in tri-series in Australia as well when we was barely 18.
 
The problem with Babar's innings in the ODI was not that he scored 78 of 83. On paper it looks a good innings but it is not. For people comparing Mitchell's innings with Babar, the difference is that the former had Chapman who ended up with a SR of 119 and Abbas who came in and scored at a SR of 200. Even though both Mitchell and Babar scored at the same pace, the latter did not have anyone who was taking the game to the opposition until Salman came to bat. Pakistan needed Babar and Rizwan to keep the RR at 6 or more during their partnership. I am saying this considering the pitch was much easier to bat in the second innings and Pakistan had gotten off to a great start. Once you allow the RR to go above 9-9.5, it is difficult for the inexperienced batting line up to score those runs, no matter how many wickets you have in the shed.

All the batters who came after Babar's wicket had no international experience to chase 9 runs an over in about 11 overs.
 
Someone more qualified than me should do an analysis of Babar's technique post and prior change. Even Yousuf mentioned that he has technical issues. Babar changed his technique probably to improve his range. Unfortunately, he lost his fluency and it didn't help him to improve his sr either. It effected his test batting as well.

He should retire from T20Is and go back to his old stance of 2019 to regain his mojo. Back then he used to dominate Boult, Steyn, Starc etc. Now he has become a bunny of ordinary bowlers like Bracewell.
 
Criticism on Babar is absolutely fair given that he has been playing for Pakistan for a decade and still can't singlehandedly win a game on his own wheras his social media handlers keep feeding King Babar nonsense when he was very little match winning performances to show for it.
 
Someone more qualified than me should do an analysis of Babar's technique post and prior change. Even Yousuf mentioned that he has technical issues. Babar changed his technique probably to improve his range. Unfortunately, he lost his fluency and it didn't help him to improve his sr either. It effected his test batting as well.

He should retire from T20Is and go back to his old stance of 2019 to regain his mojo. Back then he used to dominate Boult, Steyn, Starc etc. Now he has become a bunny of ordinary bowlers like Bracewell.
He changed his stance and technique in 2017, not 2019. He's had the exact same stance since 2017.

It was his 2016 stance which was more unar akmal esc.
 
Sachin scored everywhere on his first tour, so not the right example. He scored runs in Pakistan, England, NZ, SA and Australia all before he was even 20. He did well on his second tours to those countries as well. Sachin was top run getter for India in tri-series in Australia as well when we was barely 18.
Was talking about ODIs. He got his first 100 after 79 matches.
 
Was talking about ODIs. He got his first 100 after 79 matches.
Difference is Sachin was doing well in test cricket.

If you're doing well in atleast one format then their won't be any heat on you. Steve smith usually doesn't get much heat in odi or t20 cricket due to his test status.

Problem with Babar is that he's been flopping in every single format for the past 2 years.

Not to mention that he was just never good in test or t20 cricket. Only in odi and odi is a dying format lol.
 
For the 3rd time, Babar or Khawaja in red and white ball cricket?
If Babar and Khawaja ever get picked in the same squad and a choice was to be made between the two, then I will answer you.

Till then the question is rather irrelevant.
 
If Babar and Khawaja ever get picked in the same squad and a choice was to be made between the two, then I will answer you.

Till then the question is rather irrelevant.
That's like if I ask a question between who's better Ricky Ponting or Imam ul Haq and you respond with, idk cause they both never played for the same team 🤣🤣🤣.
 
If Babar and Khawaja ever get picked in the same squad and a choice was to be made between the two, then I will answer you.

Till then the question is rather irrelevant.

It just sounds likes to me that you either want to live in denial or you do not want to admit Khawaja is superior to Babar.

I asked you a reasonable question and you couldn’t even answer it because you can’t take off your Babar tinted specs off for once.
 
You are one smarty cat.🐈
what really impresses me about him is how he deals with numbers and stats. He recently mentioned that Aus had won 2 WTC and 2 T20 WCs and even cricinfo didn't have the record for this. For such a young bloke he puts us all to shame with his knowledge.
 
It just sounds likes to me that you either want to live in denial or you do not want to admit Khawaja is superior to Babar.

I asked you a reasonable question and you couldn’t even answer it because you can’t take off your Babar tinted specs off for once.
Khwaja is an absolute joke compared to Babar. You can compare Khwaja to Rizwan if you want as batter but he's nowhere close to Babar.
 
what really impresses me about him is how he deals with numbers and stats. He recently mentioned that Aus had won 2 WTC and 2 T20 WCs and even cricinfo didn't have the record for this. For such a young bloke he puts us all to shame with his knowledge.
2 wtc and 2t20 was an honest mistake since I confused NZ winning the first wtc for Australia and forgot that Australia did not win 2010 t20 wc.

It's an honest mistake and such things happen and I am willing to admit to this mistake.

