[PICTURES] Virat Kohli & his team wearing army caps during 3rd ODI vs Australia - OTT or acceptable?

[MenInG]

[PICTURES] Virat Kohli & his team wearing army caps during 3rd ODI vs Australia - OTT or acceptable?

 

[MenInG]

And we had Moin Ali banned for

 

[Nikhil_cric]

And we had Moin Ali banned for

That was the ECB's fault. It's clear that ECB don't like their players wearing that. BCCI has no problem with our cricketers supporting the Army. Kohli has done nothing wrong here.

 

[as-95]

Unacceptable. Kohli is playing to the gallery for some cheap self promotion and he should be banned as Moeen Ali was... this is a test of the ICC’s resolve and if they can stand up to India!

 

[Ed_]

Indian team is paying homage to Indian army with the approval of Indian cricket board and we have people here discussing if it is correct.

 

[Sher Khan]

Stupid stuff as usual from the Indian cricketers. Keep politics and sports separate.

 

[Zaz]

ICC should take charge as the governing body and take action against individuals

Like in other sports there should be no room for political statements and affiliations in cricket

 

[HitWicket]

That was the ECB's fault. It's clear that ECB don't like their players wearing that. BCCI has no problem with our cricketers supporting the Army. Kohli has done nothing wrong here.

No it wasn't, the match referree reprimanded him for wearing clothing that related to political activities.

 

[MenInG]

 

[Ed_]

Stupid stuff as usual from the Indian cricketers. Keep politics and sports separate.

What's political about this. They aren't blaming anybody with this. They are paying homage and donating their match fees.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

No it wasn't, the match referree reprimanded him for wearing clothing that related to political activities.

I know that. But the ECB couldn't care less either way. They didn't protest that decision strongly enough. Anyway Kohli is wearing a military cap but there is no actual statement on it.

 

[Ed_]

Obviously one section have their knickers in a twist. The Indian board and players got together to donate their match fees towards National Defense Fund. They can do whatever they want to until the contract isn't breached.

 

[HitWicket]

I know that. But the ECB couldn't care less either way. They didn't protest that decision strongly enough. Anyway Kohli is wearing a military cap but there is no actual statement on it.

If the ECB "didn't like him wearing that" as you claimed previously they wouldn't have clearn him to worn it when he came to them initially for permission. The ICC started an investigation and rather than telling him to just it off to clear the issue the ECB actually backed him to carry on wearing them until the match referre finally stepped in.

 

[saeed5646]

That was the ECB's fault. It's clear that ECB don't like their players wearing that. BCCI has no problem with our cricketers supporting the Army. Kohli has done nothing wrong here.

Than we should let every body what they want to do right?i wonder why was hasan ali targeted only for his celebration at his side of border after all it was his choice

 

[Slim]

BCCI up to their usual over the top stuff.

Who cares.

 

[MenInG]

Obviously one section have their knickers in a twist. The Indian board and players got together to donate their match fees towards National Defense Fund. They can do whatever they want to until the contract isn't breached.

they can donate their knickers to the Indian Army for all we care but dont bring this on to the Cricket field.

 

[cricketjoshila]

they can donate their knickers to the Indian Army for all we care but dont bring this on to the Cricket field.

The Bcci can give their players any colour of clothing. Thats not ICC's look out. Players have worn pink clothes to support a cause.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Than we should let every body what they want to do right?i wonder why was hasan ali targeted only for his celebration at his side of border after all it was his choice

Who targeted Hasan Ali? ICC?

 

[HitWicket]

The Bcci can give their players any colour of clothing. Thats not ICC's look out. Players have worn pink clothes to support a cause.

Not if it's deemed to be supporting a political cause.

 

[MenInG]

 

[Ed_]

Not if it's deemed to be supporting a political cause.

Supporting your Army is not political. Opposing or accusing somebody is.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Not if it's deemed to be supporting a political cause.

Who deems it? Whats the political cause? Indians supporting Indian Army is not a political cause.

 

[Ed_]

People who love stuff like bringing religion in to sport and doing Sajda on the field have an issue Indian team supporting their Army.