The difference between you and @gazza619 is that I am not going to rat and deliberately lie if @topspin asks me a question as to who's superior between the 2.

I'd answer honestly that Khawaja is superior. I'm in no mood of ratting like a B@tch
 
2 wtc and 2t20 was an honest mistake since I confused NZ winning the first wtc for Australia and forgot that Australia did not win 2010 t20 wc.

It's an honest mistake and such things happen and I am willing to admit to this mistake.

The difference between you and @gazza619 is that I am not going to rat and deliberately lie if @topspin asks me a question as to who's superior between the 2.

I'd answer honestly that Khawaja is superior. I'm in no mood of ratting like a B@tch
Another quality of yours that I admire,always willing to admit your mistake (which is so so rare). It is of course possible to confuse such things, only this morning I woke up and thought Travis Head had 20 away test centuries, I mixed him up with Steven Smith.

Thanks for telling me bro, I was about to write to ICC and ask them to examine their records given how good you are with stats and facts. I trust you more than ICC bro.
 
Khwaja is an absolute joke compared to Babar. You can compare Khwaja to Rizwan if you want as batter but he's nowhere close to Babar.
Tests

Khawaja 80 tests, 45 avg, 16 centuries, 48 avg at home, 31 avg in England, 47 in India, 42 in NZ, 165 in Pakistan 🤡, 24 in SA, 49 in sri lanka, 79 in UAE

7 Away Test centuries

Babar Azam 59 tests, 42 Avg, 9 centuries, 25 Avg in Aus 🤡, 49 in Bangladesh, 65 in England, 47 in NZ, 52 in Pakistan, 41 in SA, 49 in sri lanka, 40 on UAE, 36 in WI

1 Away Test century

Mashallah What a test cricketer Babar Azam is, avg 70 in an era where usman Khawaja avg 165 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
 
Another quality of yours that I admire,always willing to admit your mistake (which is so so rare). It is of course possible to confuse such things, only this morning I woke up and thought Travis Head had 20 away test centuries, I mixed him up with Steven Smith.

Thanks for telling me bro, I was about to write to ICC and ask them to examine their records given how good you are with stats and facts. I trust you more than ICC bro.
One quality of yours i Admire is that you exist to be my B@tch for life. I trust you will keep coming back for more.
 
Tests

Khawaja 80 tests, 45 avg, 16 centuries, 48 avg at home, 31 avg in England, 47 in India, 42 in NZ, 165 in Pakistan 🤡, 24 in SA, 49 in sri lanka, 79 in UAE

7 Away Test centuries

Babar Azam 59 tests, 42 Avg, 9 centuries, 25 Avg in Aus 🤡, 49 in Bangladesh, 65 in England, 47 in NZ, 52 in Pakistan, 41 in SA, 49 in sri lanka, 40 on UAE, 36 in WI

1 Away Test century

Mashallah What a test cricketer Babar Azam is, avg 70 in an era where usman Khawaja avg 165 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
As per your own stats (which might be wrong BTW as you usually make up stuff as you go along and Babar has 2 away test centuries and not 1 as you falsely claim here..)...Babar has a better average in Eng, NZ, SA and hasn't played in India. LOL.

Babar > Khwaja > Head in tests
 
ok that is your claim then. Can you prove it
Why does @topspin have to prove Khawaja is > Babar when it's brutally obvious?

One player has a 45 avg in test cricket with 16 centuries, 7 of them being away centuries. To top it off he avg 165 in the ramiz raja phatta era where Babar was avg 70.

The other player despite playing most of his games in test during that rubbish era still somehow managed to end up with a 42 avg and only 1 away century?

Babar's avg in test cricket will keep on decreasing and assuming he plays all 13 tests that Pakistan will play in the next wtc cycle, his avg will fall below 40.

You can forget about any centuries from him as well. No one is scoring any century in those doctored pak pitches and the test series against England will be comical for Bobby.
 
@gazza619 brother Momin is making up stats as usual. Best to let this go.
Why does @topspin have to prove Khawaja is > Babar when it's brutally obvious?

One player has a 45 avg in test cricket with 16 centuries, 7 of them being away centuries. To top it off he avg 165 in the ramiz raja phatta era where Babar was avg 70.

The other player despite playing most of his games in test during that rubbish era still somehow managed to end up with a 42 avg and only 1 away century?

Babar's avg in test cricket will keep on decreasing and assuming he plays all 13 tests that Pakistan will play in the next wtc cycle, his avg will fall below 40.

You can forget about any centuries from him as well. No one is scoring any century in those doctored pak pitches and the test series against England will be comical for Bobby.
 
As per your own stats (which might be wrong BTW as you usually make up stuff as you go along and Babar has 2 away test centuries and not 1 as you falsely claim here..)...Babar has a better average in Eng, NZ, SA and hasn't played in India. LOL.