Irony.

 

[Haroon786]

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Hopefully the ICC bans this.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Hopefully the ICC bans this.

Why?

 

[Haroon786]

Why?

Sports is not to be mixed with politics and such cap and wristband stunts have been banned in the past, if they have been banned then so should these caps. If they wanted to commemorate their army's soldiers than why didn't they do it immediately after the event wearing black armbands? Just looks like a stunt to do it rn.

 

[ravisurya]

People who love stuff like bringing religion in to sport and doing Sajda on the field have an issue Indian team supporting their Army.

Irony.

True that. I think religion and sports shouldnt be mixed.

 

[Salman]

Haha, can't wait for this world cup to start, looking forward to all the little indian shinaagains to follow.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Sports is not to be mixed with politics and such cap and wristband stunts have been banned in the past, if they have been banned then so should these caps. If they wanted to commemorate their army's soldiers than why didn't they do it immediately after the event wearing black armbands? Just looks like a stunt to do it rn.

There is nothing political about supporting one's army. Players have worn armbands to condole death of political leaders.

They are not opposing any person or organisation or country.They are supporting their own country.

 

[Ed_]

As most of the people in this thread don't want sports to be mixed with anything, I hope they request cricketers to stop doing Sajda and stop starting every sentence with Inshaallah, Mashaallah and Alhamdolillah. Why bring religion in to sports?

 

[Haroon786]

There is nothing political about supporting one's army. Players have worn armbands to condole death of political leaders.

They are not opposing any person or organisation or country.They are supporting their own country.

It is political because nationalism is a political ideology.

 

[Mamoon]

And we had Moin Ali banned for

Two key differences that we cannot ignore:

(1) Moeen was expressing his support for the people of Palestine out of his own will. Since he was the only English player to do so, it was clear that the ECB did not endorse or promote it.

Here, all the Indian players are wearing these caps. Hence, it is a BCCI decision - the Indian players were not acting out of their own accord.

(2) Moeen was supporting a religious cause. He is not Palestinian and does not have Palestinian lineage. His only connection with the people of Palestine is Islam. Here, the Indian players are supporting their country. It hardly different to the Remembrance poppy that no seems to have a problem with.

It is futile to juxtapose the two gestures. The Indian players have done nothing wrong and I don't see why we should have a problem with it.

 

[Ed_]

It is political because nationalism is a political ideology.

So is religion. Please ask for a ban on mixing religion in to cricket.

 

[Gullycricket]

Slap for those who were saying Kohli,Dhoni is neutral,mature blah blah.This guy will be all over our team with abuses in World cup clash.
Time to support our own players.Dont get fooled by fake praises.

 

[Sidilicious]

It is political because nationalism is a political ideology.

If nationalism is a political ideology which is not allowed, then why are we teams divided as nations.

 

[saeed5646]

Who targeted Hasan Ali? ICC?

majority of indian fans

 

[MP2011]

Nothing wrong with this. They are not supporting any political cause rather paying homage (and their match fee) to their martyred soldiers.

 

[Haroon786]

So is religion. Please ask for a ban on mixing religion in to cricket.

I know you referred to using sajda as a celebration, I personally am not a fan of that but are there any rules against religion being used in such instances?

 

[HitWicket]

I know you referred to using sajda as a celebration, I personally am not a fan of that but are there any rules against religion being used in such instances?

Only in clothing, clothing that is being used to display a message of religious activities can't be worn.

 

[Ed_]

I know you referred to using sajda as a celebration, I personally am not a fan of that but are there any rules against religion being used in such instances?

Are there any rules objecting to paying homage to their army without opposing or accusing anybody??

 

[MP2011]

Besides they are not acting on their own. It's a directive from BCCI unlike in Moeen Ali case.

 

[Ed_]

Besides they are not acting on their own. It's a directive from BCCI unlike in Moeen Ali case.

It is an initiative by MS Dhoni with the approval of Indian Board and Team.

 

[Haroon786]

If nationalism is a political ideology which is not allowed, then why are we teams divided as nations.