Babar > Khwaja > Head in tests
His century in UAE does not count as an away century, in 2018 Pakistan has considered uae its home and it was widely acknowledged as their home den. It's one away century but fine, take your win 🤣🤣.

Babar having a better avg in eng, NZ and SA means nothing when he's played significantly less no of test games then khawaja has in these regions.

Anyone who follows babar's career trajectory knows that he's even worse then kohli in test cricket atm. His avg has decreased from 48 to 42 and it will keep decreasing further.

The upcoming test series vs england will further decrease this avg.

Their is no debate, at the end of their test careers babar will be a bavuma level test batter. End of discussion.

As for Travis Head, he isn't a test batter but even he still has managed a wtc win and the exact same stats in test cricket as Bobby.

So even he's slightly ahead of Babar in test cricket atm.

Babar is > Bavuma atm, kudos 👏🏻. Wait until he eventually falls to bavuma level 🤣
 
His century in UAE does not count as an away century, in 2018 Pakistan has considered uae its home and it was widely acknowledged as their home den. It's one away century but fine, take your win 🤣🤣.

Babar having a better avg in eng, NZ and SA means nothing when he's played significantly less no of test games then khawaja has in these regions.

Anyone who follows babar's career trajectory knows that he's even worse then kohli in test cricket atm. His avg has decreased from 48 to 42 and it will keep decreasing further.

The upcoming test series vs england will further decrease this avg.

Their is no debate, at the end of their test careers babar will be a bavuma level test batter. End of discussion.

As for Travis Head, he isn't a test batter but even he still has managed a wtc win and the exact same stats in test cricket as Bobby.

So even he's slightly ahead of Babar in test cricket atm.

Babar is > Bavuma atm, kudos 👏🏻. Wait until he eventually falls to bavuma level 🤣
Century in UAE? Whatever are you talking about? He has tons in SL and Aus. Stop making up stuff man!
 
Century in UAE? Whatever are you talking about? He has tons in SL and Aus. Stop making up stuff man!
Fair enough, I checked howstat to confirm.

So he has overall 3 away centuries in UAE is counted?

How does that prove he's > Khawaja as a test batsmen? 🤣. As I said, babar will eventually fall to bavuma level.

Their is no career resurgence for Bobby like Steve Smith was able to achieve. That 10th test century for babar is a foregone conclusion. It'll never happen.
 
Fair enough, I checked howstat to confirm.

So he has overall 3 away centuries in UAE is counted?

How does that prove he's > Khawaja as a test batsmen? 🤣. As I said, babar will eventually fall to bavuma level.

Their is no career resurgence for Bobby like Steve Smith was able to achieve. That 10th test century for babar is a foregone conclusion. It'll never happen.
I don't much care about your predictions or stats (you used to dislike Saim lol) but just stop making up numbers and stuff. It happens too often and devalues your arguments.
 
Agree with most posters here Babar ahould do more ... he should go back to opening and line himself up with 10 'gadhays' ...oh hang on ...
 
I don't much care about your predictions or stats (you used to dislike Saim lol) but just stop making up numbers and stuff. It happens too often and devalues your arguments.
I use to dislike saim cause he wasn't performing end of story and didn't perform fir upto 25 games before his breakthrough

I dislike babar cause he isn't performing for 2+ years now

and I dislike kohli and rohit in test cricket for the same reason but don't mind them in odi, infact i defend them in odi lol.

This is sports, if someone is performing they deserve praise and if someone isn't they deserve nothing.

I'm not saying you hate a player every single game, but if a player has gone years without performing then yes they deserve criticism.

Lastly while I like saim, he hasn't cracked the code of test cricket yet but theirs higher chances of him doing so then their are babar regaining form.
 
Was talking about ODIs. He got his first 100 after 79 matches.
Even in ODIs he was a great batter. He was India's top scorer in 1992 WC. He scored loads of 50 including that incredible 82 of 49 balls as an opener in NZ. He just did not score a hundred. Also in early 90's hundreds in ODIs weren't that common at least for an Indian batter. Siddhu's 4 Hundreds were the highest for the team. Also Sachin used to bat at number 5 at the start of his career, very hard to score 100's in that position. Once he started to open, hundreds started to flow. He broke the record for most hundreds in 3 years after his first hundred which was 17.
 
He changed his stance and technique in 2017, not 2019. He's had the exact same stance since 2017.

It was his 2016 stance which was more unar akmal esc.
He had a more conventional stance. His legs used to crouch a little more (legs further apart) and as a result played the ball close to body. Just watch his innings vs NZ in 2019.

Now he stands more upright, squares up (just a little) and as a result his head falls a little on offside. This is why he gets out so many times lobbing the ball on leg side these days.
 
I don't know how many ODIs you have followed but there has always been a difference in approach in batting first vs chasing.

While chasing most successful chases in history have always come when you hit from beginning and keep required run rate in check. Keeping wicket in hand and then hitting later doesn't work in chases.

You cannot compare approach while setting target with chasing.


Chasing is a team effort and in high chases the lower middle order has to usually contribute. Hitting from the beginning is a fundamental but if an opener doesn't go on to make a big score it requires efforts from #6 to 11.

For example India's highest chase in ODIs is against Australia where they chased 360 with only 1 wicket. Rohit sharma made a century, Dhawan got close to it and Kohli made his fastest century in the format. At the beginning though, Rohit's strike rate was in the 60's. He made up for it as he spent time on the crease and wickets didn't fall.

Compare that to India's second highest chase of 351 vs England, it required a special effort from the #6 batter (Kedhar Jhadev) and contributions from Pandya at 7 to chase it down.

These two positions are Pakistan's weak link at the moment.
 
Sure but before I do, am I right to assume you are not in agreement since you are asking me to prove it?
Have you completed your research? Waiting to be enlightened on your theory on who is superior between Babar Azam and Khawaja. Ask AI if you are struggling.
 
It just sounds likes to me that you either want to live in denial or you do not want to admit Khawaja is superior to Babar.

I asked you a reasonable question and you couldn’t even answer it because you can’t take off your Babar tinted specs off for once.
Bro, I’d go one step further. I don’t think babar can replace any top/middle order batsman in any team barring the associates. He wouldn’t get in the Afghanistan or Bangladesh for sure, let’s not even talk about the other test playing nations.
 
Bro, I’d go one step further. I don’t think babar can replace any top/middle order batsman in any team barring the associates. He wouldn’t get in the Afghanistan or Bangladesh for sure, let’s not even talk about the other test playing nations.
I think Afghanistan will temporarily take him over Sediq Atal who still needs time. Bangladesh are a joke tbh, they are on par with Pakistan as a batting unit. It makes no difference who from BD plays for Pakistan and who from Pakistan plays for BD. You can say only Liton, Saim and Fakhar are standout batters. Everyone else is as useful as each other.
 
Have you completed your research? Waiting to be enlightened on your theory on who is superior between Babar Azam and Khawaja. Ask AI if you are struggling.

Why don't you just answer the bloody question?
 
@gazza619 bro let’s make fun of Asif Ali and Sharjeel Khan…

Yaaay. “rANa waNts AaSif AlI as CAptaIn…he heh he he he”
 
Why don’t you guys let your shagird respond? How will he learn to deal with situations in life?
What shagird? What nonsense? You can’t answer simple questions. Plus you don’t understand roles of players in the line up. The other day you wanted us to admit Babar and a better T20 player than Niazi and Samad….

Like, what do you think this is? Cricket being played on PS1?
 
What shagird? What nonsense? You can’t answer simple questions. Plus you don’t understand roles of players in the line up. The other day you wanted us to admit Babar and a better T20 player than Niazi and Samad….

Like, what do you think this is? Cricket being played on PS1?
Me and your shagird @topspin are discussing Babar vs Khawaja. Your shagird says Khawaja is superior player and I have asked him to explain how. Now back off and let him come with his thesis.
 
Me and your shagird @topspin are discussing Babar vs Khawaja. Your shagird says Khawaja is superior player and I have asked him to explain how. Now back off and let him come with his thesis.
What’s wrong with his claim? How is Babar with nothing to show in his career in any of the formats better than Khwaja who held his spot in a top ranked Australian side for many years? That’s a joke to you?
 
Me and your shagird @topspin are discussing Babar vs Khawaja. Your shagird says Khawaja is superior player and I have asked him to explain how. Now back off and let him come with his thesis.
I literally gave you all the test statistics?
 
What language do you understand? Read my posts again
Oh okay, sorry sir, I didn't know it was a public forumn and only @topspin is allowed to speak with your highness.

Is topspin allowed to use my stats which I borrowed from howstat and cricinfo? Or is he suppose to make up his own original argument from scratch so that you may stand a chance to compete against him 🫠
 
Have you completed your research? Waiting to be enlightened on your theory on who is superior between Babar Azam and Khawaja. Ask AI if you are struggling.

I do have a life outside of PP, but please do not worry, your awaited schooling is coming. Stay tuned!
 
He’s an absolute waste of time.

What are we even trying to achieve by speaking basic cricket logic with him? @topspin

Asking someone to prove any decent batter like Khawaja to be superior to Babar tells you everything you need to know about their cricketing acumen.

He hasn’t learnt his lesson after that time when he claimed “Faheem Ashraf is miles ahead of Pandya”.
 
Some posters have their whole identity based off of hating Babar. That's how the get recognition. They have to keep up the act regardless of how ridiculous it sounds criticizing the one world class batter in the the team.
 