We already have a defined set of parameters, from which the sport is played. I'm not saying that nationalism per se is wrong, but it is a political ideology and currently there seem to be ICC rules against such use of caps and wristbands. If there's any further legislation approved by the ICC which makes wearing army caps appropriate to commemorate military losses than it'll be within the rules, until than I don't think it is.

 

[Mahee]

Great gesture by dhoni and team

 

[Godhelpma]

People who love stuff like bringing religion in to sport and doing Sajda on the field have an issue Indian team supporting their Army.

Irony.

First learn how to differ in opinion , not use nonsensical language .
P.s Indian cricket team can do whatever they want until ICC objects to.

 

[Haroon786]

Only in clothing, clothing that is being used to display a message of religious activities can't be worn.

I see, so for example a bracelet with the message 'Save Gaza' would be fine?

 

[Fahdi]

Unnecessary shenanigans on part of India. Not such a big deal honestly, though it would be if the match was against Pakistan. At best it warrants a reprimand for dress code violation from the ICC.

 

[Haroon786]

Are there any rules objecting to paying homage to their army without opposing or accusing anybody??

Why do you feel obliged for me to answer your questions and you to not answer mine?

 

[Haroon786]

Unnecessary shenanigans on part of India. Not such a big deal honestly, though it would be if the match was against Pakistan. At best it warrants a reprimand for dress code violation from the ICC.

Agreed and since its an ODI, hopefully it's only a one off event.

 

[HitWicket]

I see, so for example a bracelet with the message 'Save Gaza' would be fine?

Not sure, the ICC stated what Moeen was wearing political, the ECB argued it was humanitarian.

 

[Ed_]

Why do you feel obliged for me to answer your questions and you to not answer mine?

You are not obliged to answer to any of my questions. You can choose to answer or not. Who is forcing you to answer

 

[AAli98]

Leave them ind been well & truly himiliated in the last couple of weeks.

Why stop at army caps... should have supported Abhinandus moustache & bought out tea mugs aswell !!

 

[DRsohail]

No issue if BCCI allows. Thread closed.

 

[DRsohail]

Leave them ind been well & truly himiliated in the last couple of weeks.

Why stop at army caps... should have supported Abhinandus moustache & bought out tea mugs aswell !!

could not stop laughing. The rest who cares what they wear.

 

[Muhammad10]

Not surprising, as India have been bringing politics into sports for ages now and show no sign of maturing.

 

[NoBallZombie]

Leave them ind been well & truly himiliated in the last couple of weeks.

Why stop at army caps... should have supported Abhinandus moustache & bought out tea mugs aswell !!

I hope Pakistan wears the PAF caps on the India vs Pakistan world cup match. The earnings from the match should go to the 2 army personnel martyred on the LOC last week. Plus we will end up paying homage to our PAF which makes lives of intruders miserable. Suret its a non political gesture.

 

[Maliq_Mudasir]

They are paying tribute to those pilots who lost their lives in fake war provoked by fool politicians and media.

 

[saeed5646]

it has open the doors for other.

i won,t mind if our team do something similar for december 16 massacre. Many don,t like our Army .it will ruffle someone's feathers

 

[Ed_]

I hope Pakistan wears the PAF caps on the India vs Pakistan world cup match. The earnings from the match should go to the 2 army personnel martyred on the LOC last week. Plus we will end up paying homage to our PAF which makes lives of intruders miserable. Suret its a non political gesture.

Perfect. That way your national defense fund will getting handsome money and your cricketers will have the contentment of helping their army. I hope they do that.

 

[NoBallZombie]

Perfect. That way your national defense fund will getting handsome money and your cricketers will have the contentment of helping their army. I hope they do that.

But then again we don’t stoop that low. We let sport be just sport.

 

[Sherlock]

The whole side is wearing them, barring Dhoni.

 

[Ed_]

But then again we don’t stoop that low. We let sport be just sport.

Sad that you think showing solidarity to your army and contributing to their fund is stooping low.

 

[JibranAnsari]

India is sick of winning , this may help.

 

[Mamoon]

But then again we don’t stoop that low. We let sport be just sport.