Some posters have their whole identity based off of hating Babar. That's how the get recognition. They have to keep up the act regardless of how ridiculous it sounds criticizing the one world class batter in the the team.
So Babar is immune to criticism? Because criticising him is a means to recognition? So we cant criticise 40 off 40 against USA in a T20 because we dont want to be seen as those who are trying to make a name off of him?
 
ok that is your claim then. Can you prove it

Firstly, if you are going to ask me to "prove it", at least muster the courage to admit that you rate Babar over Khawaja.

I agree with @Rana when he says this is a time wasting exercise, since this comparison is not worthy of discussion but since your reading of the game has shown no progress from the days of "Faheem Ashraf is miles better than Pandya", I will oblige for the greater good of your cricketing education.

Khawaja is better than Babar for the following reasons:

1. Khawaja's defensive technique is better than Babar. Facing the new ball is undoubtedly the hardest job for a batsman in test cricket. Out of a total 144 innings, exactly half of those, 72, have come as an opener, where he averages over 50. Babar bats behind the openers but has a career test average of just over 40. It's only a matter of time when this slips below 40, assuming he does not get dropped from the side anytime soon.

2. Khawaja is a better player against the shorter deliveries because he has a greater range of shots in his Arsenal. Not only is he better than Babar in this regard, he's also an elite player of bounce. His hook, pull and cut shots are top draw.

3. Babar is so bad against spin, bettering him against the slower bowlers is no achievement that merits much praise. Khawaja had his issues early on his career against spin but unlike Babar, he worked on his issues and addressed those to become a very good player of spin bowling. In 18 tests, he averages over 60 in Asia with 5 x tons. Babar Azam averages under 50 despite being brought up on Asian wickets and had the fortune to not face India, who have always had world class spinners. Khawaja has a wide range shot scoring options against spin. Babar can't even play the sweep shot and his defences leaves much to be desired. In contrast, Khawaja has mastered the ability to go fully forward or fully back when defending against the spinners.

4. Babar and Khawaja have played a similar number of away tests but the latter is well ahead. The Australian opener has played 36 away tests and accomplished 6 tons with an average of 42, whereas Babar has played 3 fewer away tests and has just 2 hundreds away from home with an average of under 40.

5. In tests, Babar only converts around a quarter of his 50+ scores to hundreds, whereas Khawaja converts nearly 40% of his.

6. As rightly mentioned by @mominsaigol - Khawaja schooled Babar in Pakistan on those pitches, which prompted Simon Doull to ask "Does it come from Babar who wants to bat on a road and improve his own stats?". Even commies from overseas can see who the con artist really is, so deluded fans like yourself can get to grips with the reality. To recap on those averages, since you've taken a big interest on this debate. Babar averaged 78 and Khawaja more doubled it with 165. Needles to say, he also scored more tons and runs overall during this series.

7. Babar's power game is non-existent, so much so that he has a strike rate of under 80 against the Netherlands in ODI cricket and his strike rate during the 2022 WT20 was less than run a ball. Khawaja is unfortunate that he plays for Australia, who have legendary/ATG tier batsmen throughout their white ball batting line-up, otherwise he would walk his way into this terrible Pakistan side in both ODIs and T20Is. His two ODI hundreds against an India side, featuring Bumrah, Shami, Kuldeep Yadav and Jadeja are better than any innings Babar has produced in white ball cricket.

8. Babar has only scored 2 big hundreds (150+ scores), both scored in Karachi, which is the flattest wicket of all time. Khawaja has 6 big hundreds, with 5 outside Karachi.

9. Babar has no standout innings. In addition to the 2 match winning tons vs India in ODIs, Khawaja has:

- 232 vs Sri Lanka
- 195* vs South Africa
- 180 vs India
- 174 vs New Zealand
- 171 vs England
- 145 vs South Africa
- 4 x Ashes hundreds

10. Babar is struggling to find someone to buy him in The Hundred tells everything you need to know about his white ball appeal. He has no pull. Khawaja has produced 2 x match winning hundreds against India's first string bowling attack in white ball cricket

To summarise:
  • Khawaja is a better player of lateral movement
  • Khawaja is far superior in attack against both pace and spin
  • Khawaja has had an excellent test career, whereas Babar's test average is heading south of 40 because he looks like a finished player
  • Babar has no standout innings, whereas Khawaja has a dozen
  • Babar fans are delusional and have a terrible understanding of the game
You haven't stopped tagging me today, so I hope you will have the same energy when you respond this.
 
Firstly, if you are going to ask me to "prove it", at least muster the courage to admit that you rate Babar over Khawaja.

I agree with @Rana when he says this is a time wasting exercise, since this comparison is not worthy of discussion but since your reading of the game has shown no progress from the days of "Faheem Ashraf is miles better than Pandya", I will oblige for the greater good of your cricketing education.