Here are some facts for you - we refused tour India in 1991, 1993 and 1994 due to politicians tensions as well as a protest to the demolition of Babri Masjid in 1992. Moreover, we refused to play in the 1990/1991 Asia Cup which was hosted by India.

More recently, we blocked our players from participating in IPL 2009 because India accused us of orchestrating Mumbai attacks. However, that stunt backfired big time because India responded by permanently banning our players from IPL.

We have a knack for rewriting history, but let's not be ridiculous. Pakistan and Pakistani fans should be the last country (and the last fans) on earth to complain about India or any other country for mixing politics with sport. We were the ones who set the precedence.

 

[Mamoon]

The whole side is wearing them, barring Dhoni.

Which is quite weird consideration his affiliation with the Indian Army.

 

[Shafi]

They should carry the drink with tank, balls should be cannon colour, bats should have weapon pictures, drink break they should show what Indian Mirage 2000 did in Pakistan border, umpires should dress like Lieutenants, Put some bush around the boundary to make more war zone. Not a bad idea to get the choreograph from Hollywood movie producer.

 

[Shafi]

Which is quite weird consideration his affiliation with the Indian Army.

Mr. Dhoni is one of the gentleman in today's cricket.

 

[NoBallZombie]

Perfect. That way your national defense fund will getting handsome money and your cricketers will have the contentment of helping their army. I hope they do that.

Here are some facts for you - we refused tour India in 1991, 1993 and 1994 due to politicians tensions as well as a protest to the demolition of Babri Masjid in 1992. Moreover, we refused to play in the 1990/1991 Asia Cup which was hosted by India.

More recently, we blocked our players from participating in IPL 2009 because India accused us of orchestrating Mumbai attacks. However, that stunt backfired big time because India responded by permanently banning our players from IPL.

We have a knack for rewriting history, but let's not be ridiculous. Pakistan and Pakistani fans should be the last country (and the last fans) on earth to complain about India or any other country for mixing politics with sport. We were the ones who set the precedence.

Thanks for coming out of retirement to explain the important concept. I am sure you understand that you are actually comparing apples and oranges. Every country has a right to stop their citizens travelling to a place where their security is threatened. All the incidents you mentioned had that factor. Despite PCB and its cricketers not being mature enough, we haven’t done anything half as stupid as this.

 

[the Great Khan]

I hope the Pakistan cricket team wears arm bands saying save Kashmir and caps with the PAF logos on it. We should also bring back our old slogans in the crowd..enough of this jeet lo dil bakwaas. Clear militaristic fascist jingoism going on here. Just shows how right wing fascism has seeped into every pore of India. Similar to other right wing societies in the past!!

Whats ironic is Indians go around talking about how Pakistanis are militaristic and under the thumb of their army etc..ab yay dekho..whats next RSS armbands and special hand gestures before the match..?? we should not shake their hands on the day and keep our nicey nice gestures for other teams..Time to go back to the "cricket jihad" days of sharjah...and our slogans like Pakistan ka matlab kya and our naaray takbirs!! and Naaray haideris!!

 

[Ed_]

Mr. Dhoni is one of the gentleman in today's cricket.

The whole initiative is taken up by Dhoni and he is the one who presented the caps to all the players before the match.

 

[Baigel]

Why isn't Dhoni wearing it?

 

[Ed_]

I hope the Pakistan cricket team wears arm bands saying save Kashmir and caps with the PAF logos on it. We should also bring back our old slogans in the crowd..enough of this jeet lo dil bakwaas. Clear militaristic fascist jingoism going on here. Just shows how right wing fascism has seeped into every pore of India. Similar to other right wing societies in the past!!

Whats ironic is Indians go around talking about how Pakistanis are militaristic and under the thumb of their army etc..ab yay dekho..whats next RSS armbands and special hand gestures before the match..?? we should not shake their hands on the day and keep our nicey nice gestures for other teams..Time to go back to the "cricket jihad" days of sharjah...and our slogans like Pakistan ka matlab kya and our naaray takbirs!! and Naaray haideris!!

Errr...How is supporting one's army so offensive to you. You need to drink a glass of water before you pass out with aggression.

 

[a_tahir]

Ott.

 

[Canford Cliffs]

BCCI up to their usual over the top stuff.

Who cares.

OP does.

 

[Mamoon]

Thanks for coming out of retirement to explain the important concept. I am sure you understand that you are actually comparing apples and oranges. Every country has a right to stop their citizens travelling to a place where their security is threatened. All the incidents you mentioned had that factor. Despite PCB and its cricketers not being mature enough, we haven’t done anything half as stupid as this.

Don't attempt to justify Pakistan's decision based on a technicality. On all those occasions, the Indian govt. assured us that strict security measures will be taken to protect our players. In fact, up until 2009, the general consensus was that terrorists will not attack sportsmen. However, what happened to the Sri Lankans in Lahore changed that perception forever.

If Pakistan did not intend to mix politics with sports, they should have toured India out of goodwill. The same fans who justify Pakistan's decision to not trust India's security in the 90's are the ones who now complain that other countries are not taking our word that we will provide them with foolproof security, even though we allowed the Sri Lankan attack to happen.

In the 90's, PCB had more influence and we were able to throw our weight around in 93 and 94 as world champions. Now, PCB has very little influence so we should not complain when BCCI and other boards/countries are giving us a taste of our own medicine.

By (1) accusing others of mixing politics with sport and (2) complaining that others are not trusting our security measures, we are simply showing our hypocrisy.

 

[Mamoon]

Mr. Dhoni is one of the gentleman in today's cricket.

Supporting your troops does not make you any less of a gentleman.

 

[Sherlock]

Scratch that, Dhoni is wearing one now.

Btw, isn't this a political stance? If it is then surely they'll get fined?

 

[Sherlock]

Which is quite weird consideration his affiliation with the Indian Army.

He's wearing it now.

 

[NoBallZombie]

Don't attempt to justify Pakistan's decision based on a technicality. On all those occasions, the Indian govt. assured us that strict security measures will be taken to protect our players. In fact, up until 2009, the general consensus was that terrorists will not attack sportsmen. However, what happened to the Sri Lankans in Lahore changed that perception forever.

If Pakistan did not intend to mix politics with sports, they should have toured India out of goodwill. The same fans who justify Pakistan's decision to not trust India's security in the 90's are the ones who now complain that other countries are not taking our word that we will provide them with foolproof security, even though we allowed the Sri Lankan attack to happen.

In the 90's, PCB had more influence and we were able to throw our weight around in 93 and 94 as world champions. Now, PCB has very little influence so we should not complain when BCCI and other boards/countries are giving us a taste of our own medicine.

By (1) accusing others of mixing politics with sport and (2) complaining that others are not trusting our security measures, we are simply showing our hypocrisy.

Ok hang on there before you diverge from the topic. We did tour India out of sheer goodwill in 99 only to have them not reciprocate that goodwill and snub us. One can safely assume had we shown goodwill earlier, the same would have happened.

Security is everyones right, and it doesn’t matter if someone complains about it. The teams are rightfully not sent unless comprehensive security plans are drawn up and shared.

Now coming back to on the field display of politics, as i said, that has not happened with Pakistan before. We have had our issues but we still take sport as it should be taken or atleast we have matured quicker than others.

 

[asadee]

Two key differences that we cannot ignore:

(1) Moeen was expressing his support for the people of Palestine out of his own will. Since he was the only English player to do so, it was clear that the ECB did not endorse or promote it.

Here, all the Indian players are wearing these caps. Hence, it is a BCCI decision - the Indian players were not acting out of their own accord.

(2) Moeen was supporting a religious cause. He is not Palestinian and does not have Palestinian lineage. His only connection with the people of Palestine is Islam. Here, the Indian players are supporting their country. It hardly different to the Remembrance poppy that no seems to have a problem with.

It is futile to juxtapose the two gestures. The Indian players have done nothing wrong and I don't see why we should have a problem with it.

Lol Palestine is not a religious cause. Shows your lack of knowledge on the subject. Stick to getting sadistic pleasure each time Pakistan loses