Khawaja is better than Babar for the following reasons:

1. Khawaja's defensive technique is better than Babar. Facing the new ball is undoubtedly the hardest job for a batsman in test cricket. Out of a total 144 innings, exactly half of those, 72, have come as an opener, where he averages over 50. Babar bats behind the openers but has a career test average of just over 40. It's only a matter of time when this slips below 40, assuming he does not get dropped from the side anytime soon.

2. Khawaja is a better player against the shorter deliveries because he has a greater range of shots in his Arsenal. Not only is he better than Babar in this regard, he's also an elite player of bounce. His hook, pull and cut shots are top draw.

3. Babar is so bad against spin, bettering him against the slower bowlers is no achievement that merits much praise. Khawaja had his issues early on his career against spin but unlike Babar, he worked on his issues and addressed those to become a very good player of spin bowling. In 18 tests, he averages over 60 in Asia with 5 x tons. Babar Azam averages under 50 despite being brought up on Asian wickets and had the fortune to not face India, who have always had world class spinners. Khawaja has a wide range shot scoring options against spin. Babar can't even play the sweep shot and his defences leaves much to be desired. In contrast, Khawaja has mastered the ability to go fully forward or fully back when defending against the spinners.

4. Babar and Khawaja have played a similar number of away tests but the latter is well ahead. The Australian opener has played 36 away tests and accomplished 6 tons with an average of 42, whereas Babar has played 3 fewer away tests and has just 2 hundreds away from home with an average of under 40.

5. In tests, Babar only converts around a quarter of his 50+ scores to hundreds, whereas Khawaja converts nearly 40% of his.

6. As rightly mentioned by @mominsaigol - Khawaja schooled Babar in Pakistan on those pitches, which prompted Simon Doull to ask "Does it come from Babar who wants to bat on a road and improve his own stats?". Even commies from overseas can see who the con artist really is, so deluded fans like yourself can get to grips with the reality. To recap on those averages, since you've taken a big interest on this debate. Babar averaged 78 and Khawaja more doubled it with 165. Needles to say, he also scored more tons and runs overall during this series.

7. Babar's power game is non-existent, so much so that he has a strike rate of under 80 against the Netherlands in ODI cricket and his strike rate during the 2022 WT20 was less than run a ball. Khawaja is unfortunate that he plays for Australia, who have legendary/ATG tier batsmen throughout their white ball batting line-up, otherwise he would walk his way into this terrible Pakistan side in both ODIs and T20Is. His two ODI hundreds against an India side, featuring Bumrah, Shami, Kuldeep Yadav and Jadeja are better than any innings Babar has produced in white ball cricket.

8. Babar has only scored 2 big hundreds (150+ scores), both scored in Karachi, which is the flattest wicket of all time. Khawaja has 6 big hundreds, with 5 outside Karachi.

9. Babar has no standout innings. In addition to the 2 match winning tons vs India in ODIs, Khawaja has:

- 232 vs Sri Lanka
- 195* vs South Africa
- 180 vs India
- 174 vs New Zealand
- 171 vs England
- 145 vs South Africa
- 4 x Ashes hundreds

10. Babar is struggling to find someone to buy him in The Hundred tells everything you need to know about his white ball appeal. He has no pull. Khawaja has produced 2 x match winning hundreds against India's first string bowling attack in white ball cricket

To summarise:
  • Khawaja is a better player of lateral movement
  • Khawaja is far superior in attack against both pace and spin
  • Khawaja has had an excellent test career, whereas Babar's test average is heading south of 40 because he looks like a finished player
  • Babar has no standout innings, whereas Khawaja has a dozen
  • Babar fans are delusional and have a terrible understanding of the game
You haven't stopped tagging me today, so I hope you will have the same energy when you respond this.
@gazza619 hun araam eh?

You asked to be smoked. Well, you got your wish.
 
Firstly, if you are going to ask me to "prove it", at least muster the courage to admit that you rate Babar over Khawaja.

I agree with @Rana when he says this is a time wasting exercise, since this comparison is not worthy of discussion but since your reading of the game has shown no progress from the days of "Faheem Ashraf is miles better than Pandya", I will oblige for the greater good of your cricketing education.

Khawaja is better than Babar for the following reasons:

1. Khawaja's defensive technique is better than Babar. Facing the new ball is undoubtedly the hardest job for a batsman in test cricket. Out of a total 144 innings, exactly half of those, 72, have come as an opener, where he averages over 50. Babar bats behind the openers but has a career test average of just over 40. It's only a matter of time when this slips below 40, assuming he does not get dropped from the side anytime soon.

2. Khawaja is a better player against the shorter deliveries because he has a greater range of shots in his Arsenal. Not only is he better than Babar in this regard, he's also an elite player of bounce. His hook, pull and cut shots are top draw.

3. Babar is so bad against spin, bettering him against the slower bowlers is no achievement that merits much praise. Khawaja had his issues early on his career against spin but unlike Babar, he worked on his issues and addressed those to become a very good player of spin bowling. In 18 tests, he averages over 60 in Asia with 5 x tons. Babar Azam averages under 50 despite being brought up on Asian wickets and had the fortune to not face India, who have always had world class spinners. Khawaja has a wide range shot scoring options against spin. Babar can't even play the sweep shot and his defences leaves much to be desired. In contrast, Khawaja has mastered the ability to go fully forward or fully back when defending against the spinners.

4. Babar and Khawaja have played a similar number of away tests but the latter is well ahead. The Australian opener has played 36 away tests and accomplished 6 tons with an average of 42, whereas Babar has played 3 fewer away tests and has just 2 hundreds away from home with an average of under 40.

5. In tests, Babar only converts around a quarter of his 50+ scores to hundreds, whereas Khawaja converts nearly 40% of his.

6. As rightly mentioned by @mominsaigol - Khawaja schooled Babar in Pakistan on those pitches, which prompted Simon Doull to ask "Does it come from Babar who wants to bat on a road and improve his own stats?". Even commies from overseas can see who the con artist really is, so deluded fans like yourself can get to grips with the reality. To recap on those averages, since you've taken a big interest on this debate. Babar averaged 78 and Khawaja more doubled it with 165. Needles to say, he also scored more tons and runs overall during this series.

7. Babar's power game is non-existent, so much so that he has a strike rate of under 80 against the Netherlands in ODI cricket and his strike rate during the 2022 WT20 was less than run a ball. Khawaja is unfortunate that he plays for Australia, who have legendary/ATG tier batsmen throughout their white ball batting line-up, otherwise he would walk his way into this terrible Pakistan side in both ODIs and T20Is. His two ODI hundreds against an India side, featuring Bumrah, Shami, Kuldeep Yadav and Jadeja are better than any innings Babar has produced in white ball cricket.

8. Babar has only scored 2 big hundreds (150+ scores), both scored in Karachi, which is the flattest wicket of all time. Khawaja has 6 big hundreds, with 5 outside Karachi.

9. Babar has no standout innings. In addition to the 2 match winning tons vs India in ODIs, Khawaja has:

- 232 vs Sri Lanka
- 195* vs South Africa
- 180 vs India
- 174 vs New Zealand
- 171 vs England
- 145 vs South Africa
- 4 x Ashes hundreds

10. Babar is struggling to find someone to buy him in The Hundred tells everything you need to know about his white ball appeal. He has no pull. Khawaja has produced 2 x match winning hundreds against India's first string bowling attack in white ball cricket

To summarise:
  • Khawaja is a better player of lateral movement
  • Khawaja is far superior in attack against both pace and spin
  • Khawaja has had an excellent test career, whereas Babar's test average is heading south of 40 because he looks like a finished player
  • Babar has no standout innings, whereas Khawaja has a dozen
  • Babar fans are delusional and have a terrible understanding of the game
You haven't stopped tagging me today, so I hope you will have the same energy when you respond this.
Top post bro

POTW
 
It's not really about whether Babar is to blame for the CT debacle or any particular defeat, it's more about the general trend in the last 3 years or so. Till 2022, Babar was well on his way to becoming one of the modern day greats. His decline since then has been stunning to say the least. The centuries have dried up, the match-winning knocks have dried up, he regularly struggles in challenging conditions and against good bowlers. He just seems like an average batsman now. And the most troubling question that people have started asking now is what if this is his ceiling?

I mean how long exactly is a lean run supposed to last before you start asking that question? I feel like everyone has been very patient but eventually even patience begins to run dry. Any Pak fan who saw Babar between 2016-22 surely cannot be satisfied with these kinds of performances. I can't even remember the last time he scored a century in any format.
besides the one against NZ in 2019 WC what other matching winning knock has he played?
 
Firstly, if you are going to ask me to "prove it", at least muster the courage to admit that you rate Babar over Khawaja.

I agree with @Rana when he says this is a time wasting exercise, since this comparison is not worthy of discussion but since your reading of the game has shown no progress from the days of "Faheem Ashraf is miles better than Pandya", I will oblige for the greater good of your cricketing education.

Khawaja is better than Babar for the following reasons:

1. Khawaja's defensive technique is better than Babar. Facing the new ball is undoubtedly the hardest job for a batsman in test cricket. Out of a total 144 innings, exactly half of those, 72, have come as an opener, where he averages over 50. Babar bats behind the openers but has a career test average of just over 40. It's only a matter of time when this slips below 40, assuming he does not get dropped from the side anytime soon.

2. Khawaja is a better player against the shorter deliveries because he has a greater range of shots in his Arsenal. Not only is he better than Babar in this regard, he's also an elite player of bounce. His hook, pull and cut shots are top draw.

3. Babar is so bad against spin, bettering him against the slower bowlers is no achievement that merits much praise. Khawaja had his issues early on his career against spin but unlike Babar, he worked on his issues and addressed those to become a very good player of spin bowling. In 18 tests, he averages over 60 in Asia with 5 x tons. Babar Azam averages under 50 despite being brought up on Asian wickets and had the fortune to not face India, who have always had world class spinners. Khawaja has a wide range shot scoring options against spin. Babar can't even play the sweep shot and his defences leaves much to be desired. In contrast, Khawaja has mastered the ability to go fully forward or fully back when defending against the spinners.

4. Babar and Khawaja have played a similar number of away tests but the latter is well ahead. The Australian opener has played 36 away tests and accomplished 6 tons with an average of 42, whereas Babar has played 3 fewer away tests and has just 2 hundreds away from home with an average of under 40.

5. In tests, Babar only converts around a quarter of his 50+ scores to hundreds, whereas Khawaja converts nearly 40% of his.

6. As rightly mentioned by @mominsaigol - Khawaja schooled Babar in Pakistan on those pitches, which prompted Simon Doull to ask "Does it come from Babar who wants to bat on a road and improve his own stats?". Even commies from overseas can see who the con artist really is, so deluded fans like yourself can get to grips with the reality. To recap on those averages, since you've taken a big interest on this debate. Babar averaged 78 and Khawaja more doubled it with 165. Needles to say, he also scored more tons and runs overall during this series.

7. Babar's power game is non-existent, so much so that he has a strike rate of under 80 against the Netherlands in ODI cricket and his strike rate during the 2022 WT20 was less than run a ball. Khawaja is unfortunate that he plays for Australia, who have legendary/ATG tier batsmen throughout their white ball batting line-up, otherwise he would walk his way into this terrible Pakistan side in both ODIs and T20Is. His two ODI hundreds against an India side, featuring Bumrah, Shami, Kuldeep Yadav and Jadeja are better than any innings Babar has produced in white ball cricket.

8. Babar has only scored 2 big hundreds (150+ scores), both scored in Karachi, which is the flattest wicket of all time. Khawaja has 6 big hundreds, with 5 outside Karachi.

9. Babar has no standout innings. In addition to the 2 match winning tons vs India in ODIs, Khawaja has:

- 232 vs Sri Lanka
- 195* vs South Africa
- 180 vs India
- 174 vs New Zealand
- 171 vs England
- 145 vs South Africa
- 4 x Ashes hundreds

10. Babar is struggling to find someone to buy him in The Hundred tells everything you need to know about his white ball appeal. He has no pull. Khawaja has produced 2 x match winning hundreds against India's first string bowling attack in white ball cricket

To summarise:
  • Khawaja is a better player of lateral movement
  • Khawaja is far superior in attack against both pace and spin
  • Khawaja has had an excellent test career, whereas Babar's test average is heading south of 40 because he looks like a finished player
  • Babar has no standout innings, whereas Khawaja has a dozen
  • Babar fans are delusional and have a terrible understanding of the game
You haven't stopped tagging me today, so I hope you will have the same energy when you respond this.
Bro? This deserves POTW. Even though I agree with khawaja > Babar, this post is one that should convince anyone as to why Khawaja is superior.
 
Another failure for Babar azam. It's not like the other guys are scoring 100s but yeah, Babar was the most experienced guy on this tour and he should have been doing a better job but just 1 off 3 balls for him today in the 2nd ODI.
 
Babar's power game is non-existent, so much so that he has a strike rate of under 80 against the Netherlands in ODI cricket and his strike rate during the 2022 WT20 was less than run a ball. Khawaja is unfortunate that he plays for Australia.
Babar has no power game and Khawaja does. Lets talk some numbers here. Do you even know Babar has a higher strike rate than Khawaja in ODIs. I am not even going to mention batting average. Khawaja is unfortunate he plays for Australia and yet in 140+ T20s he has played across domestic, international and IPL he still strikes at about the same rate as Babar.

What an absolute pack of nonsense. I will give you benefit of the doubt as when you posted it was still April fools day.
 
Babar has only scored 2 big hundreds (150+ scores), both scored in Karachi, which is the flattest wicket of all time. Khawaja has 6 big hundreds, with 5 outside Karachi.
Big hundreds, small hundreds, teeny hundreds, weeny hundreds, karachi hundreds, sydney hundreds!!!🤣

The fact of the matter is that Khawaja has 18 hundreds in international cricket and Babar has 31!!!

Nice try though.
 
Babar is struggling to find someone to buy him in The Hundred tells everything you need to know about his white ball appeal.
And there is a long list of franchise owners queuing up outside Khawaja’s house?

Honestly I expected better from you.
 
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